Is Gelatin allowed?

samiha

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Staff member
:salam2:

Ok, see what happened is that a few years ago my family found out that gelatin was from animals, predominatly cows and pigs i think. So after that we quit eating it. Sometimes it's so annoying, (especially when it comes to marshmallows lol. ) since you have to check everything.

Then someone, said that when gelatin came to it's last form there was no more animal subtance left in it our something.

So my question, if anyone knows, is that are we allowed to then eat things with gelatin?

What if it is in medicine or vitamins??

I am just curious...

:hijabi: :hijabi:

:wasalam:
 

marildu

Junior Member
Assalamu Alaikum,

Sister, like 95% of gelatin is haram. Occasionally in pills it can be made from fish etc. It doesn't matter if it is "cooked out" or not. Vanilla extract is technically cooked out but made with a huge alcohol content. It doesn't matter whether it was cooked out or not it was still there. And as with alcohol there is always a trace amount there.

As for vitamins I go to an all natural food store and you can buy vegan/kosher/all vegetable vitamins. Costs a little more, but it's halal. As for medication I'm not sure.

And yes it is annoying to check everything. I'm pretty obsessive about it though. One reason why I can't wait to move to a Muslim country.
 

marildu

Junior Member
Assalamu Alaikum,

I'm not sure where you live but in the U.S. some top ingredients to watch out for or look into are:

mono- and diglycerides
enzymes
whey
glycerol
lactose
any ingredient with the word "stearate" in it
gelatin
sodium casinate
rennet
any milk proteins
vanilla
obviously any meats

That's all I can think of off the top of my head. For things like
mono- and diglycerides, whey, lactose, milk proteins, rennet etc. you need to check with the company. Typically these things are processed with animal products but are a good amount that don't.
 

AishaR

Junior Member
:salam2:

Thanx for that brother.

Has for tablets, if there isnt an alternative form of the medicine & you have to take the tablets then there isnt anything you can do but take them, especially if it is harmful for you not to take them.

I always ask my GP for tablets rather than capsules.

:wasalam:
 

Mabsoot

Amir
Staff member
Assalamu Alaykum, You should be careful what you make Halal and what you make Haram,

The Sahaba used to eat the Cheese of the Magians the Persians, they did not slaughter the cow. There is evidence for that. So, there goes the myth that rennet is haram

Like i said before, there are a lot of people, who come up with lists. We must be careful of them. I used to see many walking around giving out long lists in university or emailing everyone them. They just silly people.

Things like Glycerol and other chemicals and enzymes are not haram. Just as Enumbers are not.

Although of course animal meats, animal fats and gelatine are haram.

Please bring solid proof of what is haram. Proof is from the Ulema, Not what Ahmad down the road says, or what some ignorant Sufi Maulana Peersaab says. For they always talk about things they have no idea about.

You know there were some ignorant people who said Pepsi was haram because it contained pigs blood, and there were many such foolish people who believed it blindly.

Proof is from the Ulema who utilise the Quran and the Sunnah. Please bring clear fatwa for it

Otherwise such posts stating the Halal as Haram will be deleted.

Allah knows best.

Wasalam.
 

marildu

Junior Member
Assalamu Alaikum,

I said those things are not specifically haram. You need to check with the company.

Rennet is a natural complex of enzymes produced in any mammalian stomach to digest the mother's milk. Rennet contains a proteolytic enzyme (protease) that coagulates the milk, causing it to separate into solids (curds) and liquid (whey). The active enzyme in rennet is called rennin or chymosin (EC 3.4.23.4) but there are also other important enzymes in it, e. g., pepsin or lipase. There are non-animal sources for rennet substitutes.

Now really it depends on if they killed the cow or not. I'm not exactly sure how you get it. But sometimes as with cheese whey is obtained by using rennet. Same thing with enzymes. I am not sure how these things are obtained. I haven't found that many companies know their suppliers THAT well.
 

marildu

Junior Member
Assalamu Alaikum,

I've found some more information on rennet.

http://www.gmwa.org.uk/foodguide2/index.php?page=viewquestion&id=20

Mufti Taqi’ Uthmaani, mentions that the ruling of Hadhraat Saahibayn is more cautious whilst that of Imaam Abu Hanifah is extensive or accommodating. If a pious person refrains it is better, whilst if a person is consuming cheese do not stop him. However, the rennet derived from the stomach of a pig is Haraam and Impure, provided its original property and chemical makeup does not undergo any drastic change.

Vegetarian or synthetic rennet, if nothing impure has been added to it will be Halaal. The cheese sold in supermarkets and shops, if it is vegetarian or derived from animals slaughtered Islamically is permissible to consume. On the other hand if it is pig rennet used in the cheese, without transformation then this is not permissible. Lastly, the rennet in cheese from animals other than pig is permissible, but abstention is desirable.

It's a little long to paste. So I suppose that it is obtained after they are dead but technically isn't considered an animal part. But there's debate as to whether it has absorbed other moisture from the stomach. Personally I think it's just easier to avoid it. I'd rather not give my money to people that kill the animals in a haram way personally.
 

samiha

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Staff member
Assalamu alaykum.

lol. don't worry everyone, we didn't just take someones idea and start eating gelatin, we still don't eat it. Better safe then sorry. :D :D

As for vitamins I go to an all natural food store and you can buy vegan/kosher/all vegetable vitamins. Costs a little more, but it's halal. As for medication I'm not sure.

Yeck, i soo dislike vitamins. Mommy makes me eat them sometimes. Yea, i have the all natural ones, it's not the cost that matters.... they STINK!!! (as in they actually smell bad... ever smelled dog food? that's what they smell like)

And then when u swallow them, it's like you can taste the flavor on the way down. I probably shouldn't be complaining, but they are sooo gross. lol. I must sound so whiny right now.

Jazakallahu Khayr everyone!!

Wassalam.
 

NewMuslim

Slave of Allah
:salam2:

Now I'm confused. Is milk haram? They don't slaughter cows for milk, and some farms don't even add growth hormones.

I don't think I want the answer, cereal tastes so good!
 

samiha

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Staff member
Wa alaykum assalam.

Milk is allowed. There is no reason it should not be, the cow is alive when you get the milk (or so I assume, i don't think... is it possible to get milk from a dead cow?) so there is no form of impurity entering or anything.

lol. not only would your cereal go, so would my CHOCOLATE!!! lol. ;)
 

wayofthesalaf

New Member
Gelatin is Halaal! Please Read

As-Salaamu Alaykum wa Rahmatullah everyone,

My dear brothers and sisters, I see there is a lot of confusion has arisen around the subject of what is considered Halaal and what is considered Haraam when it comes to food and have taken the time to shed some light on the subject.

Unfortunately many Muslims commit dhulm (oppression) against themselves by labeling certain foods ‘haraam’ while they are actually halaal and perfectly permissible to eat.

The fact of the matter is: Gelatin is Halaal.

You may be asking "how could he say this when gelatin has come from a pig?"

Please take the time to read the following article which has been based on a lesson given by Shaykh Muhammad Bazmool, and a fatwa given by Shaykh Al-Albaanee. InshaAllah this will clear up any misconceptions on the issue. The proof is given below.

Gelatin: Halaal or Haraam?
http://calltoislam.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=299&Itemid=42

Istihala is when something becomes pure. It was najis (impure) but it is now taahir (pure). A good example would be maitah (animal carcass): it is najis, but should it be burned and become ashes, or decompose and become earth, then it is taahir, it is no longer najis. This can happen with dung or faeces or whatever. Whenever something changes from one property to another, then the ruling likewise changes.

Example: Let us say that someone uses the fat of a dead animal to make soap. That fat is najis, but the chemical change that it was put through makes it taahir.

Ibn Hazm put it concisely when he said,

"Ruling upon an object is upon what it is named (what it is), if the name (what it is) changes then so does the ruling."

He also mentioned in his book of fiqh, Al-Muhalla: "If the quality of the substance of naturally impure objects changes the name which was given to it so that it is no more applicable to it and it is given a new name which is given to a pure object, so it is no more an impure thing. It becomes a new object, with a new rule."

Meaning that if the natural composition of a substance changes to another substance of a different composition, so much so that you can no longer call the new substance by the name of what it was -- ruling upon that substance changes too.

Proof/Example 1:
The companions (Radiya ‘Llahu 'anhum) used to eat a cheese that came from the land of the disbelievers. In that cheese was a part of the calf which was slaughtered by the disbelievers in a way that is not in accordance with Islaam. The companions knew this, but they also knew that the prohibition was upon the calf, what is directly from the calf, and what could be properly called part of the calf; the ruling is not upon that which you cannot identify as part of the calf nor is it called any longer such-and-such part of the calf. This is called istihala.

Proof/Example 2:
Another proof from the Sunnah: The Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) forbade making vinegar out of wine, but he said that if you should come across vinegar that has been made from wine then it is halaal.

Why?

The ruling is upon what the object is, and not what it was. Wine is haraam; vinegar is not, and before the wine became an intoxicant, it was halaal. Why? Because it was fruit before that.

Proof/Example 3:
Allaah says in the Qur'an:

"And surely there is a lesson for you in the cattle we give you to drink of what is in their bellies from between the faeces and blood, pure milk, wholesome to those who drink it." (16:66)​

Allaah is putting forth an example for us of how something pure can come from
something impure.

And we can also use as proof something that we've already gone over. The Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said that when the hide of maitah (the carrion) is tanned, then it is taahir. He (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) gave us a method to purify something which was first impure.

Let us examine things we are familiar with: mono and diglycerides, whey, gluten, emulsifiers, gelatin, and whatever else is on the international haraam list. These by-products sometimes come from animals, pigs even, in which case the ruling on the initial substances is that they are haraam. But the initial substances (e.g. fat, marrow, cartilage, etc.) are put through chemical change so that you no longer can even call it "pig fat" or "animal bone" or "skin" or "cartilage", etc. because it is no longer that, hence it is taahir, it is halaal.

What is gelatin? The Oxford dictionary of science defines it as: "A colorless or pale yellow, water-soluble protein obtained by boiling collagen with water and evaporating the solution. It melts when water is added and dissolves in hot water to form a solution that sets to a gel on cooling." (page 290)

Is this a chemical change or is this not a chemical change? Is it protein any longer? No, it is not.

You are in disbelief so you ask, "But how can it be halaal when it came from something haraam?"

Because of the proofs mentioned above, the ruling is not based upon what it was, the ruling is based upon what it is. A Hanafi scholar, Ibn Abedin gave the example: "the swine which drowns in a salt lake and decomposes and becomes salt itself, is now halaal."

And other Hanafi scholars go on to say: "salt is different from meat and bones. If they become salt, they are salt."

To take the salt example further: salt consists of sodium chloride (NaCl) when together they are the halaal food known as salt, when separated they make up two poisonous substances which are then haraam for consumption.

The ahnaaf (Hanafis) also use as an example the human semen, saying that it is najis, then when it inseminates the egg and becomes a blood clot it is still najis, but when it becomes flesh it is no longer najis. And the ahnaaf are not the only ones who take this position.

The examples are numerous and they extend beyond food: Yesterday a man was kaafir and going towards Hell, today he is Muslim, so what is the ruling upon him? It is based upon what he is today. We must be careful when we call things haraam because it is a form of dhulm (oppression). Scholars have said that it is worse that you make something halaal to haraam rather than making something haraam to halaal.

This deen Allaah has made yusr (easy) let us not make it 'usr (hard).

And Allaah (Subhanahu wa ta'ala) Knows Best.
 

Abdul Hasib

Student of Knowledge
A weird question

Do pigs make milk? If they do, they might put them in some cheese.
You should get foods or things like soap or detergents(cause they use animal fat in soap) that only have U or UD cause one of my tennents said she called the chips company to know what chips don't have animal fat and they said if there's at least a U, then it is animal FREE! :laughing-dancing:

Note: Not all Kosher are halal because most jews consider most of them are harram for them. Kosher comes from the term Kashrut.

You could search why on google.com
 

marildu

Junior Member
Assalamu alaykum.

lol. don't worry everyone, we didn't just take someones idea and start eating gelatin, we still don't eat it. Better safe then sorry. :D :D



Yeck, i soo dislike vitamins. Mommy makes me eat them sometimes. Yea, i have the all natural ones, it's not the cost that matters.... they STINK!!! (as in they actually smell bad... ever smelled dog food? that's what they smell like)

And then when u swallow them, it's like you can taste the flavor on the way down. I probably shouldn't be complaining, but they are sooo gross. lol. I must sound so whiny right now.



Jazakallahu Khayr everyone!!

Wassalam.

Assalamu Alaikum,
Yeah I've noticed that. All vitamins smell bad, but the vegetable based ones are horrid and the taste follows lol. I keep all of my medication in a little box and it's made a permanent stink now. lol

And yes brother not all kosher things are halal. But I've found that most vitamins that are labeled "kosher" normally have all vegetable ingredients in them anyways. Maybe it's just a labeling thing. But yeah you still need to check.

btw I'm not aware of anyone using pig's milk for anything. lol But I guess technically it would be halal? Nasty thought though.
 

khan_saddozai

New Member
salam
i'm confused about e numbers. i noe that gelatin is haram. but i also heard emulsifier 471 is haram? can sum1 chek it up? im not sure ..
salam
 

NewMuslim

Slave of Allah
Wa alaykum assalam.

Milk is allowed. There is no reason it should not be, the cow is alive when you get the milk (or so I assume, i don't think... is it possible to get milk from a dead cow?) so there is no form of impurity entering or anything.

lol. not only would your cereal go, so would my CHOCOLATE!!! lol. ;)

:wasalam:
YES! Chocolate and cereal CANNOT go! Alhamduillah!
 

Noorun Nisaa'

Junior Member
:salam2:

Ok, see what happened is that a few years ago my family found out that gelatin was from animals, predominatly cows and pigs i think. So after that we quit eating it. Sometimes it's so annoying, (especially when it comes to marshmallows lol. ) since you have to check everything.

Then someone, said that when gelatin came to it's last form there was no more animal subtance left in it our something.

So my question, if anyone knows, is that are we allowed to then eat things with gelatin?

What if it is in medicine or vitamins??

I am just curious...

:hijabi: :hijabi:

:wasalam:


Salam Aleikum sister SAMIHA,

OFF TOPIC
just curiosity, did you try mashmallow halal? its come in different flavors, and maybe a little expensive comparing to the regular one.

ON TOPIC
I heard, but not sure about gelatine in medication, that is ok to have it. I will search more, you make me curious.

:hearts: :hijabi:
 

marildu

Junior Member
Some people have claimed that not all kosher is halaal. Can anyone explain why?
Thanks.

Assalamu Alaikum,

Kosher and halal aren't quite the same things. There's similarities but a lot of differences too. I think that's basically why there's a debate on whether or not kosher is halal. You can probably find a bunch of information by googling. I know Wikipedia has a basic list of similarities and differences between the two.


As for medication I've been told that you should try to find an alternative, but if there is none you can take it. Assuming that if it's a medication you need it for your health.
 
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