Hi everybody

[faustobiason]

Hi everybody,
my name is Fausto Biason, originally from Italy.
Fausto is a latin name meaning "auspicious" or "good omen", absolutely nothing to do with the infamous Dr Faust.
I was raised as Roman Catholic but at the moment I am not really
My interest in Islam stems from the fact that my wife is Moroccan and (secular) Muslim, although she DOES pray 5 times per day and does observe Ramadan.
As you can understand, because of the position in which I am I do have a lot
of question about Islam, and I hope that I can get some balanced answers here.
Bye for now
Fausto

 

[arzafar]

:salam2:
there is no such thing as secular muslim. May Allah guide you to the truth.
Enjoy your stay here.

 

[Janaan]

Hi Fausto. Welcome to TTI- Hope you benefit from your stay.

 

[faustobiason]

:salam2:
there is no such thing as secular muslim.

, arzafar
Guess what?
Actually Morocco has been a SECULAR Muslim country for the past 12 or so centuries.
I have widely spoken to people there.
Some of them simply cannot be bothered at all with practicing, and those who do practice wish to keep their religion as a private thing, and are extremely wary of any sort of government interference in religious matters and even more wary of Saudi-style hardline clerics.
Actually there have been quite a few episodes in which clerics from Saudi Arabia have been asked to leave the country.
See you later
Fausto
PS: uh, and did you know that the father of modern secularism was a Muslim philosopher, namely Ibn Rushd?

 

[Fatima S.Ar]

Hello here !

welcome to TTI and I hope you enjoy it .
I wonder how your wife is a Moslim since you are not , bcz in Islam she should marry a Moslim one .

Anyway that's good it made you interested in Islam =)
May Allah Guide you to the right path .

 

[arzafar]

, arzafar
Guess what?
Actually Morocco has been a SECULAR Muslim country for the past 12 or so centuries.
I have widely spoken to people there.
Some of them simply cannot be bothered at all with practicing, and those who do practice wish to keep their religion as a private thing, and are extremely wary of any sort of government interference in religious matters and even more wary of Saudi-style hardline clerics.
Actually there have been quite a few episodes in which clerics from Saudi Arabia have been asked to leave the country.
See you later
Fausto
PS: uh, and did you know that the father of modern secularism was a Muslim philosopher, namely Ibn Rushd?

well bro maybe you should learn about islam then. This site will help you a lot. It certainly helped me :mashallah:

 

[faustobiason]

well bro maybe you should learn about islam then. This site will help you a lot. It certainly helped me :mashallah:

I am ALREADY learning about Islam.
I have plenty of books on Islam at home, that is not a problem.
I was simply explaining you that Morocco is an excellent example of secular Islam, and that (judging from my own direct experience) the overwhelming majority of Moroccans want to keep things that way.
Take care for now
Fausto

 

[ShyHijabi]

I am ALREADY learning about Islam.
I have plenty of books on Islam at home, that is not a problem.
I was simply explaining you that Morocco is an excellent example of secular Islam, and that (judging from my own direct experience) the overwhelming majority of Moroccans want to keep things that way.
Take care for now
Fausto

I think the confusion lies in mixing of the terms secular and Islam, it simply isn't possible when you study both words. A country/state is either secular or it is based off a religion, the two are not compatible. Turkey is a secular (non-faith based country) with the majority of the citizens being Muslim. This does not make the country Islamic anymore than the US is a secular Christian nation.

Turkey has banned the hijab and also permits alcohol, this is in direct contradiction to the Holy Qur'an. So it is not a "secular Islamic" state, it is simply secular. Full stop. The very fact that you are married to a Muslim female (via the country law but not Islamic shariah) shows that there is no "Islam" in the countries rulings. The Qur'an forbids a Muslim female to be married to a non-Muslim male and that is why some are confused here.

But it is good that you come seeking knowledge, this is a praiseworthy characteristic. Just try and set aside what you think you "know" about Islam because you may only understand something that is cultural and not part of the religion whatsoever. Many Muslims have this problem as well but they should strive to seek the true tenets of their faith and not what they've been told as fact all their lives. I highly recommend you check out the media areas of this forum, there are many informative lectures and writings.

 

[faustobiason]

I think the confusion lies in mixing of the terms secular and Islam, it simply isn't possible when you study both words. A country/state is either secular or it is based off a religion, the two are not compatible. Turkey is a secular (non-faith based country) with the majority of the citizens being Muslim. This does not make the country Islamic anymore than the US is a secular Christian nation.

Turkey has banned the hijab and also permits alcohol, this is in direct contradiction to the Holy Qur'an. So it is not a "secular Islamic" state, it is simply secular. Full stop. The very fact that you are married to a Muslim female (via the country law but not Islamic shariah) shows that there is no "Islam" in the countries rulings. The Qur'an forbids a Muslim female to be married to a non-Muslim male and that is why some are confused here.

But it is good that you come seeking knowledge, this is a praiseworthy characteristic. Just try and set aside what you think you "know" about Islam because you may only understand something that is cultural and not part of the religion whatsoever. Many Muslims have this problem as well but they should strive to seek the true tenets of their faith and not what they've been told as fact all their lives. I highly recommend you check out the media areas of this forum, there are many informative lectures and writings.

Hi ShyHijabi, you raise many interesting points.
At themoment I am extremely busy, but I will discuss them in due time in the appropriate forums, explaining why I agree or why I don't agree.
Take care for now
Fausto

 

[faustobiason]

The very fact that you are married to a Muslim female (via the country law but not Islamic shariah) shows that there is no "Islam" in the countries rulings. The Qur'an forbids a Muslim female to be married to a non-Muslim male and that is why some are confused here.

ShyHijabi
Morocco does forbid this type of marriage, so in order to go round this prohibition we had to do it at my local Registrar's Office in London.
However I had a look at the Quran, and my opinion is that men of the Book are exempt from this prohibition (of having Muslim wives).

But I will discuss this one in a separate forum.

Take care for now

Fausto

 

[Salem9022]

ShyHijabi
Morocco does forbid this type of marriage, so in order to go round this prohibition we had to do it at my local Registrar's Office in London.
However I had a look at the Quran, and my opinion is that men of the Book are exempt from this prohibition (of having Muslim wives).

But I will discuss this one in a separate forum.

Take care for now

Fausto

This type of Marriage is forbidden for a reason like you stated you had to go "around it" since its forbidden in Morroco. Islam does not recognize this type of Marriage since it is considered to be Zina(Fornication) since the marriage isn't recognized. Also I don't know how your wife could be praying 5 times a day and be "secular" and married to a Non-Muslim.

Also to your question that men of the Book are exempt. The People of the Book are only 1 type of Kuffar. There are many types of Kuffar according to Islam just because you are a Christian, Jew or Sabean it doesn't mean you are "believers":

Mushriqs, Hypocrites, Jews, Christians, Sabeans etc. all fall under the categories of Kuffar(Non-Muslims).

5.72.Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allah is the Messiah ['Îsa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary)." But the Messiah ['Îsa (Jesus)] said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners (in worship) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden Paradise to him, and the Fire will be his abode . And for the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers) there are no helpers.

5.73 Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no Ilah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilah (God -Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall on the disbelievers among them.

And...

3.19 Truly, the religion with Allah is Islam. Those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, then surely, Allah is Swift in calling to account.

3.20 So if they dispute with you (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) say: "I have submitted myself to Allah (in Islam), and (so have) those who follow me." And say to those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and to those who are illiterates (Arab pagans): "Do you (also) submit yourselves (to Allah in Islam)?" If they do, they are rightly guided; but if they turn away, your duty is only to convey the Message; and Allah is All-Seer of (His) slaves .

 

[Lya Abdul-Jabbar]

welcome:salam2:

 

[AZAM_SIDDIQUI]

DEAR bro--
i can understand your dilemma , learning about islam and seeking it in the real world.
now there are two sides to it the outer and the inner search.
when a person does inner search it leads him to seek answers. what am i doing =is it right -why am i here.
then there is a way to evaluate various options-is this right -why is this right-am i ready to accept this.
this is thge inner search.

what you are doing it seems is the inner search for raising questions and external or environmental search for answering them.

to say it short is if someone was to ask was jesus god and then do a market survey of the opinions of the people and try to derive an answer??
where would it lead to.

however he can do an inner search it wud go like -
does God need to eat-
doeas God need to eat
no.did jesus eat .yes. do i beleive in such a God.

was jesus a messenger of God.
how messengers of the Almighty must be.-external search.,
does jesus fit-
oh yes what a messenger of God pbuh

so this is the way.

i mean what can the constitution of america possibly have to do with christianity.

maybe in italy there is a link-so u r doing the same with morocco.

then again the objective is the main thing-why are u doing this search for islam-is it to seek compatibility between two different cultures,is it to better understand your wife or her country or is it for some purpose greater than a hundred years.

i say hundred because u ,your wife all countries and this world and cultures will be over for you and me within hundred years guaranteed.(want to bet)

but what ur objective is IMPORATANT TO MAKE IT WORTHWHILE.
TAKE CARE..

 

[AZAM_SIDDIQUI]

AMERICA IS A SECULAR COUNTRY So is morrocco and all else -

u would be surprisedto know secular is the antonym of religion.

so thats why someone said nothinglike secular muslim.


nowadays it has come to mean tolerance and compromise between all faith even if it means truth can be put off.

funny only truth is the suggested price for peace.
meaning it is suggested leave religion be peaceful co-existence.
funny then the two world wars were fought by secular nations.

peace is truth .inner outer .peace is Allah .peace is islam and woe to the hypocrites who say we do a little of thios and a little of that.


like we run with the hares and hunt with the hounds.like we attend lectures of jesus but occassionaly also sit with the romans to better understand them.

 

[AZAM_SIDDIQUI]

And...

3.19 Truly, the religion with Allah is Islam. Those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, then surely, Allah is Swift in calling to account.

3.20 So if they dispute with you (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) say: "I have submitted myself to Allah (in Islam), and (so have) those who follow me." And say to those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and to those who are illiterates (Arab pagans): "Do you (also) submit yourselves (to Allah in Islam)?" If they do, they are rightly guided; but if they turn away, your duty is only to convey the Message; and Allah is All-Seer of (His) slaves .

sums up best.

 

[fatima1994]

:salam2:
Welcome.....

 

[faustobiason]

OK, Salem9022. I am going to answer this in the appropriate forum, just bear with me a sec.
Fausto