Tennessee bill would jail Shariah followers

fatma_said

Junior Member
A proposed Tennessee law would make following the Islamic code known as Shariah law a felony, punishable by 15 years in jail.

State Sen. Bill Ketron, R-Murfreesboro, and state Rep. Judd Matheny, R-Tullahoma, introduced the same bill in the Senate and House last week. It calls Shariah law a danger to homeland security and gives the attorney general authority to investigate complaints and decide who's practicing it.
It exempts peaceful practice of Islam but labels any adherence to Shariah law — which includes religious practices such as feet washing and prayers — as treasonous. It claims Shariah adherents want to replace the Constitution with their religious law.

A dozen other states are considering anti-Shariah bills, and there's a federal lawsuit in Oklahoma over one.
Imam Mohamed Ahmed of the Islamic Center of Nashville on 12th Avenue South said Islam teaches its followers to obey the law of the land. Shariah law, he said, teaches moral values.

"What do you mean, really, by saying I can't abide by Shariah law?" he said. "Shariah law is telling me don't steal. Do you want me to steal and rob a bank?"

The Attorney General's Office had no comment.

It is unclear whether the bill will go before lawmakers in its current form. The measure was filed Thursday to beat the deadline to introduce bills for the current session, Matheny said. It has not been assigned to a committee.

Changes considered

Matheny, the House speaker pro tempore, said he is concerned that aspects of Shariah law might conflict with the U.S. Constitution, but he does not intend to criminalize practices such as the preparations for prayer or dietary rules. He said he would consider amending the bill before asking the legislature to consider it.

"I'm still researching it," he said. "My intent is to educate and to look at it."
Most anti-Shariah bills in other states would ban courts from citing Shariah law. Oklahoma voters approved a referendum in November that banned state courts from using Shariah law in their rulings. A federal judge blocked the Oklahoma law from being implemented, pending a federal lawsuit claiming it is unconstitutional.

The Tennessee bill goes further by proposing criminal penalties for following Shariah. Matheny said the bill was model legislation, given to him by the Tennessee Eagle Forum, a conservative advocacy group.
Bobbie Patray, state president of the Eagle Forum, confirmed that the law had been drafted by David Yerushalmi, a Chandler, Ariz.-based attorney. Yerushalmi runs the Society of Americans for National Existence, a nonprofit that says following Shariah is treasonous.
He also has close ties to Frank Gaffney, president of the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Security Policy, a key witness for the plaintiffs in a lawsuit against a mosque being built in Murfreesboro.

Backers, critics sound off

Rebecca Bynum, editor of the New English Review, a Nashville-based website that is critical of Islam, supports the bill.
"I applaud Senator Ketron for his effort to protect the citizens of Tennessee from the real and present danger presented by Shari'a and for the deep knowledge and thoughtful consideration that produced this bill," she wrote in an e-mail. "Even if this bill does not pass, it will have done our citizens a great service by provoking informed discussion of this issue."

Charles Haynes, a senior scholar with the First Amendment Center in Nashville, disagrees. He said the bill is based on a complete misunderstanding of Shariah law, which he described as a set of voluntary religious rules, similar to Catholic canon law or Jewish religious law.
The bill is wrongheaded, he said.
"It's complete nonsense," he said.
The bill also is unnecessary, Haynes said, because people of all faiths have to follow secular law.

"Civil law and the Constitution of the United States trumps religious law," he said. "The government can't label religious laws as wrong or treasonous or evil. The government may not take sides in religion. It may not say what is a good religion or a bad religion."

Selah Sbenaty, a member of the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro, said state legislators have bigger problems to worry about than Shariah law. He wishes they would spend more time trying to fix the state's economy and less time worrying about Islam.

"I believe this bill is a waste of our tax dollars, and I am sure the bill will not pass," he said. "The people of Tennessee are good, loving, hospitable, and do not tolerate bigotry."

Contributing: Chas Sisk, The Tennessean
 

MohammedMaksudul

May Allah Forgive us
:salam2:

Its nothing shocking, tell me would a proper muslim allow law of the kaafirs in a muslim land? No! Similarly a proper kaafir would not tolerate muslim laws as well.
 

fatma_said

Junior Member
:wasalam:

Actually this is different brother. Forbidding us making wudu and praying? What reasoning is behind this? how can this be treason?
 

samiha

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Staff member
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This bill is really quite pointless. Not to mention shallow and entirely contradictory:

It exempts peaceful practice of Islam but labels any adherence to Shariah law — which includes religious practices such as feet washing and prayers — as treasonous.

I'll leave out prayers, but since when was feet washing non-peaceful?!

Those who write for it or support it are either in my mind 1) largely ignorant of how the Sharee`ah works, and how it is mainly individualistic and would not effect the greater society or 2) the common corrupted politician trying to pull wool over the eyes of many Americans from the real problematic affairs of society.

It's like as long as you provide a scapegoat for problems then everyone has a common enemy; and when you make a grand display of going after said enemy, progress is made. A great big blanket to provide a false sense of security to the general public. And many people are happy. I just hope enough see through this pathetic tactic.

But then again... if a war could be started based on non-existent WMD...
 

Shak78

Junior Member
Having lived in Tenn for 6 years I can't really say I am all that surprised this has come from there. Unless you live in Memphis, Nashville, Knoxville or Chattanooga (where I lived) there is a very backwards mentality there.
 

sister herb

Official TTI Chef
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This is something I can´t understand. If I am in Tennessee and use hijab in cause of sharia law, they put me jail to next 15 years? If I help my neighbor because of sharia law they put me to jail to next 15 years? Mad law!

:SMILY288:
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

First lets get the record straight. Tennessee is beautiful and many of the people who reside there are good human beings.

This is a democratic process. The bill has not passed.

David Yerushalmi is a Zionist. Dah!!!

It will not pass. They tried this in Oklahoma.( Many super prisons in the middle of nowhere housing the Muslims from 911)

Please do not lump good people with those of dubious political agenda.

Next thing I know some of you will tell me that the mayoral campaign in Chicago was not rigged.

If the Muslim communities would become part of the healing process and not remain isolated things would be better. We do not give back to our communities. We remain strange beings who are disconnected.

Where are the Muslim outreach centers. You want peace..open up the masjids to the homeless; provide soup kitchens; having a weekend for clothing closet. Outreach is a very positive and non-threatening step in the right direction.

Take a weeks worth of zakat and donate it to a local charity. Where are the Muslim volunteers at the hospitals and prisons ( I must commend the Afro-American Muslims they are out there ).

Sometimes we need to have a good look at ourselves and often Muslims do not project a positive community based outreach stance.

Why not do good deeds..it lessens the stereotypes. Why have the single mothers beg at the social service offices. Why not help women?

Why not volunteer at political offices that favor Muslims.

Muslims need to get involved.

Muslims men are too busy worrying about the way sisters wear hijabs.
 

samiha

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Staff member
wa 'alaykum salaam wa rahmatullaah

In the same line of thinking... let's extend the grace of not 'lumping' people to Muslims as well.

There's nothing said about the involvement of Muslims in the community, so we can't really judge that (whether or not it does indeed occur). And let's not blanket all Muslim men; I have a father and brothers, and uncles all of whom are indeed Muslims, and I cannot recall them ever being over-worried simply about the way women wear hijaab.

Thus, countering stereotypes with stereotypes sort of defeats the purpose does it not? So it's probably best to refrain all together.

BarakAllaahu feek

wasalaam
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

I am confused sister..are we to be blind when we see the need in the community and do not react to help.

I take it from the Quran. I take it from the Prophet and his wives. You help those in need.

It is written in the Quran to wish for your neighbor/brother/sister that which you wish for yourself.

This is common sense. I did not think Muslims needed more direction.

Please sister what are you saying? If that is the case I can see why the communities are upset with Muslims. We are to be the best of people. We are to help and be the light for others. We are not encouraged to be locked up and keep the faith for ourselves. We are not sheep.

You do good as it is directed in your heart. You do not need a scholar to tell you to do good. I call that being adult.

I am glad you have role models for Muslim men. Maybe they can redirect Muslim men to have manners. I do not like what I am seeing in the big city. Maybe if they concentrated on helping others it would be good. And I am not joking on this one. Simple example you see an elderly woman at the masjid..yield your parking place to her...who knows that may give you blessings. This may be her last salat and you can't open a door for a 80 year old. This has happened on more than one occasion.

Besides, that has little to do with outreach. Islam is outreach. We do not need a reinterpretation of the Quran. It falls under charity. That is where it is written.

No, I will not refrain from telling the truth sister. Enjoin good and forbid evil. It is ok for us to have some constructive criticism. Like grades it makes you think.

Back to the topic...charity begets good feelings and not isolation.

We Muslims have to understand we are part of this world.
 

Shak78

Junior Member
My apologies for lumping people together in Tennessee, may Allah forgive my mistake. I met a lot of good people in Tenn, went to University there and it was beautiful for sure. In one of my classes I met a young lady who had never seen an African American before so there are communities that are shall we insulated. However to lump them all together that was wrong. The mistakes are mine and may Allah forgive me.
 

sister herb

Official TTI Chef
My apologies for lumping people together in Tennessee, may Allah forgive my mistake. I met a lot of good people in Tenn, went to University there and it was beautiful for sure. In one of my classes I met a young lady who had never seen an African American before so there are communities that are shall we insulated. However to lump them all together that was wrong. The mistakes are mine and may Allah forgive me.

:salam2:

Forgive me and others; we don´t think people in Tennesee are stupid but kind of law is.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

Sister,

I wish you could have seen the expression on the faces of many who for the first time encountered young Blasian ( Black/Asian) teenagers with a mommy in hijab. We stopped traffic in many a city. People stopped working to look at us and we just smiled back..we waved to everyone.

Do not worry about the bill..you have people like me screaming the First Amendment is not dead... it will never become a law. Instead of taking care of business such as housing and employment politicians are influenced by money.
 

fatma_said

Junior Member
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I can understand your point of view sister apaa but isnt it worrying that such similar attempts to alienate muslims are increasing and not decreasing?

And for a fact this has nothing to do will involvement in the community, many lawmakers and influential people have a real hatred for Islam and muslims. Arent these the same law makers that are fighting our fellow Muslims in afghaistan and iraq and refuse to even pass i single bill that would critizise israel in any way?

Do you think they will act kindly towards us and still manage to fight wars against our brothers and sisters in other countries? or should they form outreach programs and open more homeless shelters?

How much do we have to sacrife to please the disbelivers? im sick of hearing that muslims need to do this and the problem with islam is that?

Mark my words one day a bill like this will be passed and what will be our response then? more concessions? i think not :SMILY286:
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

No, I see the tide turning. I actually heard a man state unless everyone in the US understands and helps Muslims everyone will be mistreated. He actually stated we are all Muslims ( salaam.org)

In the US we have due process and we have to exercise our rights. There are state mandates that can be challenged on a federal level.

Also, we have to stop being defeatist. We have to break free from the mentality of us and them. There are good people everywhere and more importantly stop confusing people with the government. Point in case the puppet leaders of the Middle East do not represent the people of the middle east.

Muslims have to stop alienating themselves, at least here. We often work and take but do not give back. We present a negative image on top of the Islamophobia. Yes, there are people who lack intelligence that will never understand but, those have little power.

We have men like Ron Paul who is very influential . Yes, we have many Zionists on a national level and academic level but on the grassroots level we can make headway. It is on the grassroots level that most education needs to be facilitated.

And do not forget if it were not for those who make way in Iraq, Pakistan, etc. it would be difficult for the US to use its arm.

We need to kick the below average in intelligence congress out and reelect people with brains. America is a mess but we have hope.

The tide is turning.
 

fatma_said

Junior Member
:salam2:

Yeah the tide is turning... and it certainly isn't in our favour..

If you were to take a lesson from the past, in the west, (esp. the european countries) who in times of hardship and economic woes gave minorities a particularly hard time (i.e nazi germany). This is increasingly being reflected in our current situation as people look for scapegoats to vent their anger and frustration.
We need to face the facts and see that xenophobia and anti-Muslim sentiments are growing amongst the western populations and we certainly cant count a few right minded individuals for they are becoming increasing powerless and overrun by bigots who control the airwaves (i.e Fox news is available in 102 million households and was said to be the most trusted news channel in the country!)

Its true we need not alienate ourselves, however we cannot continue to ignore this phenomenon and pretend as if no harm will ever come to us and all things will work out well for us in the end..
 

Tabassum07

Smile for Allah
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And how will they know people are washing their feet? I mean, don't these people themselves take baths, because that consists of feet washing as well. Are they going to barge into homes and check the bathrooms to see if people are washing their feet?

It's quite silly that they're putting prayers under the banner of treasonous! Then they should arrest everyone in churches, synagogues and temples as well right? This law has too many flaws.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

I have a very difficult time understanding why people raise Nazi Germany when using an example of oppression. I urge readers to seek knowledge to gain understanding. Therefore that is a poor example.

What we need to own is we are not scapegoats. I will not take on a label and be used. We become scapegoats by choice.

I do not see Muslims as minorities. We may be in the minority in a given region, but by definition Muslims are not minorities.

We can only be subjugated to what we allow. In other words only we can define what is the crossing line. We decide and say no more.

Muslims can not engage in defeatist thinking. It is not in our nature.
 
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