To my displeasure...

ATA95

I ♥ Allah (SWT)
Assalamualaikum brothers and sisters. I hope you and your families are all in good health. I just switched on the TV to see two people discussing "Queer Muslims" on a talk show. It had this so-called Muslim talking to a woman about how "there are queer Muslims out there..." and went on explain how non-Muslims should educate themselves about queer Muslims and how Muslims should accept that there are queer Muslims. Immediately the thought came into my mind that Islam strictly forbids homosexuality and now I see a person calling them-self a Muslim coming and normalising homosexuality in Islam. What is the world coming to?
 

alf2

Islam is a way of life
Homosexuality is a transgression against the laws of Allah swt.

Does transgressing against Allah swt make us Kafirs? If so, are any of us really Muslims? None of us are perfect!
Just because a Muslim feels these unnatural feelings for the same sex does not mean we wash our hands of them and call them non-Muslims.

Correct?
 

Sakeena

Junior Member
Homosexuality is a transgression against the laws of Allah swt.

Does transgressing against Allah swt make us Kafirs? If so, are any of us really Muslims? None of us are perfect!
Just because a Muslim feels these unnatural feelings for the same sex does not mean we wash our hands of them and call them non-Muslims.

Correct?

I agree with sister Alf2. But this makes me feel sick to my stomach!! :girl3:
 

ATA95

I ♥ Allah (SWT)
Homosexuality is a transgression against the laws of Allah swt.

Does transgressing against Allah swt make us Kafirs? If so, are any of us really Muslims? None of us are perfect!
Just because a Muslim feels these unnatural feelings for the same sex does not mean we wash our hands of them and call them non-Muslims.

Correct?
I know where you are coming from sister, but that's like saying a Muslim blows himself up killing innocents then us saying 'even though he went against Islam and committed one of the worst sins they can still be called a Muslim and that doesn't make them a Kafir'.
 

alf2

Islam is a way of life
I know where you are coming from sister, but that's like saying a Muslim blows himself up killing innocents then us saying 'even though he went against Islam and committed one of the worst sins they can still be called a Muslim and that doesn't make them a Kafir'.

These 2 situations are not comparable.

A homosexual is struggling within himself or herself with these feelings usually alone. While a suicide bomber kills people.

Still, suicide bombers are also Muslim. They are just misguided. Someone washed their brain with lies and evilness of Shaytaan.

They will get their day of Judgement, as will we all. And it is only Allah swt who knows what is in someone's heart. It is Allah swt who will know who wants to change to follow the laws of Allah swt and who is just hedonistic.

Have mercy, brother. These people are not well in the head.

There is a brother on this site who used to be homosexual. I will not say his name for his privacy, but he is a pious brother and is looking for a wife. Masha allah.
 

ATA95

I ♥ Allah (SWT)
Thanks for your explanation sister. I agree with you. I've got a question in regards to this, a person in my class at school asked me if I agree with homosexuality and I wasn't sure how to respond even though I am aware that Islam is against it. How could I respond to this question?
 

ShahnazZ

Striving2BeAStranger
By responding with what you know to be true. Islam is against homosexuality.

Where's the dilemma?
 

a_stranger

Junior Member
:salah:

The problem is that both muslems and nonmuslems are under the pressure of ungodly shaytanic media that distort feelings and agitate lusts in a most unnatural inhuman way. Within the laws of Allah subhanahu wa taaala those sexual desires among male and female are meant to serve most noble purposes:

To keep humanity on earth to worship the creator.
To have love, mercy in hears if people.
To make secure families where people live in harmony and compassion.
To make a secure place for childhood......the hope of the humanity.

All that is achieved by marriage within the law of Allah by the name of Allah. Now what is happening is that purpose of life is canceled from life of people. Most people muslems or nonmuslems are searching for a temporal un moral pleasure. Muslem should gard their eyes, ears, hearts by taqwa by going to the godly law :marriage.

Our humanity is being distorted and our nobility is being distroied by this media which controlling minds and emotions and directing them .

the first thing Islam do is to free humans from being slave to other than Allah subhanahu wa taaala the one true God. If done with sincerity This is the first
step for freedom otherwise it the fall of humanity.

And Allah knows best.
:wasalam:
 

ATA95

I ♥ Allah (SWT)
By responding with what you know to be true. Islam is against homosexuality.

Where's the dilemma?
What about if they said "If your religion is about peace, equality and all of that how come it is against someone being homosexual then?" How would I answer this and give reasons why Islam is against it?
 

ShahnazZ

Striving2BeAStranger
First thing is to take a step back and think logically. Sometimes, we're made to feel accountable for our moral beliefs and those of Islam's. We become worried about appeasing the feelings of those who don't understand and making sure that our remarks are "politically correct". In doing so, we run the risk of providing inaccurate information.

Second thing, deconstruct their question bit by bit. "If your religion is about peace, equality, and all of that how come it is against someone being homosexual then?"

Okay well, let's see. Islam isn't the only religion that's against homosexuality. The other two monotheistic and Abrahamic religions are as well. And they are believed to be peaceful as well. The same question applies to them. In the case of Islam, it's against homosexuality because God created males and females for one another. It is the natural order of things. It is the way he designed humanity. There's a literal basis to the phrase, "It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve." When homosexuality comes into the picture, God's original design is being challenged and distorted. It disrupts the natural balance of things you see. Look at nature. Your basic mammals and primates don't mate with the same sex. It is God's natural design and homosexuality goes against nature. Engaging in homosexual activity also leads to harmful side effects such as an increased risk of HIV/AIDS and anything that emphasizes a harmful lifestyle in Islam is forbidden because we are not supposed to engage in behavior that is detrimental to our health and our well-being.

This logic has nothing to do with peace and equality. Man has chosen to alter the Laws of God and create an unnatural lifestyle. As Muslims, we live our lives the best way we can and leave others to their whims because we are not responsible for them. Yes, we do dawah and educate them the best way we can but in the end, we cannot force them to live a certain way. It's their decision in the end. We may not have the right to hurt them but that doesn't mean we have to agree with their choices.

People need to understand that. Everyone has their own sets of morals and beliefs. Just because the current trend is to "go gay" and be all accepting and warm towards them doesn't mean that everyone will automatically follow what's trendy. We stand by our beliefs and as long as we're not hurting anyone, we have every right to do so. Just like these people have their right to hate Muslims and Islam, we have our right to hate homosexuality. As long as no one acts on it and rights aren't being violated, I fail to see the problem.

Bottom answer: God's Law is to preserve the natural order of things. That's why we're against it. Because we don't promote challenging His Laws. Why? Because He is Our Creator and He loves us. We in turn love Him for all of His Blessings upon us and we strive to please Him by obeying His Commands. And that is by not challenging what He has created to be natural.

And we're back full circle.

For us, we have to go beyond saying something is simply HARAM and forbidden. I'm sorry but that does nothing for many people and it certainly does nothing to sway hearts and minds. Unless you're already in the fold of Islam and willing to follow the rules, it doesn't do much to tell people something's forbidden. If anything it increases their rebellion.
 

a_stranger

Junior Member
What about if they said "If your religion is about peace, equality and all of that how come it is against someone being homosexual then?" How would I answer this and give reasons why Islam is against it?

:salam2:

When you feel that someone is just arguing to argue not trying to learn or understand I think it is wise to avoid such argument. But when you feel that the other is with open mind and seeking knoweldge then try to explain the view point of Islam and how sexuality is created to serve a purpose.
 

kashif_nazeer

~~~Alhamdulillah~~~
Wa 'alaikumassalam WaRahmatullah,
To all those who support this thing,ask them what purpose does it serve?This orientation,does it play any role in human society other than promoting debauchery and following vain desires,breaking the social fabric of lives?
Other than procreation heterosexuality also serves the purpose of raising kids,within a healthy environment which has the love of a mother and a father both,which is detrimental in a child's growth.So there seems to be no clear purpose the said thing serves in human lives other than that which is destructive.How can anyone be supportive of something which is destructive?This is one of the things promoted by media and liberals,just playing with people's mind and programming them to achieve Allah alone knows what purpose.
Mind is so plastic,whenever a person sees or reads something new,it's easily moulded into that form and every day we are learning different things and different connection being formed in our brains.So these things and acceptance of such things is literally being TAUGHT via media,liberals and promotion etc.

:wasalam:
 

a_stranger

Junior Member
:salam2:

<<Mind is so plastic,whenever a person sees or reads something new,it's easily moulded into that form and every day we are learning different things and different connection being formed in our brains.So these things and acceptance of such things is literally being TAUGHT via media,liberals and promotion etc.>>

Islam which is presented by Quran and Sunna can put human mind , human desires, the whole life on a streat path and gard humanity from shaitanic temptations.
 

kashif_nazeer

~~~Alhamdulillah~~~
:salam2:

Islam which is presented by Quran and Sunna can put human mind , human desires, the whole life on a streat path and gard humanity from shaitanic temptations.

:wasalam:

I agree sister,Allah taught man that which he knew not via Qur'an,that which is in synch with his true nature and that which gives human a knowledge about themselves,it helps them in finding themselves.

[Our Sibghah (religion) is] the Sibghah (Religion) of Allah (Islam) and which Sibghah (religion) can be better than Allah's? And we are His worshippers.[2:138]

Sibghah also means dying or process of colouring,it means acquiring the way ordained and taught by Allah and indeed He who created us knows best about us and ordained the religion that is synchronous to our nature.
 

Asja

Pearl of Islaam
These 2 situations are not comparable.

A homosexual is struggling within himself or herself with these feelings usually alone. While a suicide bomber kills people.

Still, suicide bombers are also Muslim. They are just misguided. Someone washed their brain with lies and evilness of Shaytaan.

They will get their day of Judgement, as will we all. And it is only Allah swt who knows what is in someone's heart. It is Allah swt who will know who wants to change to follow the laws of Allah swt and who is just hedonistic.

Have mercy, brother. These people are not well in the head.

There is a brother on this site who used to be homosexual. I will not say his name for his privacy, but he is a pious brother and is looking for a wife. Masha allah.

Assalamu allaicum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu

Dear sister how can you say that these two things are not comparable when homosexaulity is also one of the greatest sins and also one of the most awfull things to do Astagfirullah.

Allahs Law is clear in the way how is explained in Quraan and Sunnah Alhadmulillah,and as Muslims we can not seperate great sins because everything that Allah has forbidden us is wrong and it is our duty to try to establish Shariah law and forbid evil and enjoy good Inshallah.

There is not mercy sister in commiting and tragressing limits of Allah Alhamdulillah, because that would mean that on some way we are supporting some evil dead like this dead Astagfirullah, but in diffrence than that Islam is teaching us to punish with rules of Shariah law those who are commiting great sins and that is only just,and it is for the sake of good for whole society and whole humanity in general.

I would also like to comment what brother "ATA95 " said about those who are questioing and making question " If Islam is peacefull religion, than why it forbides homosexaulity".Alhadmulillah the answer is that exactly because Islam is truth religion and exactly because Islam is religion of peace it forbids this great sin, like it forbides any other great sins( muder, zinaa, alhcohol) which are very wrong and who are cousing harm to individuals and whole society and are doing what Allah subhanahu wa teala strictly forbideen us.

And Allah knows the best.

May Allah guide us all.Ameen suma ameen

:wasalam:
 

strive-may-i

Junior Member
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Second thing, deconstruct their question bit by bit. "If your religion is about peace, equality, and all of that how come it is against someone being homosexual then?"

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Great answer sister. I'll be prepared when someone asks the question.
:salam2:
Brother "Deconstruct" is the key word here. Dont run with the answer, first try and know what the questioner is upto. That's the most important tip. If Questioner is all set to confuse you, then you be on your guard, dont be tempted or fooled. Verbal duels need really street smart thinking, not just facts.

Homosexuality is a disorder. Its also arising fast, due to inability of society to decide whats good and whats evil. And this inability is mainly because of lack of guidance. That's exactly why Allah sent Messengers to us. May Almighty guide us all.... Ameen

Here is some other link: http://www.narth.com/docs/animalmyth.html
There's a literal basis to the phrase, "It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve."
You Rock!! :)
 

alf2

Islam is a way of life

Okay well, let's see. Islam isn't the only religion that's against homosexuality.

Salaam respected sister,

I do not want to argue or cause a problem, but I would not say that when addressing Kafir's problems with Islam. Usually, if a person is good with homosexuality - they also dislike Judaism and Christianity.

To say "Well, well Christianity does it too" makes a person look very bad. When disucssing Islam's reasons for things - ONLY DISCUSS ISLAM. Unless of course they want to compare the 2 religions.

Just my 2cents.
 
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