Amzing verse from the quran to Athiest...

BrotherZak

Junior Member
Were they created by nothing? Or were they themselves the creators (of themselves)? Or did they create heaven and earth? Nay, but they are not sure.” (Quran 52:35-36)
 

abdulboji

New Member
thank you brother it is great verse , really now I am debating with atheists in YouTube most of them are arrogants they think that every thing is created by evolution , if that the case so the evolution has a wisdom to do all this complicated universe and that's totally nonsense .
 

BrotherZak

Junior Member
In terms of Evolution their is no workable explanation for Abiogenesis(i'm a science student) on how the first protein cell emerged and then you must take into account the complicated states of dna/rna formations..evolution whether they like it or not has many gaps,missing links, and the fact that similiarities exist between species deosn't necessarly mean a common ancestral.A LOT of faith is required to believe the actual evolution between species because noone has ever witnessed and no transistional forms exist...

even then evolion or creating themselves is implied in the above verse; here watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50bAUtu50uc
 

meer suhail

ILM seeker
thks

:salam2:

thks bro thks for sharing ,,,,,,,,,May Allah Bless u


Allah says in His Quran He did not create all of this for any foolish purpose. Allah Says:

And I did not Create the jinn and humans except they should worship Me.[Holy Quran 51:56]


HE IS ALLAH, BESIDES WHOM THERE IS NO OTHER GODS;
WHO KNOWS (ALL THINGS) BOTH SECRET AND OPEN;
HE IS MOST GRACIOUS, MOST MERCIFUL
HE IS ALLAH, BESIDES WHOM THERE IS NO OTHER GOD;
THE SOVEREIGN,
THE HOLY ONE,
THE SOURCE OF PEACE (AND PERFECTION),
THE GUARDIAN OF FAITH,
THE PRESERVER OF SAFETY,
THE EXALTED IN MIGHT,
THE IRRESISTIBLE,
THE SUPREME:
GLORY TO ALLAH: (HIGH IS HE)
ABOVE THE PARTNERS THEY ASCRIBE TO HIM
HE IS ALLAH,
THE CREATOR
THE EVOLVER,
THE BESTOWER OF FORMS (OR COLOURS)
TO HIM BELONG THE MOST BEAUTIFUL NAMES:
ALL THAT IS IN THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, DOTH DECLARE HIS PRAISES AND GLORY.
AND HE IS THE EXALTED IN MIGHT
THE WISE.
Holy Qur’ân 59:22-24


:SMILY346:
 

Mohsin

abdu'Allah
Assalamu-alaikum

:salam2:
Indeed it is a great verse.
Were they created by nothing? Or were they themselves the creators (of themselves)? Or did they create heaven and earth? Nay, but they are not sure.” (Quran 52:35-36)

I like this one as well.
Have you seen him who takes his own lust (vain desires) as his ilâh (god)? and Allâh knowing (him as such), left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart, and put a cover on his sight. Who then will guide him after Allâh? Will you not then remember? (23) And they say: "There is nothing but our life of this world, we die and we live and nothing destroys us except Ad-Dahr (time)[]. And they have no knowledge of it, they only conjecture. (24) And when Our Clear Verses are recited to them, their argument is no other than that they say: "Bring back our (dead) fathers, if you are truthful!" (25) Say (to them): "Allâh gives you life, then causes you to die, then He will assemble you on the Day of Resurrection about which there is no doubt. But most of mankind know not." (26)
 

Munaqaba23

Junior Member
Were they created by nothing? Or were they themselves the creators (of themselves)? Or did they create heaven and earth? Nay, but they are not sure.” (Quran 52:35-36)

:allahuakbar:

Thank you brother for posting this! Strong words indeed. The Qur'an certainly has an answer for every question made by the non-believers!

:jazaak:

:wasalam:
 

a_muslimah86

Hubbi Li Rabbi
Staff member
:salam2:


Excellent catch brother Zak and brother mohsin..

subhanallah no matter how many times you read the Qura'an you always find *new* things that never caught your attention before..
so every time you go back to read it..you are eager to find out more wisdom and more answers..
and you're surely never disappointed in finding them!

Jazakom Allah Khair


:wasalam:
 

dna1987

Muslim Guy
I was about to thank bro zak and mohsin for the verses they posted, and just realised that Muslimah86 has done it already....

But I want to thank you guys again - they are knock-out ayats :)

Another one I like, and you two probably know much better which Surah it's in, is where Allah is saying the disbelievers respond to the Quran with "these are the tales of the ancients". That applied back then, and it applies today too - the same excuses have almost been used!

Think about it, lots of people think at the moment that we live in an "advanced society" and that stories of prophets from 1500 years ago are ancient and fables etc. The disbelieving people of the Prophet Muhammad's (saw) time probably thought the same thing about stories of other Prophet's like Moses and Abraham (which would've been more than 1500 years back for them!).

The disbelieving people at the time of the Early Christians probably also thought that their Roman empire was one of the most advanced in the world (it was - kinda like US today), and they were arrogant.

Anyways. End Essay. JazakAllah khayr for the verses.
 

iqbal313

New Member
evolution and faith

:salah: :tti_sister: first of all Darwin was sent to christian church to be a missionary by his father at one time...a free thinker, a rebel inside, obviously he could not have digested the sceintific, factual and other errors in the interpolated bible and the forceful bending of truth about God and religion by trained missioneries to suit their propaganda line. He must have lost faith in God as well as in religion.
The next thing he took was a voyage on HMS Beagle and reached in Galapagos islands...the theory of evolution was a hastely made one influenced more by Darwins denial of god and religion as taught by christianity than his observation and study of the living world...Science still could not give satisfactory explanation to as it is enzymes or nucleic acids which were formed first, as such it is to be recalled here that there is no antagonism between true science and true religion. We live in a three dimensional world and decipher things in a three dimensional perspective..when it comes to more dimensions our present day understanding will not be enough to deal with the new situation...similarly our vision and our hearing do also have limitations, being restricted to specific wavelengths of sight and sound...so to say any thing ultimate on any subject will definitely prove foolish in future...A blade of leaf or a worm in themselves is all wonders and perfections, not to talk about human body and the universe...How there can be so much perfection everywhere if things came into existence by themselves without any previous models..we would have been witnessing lot of tril and error event everywhere... one thing i always failed to understand is the lifecycle of certain parasites that complete their lifecycle in two host for example plasmodium the malarial parasite, it spents half of it's life cycle iside human body and other half inside mosquito...what explanation darwin and evolutionists have for these parasites choosing such a bizarre life history within the bodies of two ery hostile groups which were sepatrated by millions of years in their evolutionary origin...there are many more such incompatibilities on which the evolutionists conveniently turn a blind eye on
 

ajazz

Junior Member
Allah describe himself in the holy Quran ,

Verily, I am Allah! There is no other god besides Me. (Quran, 20:14)

Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him. (Quran,, 112)

Allah, there is none worthy of worship but He. The Ever-Living, The Self-Subsisting. Neither slumber nor sleep overtake Him. To Him belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and on Earth. Who can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows the past and the future and they can encompass nothing of His Knowledge except what He wills. His Chair extends over the heavens and the earth and He feels no fatigue in guarding them. And He is The Highest, The Mighty. (Quran, 2:255)

There is nothing comparable to Him. And He is The All-Hearing, The All-Seeing. (Quran, 42:11)

Human beings have 5 basic senses but they have great limitations
Our eyes can detect only light that too in a limited range
We can hear sound which is limited to 20 Hz – 20 kHz frequency range
Our senses are just powerful enough to help us survive in this world
Therefore we cannot picture Allah in our mind.
Allah is unique; we cannot compare him with anything in the world or universe
He is beyond any imagination of human beings
Allah has 99 names, they are his attributes, and through these attributes we can know
Allah,
Here are some of his names:

As-Salaam
The Source of Peace, The One who is free from every imperfection.

Al-Quddoos
The Holy, The One who is pure from any imperfection and clear from children and adversaries.

Al-Mutakabbir
The Majestic, The One who is clear from the attributes of the creatures and from resembling them.

Al-Khaaliq
The Creator, The One who brings everything from non-existence to existence.
Al-Musawwir
The Fashioner, The One who forms His creatures in different pictures.

Al-Ghaffaar
The Great Forgiver, The Forgiver, The One who forgives the sins of His slaves time and time again.

As-Samee^
The All-Hearing, The Hearer, The One who Hears all things that are heard by His Eternal Hearing without an ear, instrument or organ.

Al-Baseer
The All-Seeing, The One who Sees all things that are seen by His Eternal Seeing without a pupil or any other instrument.

Al-Haleem
The Forebearing, The Clement, The One who delays the punishment for those who deserve it and then He might forgive them.

Al-Kabeer
The Most Great, The Great, The One who is greater than everything in status.

Al-Haqq
The Truth, The True, The One who truly exists.

Al-Mateen
The Firm One, The One with extreme Power which is un-interrupted and He does not get tired.

Al-Mumeet
The Creator of Death, The Destroyer, The One who renders the living dead.

Al-Qayyoom
The Self-Subsisting, The One who remains and does not end.


Al-'Awwal
The First, The One whose Existence is without a beginning.

Al-'Akhir
The Last, The One whose Existence is without an end.

Az-Zaahir
The Manifest, The One that nothing is above Him and nothing is underneath Him, hence He exists without a place. He, The Exalted, His Existence is obvious by proofs and He is clear from the delusions of attributes of bodies.

Al-Ghaniyy
The Self-Sufficient, The One who does not need the creation.



Al-Badi^
The Incomparable, The One who created the creation and formed it without any preceding example.

Al-Baaqi
The Everlasting, The One that the state of non-existence is impossible for Him.


As-Saboor
The Patient, The One who does not quickly punish the sinners.


This is the definition of god in Islam, does any other religion provides such a definite, clear, concise, precise and stunning description of god?

I hope u got the definition of god (actually Allah is more appropriate
Because the name Allah has no plural and no gender, it is a name which belongs to only one entity, were as god can become goddess or godfather or godmother…)


But, how do we know or prove that such a god exists?
Well, how do we prove that a thing exists?
One method is directly or it is obvious like a car, building or a tree.
But how do we prove a thing that exists which is not obvious or cannot be perceived.(by our senses)

Let’s take example of an atom, can we see it, feel it?


(Very good question. The answer is yes. And No. The reason
For No is that it is actually impossible for anybody to "see" an individual
Atom, since all atoms are thousands of times smaller than the smallest light
waves we can see using our eyes. The reason for Yes is that, even though they
cannot be seen directly with our eyes there is so much evidence for atoms, and
we know so much about them, that it is impossible to say they do not exist.)

: http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/newton...ics/PHY118.HTM



(Ancient Greeks first predicted the existence of the atom around 500 BC. They named the predicted particle 'atomos,' meaning "indivisible." In 1803, John Dalton (1766-1844) proposed a systematic set of postulates to describe the atom. Dalton's work paved the way for modern day acceptance of the atom….. http://www.accessexcellence.org/AE/A...oactivity.html)
Neither the Greeks nor John Dalton saw the atom!
And today scientists, thorough experiment, circumstantial evidence and logical conclusion have established the existence of atoms without seeing or feeling it!


So accepting the existence of god is becoming easier, or is it?


But how do we prove that god exists?
We can experiment, analyze circumstantial evidence and come to logical conclusion
We know time exist or do we?


Definition of time:
A nonspatial continuum in which events occur in apparently irreversible succession from the past through the present to the future.
http://www.answers.com/topic/time


Let’s take an example of the car in your garage
It must have went through events in time
Before it was in the garage it must have been in the showroom, and before that in the factory and before that in the factory in a disassembled state of various parts and this parts must have had their own events in time through which they went, the engine must have been in state of raw metal, this metal must have gone through it own events in time, these events cannot go on indefinitely, logically it must have had a beginning, a starting point, but how this beginning came into existence? Logically there must be an entity that is free from these events in time limitations and was responsible for this starting point, so who can be this entity? Well! Why don’t you go back to the definition of god in Islam, you will realize that Allah fits the bill perfectly!


Lets take the big bang theory (will assume it is true) this theory which is widely accepted by the scientists
The theory states that in the beginning the universe was in a hot gaseous state and then there was a explosion, a big bang which scattered the gaseous matter all around, this matter started spinning and cooled down and earth, stars and other heavenly bodies were formed and then by chance / accident life was formed on earth.
When they say in the beginning it means the hot gaseous matter existed as it is. It had no previous event in time; time itself started at this point.



But was there anything before the beginning, they provide no answer.

But ( alhamdulillah ) the Quran provides the answer!

He only commands it to be and it is. (Ayah: 67-68)

If we assume the big bang to be true (Allah knows the best)
Allah only had to command be, and there it is the hot gaseous matter and the starting point of time!
 

ajazz

Junior Member
According to Aristotle (atheist) logically Allah can exist


On Longevity and Shortness of Life
By Aristotle

Opposites destroy
each other, and hence accidentally, by their destruction, whatsoever
is attributed to them is destroyed. But no opposite in a real substance
is accidentally destroyed, because real substance is not predicated
of any subject. Hence a thing which has no opposite, or which is situated
where it has no opposite, cannot be destroyed.



Read full article here:

http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/longev_short.1b.txt



Hence if something exists which has absolutely no opposition, then
Such thing cannot be destroyed and logically a thing which cannot be destroyed
Must have always existed.






Here again the definition of Allah in Islam.


Al-'Awwal
The First, The One whose Existence is without a beginning.

Al-'Akhir
The Last, The One whose Existence is without an end.



Quote from above……

“a thing which has no opposite, or which is situated
where it has no opposite, cannot be destroyed.”



Az-Zaahir (The Manifest)

The One that nothing is above Him and nothing is underneath Him, hence He exists without a place. He, The Exalted, His Existence is obvious by proofs and He is clear from the delusions of attributes of bodies.

alhumdillah allahuakbar!!!


And there is none like unto Him. (Quran,, 112)

There is nothing comparable to Him. And He is The All-Hearing, The All-Seeing. (Quran, 42:11)




Allah is unique there is nothing like him, leave alone like him there is nothing
You can compare him with,
He is absolute and has no opposition



Those who oppose Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW), they will be among the lowest (most humiliated).
( سورة المجادلة , Al-Mujadila, Chapter #58, Verse #20)




therefore I think if Aristotle was presented this definition of god he would have had no
problem accepting it.


We know universe exist and it also has opposition which is time
And scientist tells us the one day universe will be destroyed
Hence anything that has beginning and can end was created

And only an entity that has attributes which Allah has, is capable of creating universe
Now that we know the definition of Allah
You must acknowledge he is the creator and sustainer of the universe.


Physicists describe grim end of the world

The good news is that the end is not near. The bad news is that when it does come, it's not going to be pretty.


stars will begin to die off as they burn up their nuclear fuel and the firmament as we know it ceases to shine.

"If you wait long enough," Adams says, "all of the stars in the universe will eventually run out of fuel and burn out."


http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9701/15/end.universe/




when the heavens cleave asunder; and when the stars disappear and when the seas commingled; and when the graves be over-turned; Then shall every soul know what it hath sent forth and left behind.” (82:1-5). In Suras Al-e-Imran, The Cattle,
 

ajazz

Junior Member
"researchers says the universe is between 11.2 billion and 20 billion years old."
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...se_030103.html

and anything that ages, had a beginning, if you don't agree than prove it otherwise.

now if you agree the possibility of big bang then the universe had a beginning

so where this starting point came about?

either it was created by some one or it came out of nothing.

but according physics

In physics, the word nothing is not used in any technical sense. A region of space is called a vacuum if it does not contain any matter. But it can contain physical fields. In fact, it is practically impossible to construct a region of space which contains no matter or fields, since gravity cannot be blocked and all objects at a non-zero temperature radiate electromagnetically. However, supposing such a region existed, it would still not be "nothing", since it has properties and a measurable existence as part of the quantum-mechanical vacuum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing

since there is no such thing as nothing


now the other possibility left is, universe was created by someone

but this someone has to be special
this someone has to have special powers and attributes
this someone has to be outside the time



i request you to go back to the post where i describe Allah in Islam

read it very carefully may be twice or thrice
reflect on it

now if you have a rational and logical mind

then yes, only an entity such as Allah
can create the universe

we Muslims believe universe was created by Allah and it was created out of nothing by Allah !!!.

Do they not think deeply (in their ownselves) about themselves (how Allah created them from nothing, and similarly He will resurrect them)? Allah has created not the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, except with truth and for an appointed term. And indeed many of mankind deny the Meeting with their Lord.
( Ar-Room, Chapter #30, Verse #8)


 

BrotherZak

Junior Member
I was about to thank bro zak and mohsin for the verses they posted, and just realised that Muslimah86 has done it already....

But I want to thank you guys again - they are knock-out ayats :)

Another one I like, and you two probably know much better which Surah it's in, is where Allah is saying the disbelievers respond to the Quran with "these are the tales of the ancients". That applied back then, and it applies today too - the same excuses have almost been used!

Think about it, lots of people think at the moment that we live in an "advanced society" and that stories of prophets from 1500 years ago are ancient and fables etc. The disbelieving people of the Prophet Muhammad's (saw) time probably thought the same thing about stories of other Prophet's like Moses and Abraham (which would've been more than 1500 years back for them!).

The disbelieving people at the time of the Early Christians probably also thought that their Roman empire was one of the most advanced in the world (it was - kinda like US today), and they were arrogant.

Anyways. End Essay. JazakAllah khayr for the verses.

good point salam
 
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