*!HELP!* concerning job...

Jihan

Junior Member
Okay i used to work at this coffee shop and last week I reapplied. but the thig is they sell some deli (prewrapped) and some have pork meat in them. So is at haram for me to work there even though we never have direct contact with the meat? I know if a place sells alcohol you cannot work there but what is for haram meat? I've never seen any hadiths on this, so i was wondering if any of you have. jazaakAllah khayr.


ps: i need this info quickly before the boss calls me up tomorrow or the next day.
 

Saifu deen

Alhamdullah..
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Question:

As-Salamu `alaykum. I work in a store where lottery tickets and some pork sandwiches are sold? Due to my circumstances it’s hard for me to find another job. Is to permissible to work there?

Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.


For a Muslim, it is forbidden or haram to sell things that are forbidden.

You should try to find another halal job as soon as possible. Be active in seeking another job even if it pay a little less than what you earn now.

If you cannot afford to live and maintain yourself and your family without a job, then work on this job until you find another one. Quit this job as soon as you find a halal position. May Allah help you.

Allah Almighty knows best.

Reference: http://www.islamonline.net/livefatwa/english/Browse.asp?hGuestID=2cc214

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Jihan

Junior Member
i was actually looking for something on the llines of ahadith that says saying it is haram to work at place selling nonhalal meat or something like that. But Alhamdullillaah this was useful. Now i know to say no to the boss if he callls me inshAllah.
 

Southrn_Muslimah

bnqɯnɥ 'ɥɐq
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Found this for ya.

Question:
I work in a seaport and serve ships that are passing through. Most of these ships are foreign and the people working on them are non-Muslims. The company owner sells pork to these ships sometimes, then he distributes the profits of these sales to us employees and we accept it on the basis that selling pork to non-Muslims is not haraam, and there is no text in the Qur’aan or Sunnah that says that it is haraam to sell it to non-Muslims. And we cannot compare alcohol to pork because pork existed at the time of the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and if he had wanted to forbid it and curse it he would have done so as he did with alcohol. But there are some people who made us doubt whether this money is halaal. Is it halaal or haraam?
If we do not participate in the sale, will it not matter if we take these profits if the company owner gives them to us like an act of charity? Do we have the right to accept charity when we know its origin? Is there any hadeeth in which the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stated clearly and unequivocally that it is haraam to sell pork to non-Muslims? Because pork is not haraam for the People of the Book.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

It is not permissible for anyone to issue fatwas concerning the religion of Allaah without knowledge. It is essential to understand the seriousness of doing that, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad): (But) the things that my Lord has indeed forbidden are Al‑Fawaahish (great evil sins and every kind of unlawful sexual intercourse) whether committed openly or secretly, sins (of all kinds), unrighteous oppression, joining partners (in worship) with Allaah for which He has given no authority, and saying things about Allaah of which you have no knowledge”

[al-‘Araaf 7:33]

So it is not permissible for anyone to say, this is halaal and that is haraam, if he has no sound evidence to that effect. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And say not concerning that which your tongues put forth falsely: ‘This is lawful and this is forbidden,’ so as to invent lies against Allaah. Verily, those who invent lies against Allaah will never prosper”

[al-Nahl 16:116]

Secondly:

Selling pork is haraam whether it is sold to a Muslim or to a kaafir. The evidence for that is as follows:

1 – Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad): I find not in that which has been revealed to me anything forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be Maytah (a dead animal) or blood poured forth (by slaughtering or the like), or the flesh of salcohol (pork); for that surely, is impure or impious (unlawful) meat (of an animal) which is slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allaah (or has been slaughtered for idols, or on which Allaah’s Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering”

[al-An’aam 6:145]

And the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught us an important principle when he said: “When Allaah forbids a thing, He (also) forbids its price.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 3488; classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Ghaayat al-Maraam, 318.

2 – It was narrated from Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say when he was in Makkah at the time of the Conquest: “Allaah and His Messenger have forbidden the sale of alcohol, dead meat, pork and idols.” It was said: “O Messenger of Allaah, what do you think of the fat of dead animals, for ships are caulked with it and animal skins are daubed with it, and the people use it to light their lamps?” He said: “No, it is haraam.” Then the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “May Allaah curse the Jews, for when Allaah forbade them animal fat, they melted it down and sold it, and consumed its price.”

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1212; Muslim, 1581.

Al-Nawawi said:

With regard to dead meat, alcohol and pork, the Muslims are unanimously agreed that it is haraam to sell all of these.

Al-Qaadi said: This hadeeth indicates that whatever we are forbidden to eat or make use of, we are also forbidden to sell, and it is not permissible to consume its price, as in the case of the animal fat mentioned in this hadeeth.

Sharh Muslim, 11/8

Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali said, after quoting the ahaadeeth about the prohibition on alcohol:

The conclusion we may draw from all these ahaadeeth is that whatever Allaah has forbidden us to make use of, it is also haraam to sell it and consume its price, as is stated clearly in the hadeeth: “When Allaah forbids a thing, He (also) forbids its price.” This is a general, comprehensive phrase which applies to everything which is intended to be used in haraam ways. These fall into two categories:

(i) Things which are to be used and will remain as they are, such as idols. The purpose for which they are used is shirk or association of others with Allaah, which is the greatest of all sins. We may add to that books of shirk, witchcraft, innovation (bid’ah) and misguidance, forbidden images, forbidden means of entertainment and also buying slave women who will serve as singers.

(ii) Things which are to be used and which will be used up. If in the majority of cases a thing is used for haraam purposes, then it is haraam to sell it. For example, it is haraam to sell pork, alcohol and dead meat even though they may – on rare occasions – be used for a permissible purpose, such as eating dead meat for those who are in extreme need, or using alcohol to stop oneself choking or to putt out a fire, or using pig hairs for beading, or making use of the hair and skin of a pig – according to those who approve of that. But because these are not the reason for which these things are produced, and the usual use for pigs and dead meat is to eat them, and the usual use for alcohol is to drink it, so no attention should be paid to these reasons, and it is haraam to sell these things.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) indicated this when it was said to him: “What do you think of the fat of dead animals, for ships are caulked with it and animal skins are daubed with it, and the people use it to light their lamps?” He said: “No, it is haraam.”

Jaami’ al-‘Uloom wa’l-Hukam, 1/415, 416

The Standing Committee was asked: Is it permissible to deal in alcohol and pork if one is not selling them to a Muslim? They replied: It is not permissible to deal in foods and other things that Allaah has forbidden, such as alcohol and pork, even if one is selling them to kaafirs, because it is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When Allaah forbids a thing, He also forbids its price.” And because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed alcohol, the one who drinks it, the one who sells it, the one who buys it, the one who carries it, the one to whom it is carried, the one who consumes its price, the one who squeezes (the grapes, etc) and the one for whom it is squeezed.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 13/49.

Thirdly:

With regard to the questioner saying, “selling pork to non-Muslims is not haraam, and there is no text in the Qur’aan or Sunnah that says that it is haraam to sell it to non-Muslims”, this is not correct. We have quoted above evidence from the Qur’aan and Sunnah, and have stated that the scholars are agreed that it is haraam to sell pork. The general meaning of the evidence indicates that it is haraam to sell it to Muslims and kaafirs alike, because the evidence indicates that the prohibition on selling it is general in application, and no differentiation is made between Muslims and others.

Indeed, if we were to say that what is meant by the prohibition on selling it is selling it to kaafirs, that would not be far-fetched, because the basic assumption concerning the Muslim is that he would never buy pork: what would he do with it when he knows that Allaah has forbidden it?

Similarly, the questioner’s saying that “pork existed at the time of the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and if he had wanted to forbid it and curse it he would have done so as he did with alcohol” is also not correct, because it is not essential for a thing to be forbidden that the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) should have cursed the one who does it. Rather it is sufficient that he forbade it or stated that it is haraam, as he forbade the sale of pork.

Fourthly:

With regard to your taking this money, now that you know that it is haraam, it is more befiiting for you to refuse to take it, especially since your taking it is like giving approval to what the company owner is doing. You have to advise him, denounce what he is doing and exhort him to give up these haraam actions. Whoever gives up something for the sake of Allaah, Allaah will compensate him with something better than it.

With regard to the money that you took before you found out that it is haraam, there is no sin on you, in sha Allah. Allaah says in the verses in which He forbids riba (usury, interest) (interpretation of the meaning):

“So whosoever receives an admonition from his Lord and stops eating Ribaa, shall not be punished for the past; his case is for Allaah (to judge)”

[al-Baqarah 2:275]

See also questions no. 2429, 8196.

We ask Allaah to granted you a halaal and blessed provision. And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A
 

Saifu deen

Alhamdullah..
Further information

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Question:

Is it permissible for a Muslim who owns a supermarket in the West to sell pork to non-Muslims? I think that there is a Hanafi ruling regarding the permissibility of such selling. Could you please shed some light on this issue as it concerns many Muslims, especially those who live in the West? Jazakum Allah Khayran

Answer:

In The Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.


Dear questioner, thanks for your question. We pray to have our efforts, which are purely for Allah's Sake, meet your expectations.

Originally, a Muslim is not permitted to sell pork even to non-Muslims unless there is a necessity that warrants doing so such as a great financial loss that may force one out of his business altogether.

In his response to the question, Sheikh Faysal Mawlawi, deputy chairman of the European Council for Fatwa and Research, states:

“Originally, pork is expressly prohibited in the Qur'an. It is not permissible to sell it, either to Muslims or non-Muslims.

However, this ruling may be reversed as regards a Muslim living in the West; he may be permitted to sell pork to non-Muslim customers in case of extreme necessity, if the Muslim finds himself forced to sell it lest he’d lose customers and have his business ruined. But while doing this, he must make sure that the profits earned from selling pork are to be kept aside and be distributed among the poor because a Muslim is not permitted to keep unlawful earnings in his possession.”

Moreover, the late, Sheikh Mustafa Az-Zarqa, professor of Jurisprudence at the Syrian Universities, adds:

“I find in the Hanafi school a permission for a Muslim who lives among disbelievers to have in his store items such as pork so that he can sell them to non-Muslim customers.

But an extreme caution is needed here, as regards pork; he should not carry it unless it is canned, as it is impure and its impurity is transmissible through touching by the knife, hands etc.

As a precautionary measure, I think revenues earned from selling pork should be kept in a separate box, and their profits should be calculated and given to poor Muslims as an aid for the weak among them or be spent on the general interests of Muslims; the owner of the store should not take them for himself.”

In the light of the above-mentioned Fatwas, it’s clear that selling pork is never deemed permissible, under any circumstances, either to Muslims or to non-Muslims. However, as we know that Islam does not stipulate rigid rulings or teachings in the sense of making things difficult for its followers, it leaves room to flexibility as regards certain situations that may warrant excuse. Selling pork to non-Muslims in the West falls in this category. But we must stress that this is only under extreme necessities, and necessity must be put within its domain.

May Allah guide you to the straight path, and guide you to that which pleases Him, Amen.

Reference: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503546044

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Jihan

Junior Member
thanks you guys... this was real helpful...


there's no extreme necessity to sell pork to nonMuslims here...lol... so i am just not going to work there inshAllah.
 

hambaAllah

Junior Member
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Jihan
thanks you guys... this was real helpful...
there's no extreme necessity to sell pork to nonMuslims here...lol... so i am just not going to work there inshAllah.

:salah: :tti_sister: May Allah swt open doors of opportunity thats halal for you sis,,Ameen Ya rabbal Alameen

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