Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was a Jew

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hussain.mahammed

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Freemason Mustafa Kemal, the so-called founder of secular republic in Turkey was a Jew!

To this date, there is extreme confusion among Muslims and non-Muslims alike around the world regarding who wasMustafa Kemal. Recently, yet other evidences have surfaced that Mustafa Kemal, the cruel dictator of Turkey, was not only a non-muslim doenmeh, but also a secret Jewish descendant of 17th-century Jewish false messiah Sabbatai Tzwi (Zevi)! The evidence comes not from tracing his genealogy, but from the statements he himself made. Check out the following:

Subject: Freemason Dictator Mustafa Kemal confesses his Jewishness
Source: Forward, A Jewish Newspaper published in New York, January 28, 1994

WHEN KEMAL ATATURK RECITED SHEMA YISRAEL

"It's My Secret Prayer, Too," He Confessed

By Hillel Halkin

ZICHRON YAAKOV - There were two questions I wanted to ask, I said over the phone to Batya Keinan, spokeswoman for Israeli president Ezer Weizman, who was about to leave the next day, Monday, Jan. 24, on the first visit ever made to Turkey by a Jewish chief of state. One was whether Mr. Weizman would be taking part in an official ceremony commemorating Kemal Ataturk.

Ms. Kenan checked the president's itinerary, according to which he and his wife would lay a wreath on Ataturk's grave the morning of their arrival, and asked what my second question was.

"Does President Weizman know that Ataturk had Jewish ancestors and was taught Hebrew prayers as a boy?"

"Of course, of course," she answered as unsurprisedly as if I had inquired whether the president was aware that Ataturk was Turkey's national hero.

I thanked her and hung up. A few minutes later it occurred to me to call back and ask whether President Weizman intended to make any reference while in Turkey to Ataturk's Jewish antecedents. "I'm so glad you called again," said Ms. Kenan, who now sounded excited and a bit distressed. "Exactly where did you get your information from?"

Why was she asking, I countered, if the president's office had it too?

Because it did not, she confessed. She had only assumed that it must because I had sounded so matter-of-fact myself. "After you hung up," she said, "I mentioned what you told me and nobody here knows anything about it. Could you please fax us what you know?"

I faxed her a short version of it. Here is a longer one.

Stories about the Jewishness of Ataturk, whose statue stands in the main square of every town and city in Turkey, already circulated in his lifetime but were denied by him and his family and never taken seriously by biographers. Of six biographies of him that I consulted this week, none even mentions such a speculation. The only scholarly reference to it in print that I could find was in the entry on Ataturk in the Israeli Entsiklopedya ha-Ivrit, which begins:

"Mustafa Kemal Ataturk - (1881-1938), Turkish general and statesman and founder of the modern Turkish state.

"Mustafa Kemal was born to the family of a minor customs clerk in Salonika and lost his father when he was young. There is no proof of the belief, widespread among both Jews and Muslims in Turkey, that his family came from the Doenme. As a boy he rebelled against his mother's desire to give him a traditional religious education, and at the age of 12 he was sent at his demand to study in a military academy."

The Doenme were an underground sect of Sabbetaians, Turkish Jews who took Muslim names and outwardly behaved like Muslims but secretly believed in Sabbetai Zevi, the 17th-century false messiah, and conducted carefully guarded prayers and rituals in his name. The encyclopedia's version of Ataturk's education, however, is somewhat at variance with his own. Here is his account of it as quoted by his biographers:

"My father was a man of liberal views, rather hostile to religion, and a partisan of Western ideas. He would have preferred to see me go to a lay school, which did not found its teaching on the Koran but on modern science.

"In this battle of consciences, my father managed to gain the victory after a small maneuver; he pretended to give in to my mother's wishes, and arranged that I should enter the (Islamic) school of Fatma Molla Kadin with the traditional ceremony. ...

"Six months later, more or less, my father quietly withdrew me from the school and took me to that of old Shemsi Effendi who directed a free preparatory school according to European methods. My mother made no objection, since her desires had been complied with and her conventions respected. It was the ceremony above all which had satisfied her."

Who was Mustafa Kemal's father, who behaved here in typical Doenme fashion, outwardly observing Muslim ceremonies while inwardly scoffing at them? Ataturk's mother Zubeyde came from the mountains west of Salonika, close to the current Albanian frontier; of the origins of his father, Ali Riza, little is known. Different writers have given them as Albanian, Anatolian and Salonikan, and Lord Kinross' compendious 1964 "Ataturk" calls Ali Riza a "shadowy personality" and adds cryptically regarding Ataturk's reluctance to disclose more about his family background: "To the child of so mixed an environment it would seldom occur, wherever his racial loyalties lay, to inquire too exactly into his personal origins beyond that of his parentage."

Learning Hebrew

Did Kinross suspect more than he was admitting? I would never have asked had I not recently come across a remarkable chapter while browsing in the out-of-print Hebrew autobiography of Itamar Ben-Avi, son of Eliezer Ben-Yehuda, the leading promoter of the revival of spoken Hebrew in late 19th-century Palestine. Ben-Avi, the first child to be raised in Hebrew since ancient times and later a Hebrew journalist and newspaper publisher, writes in this book of walking into the Kamenitz Hotel in Jerusalem one autumn night in 1911 and being asked by its proprietor:
" 'Do you see that Turkish officer sitting there in the corner, the one with the bottle of arrack?' "
" 'Yes.' "
" 'He's one of the most important officers in the Turkish army.' "
" 'What's his name?' "
" 'Mustafa Kemal.' "
" 'I'd like to meet him,' I said, because the minute I looked at him I was startled by his piercing green eyes."

Ben-Avi describes two meetings with Mustafa Kemal, who had not yet taken the name of Ataturk, 'Father of the Turks.' Both were conducted in French, were largely devoted to Ottoman politics, and were doused with large amounts of arrack. In the first of these, Kemal confided:

"I'm a descendant of Sabbetai Zevi - not indeed a Jew any more, but an ardent admirer of this prophet of yours. My opinion is that every Jew in this country would do well to join his camp."

During their second meeting, held 10 days later in the same hotel, Mustafa Kemal said at one point:

" 'I have at home a Hebrew Bible printed in Venice. It's rather old, and I remember my father bringing me to a Karaite teacher who taught me to read it. I can still remember a few words of it, such as --' "

And Ben-Avi continues:
"He paused for a moment, his eyes searching for something in space. Then he recalled:
" 'Shema Yisra'el, Adonai Elohenu, Adonai Ehad!'
" 'That's our most important prayer, Captain.'
" 'And my secret prayer too, cher monsieur,' he replied, refilling our glasses."

Although Itamar Ben-Avi could not have known it, Ataturk no doubt meant "secret prayer" quite literally. Among the esoteric prayers of the Doenme, first made known to the scholarly world when a book of them reached the National Library in Jerusalem in 1935, is one containing the confession of faith:

"Sabbetai Zevi and none other is the true Messiah. Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one."

It was undoubtedly from this credo, rather than from the Bible, that Ataturk remembered the words of the Shema, which to the best of my knowledge he confessed knowing but once in his adult life: to a young Hebrew journalist whom he engaged in two tipsily animated conversations in Jerusalem nearly a decade before he took control of the Turkish army after its disastrous defeat in World War I, beat back the invading Greeks and founded a secular Turkish republic in which Islam was banished - once and for all, so he thought - to the mosques.

Ataturk would have had good reasons for concealing his Doenme origins. Not only were the Doenmes (who married only among themselves and numbered close to 15,000, largely concentrated in Salonika, on the eve of World War I) looked down on as heretics by both Muslims and Jews, they had a reputation for sexual profligacy that could hardly have been flattering to their offspring. This license, which was theologically justified by the claim that it reflected the faithful's freedom from the biblical commandments under the new dispensation of Sabbetai Zevi, is described by Ezer Weizman's predecessor, Israel's second president, Yitzchak Ben-Zvi, in his book on lost Jewish communities, "The Exiled and the Redeemed":

'Saintly Offspring'

"Once a year (during the Doenmes' annual 'Sheep holiday') the candles are put out in the course of a dinner which is attended by orgies and the ceremony of the exchange of wives. ... The rite is practiced on the night of Sabbetai Zevi's traditional birthday. ... It is believed that children born of such unions are regarded as saintly."

Although Ben-Zvi, writing in the 1950s, thought that "There is reason to believe that this ceremony has not been entirely abandoned and continues to this day," little is known about whether any of the Doenmes' traditional practices or social structures still survive in modern Turkey. The community abandoned Salonika along with the city's other Turkish residents during the Greco-Turkish war of 1920-21, and its descendants, many of whom are said to be wealthy businessmen and merchants in Istanbul, are generally thought to have assimilated totally into Turkish life.

After sending my fax to Batya Keinan, I phoned to check that she had received it. She had indeed, she said, and would see to it that the president was given it to read on his flight to Ankara. It is doubtful, however, whether Mr. Weizman will allude to it during his visit: The Turkish government, which for years has been fending off Muslim fundamentalist assaults on its legitimacy and on the secular reforms of Ataturk, has little reason to welcome the news that the father of the 'Father of the Turks' was a crypto-Jew who passed on his anti-Muslim sentiments to his son. Mustafa Kemal's secret is no doubt one that it would prefer to continue to be kept.

Courtesy: m-kemal . blogspot. com
 
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abdul ghaleeb

Guest
thers alot of jews in turkey. mostly sefardim who came from exile from spain and portugal after the fall of muslim el-aandelus
 

Battal

Member
this is true. Dictator Mustafa Kemal was Jewish and he worked with the British in order to get the control of the Near East.

It was the Doenmeh (sabatian) Jews whom the British empire put into power after the defeat of Ottoman Empire after WWI.

During dictator Mustafa Kemal's 15 years brutal reign, islam was nearly banished in turkey and many of the Ulama were slaughtered in Turkey so that islam in Turkey will not revive. but, alhamdulillah, lately it is proving to be opposite. the muslims of turkey are waking up inshaAllah..

Check out this website for more information about British agent dictator Mustafa Kemal and the Zionist-controlled secular republic in Turkey:
 

cihan

Left The Website
as salamu aleykum wr wb

I just can not understand why people still try to talk about past..I mean Atatürk died...understand?..what will you do about his religion?...Are you the one who will judge him?...He passed away...So Allah(S.W.T) will deal with this not you...but the thing is "YES" he did wrong things.....u know them ; no need to discuss that...but i can not say he was a jew...because he has many words about Islam he gave a lot of lectures in the mosques......also turkish parliament opened after Jumah prayer and with Quran and duas...He never called himslef a jew...most probably these are lies(source is same people as u know) to seperate turkish muslims from other muslims...They want you to hate us...Atatürk called himself as a muslim so this is your responsibility to call himself as a muslim also....and i am sure you know NOTHING about WW1 and Turkey's independence war...Search turkish armies have beaten which armies in that wars...u will find ENGLISH as only 1 of them...when u look who was the commander...you will see Atatürk there...Actually i am sorry but you write things here with a lack of knowledge...You don't know what Atatürk said about our holy lands , about Rasulullah(S.A.W) , about Quran , about Islam , about Allah(S.W.T)....Yes i know he did wrongs i don't defend his wrongs but this is a wrong behaviour of you to call him as a jew...and you are responsible with your behaviours...Allah will ask you...Doesn't Allah says that we shouldn't talk about the things we don't know...I just can not understand..ppl love to talk so much..and they don't think these r recorded..you don't calculate things when u r doing...you don't ask to yourself "will i get a good thing with this behaviour that i will do?"...What was your goal brother? Can you tell me please what is the purpose of that post?...With this what did u want from us to think to do?...Can you show me helpful side of this post?
Why you deal with Atatürk? ...He is dead...He will be judged by his behaviours...But there is something alive about him...it is called "kemalism"...this is alive so if you wanna do something good you should give proofs to kemalist people that Islam has nothing to do with kemalism in a good way...Anyways i got tired of these kind of things...

And the thing about "muslims in Turkey waking up".....inshaallah

Edit note:Wrong typing
Allah Hafiz
 

apocalypse77

Junior Member
Ok Im not going to have a go at this narrow minded way of thinking but enough is ENOUGH. Mustafa is DEAD. What is done is done.I ask you. What exactly makes an Islamic state? Isit just religion based country?

To be honest Im very disappointed at some of the narrow mindedness of Muslims, particularly this whole "They took over the whole land and replaced with Kafir government!! Sad right?". This person implies that anything not considered Islamic he condemns it as kafir without even examine things in details.

Ill say it before and Ill say it again. Islam is NOT just about rituals or restrictions that stop you from having fun. Islam is a WAY OF LIFE. Sometimes i think the countries we label as "Infidel countries" are actually more Islamic than us!! Yes thats right. I personally think sometimes that Japan is MORE Islamic than the other "Muslim-majority" countries. Why? Because they are extremely hardworking!! They value integration, cleanliness and efficiency of environment, isnt that what Islam thought us to do?

The problem with some Muslims is they think that Islam is all about rituals and nothing else. How many of those so called Muslim countries have God blessed with oil but the people there are lazy, do not help their fella muslim brothers in trouble and have a HIGH illeteracy rate? This seems ot be the contradiction of rich Muslim countries. Rich but still not considered a developing country, apart form the fact they are becoming extremely reliant on the west whislt cursing infidels? Whats the point of calling a country an "Islamic state" when there is so much corruption in the goverment, dirty airports, unclean sewages, high illeteracy rates, pollution of environment and little care for animal conservation? Is this what Islam thought us? God gives us a brain to think, so isnt all this common snese to us? Imean does the Quran even need to tell us in detail this is what we should do? Ive yet to see a verse in the Quran on how to create computers and televisions!!

If we think Islam is all about rituals than how the heck are we going to progress? Are going to say Maths isnt important ? If Maths isnt impportant than how in the world we are going to do ISLAMIC BANKING? If learning science isnt important than how are we going to use the knowledge we learn on astronomy to calculate the time for prayers? We are so quick to judge people by becoming a "Haram Police" but instead being part of the solution to solve the problem we are so busy with frivalous stuffs and the "holier than thou attitude"

I ask you. How come alot of Muslim countries have vast oil wealth but they are still not considered a developing country? Up till now only Turkey is considered to be the most developed Muslim nation in the world and they dont even rely on oil wealth!!

We have to be pragmatic on certain issues too. I give you an example. We beleive that God has given us free will. Islam forbids us from consuming alcohol. Ok, I agree with that. But how come there are many people of this Muslims who come from an "Islamic state" who "reverts back to sinful ways" by going to a country with alcohol to enjoy himself? Some even smuggle alcohol to the country!! Those with money even fled the country during Ramadhan to escape religious police!! Thats when the idea of free will comes. You can bring the horse to the water but you cannot force him to drink!! It is NOT wrong to have strict rules on morals on conduct but then think again. If we have a strict ruling dictatorship ala Khomeini style theocracy wouldnt that make Muslims hate Islam even more because they restrict pple so much?

My point is, the problem with these so called "Islamic states" that fundamentalists want is that they focus on symbolic items of Islam. (headscarfs, turbans and beards) They beleive Islam is all about the outside(symbol) and just the rituals. Do you notice how after the fall of Taliban women start to unveil themselves and men start to shave their beards? The taliban says they want ot recreate the time of the prophet 1400 years ago. How about we ask the Taliban "Do you want to go back to your mother's womb where its thats the way things should be?

Fundamentalists beleive Muslims cannot be the richest people in the world. What about Animal rights and conservation? Medical welfare? Clean and green environment? Efficient road systems? World class airplanes? Arent this what Islam thought us do? Are they not even Islamic? Does the Quran has to be explicit as to tell us these are all Islamic? The Quran didnt seem to tell us how explicitly and in details how we should make Bridges, Light Bulbs, Hnadphones, Computers and Cars!! Yet it semes that "infidels" take better position in using their common sense in this issues!!

Stop all this "islamic state" and "infidel land" nonsense. If everything is so wrong including staying at the land of infidels maybe we should all stop using technologies invented by infidels too. You see, we've confused ourself with this whole idea of secular state and islamic state which are all basically ideas from the west. If we claim a specific muslim majority country to be an Islamic state, does that mean we abandon "secular" subjects like maths, Science which is what the quran encourage us to learn to glorify Allah even more? And so what if we live in a "secular country" going to a "secular school" learning these subjects? We seem to have a narrow minded thinking, we believe a "secular" country is all about drugs, sex and alcohol thanks to Western idealogy that has intercept on our brains

We go around cursing infidels for hating our way of life but we seem to forget when it comes to matters of dunya and rezeki Allah treats us all equal muslim or non muslim. Sometimes i think "infidels" seem to be even more bless by Allah than us even though Allah didnt bless their country with instant wealth resources like oil like their muslim majority counterparts!!!

btw, i notice im a bit repetitive and random so pardon me on that anyway,
Ill give you a quote by ex prime minister Mahathir Mohammed of Malaysia.

".....Divided by their different interpretations, Muslims do not play the role they once did in the world; instead, they are weakened and victimised. The Shia/Sunni schism is so deep that each side condemns followers of the other as apostates, kafir. The belief that the others religion is not Islam, and its followers not Muslim, has underpinned internecine wars in which millions have died - and continue to die.

Even among the Sunnis and Shias there are further divisions. The Sunnis have four imams and the Shias have twelve; their teachings all differ. Then there are other divisions, including the Druze, the Alawites and the Wahabis.

We are also taught by our ulamas (religious instructors) that their teachings must not be questioned. Islam is a faith. It must be believed. Logic and reason play no part in it. But what is it that we must believe when each branch of Islam thinks the other one is wrong? The Koran, after all, is one book, not two or three, or a thousand.

According to the Koran, a Muslim is anyone who bears witness that ''there is no God [Allah] but Allah, and that Muhammad is his Rasul [Messenger]''. If no other qualification is added, then all those who subscribe to these precepts must be regarded as Muslims. But because we Muslims like to add qualifications that often derive from sources other than the Koran, our religion's unity has been broken.

But perhaps the greatest problem is the progressive isolation of Islamic scholarship - and much of Islamic life - from the rest of the modern world. We live in an age of science in which people can see around corners, hear and see things happening in outer space, and clone animals. And all of these things seem to contradict our belief in the Koran.

This is so because those who interpret the Koran are learned only in religion, in its laws and practices, and thus are usually unable to understand todays scientific miracles. The fatwas (legal opinions concerning Islamic law) that they issue appear unreasonable and cannot be accepted by those with scientific knowledge.

Muslim scholars added to the body of knowledge and developed new disciplines, such as astronomy, geography, and new branches of mathematics. They introduced numerals, enabling simple and limitless calculations.

But around the 15th century, the learned in Islam began to curb scientific study. They began to study religion alone, insisting that only those who study religion - particularly Islamic juridprudence - gain merit in the afterlife. The result was intellectual regression at the very moment that Europe began embracing scientific and mathematical knowledge.

And so, as Muslims were intellectually regressing, Europeans began their renaissance, developing improved ways of meeting their needs, including the manufacture of weapons that eventually allowed them to dominate the world

The great Islamic civilization went into decline when the learned Muslims interpreted knowledge acquisition as enjoined by the Quran, to mean acquiring only the knowledge of the religion, rejecting other knowledge as un-Islamic.

Following this, the Muslims gave up the study of science, mathematics, medicine and other so-called worldly disciplines.

Instead, they spent much time debating on Islamic teachings and interpretations, on Islamic jurisprudence and Islamic practices, which led to a break-up of the Ummah and the found

Muslims fatally weakened their ability to defend themselves by neglecting, even rejecting, the study of allegedly secular science and mathematics, and this myopia remains a fundamental source of the oppression suffered by Muslims today.

Many Muslims still condemn the founder of modern Turkey, Mustafa Kamal, because he tried to modernise his country. But would Turkey be Muslim today without Ataturk? Mustafa Kamals clear-sightedness saved Islam in Turkey and saved Turkey for Islam.

Failure to understand and interpret the true and fundamental message of the Koran has brought only misfortune to Muslims. By limiting our reading to religious works and neglecting modern science, we destroyed Islamic civilisation and lost our way in the world....."
- Mahathir Mohammed
 

uskupi

Junior Member
assalam alaikum ...it is realy irelevant wether was Attaturk jew or was hindu or inuet ...that is realy irelevant.Fact remains that after him we have no more khalefat and that hurts.But there is one thing that remains in our hand and that is ISLAMBUL (Istambul) and i say Islambul and not Constatinoupulos as has could have beeing.Alhamdulillah that is so and we can not denye the fact that Attaturk was very skilled war strategist
 

kayleigh

Junior Member
Uh, ok, why does it matter if he was a Jew? IT DOESN'T. I'm sure I have some Jewish ancestry (and you all probably do too), guess that makes me a kafir, right? Nevermind the fact that Jews aren't kafirs...
 

Shahzad

Junior Member
i have read some good posts in this thread

Its true that kamal has died (and must have been burning in hell) but its important to get info. abt him as many ppl think that he is the one who put turkey on track and turkey started progressing under his rule. He has been portratyed as very good person BUt we have to know the reality to understand the tricks of our enemies

Its true that he is a jew and he worked on policy made by jews. thats why we see secular turkey althouigh 99% of ppl there wants islam in their daily life

if ur ancestors were kafir, it doest make u go to hell and the 1 thread was never written to convey this instead just to give u the insights abt Kamal. Islam doesnt restrcit u from anything from maths to football untill u follow limits of islam every where , in every field such as wearing trousers below knees , when playing football etc etc

I hope u ppl get my point

P.S. please keep such posts coming
 

cihan

Left The Website
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i have read some good posts in this thread

Its true that kamal has died (and must have been burning in hell) but its important to get info. abt him as many ppl think that he is the one who put turkey on track and turkey started progressing under his rule. He has been portratyed as very good person BUt we have to know the reality to understand the tricks of our enemies

Its true that he is a jew and he worked on policy made by jews. thats why we see secular turkey althouigh 99% of ppl there wants islam in their daily life

if ur ancestors were kafir, it doest make u go to hell and the 1 thread was never written to convey this instead just to give u the insights abt Kamal. Islam doesnt restrcit u from anything from maths to football untill u follow limits of islam every where , in every field such as wearing trousers below knees , when playing football etc etc

I hope u ppl get my point

P.S. please keep such posts coming

As salamu aleykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

Oh my God ...what a nice post..i see a person judges another person and puts him into hell...and after a while he talks like someone who knows the hearts and says "Its true that he is a jew and he worked on policy made by jews"...look at this!!!...can you sware by Allah that Atatürk was a jew and if he was not will you accept to go hell?...How can you be sure like that...u look so sure....How?...Were you the angel on 1 of his right side or left?..Or did you get any information from Allah(S.W.T)....What will you do if i blame you for being a zionist?...How will you defend yourself?
I tell you Atatürk did wrong things but that doesn't mean he was a jew...Maybe he was..i dunno...coz i know only Allah(S.W.T) knows the hearts...But you say you know his heart...how come?... in Islam our responsibility is if someone SAYS "i am a muslim" we MUST behave him as a muslim and let the rest to Allah(S.W.T)...Rather then dealing with his belief we should deal with Atatürk's ideology...and it is "kemalism"...and if you ask about "kemalism" with another topic which has nothing to do with Islam....but if you blame Atatürk with being a jew u can make turkish people sad....because they will feel like as a public they had been raped by a person trusted by them...This shouldn't be so easy...be fair please...Atatürk lived most of his life in battle grounds...from his youth to his old ages...He had been IN the battles against NON MUSLIMS who attacked us...
And when it comes to the subject "khilafe"...When the Ottoman sultan as a khalife called for jihad who answered this call from the ummah? who obeyed that calling? Rather then obeying the jihad call forget about getting together most of the ummah had been against Ottomans...So if you don't obey the khalife then is there a value left about khalife?they killed their borthers by working with kafirs......And also tell me please what happened and happining to those places that was under rule of Ottomans and then backstabbed Ottoman...Look around these countries...tell me the history of these countries which is a big pain inside me...What happened after Ottomans kicked out from this muslim lands by their muslim brothers...So why are you blaming turks because of that khilafe stuff? Did your grandfathers obeyed the khalife(sure i don't blame you coz of this)? Khalife has a meaning by the ummah so if there is no united ummah what will be the meaning of it?If khilafe had been still in Turkey for example now president is Abdullah Gül in Turkey...Would you obey him now?...Actually Abdullah Gül is very far away from being a khalife...Actually my REVERT brothers can be better Khalife then these kind of people...Maybe by thinking of it or not Atatürk saved the honour of Khilafet....Because muslims at that time didn't care about Khalife ....Can you imagine a khalife that noone care about him? Noone listen his orders?...But if we try to be a better ummah rather then blaming eachother or saying useless , stupid things to eachother if we love each other FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH inshallah Allah will give us A (1(one)) GOOD STATE a good leader , leaders khilafe or something like that

And that stuff " Atatürk was a jew , was a satanist , was a hindu ,was a christian , a budist etc." this is enough..ok?He said he is a muslim so we MUST call him as a muslim and let the rest to Allah(S.W.T) ....you have no proof that Atatürk was a jew only you believe everything you read ...Only Allah (S.W.T ) knows the hearts and only He will judge us...So please stop this ... Don't make me to ask the 2nd question pls...

Allah Hafiz
 

ed209

Junior Member
i dont like the controversies in this post.i will never call a ppl kafir unless i see what he or she really does.what makes me disappointed is not whether Kamal Arturk is a jew,but the useless controversies.i think only Allah can judge whether one ppl should go to hell or paradise.we can only judge what we see and hear.that's what i think.
 

Shahzad

Junior Member
brother cihan.

i am not an angel niether i know his heart. But there are insights which most of the ppl dont have reach to.

U know wat, Mehmood Abbas of Palestine is also a Jew.

Its not necessary that we shud be there wid every to know if he/she is a jew or wat..

got my point?
 

Mahzala

فَتَبَارَكَ اللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ الْخَالِقِينَ
maybe u r the 1 undercover Fartaqi? maybe u r a jew or satanist....

Assalamualaikum

I agree with what you said and I think that as he is dead now, we shouldnt be talking about him in such a way. I am sure none of would like it if we were in our grave and people were talking of us badly. We are here to build a good reputation and be remembered for the good we have done so that when we die people can remember us that way and make dua for us.

We really shouldnt talk about what he was, who he was and what religion he followed now that he is dead. Its not good to talk about the dead.. let alone debate about it...

And about the fact that you have told the other brother that he is a Jew or Satanist.. when i read it even I got offended.. so be careful with what you say.. hurting someones feelings has a very big cost and cannot be forgiven easily.. ( I am talking from experience).. Dont let anyone develop a grudge against you simply from your words or remarks..

I do not intend to offend you... And I hope that you are not..

Assalamualikum
 

nasa

Junior Member
an idea!!

:salam2:

I don´t like the kind of way to "discuss", and even I don´t like or support that leader, I have to say that this claim is not true. Mahmoud Abbas is muslim.

Salam alekom,
sister, they say that Mahmud Abbas is a Bahaee, not a muslim , they have a different prophet...
 

sister herb

Official TTI Chef
:salam2:

Who is "they"? Any evidence maybe? If he is not muslim, why he then have visited in Ka´ba in Mecca and prayed there with Hamas leaders. Interesting non-muslim indeed...
 

kayleigh

Junior Member
I still don't understand - who cares if he's a Jew?

and since when did Jew's become kafirs?

and since when did some of you become so self-righteous as to decide if one is going to hell or not? Or, deciding if someone is a Muslim when you haven't even met them, or better yet, when they're dead already.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Salaam,

Stop. Everyone stop. We are attacking each other.

Let us research our posts. Let us remain rational and logical. We can not think with our hearts..we have to have facts to stand on.
We know that Turkey is going to have to decide where it wants to go. FOr many years Islam was not the center of Turkey. Many people agreed to westernize Turkey. It is up to the Turks to decide.

Just as it is for everyone to decide are they going to be Muslims or they going to be others.


Please keep in mind these posts are read by many. We need to use each opportunity to educate our readers. If we engage in debate please use sites, facts and sources to back up your argument.
 

uskupi

Junior Member
assalam alaikum ...Attaturk was born in Thesaloniki (today Greece),his mother was Albanian from Gostivar( Macedonia) a city 25 miles away from here were i lieve and his father was Turk so he was a muslim and about what has he done will be judged by Allah subhanehu we teala.In sahihul Buhari i read hadith were Muhammad salalahu alejhi we salem hearing some people cursing El Hakem ibn abu Jaheel said:-Dont curse the dead one's it will not reach to them but will hurt the living one,,,meaning the son of abu Jaheel, Ikrime Ibn abu Jaheel Radijallahu anhu...assalam alaikum
 
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