Dawah with a Born-Again Christian

Imad

Junior Member
hello Leandra,

Thanks for answering my Question. You said it's scientifically proven that when you speak in tongues your brains release a chemical which helps your immune system

someone quoted that if we can speak in tounges (which I can and has been scientifically proven to release a chemical from the brain that helps your immune system)then we can also drink of poison.

Can you give me the link to the research ( scientific paper)

Thanks,

Imad
 

leandra

New Member
hello Leandra,

Thanks for answering my Question. You said it's scientifically proven that when you speak in tongues your brains release a chemical which helps your immune system



Can you give me the link to the research ( scientific paper)

Thanks,

Imad

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Now on to Gazkour,

I said physical proof as in I can not pull Jesus out of my pocket. The physical proof is in the Bible, and I quote, many muslims will say that " God sent down the Quran because mankind kept changing His Word, its the last hope for mankind. The Bible was made by man, the Torah and the Bible has been changed. blah blah blah. "

Now, Im going to say.. Unless you physically changed the Bible yourself then you should have no reason to say its been changed. The ONLY thing that prolly has been changed is the dialect, because of the fact that this isnt Shakespear times anymore and our language has modernized. The Bible was written by Jesus' diciples.

Also, Im sorry for whomever was pushed down during their prayer time, However that has never happened to me. It actually felt like to me that I was having a panic attack almost but instead of feeling cold and clammy I felt hot and tingly. I also felt lifeless.

You all misinterpret the Bible, GOD IS ONENESS! But Jesus IS GOD!!
GOD has no partners, Him and Jesus are one.

And another thing, I dont know anyone whose not circumsized.. so I dont know where that came from.
Second of all, Ive never been to a temple.
And third of all, Yes, It was a Levitican Law that you couldn't eat pork, BUT if your read your Bible then you would know that in Acts 11: 6-9 , GOD cleansed all things.


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Now, The Humble Wun,

Muslims have not come forth and believe in Jesus.
Either Jesus is a flat out liar in our Bible or He is who He says He is.

Its one of two things, Its not in the middle, ohhh He was a prophet.. Its one or the other.

You either believe or you dont.
Dont sugar coat it and make it something its not.

Now, in the Torah in prophesizes about Jesus coming, so your going to tell me that both the Torah and the Bible are wrong? And yes I know that Jews dont believe in Jesus as the Son of GOD because they dont believe Hes come yet, and that is why He was crusified for BLASPHEMY. Now, what is BLASPHEMY?? Its saying you are GOD, Mocking GOD, etc. Now what did Jesus do? He said He was GOD. Hmmm.. coincidence?

Yes, and Ive seen Ahmed Deedat, And I personally do not like him because he is blasphemist (mocks GOD) .
 

um muhammad al-mahdi

لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله
Staff member
:salam2:

leandra >>
You all misinterpret the Bible, GOD IS ONENESS! But Jesus IS GOD!!
GOD has no partners, Him and Jesus are one.


:salam2: :)

God has no partners right! So why do you make Jesus (alahi salam) as one of them? And, where in the Bible Jesus (alahi salam) says to be God and and needs to be worshipped?
 

Muslims have not come forth and believe in Jesus.
Either Jesus is a flat out liar in our Bible or He is who He says He is.

Its one of two things, Its not in the middle, ohhh He was a prophet.. Its one or the other.

This is not a math problem. I wish my life was just that simple. I'm glad to have a mind that questions things. We believe in the existence and prophet hood of Jesus (pbuh). We don't say that Jesus (pbuh) is a liar. We say that these so called "apostles" that you are talking about has corrupted the original messages of Jesus (pbuh). There has been numerous changes to the Bible, and if you'd like I can point them to you. Every month there is a new revised Bible out. It's bananas. With all due respect, I can not worship a man that eats, sleeps, breathes (whose life depends on this world) which you claim to be God. :astag: My God is free from all the necessities of this world.


"Allah! There is no god but He - the Living, The Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him Nor Sleep. His are all things In the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede In His presence except As he permitteth? He knoweth What (appeareth to His creatures As) Before or After or Behind them. Nor shall they compass Aught of his knowledge Except as He willeth. His throne doth extend Over the heavens And on earth, and He feeleth No fatigue in guarding And preserving them, For He is the Most High. The Supreme (in glory)." (2:255)

You either believe or you dont.
Dont sugar coat it and make it something its not.

Tell the numerous priests/pastors/rabbis that has reverted to Islam. These are signs for you to believe if not at least question your own beliefs. However, you have the right worship whatever you like. I am not a follower, I have my own mind. My mind questions everything.


Now what did Jesus do? He said He was GOD. Hmmm.. coincidence?
Be careful with your statement. Those are YOUR OWN words. Jesus (pbuh) never said he was God. Nowhere in the Bible.
Yes, and Ive seen Ahmed Deedat, And I personally do not like him because he is blasphemist (mocks GOD)

I believe you have never seen ANY of his videos and you've allowed your own ignorance to hinder yourself from seeking the truth. He doesn't mock God, he actually praises God! Have you not seen the countless debates with priests and how he provides evidence directly from the Bible to prove them wrong?? I think one or some of them reverted to Islam later on.

Please see this:

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Remember guidance does not come from man but from God. May God show you the right path.

P.S. Did you know that Muhammad (pbuh) is in your Bible?
 
And third of all, Yes, It was a Levitican Law that you couldn't eat pork, BUT if your read your Bible then you would know that in Acts 11: 6-9 , GOD cleansed all things.

With all due respect again, I find this so bizarre. What was the purpose for not allowing it then? What made it change? Why was it changed? Who made this change? When did they make this change? Does your God always change His mind? Can He change His mind today or tomorrow to prohibit eating pork? If no, then why not? Did your God make a mistake?

Please research the bad health affects of eating pork. This is something scientists just recently discovered!
 

Imad

Junior Member
Hello Leandra,

You gave me 3 links. Not one of this links gave evidence based information about speaking in tongues and the stronger immunity system.
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Link 1

Even medical science is beginning to take notice. I recently read about a fascinating study done by Dr. Carl Peterson, a brain specialist at Oral Roberts University in Tulsa, Oklahoma. In his research, Dr, Peterson discovered that as people pray and worship God in tongues, the brain releases two chemical secretions which give our imune systems a 35-40% boost, and promotes healing in our bodies! As amazing as this seems, the secretion comes from a part of the brain which has no other apparent activity in humans. The only way to activate it is by praying in the Spirit (1)

I really wanted to know this two chemical secretions. The tekst directs me to number (1)

number (1)

Result--> Page not found
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Link 2

Is directing me to a book which is not evidence based. I asked you about scientific papers and not books which are based upon stories.
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Link 3

Is not talking about speaking in tongues and immunity system, but it talks about increase and decrease of activity in the brainlobes. And the conclusion was:

Maybe God suppresses the frontal lobes so that critical analytical thoughts do not question his message?

I'm guessing speaking in tongues occurs due to some neurological abnormality. If it becomes possible to fix the abnormality will anyone see this as an attempt to defeat the will of God?

Do you think this is science maybe and i'm guessing
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I will be insha Allah clear: Give me clear evidence. If you don't have clear scientifical evidence, it's not a shame to say: "I don't have this evidence "

We want people to be truthfull.

Everyone can claim he is able to speak in tongues. Iam also able to claim this.
See me speaking in tongues:
BLABLAHAHI WABLANG HABATANG KATANMU BALATAN HIKATAN BALATAN HIKATAN .HITAKAN KITANAHAN.

and also when they ask me to drink poison, i say the same as you. The problem is solved.

Thanks,

Imad
 

jamafg

Junior Member
I request all my brothers and sisters of Islam, to not saying Salam Alik to a non Muslim. It's strongly prohibited.
I hope you don't mind and just following the teaching and commands of Holy Qur’an and Sunnah.
Jazakom Allah-o- Khairan
 
Salaam brother Imad,

Even in the 2nd link, at the very bottom they say the same exact thing!! This looks like a distorted chain letter passed to different websites. It too does not not explain this "secretion."

This is from Dr. Clark Peterson of ORU in Tulsa, OK. He is a brain specialist and was doing research on the relationship between the brain and praying or speaking in tongues. Some amazing things were discovered?

Through research and testing, He found that as we pray in the Spirit of Worship, in the Spirit (our heavenly language) there is activity that begins in our brain. As we engage in our heavenly language, the brain releases two chemical secretions that are directed into our immune systems giving a 35 to 40 percent boost in the immune system. This promotes healing with in our bodies.

Amazingly, this secretion is triggered from a part of the brain that has no other apparent activity in humans and we don't use it. It is only activated by our Spirit-led prayer and worship. We need to pray in our prayer language more that we ever have before.
 

leandra

New Member
Thats lovely that priest and yada yada have reverted to Islam.
But a great amount of Muslims have reverted to Christianity too.

John 1:1
In the Beginning was the Word(Jesus)
and the Word(Jesus) was with GOD
and the Word(Jesus) was GOD.

John 1:2
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

John 1:14
And the Word(Jesus) became flesh.
and dwelt among us , and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.


John 3:16
For GOD so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, and whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

John 3:3
Jesus says:
Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly I say to you, unless one is born again, he can not see the kingdom of GOD."

Matthew 10:32-33
Jesus said:
(32)"Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in Heaven."
(33) " But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father in Heaven."

Phillipians 2:5-11
(5)Let this mind be in you which was also in Jesus Christ,
(6)who, being in the form of GOD, did not consider it robbery to be equal with GOD.
(7)but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservent, and comin g in the likeness of men.
(8)and being found in appearence as a man, He humbled Himself and became obediant to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
(9)Therefore GOD has also highly exalted Him the name which is above every name.
(10)that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in Heaven, and those on earth, and those under earth,
(11)and every tounge should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of GOD the Father.

Revelations 22:13
Jesus says:
I am the Alpha and the Omega. the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.

John 14:6
Jesus says:
I am the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

John 5:17-18
Jesus said:
(17)My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.
(18)Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him because He not only broke the Sabbath but also said that GOD was His Father, making Him equal with GOD.





and this is gonna be my last post, because we will never see eye to eye.
Secondly, I did not read those websites I just copied and pasted.
Inshalla you will all see that Jesus is the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE.
 
Thats lovely that priest and yada yada have reverted to Islam.
But a great amount of Muslims have reverted to Christianity too.

Please give me the name of one imam (or what you call a priest in the English world) that has converted to Christianity. Just one. I'd appreciate it. You might want to recheck your statistics, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.

Don't say things without giving proof and that you are 100% sure about the information provided. You failed to show us one simple sentence where Jesus said "I am God, worship me."

Thank you for all your effort and we hope to hear from you again. Knowledge is endless. Who knows what you might learn from TTI and it doesn't necessarily have to be religious subjects. God bless.

Peace
 
my bad up there.. it didnt post.

LINK REMOVED

heres the imam.

theres alot of other videos on this girls page.
watch.

What is this so called "imam's" name?

Please be careful. I think your links are going to get deleted. These videos you post are not real. They have some guy with black hair (stereotype) to make it look like it's your typical Muslim. I was a member of you Youtube before it was sold to the Jewish guy and before it became prestigious. There were NEVER such videos. Once videos of Islam was shown, Christians quickly re-countered with propaganda. You know there are Arab Christians out there too, and many of them speak Arabic but are not Muslim.

The internet is a great source for information but there are many misleading and false information out there too. Stay alert and be cautious. Anyone can create a Muslim & Christian site, then come to find out they were actually Hindu. You get the point.

You have a habit of just googling and youtubing whatever you can find. I'm sure you've never watched those videos yourself nor taken the time to watch the one's on this site.

I understand you are trying to promote your faith to others. Many of the brothers and sisters here are very familiar with the Christian faith. In fact many were once upon a time a Christian. It is not something new to us. Your fundamental beliefs are mentioned throughout the Quran. We love Jesus (pbuh) as much as you and He is a prophet like Job, Isaac, David, Moses, Mohammad, etc, (peace be upon them all) in Islam. The message was clear from Adam (pbuh) to Mohammad (pbuh) to obey God and God alone, do not associate partners with God. Jesus (pbuh) will return on the Day of Judgement to break the cross, kill the swine, and show the truth to the non-believers.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Hello Leander,

By the way you have a lovely name. Would you hang around for an extra minute and let us know what makes you want to learn more about Muslims. That is a sign of intelligence..to want dialogue. Thanks.
 

abou haytam

Junior Member
Hi;

in all those story they saw dreams and become christian. bring me one muslim leaving islam after a critic study to qoran and bible.
 

Munawar

Striving for Paradise
I read the following in the Torah/Old Testament

Genesis Chapter 3

7. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig-leaves together, and made themselves girdles.
8. And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden toward the cool of the day; and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
9. And the LORD God called unto the man, and said unto him: 'Where art thou?'
10. And he said: 'I heard Thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.'
11. And He said: 'Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?'


This is a kind of proof that even Torah/Old testament has been modified and many of its contents were just written by people and not by God. People have fiddled with the original book in whatever way they pleased, and the proof is right here, just look at these three verses:

In verse 8 Adam and Eve heard the voice of God walking in the garden.
In verse 9 God could not find Adam and Eve and said: "Where are you?"
In verse 11 God is 'concluding' that Adam and Eve has eaten the fruits of forbidden tree.

Now let me explain it a little bit - it may be a little funny, but what can I say:
Just like as you and I walk God Almighty walks too. I wonder what kind of shoe he wears, Maybe he wears a Made in China shoe, (just kidding about China) which makes a lot of noise when he walks. That is why Adam and Eve heard him in the garden - you know. :astag:
And then Almighty God couldn't find Adam and Eve. Of course! how could he find them? they were hiding among the trees. Just like you and I God has eyes too and he can only see when light make an impression on the ratina and then his brain interprets that image and determine what he is looking at. So it make perfect sense that God Almighty couldn't see Adam and Eve and he had to ask where were they and to come out of the woods. :astag:
And since Adam and Eve felt naked God Almighty quickly concluded (just like Sherlock Homes) that they ate the forbidden fruit. Hmmmm! :astag:

Wow... This is what they (Jews and Christians) think about the GOD ALMIGHTY and believe it is true.

So now an interesting question arises, which is that if their God couldn't see Adam and Eve hiding in the woods and he had to ask them to come out to see them, and he didn't know that they have already eaten the forbidden fruit and it was Adam who provided the key information which helped God to figure out that they have eaten the fruit, then how this God would know about their (Jews & Christian people's) faith which is basically in their hearts ???

Does anybody know ???

Also, can anyone in their right mind think that a God who cannot even see a man hidding in the bushes can create such a huge universe which contains so many billions of galexies and becomes more complex every time we look deep into it? A God who has created this wonderful nervous, digestive, repiratory, immune and many other systems in human and other living bodies ? Can the image of God coming out of the above verses matches with the complexity of things we see in this universe?
If not then how come these educated people still fall for it and follow this... whatever... and don't open their eyes?

Now compare these verses with what we have been given in Glorious Quran.
I am posting a few verses from Quran. Read and make comparision with these verses and the verses above?

2:255. Allâh! the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists. Neither slumber, nor sleep overtake Him. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on earth. Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission? He knows what happens to them (His creatures) in this world, and what will happen to them in the Hereafter. And they will never compass anything of His Knowledge except that which He wills. His Kursî extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. And He is the Most High, the Most Great.

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67:1. Blessed is He in Whose hand is the Sovereignty, and He is Able to do all things.

67:2. Who has created death and life, that He may test you which of you is best in deed. And He is the All-Mighty, the Oft-Forgiving;

67:3. Who has created the seven heavens one above another, you can see no fault in the creations of the Most Beneficent. Then look again: "Can you see any rifts?"

67:4. Then look again and yet again, your sight will return to you in a state of humiliation and worn out.

67:5. And indeed We have adorned the nearest heaven with lamps, and We have made them missiles to drive away the Shayâtin (devils), and have prepared for them the torment of the blazing Fire.

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57:1. Whatsoever is in the heavens and the earth glorifies Allâh, and He is the All-Mighty, All-Wise.

57:2. His is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth, It is He Who gives life and causes death; and He is Able to do all things.

57:3. He is the First (nothing is before Him) and the Last (nothing is after Him), the Most High (nothing is above Him) and the Most Near (nothing is nearer than Him). And He is the All-Knower of every thing.

57:4. He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days and then Istawâ (rose over) the Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty). He knows what goes into the earth and what comes forth from it, what descends from the heaven and what ascends thereto. And He is with you (by His Knowledge) wheresoever you may be. And Allâh is the All-Seer of what you do.

57:5. His is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. And to Allâh return all the matters (for decision).

57:6. He merges night into day (i.e. the decrease in the hours of the night is added into the hours of the day), and merges day into night (i.e. the decrease in the hours of the day is added into the hours of the night), and He has full knowledge of whatsoever is in the breasts.

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57:20. Know that the life of this world is only play and amusement, pomp and mutual boasting among you, and rivalry in respect of wealth and children, as the likeness of vegetation after rain, thereof the growth is pleasing to the tiller; afterwards it dries up and you see it turning yellow; then it becomes straw. But in the Hereafter (there is) a severe torment (for the disbelievers, evil-doers), and (there is) Forgiveness from Allâh and (His) Good Pleasure (for the believers, good-doers), whereas the life of this world is only a deceiving enjoyment.

57:21. Race with one another in hastening towards Forgiveness from your Lord (Allâh), and towards Paradise, the width whereof is as the width of heaven and earth, prepared for those who believe in Allâh and His Messengers. That is the Grace of Allâh which He bestows on whom He pleases. And Allâh is the Owner of Great Bounty.

57:22. No calamity befalls on the earth or in yourselves but is inscribed in the Book of Decrees (Al-Lauh Al-Mahfûz), before We bring it into existence. Verily, that is easy for Allâh.


BTW... String Theory is just confirming the existance of seven heavens.
We Muslims believe in real Almighty God - Allah (SWT).
 

clovelle

New Member
What is a Born Again Christian?

I agree that we should not judge lest we be judged. Born again Christians sound and act very much like Muslims except that they have sworn an allegiance to the prophet Jesus PBUH instead of Allah SW. We all have similar beliefs and actions and should try and find similarities rather than to dwell on differences. :tti_sister::tti_sister:
 

blackivy393

Junior Member
I agree that we should not judge lest we be judged. Born again Christians sound and act very much like Muslims except that they have sworn an allegiance to the prophet Jesus PBUH instead of Allah SW. We all have similar beliefs and actions and should try and find similarities rather than to dwell on differences. :tti_sister::tti_sister:

i agree, us religous people regardless of religion have to stick together period. because the country we live in is so secular (US), its anti-religion of any kind and anti-morality. Us people who want to live in good wholesome lives and raise our kids right have to stick together
 

Munawar

Striving for Paradise
i agree, us religous people regardless of religion have to stick together period. because the country we live in is so secular (US), its anti-religion of any kind and anti-morality. Us people who want to live in good wholesome lives and raise our kids right have to stick together

blackivy393

I have asked this question above but no one answered, so can you tell me this:

(Please first read my above post #176)

If your God couldn't see Adam and Eve hiding in the woods and he had to ask them to come out to see them, and he didn't know that they have already eaten the forbidden fruit and it was Adam who provided the key information which helped God to figure out that they have eaten the fruit, then how this God would know about your faith which is basically in your heart ?????

I do not mean any disrespect, but I can't help but ask this question because I want to know how you reconcile with these things. I mean these verses just jumps out at you and you wonder if the All Mighty God as defined in these verses, is like the guy next door.

And it is possible that there may be many more mistakes like this and I maybe just scraching the surface right now.
 

blackivy393

Junior Member
blackivy393

I have asked this question above but no one answered, so can you tell me this:

(Please first read my above post #176)

If your God couldn't see Adam and Eve hiding in the woods and he had to ask them to come out to see them, and he didn't know that they have already eaten the forbidden fruit and it was Adam who provided the key information which helped God to figure out that they have eaten the fruit, then how this God would know about your faith which is basically in your heart ?????

I do not mean any disrespect, but I can't help but ask this question because I want to know how you reconcile with these things. I mean these verses just jumps out at you and you wonder if the All Mighty God as defined in these verses, is like the guy next door.

And it is possible that there may be many more mistakes like this and I maybe just scraching the surface right now.



well since christians believe Jesus is the word of God which became flesh(came to earth), which is stated in the bible as well. the voice of God walking in my opinion of would be that of Jesus before he became flesh, how can a "voice walk" otherwise. plus God is seen here interacting with them in a physical level plus didnt know of them eating of the tree. God knows that they ate from the tree because they stated that they were naked and before they ate of the tree had no knowledge or shame.
the tree was going to make whoever knowledgable and since adam and eve wasnt blessed by God with this, there was no where else w

but before anyone screams Jesus wasnt said in the old testament; God is often expressed as elohim, which is the plural and not as eloh- the singular. so God is often refers to himself as we. so elohim is the pluralness of God not , pluralness of Gods
 
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