To the Women-How do you know about slavery and be a muslim?

thesearcher

Junior Member
:salam2:
I am a guy, May I ask how you can know the position and way that a slave girl is treated and still accept islam, it is becomming very difficult on me. And please don't be mad at me people i'm trying everything to learn about it I have gone to so many websites, listened to so many lectures, some people lie some say the truth. what are you views
 

Peace2u

Turn To Islam
Salam

I've posted the below about slavery before and hopefully this will answer your question.

Slaves in Islam – The Concept & Their Rights

By Ebrahim Saifuddin

Slavery is a concept that existed since pre-recorded history. However the way it was practiced in the Islamic world differs greatly than how it was practiced in the rest of the world. Even in the more recent times, centuries after the introduction of Islam, the non-Muslims have practiced slavery in the most barbaric manner. The whole Trans-Atlantic nonsense that was practiced by the Americans is one of the worst forms of slavery man has witnessed. The slaves were not treated as humans and did not have any rights. This way was much similar to the form practiced before the advent of Islam in the Times of Ignorance (Ja’hilah). Islam indeed came as a blessing to all Mankind and it was seen that slaves were given rights, something which the rest of the world never gave them.

Treatment of Slaves

Apart from giving the slaves their rights, Islam also took it a step ahead and discouraged slavery from being practiced. It is seen in history that slaves were mistreated in the non-Islamic world. Not only were they verbally abused, they were physically abused as well. The master would overburden the slave and make them work all day. Slaves would wear torn and tattered clothes while the masters would dress with the finest threads available. When it would come to food, the slaves would get leftovers or if not, very little food which would certainly not include good quality food. Some would not even get meat or fruits which their masters ate. Prophet Muhammad(saw) with Divine Inspiration from Allah(swt) forbade such acts. Masters could not abuse their slaves and had to give them the same that they ate and wore.

Narated by Al-Ma’rur: At Ar-Rabadha I met Abu Dhar who was wearing a cloak, and his slave, too, was wearing a similar one. I asked about the reason for it. He replied, “I abused a person by calling his mother with bad names.” The Prophet said to me, ‘O Abu Dhar! Did you abuse him by calling his mother with bad names you still have some characteristics of ignorance. Your slaves are your brothers and Allah has put them under your command. So whoever has a brother under his command should feed him of what he eats and dress him of what he wears. Do not ask them (slaves) to do things beyond their capacity (power) and if you do so, then help them.’” – [Bukhari, Vol.1, Book 2, #29]

The introduction of Islam and with the application of Islam by Muslims, slavery had a new meaning altogether. It no longer meant that you have a beast under your control and hence you could abuse it, make it work like a donkey all day and at the end of the day give it crumbs to eat so that it stays alive. Islam made it clear to every follower that a human being who is a slave is yet the brother of a Muslim and the slave had their rights which is compulsory for a Muslim to fulfill. It taught that slaves and masters are equal in the sights of Allah(swt) and if a Muslim was given a brother under his command then he had to make sure that the brother was given the rights which Islam prescribed.

In another narration the importance of giving slaves education and teaching them good manners is stressed by Prophet Muhammad(saw):

Narrated Abu Burda’s father: Allah’s Apostle said “Three persons will have a double reward:

1. A Person from the people of the scriptures who believed in his prophet (Jesus or Moses) and then believed in the Prophet Muhammad (i .e. has embraced Islam).
2. A slave who discharges his duties to Allah and his master.
3. A master of a woman-slave who teaches her good manners and educates her in the best possible way (the religion) and manumits her and then marries her.” – [Bukhari Vol.1, Book 3, #97A]

Here it is seen that not only education has been given importance but slavery is also discouraged. It is well known that a person belonging to the People of the Book would receive a double reward for accepting Islam. Similarly the same double reward is offered to a person who would free his woman-slave and marry her after giving her education and teaching her good manners. This way slavery is discouraged in the Islamic world. The Muslims were also forbidden from forcing their slave-girls into prostitution so that they would earn money out of it. There was an incident when the slave-girl of an Ansari was forced after which a verse relating to the act was revealed by Allah(swt).

Narated by Jabir ibn Abdullah: Musaykah, a slave-girl of some Ansari, came and said: My master forces me to commit fornication. Thereupon the following verse was revealed: “But force not your maids to prostitution (when they desire chastity).” – [Abu Dawud, Book 6, #2304]

The Lessons of Equality

There can be found numerous evidences in the Islamic traditions which teach us that slaves are to be treated like any other human being. Prophet Muhammad(saw) has taught us that slaves are equal to everyone else. People belonging to the days of ignorance would not stand next to a slave while Muslims stand next to them in prayers showing a sign of unity and uniformity in their status in front of Allah(swt). Hazrat Bilal was one of the first slaves to accept Islam. He was tortured by the pagans so that he would renounce Islam and come back to the pagan ways. However he did not reject Islam and adhered to the teachings of Prophet Muhammad(saw). He was also the first person to stand on top of the Ka’aba and give the Adhan (the Muslim call for prayer). It is also important to note that further evidence for the equality and recognition of slaves as normal human beings is seen in the numerous ahadith narrated by the slaves and freed slaves that are considered as true and followed by millions of Muslims in the world today. This means that their testimony is also recognized and accepted. We can also see from the traditions that slaves would not only stand shoulder to shoulder with others Muslims during prayer but would also lead the prayers.

Narrated Ibn ‘Umar: When the earliest emigrants came to Al-’Usba a place in Quba’, before the arrival of the Prophet- Salim, the slave of Abu Hudhaifa, who knew the Qur’an more than the others used to lead them in prayer. – [Bukhari, Vol.1, Book 11, #661]

In the Quran one can see clearly that the woman-slaves and man-slaves who have accepted Islam are better than the free women and men from the disbelievers. Muslims are advised to get the son or daughter married to a woman-slave or man-slave rather than a free woman or man from among the idolaters.

Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters), until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But Allah beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: That they may celebrate His praise. – [Quran 2:221]

Islam goes a step ahead in giving respect to the slaves and it is narrated that Prophet Muhammad(saw) asked people not to refer to a slave saying “this is my slave” but rather to say “this is my man” or “this is my woman”.

Islam Stresses on Freeing Slaves

Importance was stressed upon manumitting slaves a lot by Allah(swt) through his last and final prophet(saw). Even if a disbeliever practiced slave-manumitting before accepting Islam, it is told that he would yet be rewarded for this good deed after accepting Islam. In Islam there is a concept that all good done for the sake of Allah(swt) will be rewarded and all those done for other causes e.g. fame, fortune etc will not be rewarded in the Hereafter. Manumitting slaves is among those good deeds which are rewarded even if done before accepting Islam.

Narrated Hakim bin Hizam: I said to Allah’s Apostle, “Before embracing Islam I used to do good deeds like giving in charity, slave-manumitting, and the keeping of good relations with Kith and kin. Shall I be rewarded for those deeds?” The Prophet replied, “You became Muslim with all those good deeds (Without losing their reward).” – [Bukhari, Vol.2, Book 24, #517]

Allah(swt) through his prophet(saw) stressed the good in freeing a slave. A person once came to Prophet Muhammad(saw) saying that he had sexual intercourse with his wife while he was fasting and thus wished to seek guidance in that matter. The first form of compensation which Prophet Muhammad(saw) informed him of was the freeing of a slave.

Narrated by Abu Huraira: While we were sitting with the Prophet a man came and said, “O Allah’s Apostle! I have been ruined.” Allah’s Apostle asked what was the matter with him. He replied “I had sexual intercourse with my wife while I was fasting.” Allah’s Apostle asked him, “Can you afford to manumit a slave?” He replied in the negative. Allah’s Apostle asked him, “Can you fast for two successive months?” He replied in the negative. The Prophet asked him, “Can you afford to feed sixty poor persons?” He replied in the negative. The Prophet kept silent and while we were in that state, a big basket full of dates was brought to the Prophet. He asked, “Where is the questioner?” He replied, “I (am here).” The Prophet said (to him), “Take this (basket of dates) and give it in charity.” The man said, “Should I give it to a person poorer than I? By Allah; there is no family between its (i.e. Medina’s) two mountains who are poorer than I.” The Prophet smiled till his pre-molar teeth became visible and then said, ‘Feed your family with it.” – [Bukhari, Vol.3, Book 31, #157]

There were times when a slave was jointly owned by two people. In such cases there were times when one owner, for the sake of Allah(swt) would want to manumit his share in the joint ownership. Under such circumstances it was told that the person manumitting his share of the ownership should also pay for the remaining share to ensure that the slave is freed completely. However if he could not do so, the remaining price would then be estimated and the slave had the right to work and pay the amount required for his freedom to the other owner.

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, “Whoever manumits his share of a jointly possessed slave, it is imperative for him to get that slave manumitted completely by paying the remaining price, and if he does not have sufficient money to manumit him, then the price of the slave should be estimated justly, and he is to be allowed to work and earn the amount that will manumit him (without overburdening him)”. – [Bukhari, Vol.3, Book 44, #672]

Further in the Quran it is seen that people are encouraged to marry the slaves. If a person cannot marry a free woman for whatever reason, to prevent him from committing sin, the Quran asks them to marry from among the slave women.

If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: And Allah hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another: Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable. – [Quran 4:25]

They can take the permission of the master and marry the slave. This was yet another example of Allah(swt) ensuring that slaves would be freed as marriage with the slave of another would make the slave a free person.

Why Gradual Elimination?

There is no doubt that Islam encouraged the freeing of slaves. However one would ask that as slavery is a social disease, why Islam did not make it forbidden. Firstly slavery as seen in Islam is poles apart than the one practiced by those who do not follow the guidelines presented by Islam. Secondly slavery could not have been forbidden in those days. Islam did not allow the selling of free people as slaves. Majority of the slaves were the people captured in the wars fought by the Muslims against the non-Muslims. Due to the lack of prison systems in those days, it was important to keep the captured people as slaves. If these people would be allowed to live freely within the Muslims, they would have regrouped and not only attacked the Muslims but probably would have also tried to assassinate the Sahabah or even Prophet Muhammad(saw). By giving these people as slaves, they were distributed and thus could not regroup and attack the Muslims.

Islam never started slavery and it is well known that slavery was practiced much before the introduction of Islam. Islam actually laid down all the rules so that eventually slavery would be eliminated completely. There are many great rewards for freeing a slave. Allah(swt) has given man all the incentive to free slaves which would in return eventually eradicate slavery completely. Another narration goes as follows:

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, “Whoever frees a Muslim slave, Allah will save all the parts of his body from the (Hell) Fire as he has freed the body-parts of the slave.” Said bin Marjana said that he narrated that Hadith to ‘Ali bin Al-Husain and he freed his slave for whom ‘Abdullah bin Ja’far had offered him ten thousand Dirhams or one-thousand Dinars. – [Bukhari, Vol.3, Book 46, #693]

Islam’s Stand on Slavery

Islam teaches its followers to respect all Mankind regardless of their color, race or their bank balance. Slaves were given rights which were not heard of in other societies. Islam gave them protection and asked people to treat them as brothers and give them to eat of what they ate and to wear what they wore. The Bible too speaks about slaves and lays down laws regarding the treatment of slaves.

“If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.” – [Exodus 21:20-21]

As it can be seen, the Bible allows a person to beat their slave and the master will not be punished unless the slave dies. The slave is treated as a personal property of the master. Islam came to correct such manmade rules regarding not only slavery but a lot of concepts. Islam has been the original advocate for humanity and has always taught men the importance of humanity.

With the introduction of Islam slaves were treated as human beings rather than personal property. Moreover Islam made sure that gradually people will not perform this act and encouraged the freeing of slaves. Manumitting a slave was encouraged for the smallest of reasons. If there was a solar eclipse, people were recommended to free a slave – If there was a lunar eclipse, people were recommended to free a slave. It can be seen that Muslims were encouraged to free slaves for any and every reason. Islam gave security to the slaves and laid down directions so that slavery would eventually be eliminated completely.
 

ShyHijabi

Junior Member
Salaam,

Well it's interesteing actually, Islam is the only religion that had commands from their holy scripture demanding the kind treatment of slaves and encouraged manumission. No other religion has put the kind treatment of slaves into their command structure.

The Quran also states that the value of a slaves soul is equal to any other person. Islam does not put the value of a master over a slave, quite the opposite, that the master has incredible responsibility both spiritually and phsycially towards his slave.

As a woman I feel towards slavery the same way if I were male, since slavery applied to males and females alike in Islam. The difference is a child born from a slave woman and a Muslim male was born free. No other religion has that protection in place. Despite the decry of Christianity towards slavery it is an accepted practice in their scripture without the prtection afforded towards Muslim-owned slaves. In the end the prctice of slavery is being phased out and this become an intellectual exercise as opposed to any real practical application.

Wasalaam
 

zbhotto

Banned
Good Question

Dear brother;
You point out a very nice topic that needs to be clarified. I also study this topic deeply. I got most conviencing answer from a lecture entitled ''Marriage" by Brother Noman Ali Khan at www.youtubeislam.com.

Please visit this site and search by typing Marriage.

I would give you a short reply. There were a lot of widowed, war captives from the Qurayish who do not have any relative alive. In Islamic marriage male and femal must have their won witnesses in the contract. If ony side is missing the witness the terminology marriage should be changed. That is why the right hand poossess was used in such cases in the Koran.

You can also listen to the lecture of Salim morgan in www.youtubeislam.com
where he explains slaves in ISLAM was not salves in any sense.
 

zbhotto

Banned
To Ebrahim Saifuddin

I think your explanation is the best. None needs to go elsewhere to learn why ISLAM did not prohibit slavery.

A person with good heart must be convinced by your answer.

May Allah Reward you with Jannatul Fardos.


Salamualikum
 

kayleigh

Junior Member
Islam is the only religion that gives slaves any sort of rights or status. Why is it that you only have a problem with slave girls and not slaves in general? I don't think it's very relevant today seeing as we don't have those types of wars and slave girls don't really exist. It's not as if, when they did exist, men had the right to rape them. I'm guessing that's one of your objections.
 

thesearcher

Junior Member
Islam is the only religion that gives slaves any sort of rights or status. Why is it that you only have a problem with slave girls and not slaves in general? I don't think it's very relevant today seeing as we don't have those types of wars and slave girls don't really exist. It's not as if, when they did exist, men had the right to rape them. I'm guessing that's one of your objections.
yes, thats what i don't like, its that you don't need a woman's consent to do anything, and also for those who say its not you have to look at this hadith
Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Said said, "We went out with Allah's Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interrupt us, we said, 'How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah's Apostle who is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said, 'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist." (Book #59, Hadith #459)
the problem is how can a woman who's entire adult male side of her family agree to be raped and then sold?
you know what i mean
 

thesearcher

Junior Member
yes, thats what i don't like, its that you don't need a woman's consent to do anything, and also for those who say its not you have to look at this hadith
Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Said said, "We went out with Allah's Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interrupt us, we said, 'How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah's Apostle who is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said, 'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist." (Book #59, Hadith #459)
the problem is how can a woman who's entire adult male side of her family agree to be raped and then sold?
you know what i mean
that hadith was in bukhari
 

thesearcher

Junior Member
I mean here is a simple question,

is it right that anybody when they win a war can kill all the men and take the women as concubines?
Just imagine the americans when they were in vietnam, had they won the war, exterminated the males, and took the viet women as sex slaves we would look at the americans like monsters who have no emotions
but when the sahabah do it they are called the best of creation after the prophets.
Am I crazy here or am I missing something?
 

kayleigh

Junior Member
Where does it say they can be raped? Maybe my knowledge is limited, but everything I've read all says that the slave girls must consent to sex. You don't have the right to rape them. That hadith never gives the men permission to rape the women, nor does it address the issue of consent at all.

I believe you have to put everything into historical context. Fighting wars in the 7th century is completely different than fighting one in 2009. It's an entirely different social and economic structure, which is why the taking of slaves, regardless of gender, was acceptable.

The point of taking slaves wasn't so you could go all out and have orgies with them or something, but it was meant to be a way of supporting women. Back then, women had no real source or survival or income except for their male family members. If all men are dead, they starve and die, and their children die. If they're taken into the home of someone else, they have a means of survival. If they later consent to sex and have children as a result, those children are free and receive some inheritance. But this is completely consensual on their part.

If they're taken as slaves, this doesn't mean they're put to work in the fields sunset to sunrise, or raped and starved or something horrible like that. Slavery like this is nothing compared to how you probably view slavery as it was in North America. They're to be fed and dressed to the same status of the owner and treated with respect. Not beaten, brutalized, raped and tortured like they were in the Atlantic slave trade.

I don't think it's ideal. I mean, I wouldn't want to be a slave and I don't know anyone who would want to be one, but back then it was the reality, and the only way to stay alive. Honestly, I don't really see how this could play out in modern times as warfare is completely different, and even if women are abandoned they have opportunities for survival.
 

mymohsin

Pls mak Duwa 4 me
I mean here is a simple question,

is it right that anybody when they win a war can kill all the men and take the women as concubines?
Just imagine the americans when they were in vietnam, had they won the war, exterminated the males, and took the viet women as sex slaves we would look at the americans like monsters who have no emotions
but when the sahabah do it they are called the best of creation after the prophets.
Am I crazy here or am I missing something?

Salamalaykum Brothers/Sisters,

With due respect may be it was right in your thinking or whatever you may read to kill all mens and take womens as concubines.

For your knowledge my friend before Islam war captives are treated as animals and it was Islam when the first war for Islam war of Badar our Prophet (sas) said to treat the war captives with kindness he didn't order to kill them and go to captive there women nozbilla.

As many bothers and sister has already said. Our Prohohet (sas) said about the slaves that treat them with kindness give them good cloths and food. and TO YOUR DOUBT for the women he said that if you cant control then MARRY them. I am sorry i dont remember the proper hadith number. Masha Allah as you have read sahi Bukhari you can find this and I will be thankfull if you can study the hadith and at what time and at what situation it has been said. If you can workout little then you can see how many hadiths were there in being kind and humble to slave. Good caracteristic is one of the most important teach of Islam so never ever think that Islam will allow for rap or something like that.

Just imagine the americans when they were in vietnam, had they won the war, exterminated the males, and took the viet women as sex slaves we would look at the americans like monsters who have no emotions
but when the sahabah do it they are called the best of creation after the prophets.

Yeah just Imagine what America did in Japan in world war II how many innocent did he killed see in Iraq how many innocent they killed and now saying sorry its a mistake no weapon of mass distruction and so.

Look at the life of Sahabas how many slaves they have free how they have shown mercy at the time of victory over Mecca they have shown mercy to those people who have looted them who have thrown away them from their houses but still for the sake of Allah they have shown mercy. So yeah they are the best people after Prophte's.

Thankyou for your enthusiasm to learn about Islam. If you have any more doubt yeah your welcome with open heart for the sake of Allah.

what ever I have is to my lil knowledge rest Allah knows the best please do correct me if i am wrong for the sake of Allah.
 

a_stranger

Junior Member
Muslems at that time treated their enemies with the laws govering the world at that time but with mercy and humanity......... the women who were left with out support were supported and was taken as wifes (legal contract mulk alyameen) and treated in the best manner .......Is it fair that muslems are taken as slaves by the oppossit side and their enemies are set free??.......still it was a blessing for those slaves who were near the prophet :saw: and his companians the best people ever lived in the world. Allah swt planned for them all that is best. Still we don`t support slavery since it was panned from the whole world ........But we should fight other kinds of slavery that is ruining hearts and minds : i mean slavery of money, lusts, race, fame.......all kinds of evil........Islam is the true call for freedom.
 

safiya58

Junior Member
I mean here is a simple question,

is it right that anybody when they win a war can kill all the men and take the women as concubines?
Just imagine the americans when they were in vietnam, had they won the war, exterminated the males, and took the viet women as sex slaves we would look at the americans like monsters who have no emotions
but when the sahabah do it they are called the best of creation after the prophets.
Am I crazy here or am I missing something?

hi

no this is not right! muslim laws are only guilty for those who believe in it!

you have to understand the time the sahaba lived in is not the same we have now... they won the war they didn´t take ppl with force as slaves but there was this question: what to do with the ppl who are now shelterless and can not care for theirselve due to the war? the women were taken to have shelter and now you can imagine that they had to be glad about it since there was now an oppurtunity for them to survive... with becoming slaves they get rights. cuz islam is a religion it is all about rights... so the slave women were treatten like wifes... and if they didn´t want that they could refuse... in the hadith you mentioned the sahaba (r.a.) asked if it is allowed to forfend...
 

thesearcher

Junior Member
ok guys please don't get mad, its just there is a major doubt and im being serious and not trying to be a hypocrite, and im just searching for the truth
with that said, i can see why to take slaves at that time, but we have to be honest, the women didn't have a choice, i don't like when people lie to make the religion look better, Im sorry if you guys just don't know but here's the proof

Ibn Hazm (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Both slave women and free women are enjoined not to refuse the master or husband if he calls them for intercourse, so long as the woman who is called is not menstruating or sick and likely to be harmed by intercourse, or observing an obligatory fast. If she refuses with no excuse then she is cursed. End quote from al-Muhalla (10/40).
 

thesearcher

Junior Member
Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi that Abdullah ibn umar would say, "A man should not have intercourse with a slave girl except one whom, if he wished, he could sell, if he wished, he could give away, if he wished, he could keep, if he wished, he could do with her what he wanted ." Malik said that a man who bought a slave-girl on condition that he did not sell her, give her away, or do something of that nature, was not to have intercourse with her. That was because he was not permitted to sell her or to give her away, so if he did not own that from her, he did not have complete ownership of her because an exception had been made concerning her by the hand of someone else. If that sort of condition entered into it, it was a messy situation, and the sale was not recommended.
 

thesearcher

Junior Member
Also the hadith I posted earlier, This hadith is narrated by abu said al-khudri and is repeated many many times and is found in many books of ahadith.

I will give a different versions:

Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I entered the Mosque and saw abu Said Al-khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-Azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). abu Said said, "We went out with Allah's Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interrupt us, we said, 'How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah's Apostle who is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said, 'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist." (Book #59, Hadith #459)

Azl(coitus interruptus) is a method of contraception where the man ejaculates outside the woman, and they did this because they didn't want them to get pregnant, because when slave women become pregnant then they become umm walad which is a position close to but not like a wife, and so an umm walad can't be sold or given away etc. so they wanted to have sex with them and then have their price still be high so that they could sell them.
 
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