The Difference between Men and Women in Islam

saif

Junior Member
Assalamu'alaykum,



Thats a heavy statement akhi, within the context of Surah Kaafirun it is statement we reserve for the non-believers.

Allaahu'alem.. surely such a heavy statement is not needed in this context?

Its a discourse between two muslims, not a non-muslim and a muslim.

:salam2:
Agreed. I didn't mean it that way, so I have edited my post. What I want to express was, that we have now come to a point, where further discussion is not needed. You keep your understanding and I have the right to keep mine, as long as I am convinced it is true.
:wasalam:
 

Abu Talib

Feeling low
Does Islam regard men and women as equal?
Is there a mention of the equality of women in the qur'an?

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

This word – equality – which many thinkers in both the east and the west advocate in various fields of life is a word which is based on deviation and a lack of understanding, especially when the speaker attributes this idea of equality to the Qur’aan and to Islam.

One of the things that people misunderstand is when they say that “Islam is the religion of equality”. What they should say is that Islam is the religion of justice.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

“Here we should note that there are some people who speak of equality instead of justice, and this is a mistake. We should not say equality, because equality implies no differentiation between the two. Because of this unjust call for equality, they started to ask, what is the difference between male and female?’ So they made males and females the same, and then the communists said, ‘What difference is there between ruler and subject? No one has any authority over anyone else, not even fathers and sons; the father has no authority over his son,’ and so on.

But if we say justice, which means giving each one that to which he or she is entitled, this misunderstanding no longer applies, and the word used is correct. Hence it does not say in the Qur’aan that Allaah enjoins equality, rather it says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, Allaah enjoins Al‑‘Adl (i.e. justice)”

[al-Nahl 16:90]

“and that when you judge between men, you judge with justice”

[al-Nisa’ 4:58]

Those who say that Islam is the religion of equality are lying against Islam. Rather Islam is the religion of justice which means treating equally those who are equal and differentiating between those who are different.

No one who knows the religion of Islam would say that it is the religion of equality. Rather what shows you that this principle is false is the fact that most of what is mentioned in the Qur’aan denies equality, as in the following verses:

‘Say: Are those who know equal to those who know not?”

[al-Zumar 39:9]

‘Say: Is the blind equal to the one who sees? Or darkness equal to light?’

[al-Ra’d 13:16]

‘Not equal among you are those who spent and fought before the conquering (of Makkah, with those among you who did so later’

[al-Hadeed 57:10]

‘Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allaah with their wealth and their live’

[al-Nisa’ 4:95]

Not one single letter in the Qur’aan enjoins equality, rather it enjoins justice. You will also find that the word justice is acceptable to people, for I feel that if I am better than this man in terms of knowledge, or wealth, or piety, or in doing good, I would not like for him to be equal to me.

Every man knows that he find it unacceptable if we say that the male is equal to the female.”

Sharh al-‘Aqeedah al-Waasitah, 1/180-181

Based on this, Islam does not regard men and women as equal in matters where regarding them as equal would result in injustice to one of them, because equality that is inappropriate is a severe form of injustice.

The Qur’aan commands women to wear clothes that are different from those worn by men, because of the differences in the ways each sex is tempted by the other. The temptation posed by men is less than the temptation posed by women, so the clothes that women should wear are different than the clothes that men wear. It makes no sense to tell women to expose the parts of the body that men are allowed to expose, because of the differences in the temptation posed by a woman’s body and a man’s body – as we shall explain.

Secondly:

There are matters in which men and women are treated differently in Islamic sharee’ah, such as:

1 – Qiwaamah (being in charge of the household)

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allaah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means”

[al-Nisa’ 4:34]

Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

“Allaah says ‘Men are the protectors and maintainers of women’ meaning that the man is in charge of the woman, i.e., he is the leader and head of the household, the one who disciplines her if she goes astray.

‘because Allaah has made one of them to excel the other’ i.e., because men are superior to women and are better than women. Hence Prophethood was given only to men, as was the position of khaleefah, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ‘No people shall ever prosper who appoint a woman as their ruler.’ This was narrated by al-Bukhaari from the hadeeth of ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Abi Bakrah from his father. The same applies to the position of qaadi (judge), etc.

‘and because they spend (to support them) from their means’ refers to the mahr and the spending on women’s maintenance that Allaah has enjoined upon men in His Book and in the Sunnah of His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). So a man is inherently better than a woman, and he is superior to her because he spends on her. So it is appropriate that he should be in charge of her, as Allaah says, ‘but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them’ [al-Baqarah 2:228].

‘Ali ibn Abi Talhah said, narrating from Ibn ‘Abbaas: ‘Men are the protectors and maintainers of women’ means that men are the leaders of women and they should obey them in areas where Allaah has enjoined obedience. Obedience may mean treating his family kindly and protecting his wealth.”

(Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 1/490)

2 – Testimony or bearing witness. The Qur’aan states that the testimony of one man is equivalent to the testimony of two women.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And get two witnesses out of your own men. And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her”

[al-Baqarah 2:282]

Ibn Katheer said:

Two women are to take the place of one man because women are lacking in reason, as Muslim narrated in his Saheeh… from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “O women, give in charity and seek forgiveness a great deal, for I have seen that you form the majority of the people of Hell.” A wise woman among them said, “Why is it, O Messenger of Allaah, that we are the majority of the people of Hell?” He said, “Because you curse too much, and you are ungrateful to your spouses. I have seen none lacking in common sense and failing in religion but (at the same time) robbing the wisdom of the wise, besides you.” The woman asked: “O Messenger of Allaah, what is wrong with our common sense and our religion?” He said: “Your lack of common sense (can be well judged from the fact) that the evidence of two women is equal to that of one man, that is a proof of the lack of common sense, and you spend some nights (and days) in which you do not offer prayer and in the month of Ramadan (during the days) you do not observe fast, that is a failing in religion.”

(Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 1/336)

There may be some women who are wiser than some men, but this is not the usual rule and such women are not in the majority. Sharee’ah is based on what is general and most common.

The fact that women are lacking in reason does not mean that they are crazy, rather their reason is often overtaken by their emotions, and this happens to women more often than it happens to men. No one would deny this except one who is arrogant.

3 – A woman inherits half of what a man inherits.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Allaah commands you as regards your children’s (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females”

[al-Nisa’ 4:11]

Al-Qurtubi said:

Because Allaah knows better than they do what is in their best interests, He made the division of inheritance based on differentiation, because He knows what is in their best interests.

Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 5/164

For example, a man is obliged to spend more than a woman, so it is appropriate that he should have a larger share of inheritance than a woman.

4 – Clothing:

A woman’s ‘awrah includes her entire body. The least that can be said is that she should not uncover anything except her face and hands, and it was said that she should not even uncover that.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allaah is Ever Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”

[al-Ahzaab 33:59]

The ‘awrah of a man is the area from the navel to the knees.

It was said to ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ja’far ibn Abi Taalib, “Tell us what you heard from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and what you saw of him, and do not tell us about anyone else, even if he was trustworthy.” He said, “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, ‘The area between the navel and the knee is ‘awrah.’”

Narrated by al-Haakim in al-Mustadrak (6418); classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 5583.

Other examples include the following, which is not a comprehensive list.

There are other differences between the sexes, including the following:

· A man can marry four women, but a woman can only have one husband.

· A man has the right to issue a divorce and it is valid if he does so, but a woman does not have the right to issue a divorce.

· A man may marry a woman from among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians), but a Muslim woman may not marry anyone but a Muslim.

· A man may travel without his wife or any of his mahrams, but a woman may not travel unless she is accompanied by a mahram.

· Prayer in the mosque is obligatory for men, but not for women; a woman’s prayer in her house is more beloved to Allaah.

· A woman may wear silk and gold, but a man must not wear them.

Everything that we have mentioned is based on the difference between men and women, because the male is not like the female. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And the male is not like the female”

[Aal ‘Imraan 3:36]

The male is different from the female in many ways, in his strength, in his body, in his toughness and roughness, whereas women are soft and gentle.

And men are different in intellectual terms, for men are known for their strength of understanding and their memory as compared to women. Women are weaker than men in memory and forget more than men do. This is well known, for most of the reputable scholars in the world are men. There are some women who are more intelligent and have better memories than some men, but this does not cancel out the general rule. Most cases are as we have described above.

With regard to emotions, men speak of them when they get angry or when they are happy, but women are affected by the slightest emotional effects, so their tears flow at the slightest emotional provocation.

Jihad is obligatory for men, but jihad in the sense of fighting is not obligatory for women. This is the mercy of Allaah towards them, and consideration for their nature.

In conclusion we may say that the rulings for men are not like the rulings for women.

Thirdly:

Islam regards men and women as equally obliged with regard to many acts of worship and interactions with others. For example, women do wudoo’ just as men do, they do ghusl as men do, they pray as men do, and they fast as men do, except when they are menstruating or bleeding following childbirth. Women pay zakaah as men pay zakaah, and they do Hajj as men do, except for a few differences in the rulings. It is permissible and acceptable to buy from a woman, and if a woman gives charity, that is permissible. It is permissible for a woman to set free the slaves that she owns, and there are many other similar cases because women are the twin halves of men, as it says in the hadeeth:

It was narrated that ‘Aa’ishah said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was asked about a man who finds some wetness (on his clothes) but did not have an erotic dream, and he said, “He should do ghusl.” He was asked about a man who had an erotic dream but did not find any wetness, and he said, “He does not have to do ghusl.” Umm Salamah said, “O Messenger of Allaah, if a woman sees that, does she have to do ghusl?” He said, “Yes, for women are the twin halves of men.”

(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 113; Ahmad, 25663. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi, 98)

Conclusion:

Women are like men in some aspects and they differ from them in others. Most of the rulings of Islam apply to men and women equally. In cases where a distinction is made between the sexes, the Muslim regards that as a mercy from Allaah and a sign of His knowledge of His creation, but the arrogant kaafir sees it as oppression and injustice, so he stubbornly insists on claiming that men and women are the same. So let him tell us how a man can carry a foetus and breastfeed it? He stubbornly ignores the weakness of women and how they bleed during their monthly period, and he stubbornly beat his head against the rock of reality. But the Muslim is still at peace with his faith, surrendering to the command of Allaah.

“Should not He Who has created know? And He is the Most Kind and Courteous (to His slaves), All‑Aware (of everything)”

[al-Mulk 67:14 – interpretation of the meaning]

And Allaah knows best.


Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
 

Valerie

Junior Member
I don't know how I feel about all of this. I'll have to sit and read after I'm more awake (hopped out of bed and came straight in here). I understand about the inheritance.. That's not a big deal. I think the main issue I have is that women appear to be children in this. They are disciplined. They lack reason so it takes 2 women to be equal to one man. I'm well aware that my husband and I are not the same, but in our marriage, we're two halves of a whole. I'm sorry. I just really hope I'm misunderstanding this. This might be my roadblock.

I'll be back later. I have to go feed the family and get some stuff done. Hopefully my mind will be clear so I can sit back down here and try and understand what's written here.

Have a good day everyone :)
 

Al-Kashmiri

Well-Known Member
Staff member
:salam2:
Brother Alkashmiri,

I understand that our differences are deep-rooted. You have the right to consider my sources as the ones pleasing the west and I have the right to have my opinion. It is me, who has to be answerable to God, and I am clear in my heart, that I do not prefer some scholars over the others because of pleasing anybody. You may have allergy with using the intellect but that is the only I can differentiate one interpretation from the other and choose the one which seems more truthful to me. But then again, you will say, they are not scholars and the one's you refer to are. I can only say, "to you is your understanding and to me is my understanding.

The topic is closed for me.
Wassalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

As-salaamu `alaykum

When I spoke of intellect, I meant for example, the statement of `Alee, may Allaah be pleased with him, with words to the effect of: "If this deen was based upon the intellect, then the bottom of the khuff would be more deserving to wipe than the top."

If you didn't get that, he's basically saying that if this deen required we accept a proof only by first seeing if it agrees with our reasoning, then we may as well (oppose the sunnah by) wiping the bottom of the khuff, because that is the part which gathers dirt whereas the top is clean (and remember that wiping is for 'purification').

The whole consensus of the salaf saw the act of putting intellect before proof as an innovation. It's a shame the Mu`tazilah who were noted for this are becoming increasingly popular in a modern form. In essence, their argument is the same old trash.

I can't say much about the site, except what seemed apparent. The 'pleasing the West' comment I retract, because I now feel it is an inaccurate statement, seeing I didn't investigate enough. And yes, I have a right to question their scholarship because when I tried to look for profiles/cvs of those who write their articles, I was continually linked to the same picture of Bart Simpson drilling a road.

My disagreements with them aren't enough to say they aren't knowledgeable or scholars like you claim. By saying so, you've resorted to the same old shameful profiling and prejudging of Muslims, as if you know the unseen. This goes back to my main advice to you, study. Perhaps if more time is spent on that than trying to rationalise and counter the conclusions of men who have authority to speak, you'll prosper.

I hope this doesn't apply to you, yet I hope it benefits you, because after reading it again, it's helped me.

Ibn Mas`ūd (رضي الله عنه) would advise his students,

"If your intention is one of these three, do not seek knowledge: To shame the ignorant, or to argue with the Fuqahaa' (scholars), or to cause people to turn their faces in your direction. Intend with your actions and words that which is with Allaah, for indeed that which is with Allaah shall remain and everything else shall perish."

Wa`alaykum us-salaam warahmatullaahi wabarakaatuh
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

Valerie, the Laws that Allah has prescribed for us are correct. Women are never meant to be treated as children. We have an entire Sura devoted to women. Islam came to free women from the oppression of men.
To assist women from being teased and taken not seriously Allah gave us the protection of another believing sister. The second woman serves as a witness. Therefore no one refute the words of two believing sisters. No-one can attack two believing women. The one serves to protect the honor of another.
We are the compassionate sex. We the emotional sex. We can be taken advantage of..and we still are. Just think if your boss calls you in to chew you out and he is a man..in Islam you take a sister in with you and he can not be as demeaning to you. He has to treat you with respect. The presence of another woman keeps people in check. It is yet another of the Blessings of Allah.

When we encounter Islam we have to reeducate ourselves and rethink of why the Laws of Allah are the way they are. Your questions are excellent.
I am an older woman and it was life's experiences that have made me understand to honor and live by the Laws of Allah..they are perfect. I am too simple a human being to worry about the scholars and who is right and who is wrong. I leave that to the scholars. I pray this makes sense to you.
 

Valerie

Junior Member
Thank you, mirajmom, that makes me feel better. Someone actually recommended that I keep an eye out for your posts :)

I wrote the part about being treated as children when I was tired and probably more than a little frustrated. So I apologize.

I can handle laws, as long as I know them, its the interpretation of other people that bothers me at times (which is the reason I left Christianity about 11 years ago... well there were other reasons too obviously).

Thank you :)
 

Um Ibrahim

Alhamdulilah :)
What's the benefit in this thread? seriously?!

:salam2:

As you may or may not know, there seems to be a lot of non-Muslims who seem to be looking for the right info on Islam that visit this website. Let's say a woman who is a non-Muslim reads this thread that was interested in learning more about Islam, her reaction wouldn't probably be a pleasant one after reading about all the things a woman cannot do and a man can do! And she might even change her mind because of this.

There's only a long list of laws and rules, without giving any reason or evidence for it. It would be ok if this website was only for Muslims, but the fact that non-Muslims who are interested in learning more about Islam visit here is a little dangerious because they might think differently about the religion.

Just my opinion

Salam
 

Valerie

Junior Member
That's the spot I'm in right now. I know there are other websites out there, but I like this one because I've met so many kind and helpful people. I do not know any muslims where I live. I did tear up a bit, but that's no one's fault here. I've learned so many good things, I'd hate for a misunderstanding on my part to ruin my feelings about Islam.
 

arzafar

Junior Member
:salam2:

As you may or may not know, there seems to be a lot of non-Muslims who seem to be looking for the right info on Islam that visit this website. Let's say a woman who is a non-Muslim reads this thread that was interested in learning more about Islam, her reaction wouldn't probably be a pleasant one after reading about all the things a woman cannot do and a man can do! And she might even change her mind because of this.

There's only a long list of laws and rules, without giving any reason or evidence for it. It would be ok if this website was only for Muslims, but the fact that non-Muslims who are interested in learning more about Islam visit here is a little dangerious because they might think differently about the religion.

Just my opinion

Salam

sorry but i disagree. We should tell them the truth about Islam. whether they like it or not is none of our business. Allah guides whom He wills and no amount of sugar coating will change that.

but i think people will soon realize that how perfect Islam is. As the modern civilization draws to a close (the oil and other natural resources depleting fast), we will surely see mankind return to its natural order. and that means men will have to be men and women will have to be women.
 

Aisya al-Humaira

الحمدلله على كل حال
Assalamualaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

Allaah subhanahu wa taa'la The Most Wise have created men and women with their own differences either physically, spiritually and intelectually. However, regardless of our differences, men and women need each other in this life. We both have our own important roles and responsibilities in the family and to the society.

The Prophet (PBUH) referred to responsibility in his hadith:
"Each of you is a shepherd and each of you is responsible for his flock. The leader is a shepherd and is responsible for his flock; a man is the shepherd of his family and is responsible for his flock; a woman is the shepherd in the house of her husband and is responsible for her flock; a servant is the shepherd of his master's wealth and is responsible for it. Each of you is a shepherd and is responsible for his flock."
(Bukhari and Muslim), See Sharh al-Sunnah, 10/61, Kitab al-imarah wa'l-qada', bab al-ra'i mas'ul 'an ri'atihi.

But yes, men are the leaders to women as Allaah said in this ayaah :
"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth." An-Nisa',4: 34.

Starting from when a son is born into this world, it is the mother who is the most responsible in bringing up the children (so is the father but mothers are known to be closer to her children), then when the son grows up, he is the one who is going to be a leader whether just being the one who leads his own family or even leading a country. The huge role of the woman to her family is represented in this saying that "The one who rocks the cradle with her right hand rocks the world with her left". Yes, men are the one who would be leading but there is also a saying that "Behind every great man there is a woman".

So you see, both men and women complete each other.


To dearest sister Valerie, may I suggest this book (I attached it below - it is quite lengthy but worth reading :)) that talks about on how an ideal Muslimah really is. As you read through lots of the inspiring stories, you will feel how grateful you are to be a woman and that how Islamic religion has given women more rights than any other religion has, and has guaranteed her honour and pride, giving her recognition which are envied by Western women when they hear about women's rights in Islam. In fact, many women reverted to Islam due to this.
And I hope that may God ease your journey in seeking for the Truth. :)


Waalaykummusalam wa rahmatullah.
 

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Valerie

Junior Member
sorry but i disagree. We should tell them the truth about Islam. whether they like it or not is none of our business. Allah guides whom He wills and no amount of sugar coating will change that.

You're right on that. I would rather know everything rather than what I like personally. The issue I have with this is that... How much of what was said was mandatory and how much was interpretation by a scholar, a translator? I'm working on learning to read Arabic, because I want to know first hand. It's not that I don't trust anyone here, I honestly respect everyone, but I want fact, not opinion. When it comes to religion, sometimes the two are difficult to separate, especially from the viewpoint of someone who is learning (me).

So you see, both men and women complete each other.


To dearest sister Valerie, may I suggest this book (I attached it below - it is quite lengthy but worth reading :)) that talks about on how an ideal Muslimah really is. As you read through lots of the inspiring stories, you will feel how grateful you are to be a woman and that how Islamic religion has given women more rights than any other religion has, and has guaranteed her honour and pride, giving her recognition which are envied by Western women when they hear about women's rights in Islam. In fact, many women reverted to Islam due to this.
And I hope that may God ease your journey in seeking for the Truth. :)

I completely agree on the bolded part. That's exactly how I feel.

Thank you I'll have to check that book out.

To be honest, the part that bothered me that I read was not "my place". I'm a stay at home mom. It's not a place for every woman, but I take pride in feeding my family good meals, teaching my son, making sure my husband looks good when he walks out of the house (I do laundry and ironing). That doesn't bother me because I chose that. The part about intelligence stings a bit. And the urine part was pretty strange, also.

Like I've said, I am just trying to understand and I'm probably reading some things wrong. I'm not questioning Allah or any laws. I'm concerned about human interpretation (and unfortunately for me, not understanding Arabic, everything is an interpretation).

I don't mean to offend, so if I do I sincerely apologize.

Thank you everyone for your time.

Valerie

Edit: I found a section of a book about Islam that I'm reading that is helping me with this. :) I'm sorry I bother you all so much. I know I keep saying I'm learning, but this is important to me. I'm starting to feel that I belong to Islam, and I want to make sure that I make an informed choice. :) And I would rather go through these struggles now rather than later... :) Thank you everyone!
 

Valerie

Junior Member
One last thing and then hopefully I'll stop bothering you all in this thread :)

Regarding this:

7. It’s an obligation to circumcise the man and its sunnah to circumcise the woman.

I'll admit I had to go look up what sunnah meant. So here's what the book I have says:

"The example of the Prophet Muhammad as contained in his hadiths, or sayings, including his actions and silent approval of actions done in his presence."

In the same book it talks about female circumcision, saying that it is a pre-islamic practice still used in a few isolated regions of Africa by Christians, Muslims and others. The end of the paragraph says this: "Female circumcision is absolutely not endorsed in Islam."

So I wanted to ask about this.

Thanks for your time everyone :)
Valerie
 

IslamicGirl24

Junior Member
Assalaam walaikum,

Valerie, the Laws that Allah has prescribed for us are correct. Women are never meant to be treated as children. We have an entire Sura devoted to women. Islam came to free women from the oppression of men.
To assist women from being teased and taken not seriously Allah gave us the protection of another believing sister. The second woman serves as a witness. Therefore no one refute the words of two believing sisters. No-one can attack two believing women. The one serves to protect the honor of another.
We are the compassionate sex. We the emotional sex. We can be taken advantage of..and we still are. Just think if your boss calls you in to chew you out and he is a man..in Islam you take a sister in with you and he can not be as demeaning to you. He has to treat you with respect. The presence of another woman keeps people in check. It is yet another of the Blessings of Allah.

When we encounter Islam we have to reeducate ourselves and rethink of why the Laws of Allah are the way they are. Your questions are excellent.
I am an older woman and it was life's experiences that have made me understand to honor and live by the Laws of Allah..they are perfect. I am too simple a human being to worry about the scholars and who is right and who is wrong. I leave that to the scholars. I pray this makes sense to you.

I have never been able to understand this part..until now. JazakAllah Mirajmom. I can not thank you enough. You made my day..
May Allah swt bless you always. Ameen.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

Sisters you think too much of this simple Believing woman. Allah subhana talla has Blessed me with so much..I just used simple words.

May Allah subhana talla reward you with understanding, me included.
 

Asja

Pearl of Islaam
:salam2:

I have noticed, it was not only one but several posts, which got deleted. It looks like there are more to be deleted.

Please put them back because they have costed a lot of time. You certainly don't want this to end before God, where I will demand for compensation of my time and effort. If there is something wrong in them, then it is my right to get corrected. Even in that case, your case will be poor before God.

:wasalam:

Wa Allaicumu Sallam wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu

Dear brother Saif have patient InshAllah and put your trust in Allah.

I know you gave time and efforts to write the posts that were delated, but InshAllah Allah will reword you for all good that you do and say. Allah is enough for you and for every Muslim, there is no greater protector than Him.

May Allah bless you and keep you always in His mercy.Ameen summa ameen

Assalamu Allaicum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

OK folks. Let me tell you something. Men and women are different. We are biologically, emotionally, and physically different. Hazart Eve was made from the rib of the first man. He wanted something of his to share his burden. We complete each other. That is not news.

The Quran tells us how to share our burdens. The responsibility of tending to that which man wanted to share his life with belongs to man. In an ideal world men would take care of their responsibilities. We would all be following the Laws of Allah as exemplified by our Prophet, may the peace and blessings of Allah subhana talla be upon him.

There is a difference between knowledge and understanding. A scholar has knowledge. However, life gives us understanding. Life is knowledge lived. And the bottom line is this. In the big picture does it really matter how different the urine is. What does that have anything to do with standing before Allah subhana talla on the Day of Judgment.

I have cleaned after two husbands and still clean after two teenaged sons. I deserve blessings based on this alone.

Please can we stop beating a dead horse and use some common sense. Let us not look for divisions even amongst the sexes. Say Allhumdulilla that Allah subhana talla gave you the Believing mothers He did so you are firm believers.


For Muslim men and women,
for believing men and women,
for devout men and women,
for true men and women,
for men and women who are patient and constant,
for men and women who humble themselves,
for men and women who give in charity,
for men and women who fast,
for men and women who guard their chastity,
and for men and women
who engage much in Allah's praise,
for them has Allah prepared
forgiveness and great reward. (33:35)


Please let us remember In the Laws of Equality we women are different but our souls are equal. We are from one soul.
 

kayleigh

Junior Member
Valerie - the most simple explanation I've heard time and time again regarding that statement is that "deficient in intellect" means that women are generally more emotional than men, and "deficient in religion" just means that due to her period, a woman cannot pray all the time.

It is a generalization. It does not mean that all women are emotional and incapable of reason - I'm sure you can think of plenty of men you've met in your life who are less rational and more emotional than the stereotypical woman (I know I have). It doesn't mean that women are stupid, either. again, I'm sure you know plenty of women who are smarter than plenty of men, and vice versa. It's also not meant to be insulting or belittling to women.

also, whether female circumcision is sunnah or not or even forbidden is debatable. It was a pre-Islamic practice and people of other faiths also practice it. You can read the evidences for yourself that argue for or against it. If someone says it is sunnah, that is just the opinion that person follows - not a hard fact. The majority of Muslims do not believe in practicing it.
 

Valerie

Junior Member
Thank you Kayleigh and Mirajmom (and others of course). You both have excellent points. I'm sorry if I caused any problems. I guess I'm too touchy on subjects like this. I left Christianity (about 11 years ago) because I disliked their view on women. I just didn't want to have my heart set on being Muslim and feel the same as I did then. I certainly don't want to confuse opinion with official beliefs, you know?

Thank you again everyone :)
 

kayleigh

Junior Member
Valerie - When I first converted I used to be really touchy about a lot of the subjects involving women. I used to get upset over this exact subject too. I guess you could say I've developed a thicker skin. You have to use rational thinking and logic - not emotion. It is also easy to confuse the things you see on the news or the attitudes and opinions of people on different subjects with what Islam really teaches. If someone says something that makes you mad, don't take their word for it - just research the topic more yourself before coming to your own conclusion.
 

Valerie

Junior Member
Valerie - When I first converted I used to be really touchy about a lot of the subjects involving women. I used to get upset over this exact subject too. I guess you could say I've developed a thicker skin. You have to use rational thinking and logic - not emotion. It is also easy to confuse the things you see on the news or the attitudes and opinions of people on different subjects with what Islam really teaches. If someone says something that makes you mad, don't take their word for it - just research the topic more yourself before coming to your own conclusion.

Thanks Kayleigh, excellent advice. I got frustrated earlier (not because of this thread specifically) but a bit overwhelmed I guess. So I went into the living room to read my copy of the Quran and my "Complete Idiots Guide to Understanding Islam" (yes, this book exists).
 
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