Darwin's Theory

arzafar

Junior Member
It has also been shown by mathematicians and aerodymics eperts that the bumble bee cannot possibly fly. The wings are too small to support its mass. Trouble is nobody bothered to inform the bumble bee and it flies quite happily.
Actually the fish did not transform directly into birds but they went via amphibians and guess what the coelacanth (a primitve fish that still exists)has fins that are very much like stumpy legs which might make it a link to amphibians, which then developed into reptiles and from thence to birds and yes there is a feathered reptile fossil - the archeopterix. So yes there is a fossil trail although it is incomplete.

can evolution via natural selection be modeled aka linearly regressed to make future predictions.

for eg fluid flowing through a pipe can be simulated with finite differences approximation and the predictions made are very accurate. This proves that the theory works for the given constraints/assumptions (the theoretical model is continually improved with more experiments, faster computers etc.)

what predictions can be made through natural selection?
for eg can we predict from among a group of species, exposed to a given environmental scenario, the time (year) of major extinctions or mutations. Evolution is an ongoing process, right?

The experiment (i.e. the species are exposed to the environment for a given time and their behavior is observed) is actually carried out under the given scenario for a few decades. The measurements are upscaled (and regressed if needed since a few decades may not be enough) to compare them with the theoretical predictions. Thus, the quality of the match between the predictions from the theory and the upscaled results from the experiment shall truly reveal the accuracy and completeness of the prevalent theory of evolution.

I'd like to know what predictions have been made till now and how accurate were they?
 

weakslave

Junior Member
Evolution is the atheist answer to God. But can anyone find a replacement for God? No, therefore such a theory is flawed from the beginning and this view does not require justification.

Many people will lie to you about evolution, even educators. Evolution has not been proven, is full of lies and deceptions, incomplete, and best of all: impossible. This all depends on how knowledgeable one is on the subject of evolution, and there is plenty of information on the internet to refute any claim that evolution has any basis.

If a theory is supposed to represent truth, would it contain lies? This is the litmus test for any theory.
 

kayleigh

Junior Member
The term "theory" in the world of science is slightly different than how you use the word "theory" in every day conversation. Isn't gravity technically still a theory? Yet everyone believes that it is a fact.

I also strongly object to any of the members posting on here that evolution = atheism. Many theists believe in evolution, including myself. The theory of evolution has nothing to do with addressing God's existence.
 

Abu Talib

Feeling low
Many Muslims wonder about the theory of biological evolution – the theory that living species on Earth today are descended from others in the past, and that the present diversity of living species we see is a result of descent with modification over the course of numerous generations.

Muslims also wonder about one of the main processes that evolutionary theory proposes to explain how evolution takes place – the process of natural selection. This is the idea that the individuals within a populations of living organism vary in their individual traits – they are not exactly alike – and that the organisms which are most successful at leaving descendants will pass on their unique traits to the next generation at the expense of the traits possessed by less successful organisms in the population, thereby contributing to a long-term gradual change in the suite of traits found within the population.

To start with, it is not our intention in this article to discuss the scientific implications of evolutionary theory. We wish to explore the issue from the perspective of Islamic teachings.

We as Muslims must ask:

Does the theory of evolution – and likewise the theory of natural selection as a mechanism of evolution – conform to Islamic teachings or conflict with them?

Is a Muslim allowed to believe in evolution as a scientific theory as long as he or she accepts that Allah is behind it?

Is a Muslim allowed to believe in human evolution? If not, how can we explain the fossils of upright, bipedal, tool-using apes with large brains that have been discovered?

We wish to re-emphasize that our concern here is not with examining the scientific merits of the theory of evolution. What we want to know is what Islamic teachings have to say about the idea. Whether evolution is true or false scientifically is another matter altogether.

When we look at the sources of Islam – the Qur’ân and Sunnah – we see that, with respect to human beings living on the Earth today, they are all descendants of Adam and Eve.

Allah also says: “O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honorable of you with Allah is the one who is the most God-fearing.” [Sûrah al-Hujûrât:13]

The Prophet (peace be upon him) identified the "male" mentioned in this verse as being Adam. He said: “Human beings are the children of Adam and Adam was created from Earth. Allah says: ‘O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honorable of you with Allah is the one who is the most God-fearing’.” [Sunan al-Tirmidhî (3270)]

We also see that Allah created Adam directly without the agency of parents.

Allah says: “The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: ‘Be’ and he was.” [Sûrah Al `Imrân: 59]

We also know that Eve was created from Adam without the agency of parents.

In the Qur’ân, Allah states clearly: “O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from them twain hath spread abroad a multitude of men and women.” [Sûrah al-Nisâ’: 1]

Therefore, the Qur’ân tells us that Adam and his wife were the father and mother of all human beings living on the Earth today. We know about this by way of direct revelation from Allah.

The direct creation of Adam (peace be upon him) can neither be confirmed nor denied by science in any way. This is because the creation of Adam (peace be upon him) was a unique and singular historical event. It is a matter of the Unseen and something that science does not have the power to confirm or deny. As a matter of the Unseen, we believe it because Allah informs us about it. We say the same for the miracles mentioned in the Qur’ân. Miraculous events, by their very nature, do not conform to scientific laws and their occurrence can neither be confirmed nor denied by science.

What about other living things, besides the human beings living on the Earth today? What about plants, animals, fungi, and the like?

When we turn our attention to this question, we find that the Qur’ân and Sunnah do not tell us much about the flora and fauna that was present on the Earth before or at the time of Adam and Eve’s arrived upon it. The sacred texts also do not tell us how long ago Adam and Eve arrived upon the Earth. Therefore, these are things we cannot ascertain from the sacred texts.

The only thing that the Qur’ân and Sunnah require us to believe about the living things on Earth today is that Allah created them in whatever manner He decided to create them.

Allah says: “Allah is the Creator of all things and over all things He has authority.” [Sûrah al-Zumar: 62]

Indeed, Allah states specifically that He created all life forms: “And We made from water all living things.” [Sûrah al-Anbiyâ’: 30]

We know that “Allah does what He pleases.” Allah can create His creatures in any manner that He chooses.

Therefore, with respect to other living things, the Qur’ân and Sunnah neither confirm nor deny the theory of biological evolution or the process referred to as natural selection. The question of evolution remains purely a matter of scientific enquiry. The theory of evolution must stand or fall on its own scientific merits – and that means the physical evidence that either confirms the theory or conflicts with it.

The role of science is only to observe and describe the patterns that Allah places in His creation. If scientific observation shows a pattern in the evolution of species over time that can be described as natural selection, this is not in itself unbelief. It is only unbelief for a person to think that this evolution took place on its own, and not as a creation of Allah. A Muslim who accepts evolution or natural selection as a valid scientific theory must know that the theory is merely an explanation of one of the many observed patterns in Allah’s creation.

As for the fossil remains of bipedal apes and the tools and artifacts associated with those remains, their existence poses no problem for Islamic teachings. There is nothing in the Qur’ân and Sunnah that either affirms or denies that upright, brainy, tool using apes ever existed or evolved from other apelike ancestors. Such animals may very well have existed on Earth before Adam’s arrival upon it. All we can draw from the Qur’ân and Sunnah is that even if those animals once existed, they were not the forefathers of Adam (peace be upon him).

And Allah knows best.

Source: http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-416-2992.htm
 

arzafar

Junior Member
If anybody has read and understood the prevalent theory of evolution (i haven't) please respond to the following.

can evolution via natural selection be modeled aka linearly regressed to make future predictions.

for eg fluid flowing through a pipe can be simulated with finite differences approximation and the predictions made are very accurate. This proves that the theory works for the given constraints/assumptions (the theoretical model is continually improved with more experiments, faster computers etc.)

what predictions can be made through natural selection?
for eg can we predict from among a group of species, exposed to a given environmental scenario, the time (year) of major extinctions or mutations. Evolution is an ongoing process, right?

The experiment (i.e. the species are exposed to the environment for a given time and their behavior is observed) is actually carried out under the given scenario for a few decades. The measurements are upscaled (and regressed if needed since a few decades may not be enough) to compare them with the theoretical predictions. Thus, the quality of the match between the predictions from the theory and the upscaled results from the experiment shall truly reveal the accuracy and completeness of the prevalent theory of evolution.

I'd like to know what predictions have been made till now and how accurate were they?
 
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