50% against equal rights, for Arabs in Palestine poll

Aapa

Mirajmom
Good morning,

You are doing what I knew you would do.

You make references but can not back them up.

We have a post on Palestine. You bring in polygamy. I question both and you can not answer. I suggest you study seriously. And as I stated before

Where did you read pray tell that in Islam a man is a master because he has testicles. You made that assertion. I demand and wait for your response. If you can not give me a references it justifies my view that everything you have written is in error.

I will rewrite: Where in Islam is it written that a man is a master because he has testicles.
 

Artemis

Banned
Good morning,

You are doing what I knew you would do.

You make references but can not back them up.

We have a post on Palestine. You bring in polygamy. I question both and you can not answer. I suggest you study seriously. And as I stated before

Where did you read pray tell that in Islam a man is a master because he has testicles. You made that assertion. I demand and wait for your response. If you can not give me a references it justifies my view that everything you have written is in error.

I will rewrite: Where in Islam is it written that a man is a master because he has testicles.

If you had actually bothered to read my post you would see that the comment on polygyny (not polygamy) was in response to your bit about me fearing Islam. As you instituted that part of the discussion it was no digression on my part.

And you are doing what I suspected you would do. Ignoring my points and questions, making false accusations, posting your own questions and demanding I respond to them, without responding to mine.

This is a standard tactic and one I no longer fall for.

I will respond to your points/questions when you have reponded to one of mine. One answer will get you several isn't that a good deal?

Or are you demanding what you will not give - answers.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Good afternoon,


The issue is the same. You address a concern in your mind regarding a man with plural wives. You have concerns. My question arises from you.

And once again, as you are not Muslim, I ask you, where is it written anywhere that a man is a master because he has testicles.

I have the vantage of being a Muslim woman. A woman who adores her faith. A woman who is grateful to be a member of Islam. This is my blessing.

I am not playing a game with you. You are the one in need of answers. Now, to help you understand the error in your belief system I ask where on earth did you come up with the fallacy that a man is a master in Islam because he has testicles.

If you can answer this question..and you have written that is your conclusion share with us, enlighten us..give me the reference point of this belief.

You will play word games. I do not have time. You will not have an answer. There is no answer. Your logic is flawed.

I have to attend to prayers. I will come back to read your response.
 

Artemis

Banned
Good afternoon,


The issue is the same. You address a concern in your mind regarding a man with plural wives. You have concerns. My question arises from you.

And once again, as you are not Muslim, I ask you, where is it written anywhere that a man is a master because he has testicles.

I have the vantage of being a Muslim woman. A woman who adores her faith. A woman who is grateful to be a member of Islam. This is my blessing.

I am not playing a game with you. You are the one in need of answers. Now, to help you understand the error in your belief system I ask where on earth did you come up with the fallacy that a man is a master in Islam because he has testicles.

If you can answer this question..and you have written that is your conclusion share with us, enlighten us..give me the reference point of this belief.

You will play word games. I do not have time. You will not have an answer. There is no answer. Your logic is flawed.

I have to attend to prayers. I will come back to read your response.


I am not playing word games.

I have made my suggestion, that you read my post again, you will see that it is broken down into sections each section consists of a quote from you and my response to said point. The part where polygyny comes in is where you asked why I was afraid of Islam and to that ONE SINGLE POINT AND ONLY THAT POINT I replied:-

I do not fear Islam, but when has been quoted on many muslim sites in defence of polygyny that an unmarried woman is common property. When the courts of that religion condemn people of other religions to death on flimsy evidence, when it demands priveliges that it is not prepared to extend unto others, I reserve the right to treat said religion as rather less than friendly.

This reply was in response to this question from you:-

I would like to ask you what is your fear of Islam..

It was not in response to any other point.

Now I have supplied an abbreviated lineage of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (which you claimed had been verified as absolute truth) and you confirmed the basic timeline to the best of your knowledge and I requested information from you about the verification of these slanders (who verified it, his/her qualifications, what peer review it underwent that sort of thing) and you have refused any sort of an answer. This makes me think that you have no such verification or that it is the same word of mouth that had muslims claiming that Jacques Cousteau had converted to Islam (the Cousteau Institute confirmed to me by E-mail that he had not).

You demand answers from me but will not give them yourself, so I will offer this as a compromise:- will you give your absolute word to give me the answers I requested if I answer your question? Simple answer, yes or no will suffice
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Good afternoon,

I do not wish to argue. I have read parts of the Protocols of Zion. I found the introduction and the chapters to be amusing. I say this in all seriousness. I have to use the word plot. It is a plot. A blueprint, in my humble opionion.

Have I seen the original copy. No. Is there a copy in existence. I think so:

http://www.rense.com/general45/proto.htm

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-referenc...ls-folder.html

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...tism/hoax.html

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/proof.html.

The need to have a Zionistic state has long been in the works. This is a given.

My concern is about the treatment of the people of Palestine. My concern is about the murder of the children of Palestine. My hope is to enlighten people to stop this holocaust.

I want the US to stop paying for the bombs that kill my children.

I am not going to respond as I see this is your way of bringing in your agenda to a Muslim website. Now you drop the Cousteau thing?

Please do not put words in my mouth. I can do that all bymyself. Thank you very much.
 

Frank_H_Smith

New Revert 2010
As Salamu 'Alaykum to my brothers and sisters and hello to all non-Muslims:

I don't know much about The Protocols of Zion, but lets look at what they are and if they have any facts in History:

The First Protocol stressed the importance of gaining control of money in order to gain control of a nation:

"...Whether a State exhausts itself in it's own convulsions, whether it's internal discord brings it under the power of external foes, in any case it can be accounted irretrievably lost: It is in our power. The despotism of Capital, which is entirely in our hands, reaches out to it a straw that the State, willy nilly must take hold of, if not it goes to the bottom. ..."

These twenty two videos seem to verify that this is an objective in reality.
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The second Protocol stressed the need to control the press:

"...In the hands of the States of today there is a great force that creates the movement of thought in the people, and that is the Press. ..."

Who controls the media? http://www.realnews247.com/who_rules_america_updated_2004.htm

The third Protocol shows the means of increasing their power:

"...We appear on the scene as the alleged saviours of the worker from this oppression when we propose to him to enter the ranks of our fighting forces Socialists, Anarchists, Communists To whom we always give support in accordance with an alleged brotherly rule (of the solidarity of all humanity) of our social masonry. ..."

For whatever reason, Jews have had a passion for helping the working class organize against business and industry.

The fourth protocol states the need to lesson the peoples faith in God:

"...It is indispensable for us to undermine all faith, to tear out of the minds of the Goyim (Gentile) the very principle of Godhead and the spirit, and to put in its place arithmetical calculations and material need. ..."

Again much of the educated in Universities are Atheist Jews who mock those who live by their faith as being less intelligent. I have had doctors quote Marx that religion is the opiate of the masses. To which I would simply reply what do you do when a patient is in severe pain?

The fifth protocol states the need to create confusion:

"...In order to put public opinion into our hands we must bring it into a state of bewilderment by giving expression from all sides so many contradictory opinions and for such length of time as will suffice to make the Goyim loose their head in the labyrinth and come to see that the best thing is to have no opinion of any kind in matters political. ..."

Well, this isn't happening!


The sixth protocol states the need to create the desire for luxury in the common man:

"... To complete the ruin of the industry of the Goyim ... we have developed among the Goyim the greedy demand for luxury that is swallowing up everything ... We shall raise the state of wages, which however, will not bring any advantage to the worker, for at the same time, we shall produce a rise in prices...In order that the true meaning of things will not strike the Goyim before the proper time, we shall mask it under an alleged ardent desire to serve the working classes and the great principles of political economy about which our economic theories are carrying on an energetic propaganda."

I realize that this is the result of Globalization and International corporations. In the mid 1970s my sociology professor said the world will be run by International Corporations within 30 years.
They do seem to have a lot of clout. The FDA refuses to approve a sweetener and the head of the FDA overrules the committee and then quits to take a job working for the sweetener company.


The seventh protocol states the means to gain control of existing governments:

"The intensification of armaments, the increase of police forces are all essential for the completion of the aforementioned plans. What we have to get at is that there shall be in all the States of the world, besides ourselves, only the masses of the proletariat, a few millionaires devoted to our interests, police and soldiers. ..."

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"... Our directorate must surround itself with all those forces of civilization among which it will have to work. It will surround itself with publicists, practical jurists, public administrators, diplomats, and finally with persons prepared by a special super educational training in our special schools ... For a time until thee no longer be any risk in entrusting responsible posts in our States to brother Jews, we shall put them in the hands of persons whose past and reputation are such that between them and the people there lays an abyss, persons who in case of disobedience to our instructions, must face criminal charges or disappear. This in order to make them defend our interests to their last gasp."

A short while back I read a report that at a Knesset meeting Ariel Sharon had said to his deputy, Shimon Peres---Don't worry about the Americans. We own America. And all along I thought WE owned it.

Not willing to accept that at face value, I contacted a reporter in Hebron to try to verify Sharon's outburst. Sure enough, the reporter told me that news of Sharon's offhand remark had, in fact, been broadcast from an Israeli radio station, and that both Israelis and Palestinians had heard it and were talking about it.
 

Frank_H_Smith

New Revert 2010
As Salamu 'Alaykum to the Muslimoon and Mulimat. And, Hello to all,

It seems to me that we should always investigate those things which we are forbidden to speak against. If shouts of Antisemitism when one asks why does the birth certificates and the records of survivors not support the claim of 6,000,000 jews killed in concentration camps ring out then there must be a reason since we all know that truth withstands scrutiny. If Americans are forced to serve the United Nations and when they state that they joined The United States Military and did not take an oath to protect UN interests, they are court-marshaled and thrown out of the military in disgrace, then perhaps we no longer value the opinions of Thomas Jefferson who said "When the people fear the government you have tyranny. When the government fears the people you have liberty." Or, the warning of Ben Franklin is no longer of any consequence "Those who will give up essential liberty for a little security deserve neither liberty nor security. " And, we all know what George Washington had to say in his Farewell Address about avoiding foreign entanglements . As a veteran of the American Military and as a citizen of The United States it angers and saddens me to see families like the family of Randy Weaver murdered for wanting to try an escape the clutches of the coming powers.

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Artemis

Banned
Good afternoon,

I do not wish to argue. I have read parts of the Protocols of Zion. I found the introduction and the chapters to be amusing. I say this in all seriousness. I have to use the word plot. It is a plot. A blueprint, in my humble opionion.

Have I seen the original copy. No. Is there a copy in existence. I think so:

http://www.rense.com/general45/proto.htm

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-referenc...ls-folder.html

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...tism/hoax.html

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/proof.html.

The need to have a Zionistic state has long been in the works. This is a given.

My concern is about the treatment of the people of Palestine. My concern is about the murder of the children of Palestine. My hope is to enlighten people to stop this holocaust.

I want the US to stop paying for the bombs that kill my children.

I am not going to respond as I see this is your way of bringing in your agenda to a Muslim website. Now you drop the Cousteau thing?

Please do not put words in my mouth. I can do that all bymyself. Thank you very much.

Thank you for your response now I can investigate this.

Now for the response to your question in every copy of the Qu'ran I have read

4:34 starts with the words:-

Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard.

or words to that effect.

Men are in charge, women obey.

Incidentally I happen to egree with you about Palestine, my father was one of the British soldiers who was in Palestine trying to prevent Israel being formed.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

A man having a right over a woman is a blessing. This does not make the marriage a owner/slave relationship.
Marriage by definition is the union of a man and a woman. Call it the merging of ying and yang. It is still the completion of the circle. It is whole. Half would be the same. One half plus one half equals one whole. This is one partnership.
So for the sake of simplicity we have an orange. It is complete. The orange rind becomes the role of the husband. He protects the pulp. The fruit is the role of the wife. She is the delicate juice that sweetens his world. She makes the environment intenally perfect for the seedlings.
Allah subhana talla has provided signs for us to understand the mysteries of our world.

Men in charge women obey...no not really there is something called pillow talk. And every woman knows what I am talking about. That is where the relationship evens out. If you are married you will understand.


Have a good day.

This is not the world of prenuptial agreements. This is the world of souls wedded for the sake of Islam. And remember there is no compulsion in Islam. It is choice.
 

Artemis

Banned
Good afternoon,

I do not wish to argue. I have read parts of the Protocols of Zion. I found the introduction and the chapters to be amusing. I say this in all seriousness. I have to use the word plot. It is a plot. A blueprint, in my humble opionion.

Have I seen the original copy. No. Is there a copy in existence. I think so:

http://www.rense.com/general45/proto.htm

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-referenc...ls-folder.html

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...tism/hoax.html

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/proof.html.

The need to have a Zionistic state has long been in the works. This is a given.

My concern is about the treatment of the people of Palestine. My concern is about the murder of the children of Palestine. My hope is to enlighten people to stop this holocaust.

I want the US to stop paying for the bombs that kill my children.

I am not going to respond as I see this is your way of bringing in your agenda to a Muslim website. Now you drop the Cousteau thing?

Please do not put words in my mouth. I can do that all bymyself. Thank you very much.

Link one is a paper showing the protocols to be false does a very good job - did you read it? Link 2 is broken, link 3 is broken, link 4 goes to a christian fundamentalist site via another broken link, which I am still investigating. Not looking good for these links showing the protocols to be proven true.
 

Frank_H_Smith

New Revert 2010
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Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

I am a Muslim woman and I said I would find time to repost the broken links:

http://www.jewwatch.com/

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2Uxe6Ln7DM


Have fun. I pray you will appreciate the Path to Truth. I have a feeling that you will be reverting to Islam. Insha"Allah such inquiry leads to the only logical decision.


I did answer your first question regarding the equality of women in Islam. I am ready for the next. As you did not respond..I know this to be a good sign. It made perfect sense.
 

Artemis

Banned
Assalaam walaikum,

I am a Muslim woman and I said I would find time to repost the broken links:

http://www.jewwatch.com/

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2Uxe6Ln7DM


Have fun. I pray you will appreciate the Path to Truth. I have a feeling that you will be reverting to Islam. Insha"Allah such inquiry leads to the only logical decision.


I did answer your first question regarding the equality of women in Islam. I am ready for the next. As you did not respond..I know this to be a good sign. It made perfect sense.

thank you for the links, I did not respond because I have not been on the site due to problems at home.

I am glad that you think that the man being in charge, whether he is more intelligent or of better judgement than the woman is a blessing, personally I believe that there should be no one person in overall charge, decisions should be made by the person who is best suited to make them. Unlike Islam.

I will investigate the links although from the source of one - Jew watch seems to me to be the equivalent of Jihad watch. Still, mustn't pre-judge.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

Insha'Allah your problems at home will ease. Please be so kind as to read Brother Frank's post on struggling..it will answer many of your questions and I am going to continue the remainder of my response on that post.
 

Artemis

Banned
Assalaam walaikum,

Insha'Allah your problems at home will ease. Please be so kind as to read Brother Frank's post on struggling..it will answer many of your questions and I am going to continue the remainder of my response on that post.

Thank you,do you know where I can find that? Is brother frank his user name?
 
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