A question from a Christian about a "supposed" contradiction in the Qur'an

ProudToBeaMuslim

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Salaamalikum Brothers and Sisters,
I found this Question posted on Yahoo answers. I am researching an Answer for the Q, but it'll be a great help if the Knowledgeble brothers and sisters here could also help.
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Here's the Q:

Can Muslims please explain this without posting links or telling me how my religion is wrong. Please, just cut to the chase and give me straight answers. People will tell me there are contradictions in the Bible but keep in mind it was written over thousands of years by over 40 different authors. Some were even written on different continents. The Koran was written (mostly) by Mohammad. There is no exuse for one man to contradict himself in his own writings.

In Sura 3:42, 45 SEVERAL angels appear to Mary in the annunciation of the birth of Jesus.
In Sura 19:17-21 only ONE angel appears to the virgin Mary.

Sura 2:29 says the earth was created first and then heaven.
Sura 49:27-30 says the heaven was created first and then the earth was created

Sura 22:47 and 32:5 Allah's day is equal to 1,000 human years.
Sura 70:4, Allah's day is equal to 50,000 human years.

For those who say Christianity has been currupted. Christianity is basically belief in Jesus as the son of God and that He died for our sins and submitting our lives to Him. That's what Christianity has ALWAYS been. Even if you claim the Bible to be currupted, we still have the original text.
 

sliver

Junior Member
I think some of the muslim brothers and sisters there answered him well. But come on he wont listen just come up more nonsense.

I mean his bases is that "jesus died for our sins" if that is true that means all the people before died in sins. If not then what was the point.

There's a website deals with these kind of people www.answeringchristanity.com
 
:salam2: I dont know which translation you have. I am checking mine
surah3:42 does use angels but surah 19:17-21 has nothing to do with mary so you are wrong there.
surah 2:29 has nothing to do with what he created first. You have some wrong version maybe the furqan that has been created by the jews to confuse people.surah 49 only has 18 ayahs so how did you get 27-30
and surah70:4 is talking about something else. You really need to read before you put these things online.
 

besmiralalbani

Think for yourself
salam alaykum

Alhamdulilah,

malyka that is the plural of malak and linguistically can be used in singular. In Qur'an there are other examples that speak about Jibreel (alayhi sallam) in plural. And this is a form of honouring, and this is permissible in Arabic language. As you know, and your friend must know too, Jibreel (alayhi sallam) is the angel that has sent all the revelations from Allah down in earth. So he is very important for us and christians too.

If you ask your christian friend:
The church has decided to make this decision.
That does not mean that are all of them.

Anyway, we have to learn certain rules in the Qur'an if we want to understand it properly. And when we make this comparations, or when we analyse the Qur'an we have to know Arabic language, their expressions, its form, gramar rules then we study the SCIENCE of the Qur'an (Tafseer). How the Prophet -salallahu alayhi wa sallam- teached us the Qur'an and how the Sahaba -radiallahu anhum- put it in practice.

Or at least brother you can make an effort to read TAFSEER IBN KATHEER. It is a base for us for understanding the Qur'an.
Ibn Katheer is based on the general rules of Tafseer that are:

1- An explanation of one aya, with another aya (verse) which explains it in details
2- Explanation of the aya with a Hadith (by his -salallahu alayhi wa sallam- words and actions)
3- Interpretation of the Sahaba -radiallahu anhum- that lived with the Prophet - salallahu alayhi wa sallam- and applied the Qur'an as they understood it by the Prophet - salallahu alayhi wa sallam- and they trasmitted the interpretation to us.
4- Tabeen (Those that have lived with the Companions of the Prophet (radiallahu anhum) but they didn't see the Prophet - salallahu alayhi wa sallam-)
5- To understand an aya, we have to see the motive why this aya has been brought. Sometimes some aya are brought to comment an event that happened in that time and we have to know that event which helps us to understand the meaning of the aya.
6- And the linguistic meaning of the aya, and the rules of Arabic grammar.
7- The scientist of the Tafseer has to know all this things when he comments an aya.

This is why the Qur'an is a miracle, because Arabic language is very rich in terminology, meanings and rules.
But the condition is to learn it and then speak about it.
If you read the book Kitabul Tawheed of Muhammad Abdul Wahhab, that Salih al Fawzan has commented, and you can find it in english on abdurrahman.org , you will realise that he makes comments on what a word means linguistically than he comments the frases.

and one more thing Muhammad SAW did not write the Quran Allah did .

Sister the Qur'an is the word of Allah, but His Messenger -salallahu alayhi wa sallam- wrote it.

Salam Alaykum brother and sisters and I hope Allah will give us the right guidance and the right knowledge.

Sorry for my english, I hope it is comprehensible.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

It is not your English, rather, your total response was clear and concise. This was beneficial to many. I thank you for helping many of us respond to such questions.
 

revert2007

Love Fishing
Salaamalikum Brothers and Sisters,
I found this Question posted on Yahoo answers. I am researching an Answer for the Q, but it'll be a great help if the Knowledgeble brothers and sisters here could also help.
=]

Here's the Q:

Can Muslims please explain this without posting links or telling me how my religion is wrong. Please, just cut to the chase and give me straight answers. People will tell me there are contradictions in the Bible but keep in mind it was written over thousands of years by over 40 different authors. Some were even written on different continents. The Koran was written (mostly) by Mohammad. There is no exuse for one man to contradict himself in his own writings.

In Sura 3:42, 45 SEVERAL angels appear to Mary in the annunciation of the birth of Jesus.
In Sura 19:17-21 only ONE angel appears to the virgin Mary.

Sura 2:29 says the earth was created first and then heaven.
Sura 49:27-30 says the heaven was created first and then the earth was created

Sura 22:47 and 32:5 Allah's day is equal to 1,000 human years.
Sura 70:4, Allah's day is equal to 50,000 human years.

For those who say Christianity has been currupted. Christianity is basically belief in Jesus as the son of God and that He died for our sins and submitting our lives to Him. That's what Christianity has ALWAYS been. Even if you claim the Bible to be currupted, we still have the original text.


HIs translation isn't accurate.I do not see any contradictions.IT si his mind which wants to see the contradictiuons as he wish for it.Here it goes what he is trying to prove wrong.


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Behold! The angels said: "O Mary! God hath chosen thee and purified thee chosen thee above the women of all nations.

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Behold! The angels said: "O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter and
of (the company of) those nearest to God;
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It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; Moreover His design comprehended the heavens, for He gave order and perfection to the seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge.

Surah 49-27,30 since when there are more than 18 verses in chapter 49?There are only 18 verses in chapter 49
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Yet they ask thee to hasten on the Punishment! But Allah will ot fail in His Promise. Verily a Day in the sight of thy Lord is
like a thousand years of your reckoning.

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He rules (all) affairs from the heavens to the earth: in the end ill (all affairs) go up to Him, on a Day, the space whereof will
be (as) a thousand years of your reckoning.

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The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a Day the measure thereof is (as) fifty thousand years:

One day with our Lord (means: in the afterlife, after the resurrection) is as 1000 years of our Reckoning (see Surah 22:47). In soerah 70:4 we are told that the Day of Resurrection has a measure of 50.000 years in totality (nowhere does Surah 70:4 us tell that one day with our lord is as 50.000 years of our reckoning). This clearly means that that whole period of the day of Resurrection consists of 50 days/periods, since one day with our Lord is as 1000 years. Therefor the Day of Resurrection has: 50.000 / 1000 = 50 days/periods/stages in it , from which each day/period/stage measures a 1000 years ( see Surah 22:47).

Al-Qurtubi Tafsir 70:4

Imam Al-Qurtubi in his tafsir after citing different views on this topic writes:“Yaman related that 50,000 years refers to judgment day, for in it are 50 stations each of which will last for a 1,000 years…”

the rest you can read here
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"For those who say Christianity has been currupted. Christianity is basically belief in Jesus as the son of God and that He died for our sins and submitting our lives to Him. That's what Christianity has ALWAYS been. Even if you claim the Bible to be currupted, we still have the original text"
Christians chose to belief so and Jesus pbuh has never asked them to worship him.It is very clear that no one dies for anyone's sin.
give him this video that i have compiled from wgat sister Basic Islam posted previously.

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Salaamalikum Brothers and Sisters,
I found this Question posted on Yahoo answers. I am researching an Answer for the Q, but it'll be a great help if the Knowledgeble brothers and sisters here could also help.
=]

Here's the Q:

Can Muslims please explain this without posting links or telling me how my religion is wrong. Please, just cut to the chase and give me straight answers. People will tell me there are contradictions in the Bible but keep in mind it was written over thousands of years by over 40 different authors. Some were even written on different continents. The Koran was written (mostly) by Mohammad. There is no exuse for one man to contradict himself in his own writings.

In Sura 3:42, 45 SEVERAL angels appear to Mary in the annunciation of the birth of Jesus.
In Sura 19:17-21 only ONE angel appears to the virgin Mary.

Sura 2:29 says the earth was created first and then heaven.
Sura 49:27-30 says the heaven was created first and then the earth was created

Sura 22:47 and 32:5 Allah's day is equal to 1,000 human years.
Sura 70:4, Allah's day is equal to 50,000 human years.

For those who say Christianity has been currupted. Christianity is basically belief in Jesus as the son of God and that He died for our sins and submitting our lives to Him. That's what Christianity has ALWAYS been. Even if you claim the Bible to be currupted, we still have the original text.


:salam2:

And (remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah has chosen you, purified you (from polytheism and disbelief), and chosen you above the women of the 'Alamin (mankind and jinns) (of her lifetime)." [3:42] Does it really matter 1 or 100 angels, she was told of her status . The next ayah.
O Mary! "Submit yourself with obedience to your Lord (Allah, by worshipping none but Him Alone) and prostrate yourself, and Irka'i (bow down etc.) along with Ar-Raki'un (those who bow down etc.)." [3:43]
The next Ayah.
This is a part of the news of the Ghaib (unseen, i.e. the news of the past nations of which you have no knowledge) which We inspire you with (O Muhammad ). You were not with them, when they cast lots with their pens as to which of them should be charged with the care of Maryam (Mary); nor were you with them when they disputed. [3:44]
There is no mention, other than that she was told she was chosen and to worship Allah with prayer. The interesting part here this Surah was revealed when the prophet, PBUH was in Madina. Making it of the last ten years of his life, PBUH.

Now we turn to the comparison that they raised:

And mention in the Book (the Qur'an, O Muhammad , the story of) Maryam (Mary), when she withdrew in seclusion from her family to a place facing east. [19:17]

She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to her Our Ruh [angel Jibrael (Gabriel)], and he appeared before her in the form of a man in all respects. [19:18]

She said: "Verily! I seek refuge with the Most Beneficent (Allah) from you, if you do fear Allah." [19:19]

(The angel) said: "I am only a Messenger from your Lord, (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son." [19:20]

She said: "How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, nor am I unchaste?" [19:21]

He said: "So (it will be), your Lord said: 'That is easy for Me (Allah): And (We wish) to appoint him as a sign to mankind and a mercy from Us (Allah), and it is a matter (already) decreed, (by Allah).' " [19:21]

Different time frame or instance of description. As you can see, she, as, was unaware that she will bear a child when the Angel Gabriel approached her in human form. The Surah was revealed in Mecca. The first 13 years of revelation.

So what makes you think there is a contradiction. Did you think thousands upon thousands at that time accepting Islam, would of not noticed. There where so many people accepting Islam, because of the Quran. The prophet's last sermon there is said that there was near 100,000 people there. That not including the so many more out raising the word la illaha il-Allah.

now because I don't have time, I will stop here for now, and return after some time to see if it is answered.

Lastly, the prophet, PBUH, never wrote because he didn't know how to. He might of known the spelling of his name, what it looks like and a few minor common words. He, PBUH was unlettered, meaning he couldn't write or read.

The way he, pbuh, received revelation was through inspiration, it was placed in his heart. When new revelation would come, he would instruct dedicated people to write down the ayah, or surah, or even part of ayah that was revelation. He would then tell them to put it here or there in the order of the Quran. The Quran was revealed in a period of 23 years. Angel Gabriel was in charge of overseeing and communicating with the prophet, PBUH, and making sure of all accuracy. But do remember, the primary method of transmission from one generation to another was oral, but it is backed up with the written. And that mushaf (mistaking called Quran), in your hands is no different than that that was written and is with Allah.

a sorry, br. ayman seems to always be a step ahead of me.
:wasalam:
 

wonnee3

Trying 2 plz ALLAH
:salam2: I dont know which translation you have. I am checking mine
surah3:42 does use angels but surah 19:17-21 has nothing to do with mary so you are wrong there.
surah 2:29 has nothing to do with what he created first. You have some wrong version maybe the furqan that has been created by the jews to confuse people.surah 49 only has 18 ayahs so how did you get 27-30
and surah70:4 is talking about something else. You really need to read before you put these things online.
As Salaamu Alaikhum akhi, i have heard of these books, do u know the names of the writers? So i can let non-Muslims know which ones not to read. ASA
 

besmiralalbani

Think for yourself
salam alaykum

Can you provide some more details or reference for this?

Brother you can read a book called: Who wrote the Quran - memphis dawah
We must say something very important too, to christians or other people who would ask about Qur'aan and Hadeeth: Islam has the chain of trusted narrators, who have transmited all our science in Islam. We (schoolars of islam) know their biography, and know how they were trustful. If we want to know more, we have to read... that's all. Islam is perfect, accurated, and definite. If we ask the other people they would never provide all this answers about their religion, so they have to understand that this is the final messagge that was sent about 1400 years ago, but it remains the only way to help the human beings to worship only one God, and find peace and love in the right path.

Read this article provided from islamqa.com



Who wrote the Qur’aan and how was it put together?.

Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly:

Allaah has guaranteed to preserve this Qur’aan Himself. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)”

[al-Hijr 15:9]

Ibn Jareer al-Tabari said in his Tafseer, 14/8:
Allaah is saying, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (Reminder), i.e. the Qur’aan, and We will guard the Qur’aan against anything false being added to it that is not part of it, or anything that is part of it being taken away, whether that has to do with rulings, hudood punishments or matters having to do with inheritance.

Al-Sa’di said in his Tafseer (p. 696):

It is We Who have sent down the Qur’aan in which there is mention of all issues and clear evidence, and in which We remind those who want to be reminded.

“and surely, We will guard it” means, when it is being revealed and after it has been revealed. When it is revealed, We protect it from the tampering of every accursed devil, and after it has been revealed Allaah instilled it in the heart of His Messenger. Allaah protected the words from being changed and from anything being added or taken away, or from its meanings being distorted. So no one can attempt to distort its meanings but Allaah will guide someone to explain the truth of the Qur’aan. This is one of the greatest signs of Allaah and His blessing to His believing slaves. Another aspect of this protection is that Allaah protects the people of the Qur’aan against their enemies, and no enemy can overpower them and eliminate them.

The Qur’aan was revealed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in stages over a period of twenty-three years. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And (it is) a Qur’aan which We have divided (into parts), in order that you might recite it to men at intervals. And We have revealed it by stages”

[al-Isra’ 17:106]

al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

This means, We have revealed this Qur’aan in stages, to differentiate between guidance and misguidance, between truth and falsehood.

“in order that you might recite it to men at intervals” means, slowly, so that they may ponder and think about its meanings, and understand the different branches of knowledge contained therein.

“And We have revealed it by stages” means, gradually, over a period of twenty-three years.

Tafseer al-Sa’di, p. 760.

Secondly:

Literacy was not widespread among the Arabs. Allaah described them in such terms when He said (interpretation of the meaning):

“He it is Who sent among the unlettered ones a Messenger (Muhammad) from among themselves”

[al-Jumu’ah 63:2]

They used to memorize the Qur’aan by heart, and a few of them used to write down some verses or soorahs on animal skins, thin white stones and the like.

Thirdly:

At first the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade the writing of anything other than the Qur’aan, and he forbade them to write down his words for a while, so that the Sahaabah would focus on memorizing the Qur’aan and writing it down, and so that the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would not be confused with the words of Allaah, and so the Qur’aan was protected from anything being added or taken away.

Fourthly:

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) appointed a group of his companions who were trustworthy and knowledgeable to write down the revelation. They are known in their biographies as those who wrote down the Revelation, such as the four Caliphs, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas, Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan, Zayd ibn Thaabit and others – may Allaah be pleased with them all.

Fifthly:

The Qur’aan was revealed in seven dialects as was narrated in the saheeh hadeeth of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). This was narrated by al-Bukhaari (2287) and Muslim (818); these were the dialects of the Arabs which were known for their eloquence.

Sixthly:

The Qur’aan continued to be preserved in the hearts of the Sahaabah who had memorized it, and on the skins and other materials until the time of the caliph Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him). During the Riddah wars many of the Sahaabah who had memorized the Qur’aan were killed, and Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) was afraid that the Qur’aan would be lost. So he consulted the senior Sahaabah about compiling the Qur’aan in a single book so that it would remain preserved and would not be lost. He entrusted this mission to the chief of memorizers Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him). Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (4986) that Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him) said:

Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq sent for me when the people of al-Yamaamah had been killed [i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against the false prophet Musaylimah]. (I went to him) and found ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), “ ‘Umar has come to me and said: ‘Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Qur'aan (i.e. those who knew the Qur’aan by heart) on the day of the battle of al-Yamaamah, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur’aan may be lost. Therefore I suggest that you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur’aan be collected.” I said to 'Umar, "How can you do something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do?" 'Umar said, "By Allah, this is something good." 'Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allaah opened my heart to it and I began to realize the good in the idea which 'Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). “You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). So search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur’aan and compile it in one book." By Allah If they had ordered me to move one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to compile the Qur’aan. Then I said (to Abu Bakr), "How can you do something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allaah, it is a good thing." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allaah opened my heart to that to which He had opened the hearts of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. So I started looking for the Qur’aan and collecting it from (what it was written on) palm stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, until I found the last Verse of Soorat al-Tawbah with Abu Khuzaymah al-Ansaari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The verse is (interpretation of the meaning):

"Verily, there has come unto you a Messenger (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty...” [al-Tawbah 9:128] until the end of Soorat Baraa’ah (i.e., al-Tawbah).

Then the complete manuscript (copy) of the Qur’aan remained with Abu Bakr until he died, then with 'Umar until the end of his life, and then with Hafsah, the daughter of 'Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him).

The Sahaabi Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him) knew the Qur’aan by heart but he was methodical in his confirmation; he would not agree to write down any verse until two of the Sahaabah testified that they had heard it from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).


This Mus-haf (written copy of the Qur’aan) remained in the hands of the caliphs until the time of the Rightly-Guided Caliph ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan (may Allaah be pleased with him). The Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) had dispersed to different lands, and they used to recite the Qur’aan according to what they had heard of the seven recitations from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and each of their students used to recite according to what he had heard from his shaykh. If a student heard someone reciting in a manner different from what he knew, he would denounce him and accuse him of making a mistake, and this went on until the Sahaabah feared that there would be fitnah (trouble) between the Taabi’een and successive generations. So they thought that they should unite the people in following one recitation, which was in the dialect of Quraysh in which the Qur’aan had first been revealed, so as to dispel any disputes and resolve the matter. ‘Uthmaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) was consulted, and he agreed with this opinion.

Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (4988) from Anas ibn Maalik that Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan came to ‘Uthmaan at the time when the people of Shaam (Syria) and the people of Iraq were waging war to conquer Armenia and Azerbaijan. Hudhayfah was alarmed by their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur’aan, so he said to 'Uthmaan, "O Ameer al-Mu’mineen! Save this nation before they dispute about the Book (Qur’aan) as the Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthmaan sent a message to Hafsah saying, "Send us the manuscript of the Qur’aan so that we may make copies of the Mus-haf and we will return the manuscript to you."

Hafsah sent it to 'Uthmaan. Then 'Uthmaan ordered Zayd ibn Thaabit, 'Abdullah ibn al-Zubayr, Sa’eed ibn al-‘Aas and ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Haarith ibn Hishaam to copy out the manuscripts. 'Uthmaan said to the three men who were from Quraysh (the tribe of which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was a member), “In case you disagree with Zayd ibn Thaabit on any point in the Qur’aan, then write it in the dialect of Quraysh, for the Qur’aan was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthmaan returned the original manuscripts to Hafsah.

'Uthmaan sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'aanic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.

Ibn Shihaab said: Khaarijah ibn Zayd ibn Thaabit told me that he heard Zayd ibn Thaabit say: “When we made copies of the Mus-haf I missed a verse of al-Ahzaab that I used to hear the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) recite. So we searched for it and we found it with Khuzaymah ibn Thaabit al-Ansaari. (The verse was) ‘Among the believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allaah’ [al-Ahzaab 33:23 – interpretation of the meaning]. So we put it in its place in its soorah in the Mus-haf.”

Thus an end was put to dispute and the Muslims were united. The Qur’aan has remained and will remain narrated from generation to generation and preserved in men's hearts until the Day of Resurrection. This is how Allaah has preserved His Book, in confirmation of the verse in which He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)”

[al-Hijr 15:9]

And Allaah knows best.

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