The Top Misconceptions About Islam

muthmainnah

Junior Member
The Top Misconceptions About Islam​

Muslims are violent, terrorists, and extremists!

This is the biggest misconception in Islam, no doubt resulting from the constant stereotyping and bashing the media gives Islam. When a gunman attacks a mosque in the name of Judaism, a Catholic IRA guerrilla sets off a bomb in an urban area, or Serbian Orthodox militiamen rape and kill innocent Muslim civilians, these acts are not used to stereotype an entire faith. Never are these acts attributed to the religion of the perpetrators. Yet how many times have we heard the words 'Islamic, Muslim fundamentalist. etc.' linked with violence.

Politics in so called “Muslim countries" may or may not have any Islamic basis. Often dictators and politicians will use the name of Islam for their own purposes. One should remember to go to the source of Islam and separate what the true religion of Islam says from what is portrayed in the media. Islam literally means 'submission to God' and is derived from a root word meaning 'peace'.

Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world. Perhaps this is because religion doesn’t dominate everyday life in the West, whereas Islam is considered a 'way of life' for Muslims and they make no division between secular and sacred in their lives. Like Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defense, in defense of religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat which include prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops, trees and livestock.

NOWHERE DOES ISLAM ENJOIN THE KILLING OF INNOCENTS... The Qur’an says: "Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors. " (Qur’an 2:190)
"If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things." (Qur’an 8:61)
War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the rigorous conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term 'jihad' literally means 'struggle'. Muslims believe that there are two kinds of jihad. The other 'jihad' is the inner struggle of the soul which everyone wages against egotistic desires for the sake of attaining inner peace.

Islam oppresses women.

The image of the typical Muslim woman wearing the veil and forced to stay home and forbidden to drive is all too common in most peoples’ thoughts. Although some Muslim countries may have laws that oppress women, this should not be seen as coming from Islam. Many of these countries do not rule by any kind of Shari'ah (Islamic law) and introduce their own cultural standpoints on the issue of gender equity.

Islam on the other hand gives men and women different roles and equity between the two is laid down in the Qur’an and the example of the Prophet (peace be upon him). Islam sees a woman, whether single or married, as an individual in her own right, with the right to own and dispose of her property and earnings. A marriage gift is given by the groom to the bride for her own personal use, and she keeps her own family name rather than taking her husband's. Both men and women are expected to dress in a way which is modest and dignified. The Messenger of God (peace be upon him) said: "The most perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner and kindest to his wife."

Violence of any kind towards women and forcing them against their will for anything is not allowed. A Muslim marriage is a simple, legal agreement in which either partner is free to include conditions.
Marriage customs thus vary widely from country to country. Divorce is not common, although it is acceptable as a last resort. According to Islam, a Muslim girl cannot be forced to marry against her will: her parents simply suggest young men they think may be suitable.

Muslims worship a different God

Allah is simply the Arabic word for God. Allah for Muslims is the greatest and most inclusive of the Names of God, it is an Arabic word of rich meaning, denoting the one and only God and ascribing no partners to Him. It is exactly the same word which the Jews, in Hebrew, use for God (eloh), the word which Jesus Christ used in Aramaic when he prayed to God. God has an identical name in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam; Allah is the same God worshiped by Muslims, Christians and Jews. Muslims believe that Allah's sovereignty is to be acknowledged in worship and in the pledge to obey His teaching and commandments, conveyed through His messengers and prophets who were sent at various times and in many places throughout history.

Islam was spread by the sword and is intolerant of other faiths

Many social studies textbooks for students show the image of an Arab horseman carrying a sword in one hand and the Qur’an in the other conquering and forcibly converting. This, though, is not a correct portrayal of history. Islam has always given respect and freedom of religion to all faiths. The Qur’an says: "God forbids you not, with regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them; for God loveth those who are just." (60:8) Freedom of religion is laid down in the Qur’an itself: "There is no compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam). The right direction is distinctly clear from error". (2:256)

Christian missionary, T.W. Arnold had this opinion on his study of the question of the spread of Islam: "... Of any organized attempt to force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population, or of any systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian religion, we hear nothing. Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either course of action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV made Protestantism ..."

It is a function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many examples of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of worship to all religious communities in the city.

Proclaiming to the inhabitants that their lives, and property were safe, and that their places of worship would never be taken from them, he asked the Christian patriarch Sophronius to accompany him on a visit to all the holy places. Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to set up their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the minorities themselves. The life and property of all citizens in an Islamic state are considered sacred whether the person is Muslim or not.

Racism is not a part of Islam, the Qur’an speaks only of human equality and how all peoples are equal in the sight of God. "O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may come to know one another. Truly, the most honored of you in God's sight is the greatest of you in piety. God is All-Knowing, All- Aware." (49:13)

All Muslims are Arabs

The Muslim population of the world is around 1.4 billion. 1 out of 4 people in the world is a Muslim. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the World and North America. They are a vast range of races, nationalities, and cultures from around the globe--from the Philippines to Nigeria--they are united by their common Islamic faith. Only about 18% live in the Arab world and the largest Muslim community is in Indonesia. Most Muslims live east of Pakistan. 30% of Muslims live in the Indian subcontinent, 20% in Sub-Saharan Africa, 17% in Southeast Asia, 18% in the Arab world, and 10% in the Soviet Union and China. Turkey, Iran and Afghanistan make up 10% of the non-Arab Middle East. Although there are Muslim minorities in almost every area, including Latin America and Australia, they are most numerous in Russia and its newly independent states, India and central Africa. There are about 8 million Muslims in the United States.

The Nation of Islam is a Muslim group

Islam and the so called “Nation of Islam'" are two different religions. Muslims consider this group to be just one of many cults using the name of Islam for their own gain. The only thing common between them is the jargon, the language used by both. "The Nation of Islam" is a misnomer; this religion should be called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propagator, Louis Farrakhan.

Islam and Farakhanism differ in many fundamental ways. For example, Farrakhan followers believe in racism and that the 'black man' was the original man and therefore superior, while in Islam there is no racism and everyone is considered equal in the sight of God, the only difference being in one's piety. There are many other theological examples that show the 'Nation's teachings have little to do with true Islam. There are many groups in America who claim to represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims.

Any serious student of Islam has a duty to investigate and find the true Islam. The only two authentic sources which bind every Muslim are 1. The Quran and 2. Authentic or sound Hadith. Any teachings under the label of "Islam" which contradict or at variance with the direct understanding of fundamental beliefs and practices of Islam form the Quran and authentic Hadith should be rejected and such a religion should be considered a Pseudo-Islamic Cult. In America there are many pseudo-Islamic cults, Farrakhanism being one of them. An honest attitude on the part of such cults should be not to call themselves Muslims and their religion Islam. Such an example of honesty is Bahaism which is an off-shoot of Islam but Bahais do not call themselves Muslims nor their religion, Islam. In fact Bahaism is not Islam just as Farrakhanism is not Islam.

All Muslim men marry four wives

The religion of Islam was revealed for all societies and all times and so accommodates widely differing social requirements. Circumstances may warrant the taking of another wife but the right is granted, according to the Quran, only on condition that the husband is scrupulously fair. No woman can be forced into this kind of marriage if they do not wish it, and they also have the right to exclude it in their marriage contract.
Polygamy is neither mandatory, nor encouraged, but merely permitted. Images of "sheikhs with harems" are not consistent with Islam, as a man is only allowed at most four wives only if he can fulfill the stringent conditions of treating each fairly and providing each with separate housing etc. Permission to practice polygamy is not associated with mere satisfaction of passion. It is rather associated with compassion toward widows and orphans. It was the Quran that limited and put conditions on the practice of polygamy among the Arabs, who had as many as ten or more wives and considered them "property". It is both honest and accurate to say that it is Islam which regulated this practice, limited it, made it more humane and instituted equal rights and status for all wives. What the Qur'anic decrees amount to, taken together is discouragement of polygamy unless necessity for it exists. It is also evident that the general rule in Islam is monogamy and not polygamy. It is a very tiny percentage of Muslims that practice it over the world. However, permission to practice limited polygamy is only consistent with Islam's realistic view of the nature of man and woman and of various social needs, problems and cultural variations. The question is, however far more than the inherent flexibility of Islam; it also is the frank and straightforward approach of Islam in dealing with practical problems. Rather than requiring hypocritical
and superficial compliance, Islam delves deeper into the problems of individuals and societies, and provides for legitimate and clean solutions which are far more beneficial than would be the case if they were ignored. There is no doubt that the second wife legally married and treated kindly is better off than a mistress without any legal rights or expermanence.

Muslims are a barbaric, backwards people

Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam was the simplicity of its doctrine-Islam calls for faith in only one God worthy of worship. It also repeatedly instructs man to use his powers of intelligence and observation. Within a few years, great civilizations and universities were flourishing, for according to the Prophet (pbuh), 'seeking knowledge is an obligation for every Muslim man and woman'.

The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas and of new thought with old, brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics, physics, astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and history.
Many crucial systems such as algebra, the Arabic numerals, and also the concept of the zero (vital to the advancement of mathematics) , were transmitted to medieval Europe from Islam. Sophisticated instruments which were to make possible the European voyages of discovery were developed, including the astrolabe, the quadrant and good navigational maps.

Muhammad(PBUH) was the founder of Islam and Muslims worship him

Muhammad (pbuh) was born in Mecca in the year 570. Since his father died before his birth, and his mother shortly afterwards, he was raised by his uncle from the respected tribe of Quraysh. As he grew up, he became known for his truthfulness, generosity and sincerity, so that he was sought after for his ability to arbitrate in disputes. The historians describe him as calm and meditative. Muhammad (pbuh) was of a deeply religious nature, and had long detested the decadence of his society.

It became his habit to meditate from time to time in the Cave of Hira near Mecca. At the age of 40, while engaged in a meditative retreat, Muhammad (pbuh) received his first revelation from God through the Angel Gabriel. This revelation, which continued for 23 years, is known as the Quran. As soon as he began to recite the words he heard from Gabriel, and to preach the truth which God had revealed to him, he and his small group of followers suffered bitter persecution, which grew so fierce that in the year 622 God gave them the command to emigrate.

This event, the Hijra 'migration', in which they left Mecca for the city of Medina, marks the beginning of the Muslim calendar. After several years, the Prophet and his followers were able to return to Mecca, where they forgave their enemies and established Islam definitively. Before the Prophet saw dies at the age of 63, the greater part of Arabia was Muslim, and within a century of his death Islam had spread to Spain in the West and as far East as China. He died with less than 5 possessions to his name.

While Muhammad (pbuh) was chosen to deliver the message, he is not considered the "founder" of Islam, since Muslims consider Islam to be the same divine guidance sent to all peoples before. Muslims believe
all the prophets from Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus etc. were all sent with divine guidance for their peoples. Every prophet was sent to his own people, but Muhammad (pbuh) was sent to all of mankind. Muhammad
is the last and final messenger sent to deliver the message of Islam. Muslims revere and honor him (pbuh) for all he went through and his dedication, but they do not worship him. "O Prophet, verily We have sent you as a witness and a bearer of glad tidings and a warner and as one who invites unto God by His leave and as an illuminating lamp." (33:45-6)

Muslims don't believe in Jesus or any other prophets

Muslims respect and revere Jesus, upon him be peace, and await his Second Coming. They consider him one of the greatest of God's messengers to mankind. A Muslim never refers to him simply as 'Jesus', but always adds the phrase 'upon him be peace' (abbreviated as (u) here). The Quran confirms his virgin birth (a chapter of the Quran is entitled 'Mary'), and Mary is considered the purest woman in all creation. The Quran describes the Annunciation as follows: "Behold!" the Angel said, "God has chosen you, and purified you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him whose name shall be the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near to God. He shall speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall be of the righteous." She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?" He said: "Even so; God creates what He will. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, "Be!" and it is" (Quran 3:42-47)

Jesus (u) was born miraculously through the same power which had brought Adam (u) into being without a father: "Truly, the likeness of Jesus with God is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was." (3:59) during his prophetic mission Jesus (u) performed many miracles. The Quran tells us that he said: " I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it and it becomes a bird by God's leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the dead by God's leave." (3:49) Neither Muhammad (pbuh) not Jesus (u) came to change the basic doctrine of the brief in One God brought by earlier prophets, but to confirm and renew it.

In the Qur’an Jesus (u) is reported as saying that he came: "To attest the law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden you; I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear God and obey Me. (3:50) The Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) said: "Whoever believes there is no god but God, alone without partner, that Muhammad(pbuh) is His messenger, that Jesus is the servant and messenger of God, His word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanating from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be received by God into Heaven. "(Hadith related by Bukhari)
 

Free European

New Member
First of all: I'm not muslim. And I'm not its enemy.

So, you wrote that Muslims aren't violent terrorist. Well, yes, that's true. I think that there's nobody in the world thinking that every muslim=terrorist.
But most of terrorists are Muslim and they kill "in the name of Allah", and that's fact.

Do you call Islam religion of peace? So what about duty of conquiring dar-al-harab and make it dar-al-islam?! Expansion, being in offence is part of Islam. Even I know that...
What about sentences of death for people who converted for some other religion in some Islamic states?! Or for Salman Rushdie? This is peaceful too?!

And the third thing: you wrote that Muslims aren't backward people. Of course, Muslims developed maths, medicine and other siences in early medieval. But it was over 1000 years ago!!
How many famous scientist are Muslims now?! How many Nobel prizes won Muslims?!
My advice is: try to learn your children less Quaran, and more maths, phisics and chemistry!
Peace!:)
 

pcozzy

Junior Member
First of all: I'm not muslim. And I'm not its enemy.

So, you wrote that Muslims aren't violent terrorist. Well, yes, that's true. I think that there's nobody in the world thinking that every muslim=terrorist.
But most of terrorists are Muslim and they kill "in the name of Allah", and that's fact.

Do you call Islam religion of peace? So what about duty of conquiring dar-al-harab and make it dar-al-islam?! Expansion, being in offence is part of Islam. Even I know that...
What about sentences of death for people who converted for some other religion in some Islamic states?! Or for Salman Rushdie? This is peaceful too?!

And the third thing: you wrote that Muslims aren't backward people. Of course, Muslims developed maths, medicine and other siences in early medieval. But it was over 1000 years ago!!
How many famous scientist are Muslims now?! How many Nobel prizes won Muslims?!
My advice is: try to learn your children less Quaran, and more maths, phisics and chemistry!
Peace!:)

:salam2:

You said teach math science religion instead of Quran. How about if you learn for yourself:

Terrorism, the threat or use of violence, often against the civilian population, to achieve political or social ends, to intimidate opponents, or to publicize grievances. The term dates from the Reign of Terror Reign of Terror, 1793–94, period of the French Revolution characterized by a wave of executions of presumed enemies of the state. Directed by the Committee of Public Safety, the Revolutionary government's Terror was essentially a war dictatorship, instituted to. (1793–94) in the French Revolution but has taken on additional meaning in the 20th cent.

Terrorism involves activities such as assassinations, bombings, random killings, and hijackings. Used for political, not military, purposes, and most typically by groups too weak to mount open assaults, it is a modern tool of the alienated, and its psychological impact on the public has increased because of extensive coverage by the media. Political terrorism also may be part of a government campaign to eliminate the opposition, as under Hitler Hitler, Adolf (ä`dôlf hĭt`lər) and others, or may be part of a revolutionary effort to overthrow a regime. Terrorist attacks also are now a common tactic in guerrilla warfare guerrilla warfare (gərĭl`ə) [Span.


Governments find attacks by terrorist groups difficult to prevent; international agreements to tighten borders or return terrorists for trial may offer some deterrence. Terrorism reaches back to ancient Greece and has occurred throughout history. Terrorism by radicals (of both the left and right) and by nationalists became widespread after World War II. Since the late 20th cent. acts of terrorism have been associated with the Italian Red Brigades, the Irish Republican Army Irish Republican Army (IRA), nationalist organization devoted to the integration of Ireland as a complete and independent unit. Organized by Michael Collins from remnants of rebel units dispersed after the Easter Rebellion in 1916 (see Ireland ), it was composed of Peru's Shining Path Shining Path, Span. Sendero Luminoso, Peruvian Communist guerrilla force, officially the Communist party of Peru. Founded in 1970 by Abimael Guzmán Reynoso as an orthodox Marxist-Leninist offshoot of the Peruvian Communist party, the Shining Path turned the most devastating terrorist attacks in history—

prompted calls by U.S. political leaders for a world "war on terrorism." Although the U.S. effort to destroy Al Qaeda and overthrow the Afghani government that hosted it was initially successful, terrorism is not a movement but a tactic used by a wide variety of groups, some of which are regarded (and supported) as "freedom fighters" in various countries or by various peoples. So-called state-sponsored terrorism, in which governments provide support or protection to terrorist groups that carry out proxy attacks against other countries, also complicates international efforts to end terror attacks, but financial sanctions have been placed by many countries on organizations that directly or indirectly support terrorists. The 2001 bioterror attacks in which anthrax anthrax (ăn`thrăks), acute infectious disease of animals

http://encyclopedia2.tfd.com/terrorist


I am lazy right now, but everything you said is the lack of your knowledge. And there should be more said about all your comments.



:wasalam:
 

slaveofAllah88

Slave of Allah (swt)
First of all: I'm not muslim. And I'm not its enemy.

So, you wrote that Muslims aren't violent terrorist. Well, yes, that's true. I think that there's nobody in the world thinking that every muslim=terrorist.
But most of terrorists are Muslim and they kill "in the name of Allah", and that's fact.

Do you call Islam religion of peace? So what about duty of conquiring dar-al-harab and make it dar-al-islam?! Expansion, being in offence is part of Islam. Even I know that...
What about sentences of death for people who converted for some other religion in some Islamic states?! Or for Salman Rushdie? This is peaceful too?!

And the third thing: you wrote that Muslims aren't backward people. Of course, Muslims developed maths, medicine and other siences in early medieval. But it was over 1000 years ago!!
How many famous scientist are Muslims now?! How many Nobel prizes won Muslims?!
My advice is: try to learn your children less Quaran, and more maths, phisics and chemistry!
Peace!:)

:salam2:
Less Quran and more other subjects --> I Know thats the general idea that many non- muslims have is that religion and science doesn't go always hand in Hand ... But thats not the case in Islam. Because Quran verifies many things that modern technology is just discovering.
And famous muslims scientist ... im not sure if you know but all the famoous scientist are mostly Atheist they do connect science and Religion ... and dont you think Nobel Prize and all these are biased (most are given to US scientists), there are many great scientist that are muslims in the world you guys dont hear about it cuz you guyz are so self centered
Plus due to the political problems caused by westerners in our countries we are not even to invest most of our money in research,, but still there are many great scientist doctors, engineers all over the world, you can just live anywhere in Europe or US, the new generation scientist and doctors and engineers are mostly Muslims.

And the incidents you have said are nothing compared to what use to happen in christianity during middles ages
and HITLER ( A CHRISTIAN) whether you guyz admit it or not ... Killed millions of people, caused so much problems and death did you forget that ... maybe you should watch some Holocaust videos. Also, maybe go back in history and see how women were treated in Middle/dark ages, you would people to rot on a board till birds would eat a person alive. Slaves were used a games, people use to shoot their eyes out for joy, barabic people ... Europeans came to North America wiped out most of the species, send most of the species to extinction, barbaric people no respect for nature, no respect for Animals. And what Terrorist ?? defending your country is terrorist ??? Maybe you should actually go and live in Iraq/Palestine/Afghanistan and see What effect your so called DEMOCRACY have.

My sugguestion to you is open your mind, stop your biased comments and learn about Islam and Quran before saying a statement like that
:salam2: ( peace be unto you)
 

pcozzy

Junior Member
:salam2:

In light of my previous post, about lack of knowledge, I suggest take the word of your Noble Prize winner Einstein.


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The Challenge Of The Qur'aan
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Literature and poetry have been instruments of human expression and creativity, in all cultures. The world also witnessed an age when literature and poetry occupied pride of position, similar to that now enjoyed by science and technology.
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Muslims as well as non-Muslims agree that Al-Qur’aan is Arabic literature par excellence - that it is the best Arabic literature on the face of the earth. The Qur’aan, challenges mankind in the following verses:


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And if ye are in doubt As to what We have revealed From time to time to Our Servant, then produce a Soorah Like thereunto; And call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, If your (doubts) are true. But if ye cannot –And of a surety you cannot. hen fear the Fire Whose fuel is Men and Stones – Which is prepared for those Who reject Faith.
[Al-Qur’aan 2:23-24]
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(Al-Qur’an 2:23-24 indicates Soorah or Chapter No. 2 and Ayaat or Verses 23 and 24.)


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The same notation is followed throughout the book. References and translation of the Qur’aan are from the translation of the Qur’aan by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, new revised edition, 1989, published by Amana Corporation, Maryland, USA.
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The challenge of the Qur’aan, is to produce a single Soorah (chapter) like the Soorahs it contains. The same challenge is repeated in the Qur’aan several times. The challenge to produce a Soorah, which, in beauty, eloquence, depth and meaning is at least somewhat similar to a Qur’aanic Soorah remains unmet to this day. A modern rational man, however, would never accept a religious scripture, which says, in the best possible poetic language, that the world is flat. This is because we live in an age, where human reason, logic and science are given primacy. Not many would accept the Qur’aan’s extraordinarily beautiful language, as proof of its Divine origin. Any scripture claiming to be a divine revelation must also be acceptable on the strength of its own reason and logic.
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According to the famous physicist and Nobel Prize winner, Albert Einstein, “Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.” Let us therefore study the Qur’aan, and analyze whether The Qur’aan and Modern Science are compatible or incompatible?
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The Qur’aan is not a book of science but a book of ‘signs’, i.e. ayats. There are more than six thousand ‘signs’ in the Qur’aan of which more than a thousand deal with science. We all know that many a times Science takes a ‘U-turn’. In this book I have considered only established scientific facts and not mere hypotheses and theories that are based on assumptions and are not backed by proof.
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http://abdurrahman.org/science/itIsTruth/ModernScience.html

You know I appologize for not being thorough, but there is a lot of projects that I am doing and Allah privleged me with time to do them. Alhamdilillah.


:wasalam:
 

Free European

New Member
Easy guys, easy:)

Do you know it's interesting in this discussion? You use the same arguments which use Catholic belivers:)

Please, don't let me "watch some holocaust movies". I'm Polish, I know its history better than you from the movies. Brother of my grandfather was killed in contcentration camp...

Anyway, nazism was a atheistic movement. That's true. But how many victims caused religion movements?! How many people lost their lives because the belived in the wrong god?! Milions, even bilions.

You write about all the sins of western man made during the last centuries. But this is past!! European medieval was cruel also because people firmly belived in god. All "holly wars", burned "heretics" etc.
But in XVIII-XIX century we had an epoque of enlightement - Europe matured! Now it's your time:)

You didn't answered about Salman Rushdie. Do you realy think that that guy should be kiled only because he wrote some book??!!
Peace:)
 

New_Muslim

New Member
I am curious, my friend, but have you ever read any information or books from a muslim point of view?

People are flawed and all of the world's religious teachings are intreprated by the aforementioned flawed people. Sometimes, the intreprations are misguided or all togther wrong. Only Allah can show us the truth.
 

slaveofAllah88

Slave of Allah (swt)
Easy guys, easy:)

Do you know it's interesting in this discussion? You use the same arguments which use Catholic belivers:)

Please, don't let me "watch some holocaust movies". I'm Polish, I know its history better than you from the movies. Brother of my grandfather was killed in contcentration camp...

Anyway, nazism was a atheistic movement. That's true. But how many victims caused religion movements?! How many people lost their lives because the belived in the wrong god?! Milions, even bilions.

You write about all the sins of western man made during the last centuries. But this is past!! European medieval was cruel also because people firmly belived in god. All "holly wars", burned "heretics" etc.
But in XVIII-XIX century we had an epoque of enlightement - Europe matured! Now it's your time:)

You didn't answered about Salman Rushdie. Do you realy think that that guy should be kiled only because he wrote some book??!!
Peace:)

:salam2:
ok i apologize that i came out a bit too harsh im sorry i get really frustated when people point fingers at others without actually looking at themselves
about the guy u said i want to point something out
"Rushdie came from a Shi'ite Muslim family"

Most importantly : There are no sects in Islam
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ فَرَّقُوا دِينَهُمْ وَكَانُوا شِيَعًا لَسْتَ مِنْهُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ ۚ إِنَّمَا أَمْرُهُمْ إِلَى اللَّهِ ثُمَّ يُنَبِّئُهُمْ بِمَا كَانُوا يَفْعَلُونَ [٦:١٥٩]
As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.


So if Allah has nothing to do with ppl that divide Islam in sects neither do we, and you cant base some people stupidity on religion

and for your information Hitler was a Christian now you christians refuse it its your fault but in reality he was a christian

this from Mein Kampf:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

Another popular one is this, from a speech in 1922:


"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."

You can say stuff to prove that he didn't act christian or he refused christianity ... Whatever you say he was a christian but we dont believe christianity for that do we bro -- OBVIOUSLY NOT

Then people ( the terrorist) they are doing things against Islam then why do you say Muslims are terrorist thats a fallacy, and if that applies to muslims then i guess you should no problem being called Hitler

If you got offended than so do we

Sorry if I was harsh, but i hope you understand that the actions of some people does not represent the religion itself.
You should find out what the real religion is saying

فَلَنُذِيقَنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا عَذَابًا شَدِيدًا وَلَنَجْزِيَنَّهُمْ أَسْوَأَ الَّذِي كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ [٤١:٢٧]
But We will certainly give the Unbelievers a taste of a severe Penalty, and We will requite them for the worst of their deeds.

ذَٰلِكَ جَزَاءُ أَعْدَاءِ اللَّهِ النَّارُ ۖ لَهُمْ فِيهَا دَارُ الْخُلْدِ ۖ جَزَاءً بِمَا كَانُوا بِآيَاتِنَا يَجْحَدُونَ [٤١:٢٨]
Such is the requital of the enemies of Allah,- the Fire: therein will be for them the Eternal Home: a (fit) requital, for that they were wont to reject Our Signs.

وَقَالَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا رَبَّنَا أَرِنَا اللَّذَيْنِ أَضَلَّانَا مِنَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنْسِ نَجْعَلْهُمَا تَحْتَ أَقْدَامِنَا لِيَكُونَا مِنَ الْأَسْفَلِينَ [٤١:٢٩]
And the Unbelievers will say: "Our Lord! Show us those, among Jinns and men, who misled us: We shall crush them beneath our feet, so that they become the vilest (before all)."

So dont be misled by others study the religion and if you feel like there are some things that are not understandable or confusion than ask
thats the only advice i can offer
:salam2:
take care
 

Hard Rock Moslem

I'm your brother
Easy guys, easy:)

Peace:)

I hope you will take it easy my friend.

You said "most terrorists are muslim", may I know which genius told you that? George Bush? Don't be biased. ETA, IRA, LTTE and so many organisations who are non muslim and are there in US list as terrorist organisations. But on the other hand, no all of them (muslim or non muslim) are terrorist but the west dictate who is terrorist and who is not. Freedom fighthers were hailed as heroes once upon a time ago. This freedom figthers are the one managed to bring down European's colonialisation after WWII. Learning from the history, natural freedom fighters today are term as terrorist so to discourage them and slowly you want to colonialise again but this time on Islamic countries and muslims. If I fight back, I'm terrorist. Your media will spread the propaganda.

Without doubt as a muslim I acknowledge that Islam is the true religion and is the religion of peace, whether you like it or not. The word Islam it self means peace. It will not turn to other meaning just because somebody say so. In practical, there are black sheep in every communities and that's the fact. There are many black sheeps in christian community too. But I will not say every christians are bad because Islam teach us not to be biased.
Why when a christian or jew murdered somebody, it is nothing to do with religion!!...

...but one Muslim murdered somebody, entire Islam and muslim community are to be blamed?!

Why if your people sacrificed himself to save others life, he is hailed as hero...

..but when Palestinian did the same to save his fellow Palestinian and to reclaim his land you call them terrorist?

To be fair, what is the root of the terrorism? Why there are few muslim groups resort to terrorism? Why LTTE, IRA and ETA (non muslim organisation) resort to "terrorism" (according to most of western countries these are terrorist groups)?

Assuming, today America invaded your country what will you do? Will you welcome them with flowers?

What will you do if someone force break into your house, rape your women, kill harmless children and crush everything on sights? To add salt to injury, the intruder suddenly claim your house and your land ownership!!! Will you give them token of appreciation for what they have done? To add more insults, some leaders will nominate the intruder for Nobel peace award!!!

I agree we did not produce many scientists in this modern days but what is the use of scientist when they develop most advanced weaponary so it can be used to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki and also to kill people in Iraq, Palestine, Afganistan, Vietnam, etc.

Needless to say scientists had brought a lot of benefits especially in the fields of medicine and technology etc.

But we do have few scientists, recently Iran launched their own satelite and former President of India Mr Abdul Kalam is scientist.

Salman Rushdie, you and your western govt defend him because he insulted Islam. I would like to challenged you, can you ask Salman to write offensively about Thai's King or ask him to write badly about zionist. Do you know most countries (non muslim countries included) are imposing capital punishment for treason? Why? I believe in freedom of speech but that doesn't mean someone can write anything and insult anything they want. By the way, you and your people defend him in the name of freedom of speech but unfortunately when Gaza was bombed western media not reporting accurately but has been biased for last 60 years Palestine under zionist occupation.

Islam consider those who wish to denounce Islam as treason, disloyalty and traitor. Of course may be given capital punishment but there are processes before judgement. I'm sure many of you did not spend your time to study what are the processes involve because you need some biased issues to gain mileage. "Don't judge a book by it's cover" it your western language but unfortunately it seem you people do not understand your own languange. I'm aware you maybe Polish.

No country will give roses to someone who betrayed their country but will be charged under treason and may be given capital punishment.

Why when someone threathen or betrayed, being disloyal to his/her country will be given death sentence but when someone betrayed religion of Allah not given death sentence?

There is no compulsion in Islam, I can't take you to Gitmo and torture you until you willing to embrace Islam. Sister Yvonne Ridley (British reporter) was jailed for illegally entering Afganistan, later embraced Islam. She came to my place and told us she was not tortured or force by Taliban (consider terrorist by you and your govt, by the way I do not support plainly all actions taken by Taliban, some I disagree). No one forced her to accept Islam. Can I force you to become my country's citizen? You have to apply for it. Assuming after becoming my country's citizen, suddenly you betrayed the country, you become traitor then you were arrested and given capital punishment. Will you say, "hay!! why are you doing this? Are you forcing me to be good citizen? It's my right to betray or being disloyal? Human rights, freedom of speech, women rights etc etc.". Likewise, Islam is not a joke, not a circus. You can't come in as you wish and you leave as you wish!! No such thing. You want to come in, you study and understand Islam first. You may take 100 years if you wish but no guarantee you will leave that long. After becoming a muslim, you are expected to be loyal to Islam and disloyal to shaitaan. This is not marriage, you marry today and you divorce tomorrow.

Finally dear friend, I tender my sincere apology to you. I've no intention to insult or hurt your feelings. I know my facts, common sense will prevail.

This is a great religion. I've learnt and practised almost every religion under the sky (for 29 years) but only Islam really satisfy me for this life and life after this. I pray to Allah for him to open your heart and gives you guidance.

I'm sorry again if you are offended.
 

Rashadi

Junior Member
Easy guys, easy:)

Do you know it's interesting in this discussion? You use the same arguments which use Catholic belivers:)

Please, don't let me "watch some holocaust movies". I'm Polish, I know its history better than you from the movies. Brother of my grandfather was killed in contcentration camp...

Anyway, nazism was a atheistic movement. That's true. But how many victims caused religion movements?! How many people lost their lives because the belived in the wrong god?! Milions, even bilions.

You write about all the sins of western man made during the last centuries. But this is past!! European medieval was cruel also because people firmly belived in god. All "holly wars", burned "heretics" etc.
But in XVIII-XIX century we had an epoque of enlightement - Europe matured! Now it's your time:)

You didn't answered about Salman Rushdie. Do you realy think that that guy should be kiled only because he wrote some book??!!
Peace:)

For your information, Hitler was not an Atheist but a Christian by his own words and to this day he has never been renounced or was he ex communicated from his church. The reality is that Christians killed people just for religion and forcedfully converted people. Such charges against Islam are not only false but have been long refuted and rejected by scholars and historians. It is only the prejudice, ignorant and those who hate Islam that repeat such slanders. Europe was in the "dark ages" and it was thanks to Islam that it advanced and they learned a great deal from Muslims. This is admitted by western historians as well. Even today the crime rate, murder, rape, etc is extremely high in the west and especially in the U.S and Western European countries but I am sure you are aware of that unless you don't look around.

It is obvious from your post that you are prejudice and you have gotten a lot of information from the false sources. I don't go to a Nazi web site to learn about Judaism and I wouldn't do that with anything. If you want to learn the truth about Islam, then you must go to the source and not to its enemies. No one has killed more people that Christians have and no one has killed more Christians than they themselves did. Christian historians themselves admit that it was Christians who killed people just for religion and forced people at the point of death. Islam has no such history and Muslims had a huge empire but people were never killed or forced to convert to Islam. In a time when Christians were oppressed by their own leaderships, non-Muslims lived in peace, harmony and were successful under Muslims. This is a fact for you and I challenge you to study up on that from real sources and not the opinions and prejudices of certain people. I don't judge Christianity from its enemy sources, but I learn from their sources, I use to be a Christian and there isn't much you can teach me about it which i do not know.

I also made the unfair mistake and never knew Islam from its source but only from the haters and I came to learn that my information was way off. It is absurd and unfair as well. It is understandable that a Christian will feel embarrassed that Hitler was of his religion, yet the same person has no problem slandering Muslims and Islam. I am not saying Christianity should be blamed nor are all Christians bad but it is a fact that Christians killed milions and millions around the world and they killed people just because of religion. It was barely 60 years ago that 6 million innocent Jews were killed by Christians in Europe and they did not crime except that they were viewed as "Christ-killers". Muslims never done such and even these criminals of today who claim to be Muslim would not come close to what Christians have done.

As for the Salman Rushdie which non-Muslim haters of Islam so love and use as an example, it was Khomeini and Iran which wanted him dead. He was never a Muslim and even if was for the sake of arguement, he would have been a shiite and that is different. No Muslim country has called for his death and if it were true then he would have been dead long time ago. It's pathetic and his book, which is bogus, has long been refuted by Muslims. But since you concernede about peoply dying for leaving their former religions, I know of Christians in my native home land(Iraq) who have killed their daughters just for marrying a Muslim and many other ex Christians have been killed, attacked and abused because they chose Islam. I know this may piss you off but in reality no real Muslim has ever left Islam for any other religion because Islam is the truth and it is something we are all born with.

Those "ex-Muslims" which others love to mention are in almost all cases ignorant, arrogant and came from uneducated, poor families and had no real knowledge of Islam. It's not like they do anything as non-Muslims and there are other cases where Christian Arabs pretend to be "ex-Muslims" and they clearly are not. We do not lie and we sure as heck will never lie when it comes to Islam. We do not bribe people, brainwash or twist our religion in order for others to accept. Islam is the complete way of life and the truth brought by all the prophets of God. There is only one God, there is only one way, which is Islam(submission to God alone) and only God alone has the right to be worshiped. Islam does not allow to forcefully convert people nor are people allowed to be wronged, abused or oppressed. Islam offers justice and the leading Muslim populations are found in nations which never saw a Muslim army(Indonesia, Nigeria, etc) and even nations which were for centuries under Muslim rule still have non-Muslims who survived for centuries and to this day.

I encourage you to open your mind and heart. I encourage you to study Islam from its sources and you should also study history from real sources and not propaganda and opinions.
 
Maths, Physics, Chemistry

First of all: I'm not muslim. And I'm not its enemy.

So, you wrote that Muslims aren't violent terrorist. Well, yes, that's true. I think that there's nobody in the world thinking that every muslim=terrorist.
But most of terrorists are Muslim and they kill "in the name of Allah", and that's fact.

Do you call Islam religion of peace? So what about duty of conquiring dar-al-harab and make it dar-al-islam?! Expansion, being in offence is part of Islam. Even I know that...
What about sentences of death for people who converted for some other religion in some Islamic states?! Or for Salman Rushdie? This is peaceful too?!

And the third thing: you wrote that Muslims aren't backward people. Of course, Muslims developed maths, medicine and other siences in early medieval. But it was over 1000 years ago!!
How many famous scientist are Muslims now?! How many Nobel prizes won Muslims?!
My advice is: try to learn your children less Quaran, and more maths, phisics and chemistry!
Peace!:)

As-Salamu Alaikum

Firstly I would like to say that I have a Bachelors and a Masters and my wife has an Honours and a PHD. There is definitely no shortage of educated Muslims.

Secondly the highest PHD's per capita belongs to the Palestinians.

Thirdly even though I am not shia the washingtontimes has published an article that said the Iran is at the forefront of stem cell research way ahead of the rest of the world. Just do a google search for it.

Clearly muslims are smarter than the westerners think we are and they know this but I think are afraid to admit it.
 

alf2

Islam is a way of life
I really hate how people, even Muslims, consider the Nation of Islam a SECT of Islam. Makes me sick! Before I joined TTI, I was going to join another thread, and under the "sect" list (astaghfirallah) it had Nation of Islam. I chose NOT to join over that.

ALSO, for those of you replying to the "free European" person, PLease do not respond to him. He is what we call an "internet troll" It means he makes accounts on sites like this and then PURPOSELY gets them angry.
 
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