U.S is responsible for Egypt´s election joke

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[ 01/12/2010 - 12:12 AM ]
By Khalid Amayreh


There is no doubt that the United States is at least morally responsible for the scandalous election joke which took place in Egypt on 28 November. The brazen falsification of the Egyptian people's will would not have occurred had it been for America's unethical embrace of Mubarak's regime.

With a turnout not exceeding 10-15% of eligible voters, the elections have been described as "brashly fraudulent" and "probably the most fraudulent in Egypt's history."

The elections were marred not by a small number of irregularities. On the contrary, the regime has employed every conceivable illegal, even criminal, method to intimidate and scare away voters suspected of intending to vote for the opposition, especially the Muslim brotherhood.

According to independent sources the regime resorted to widespread fraud, barring independent monitors from polling stations, ballot-box stuffing and vote buying to ensure victory for pro-regime candidates.

In some areas, government candidates were seen passing cash and food to voters near polling stations.

Moreover, the voting on Sunday saw more than sporadic violence. Pro-regime baltagiya or gangs of intimidating young men were seen hanging around polling stations to scare off brotherhood supporters. One woman was quoted by the Associated Press as saying that "people are scared to leave their homes. Everyone is afraid of the thugs."

Another Cairo man said "it would be an insult to language to call what is happening elections."

According to a coalition of local and international human rights observers, the elections "lacked any transparency and were marred by widespread fraud."

In addition to the atmosphere of fear and terror fostered by the security forces and the regime's civilian thugs, independent monitors from human right groups were barred entry. Some were arrested.

One human rights monitor, who had obtained accreditation from the election commission, was quoted as saying that "the security is running the show.

In fact, one could go on and on and one, describing the dirty game of raping the collective will of 80 million Egyptians who tried but failed to restore their dignity and freedom, usurped by an autocratic and corrupt regime.

In his landmark speech in Cairo on 4 June, 2009, President Obama undertook to repair the troubled relations between the United States and the Muslim world. He said "I have come here to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world; one based upon mutual interest and mutual respect."

The American president made numerous other remarks which promised good will toward Muslims in general. He also invoked the spirit of democracy, saying people everywhere should be able to have a say in how they are governed.

"But I do have an unyielding belief that all people yearn for certain things: the ability to speak your mind and have a say in how you are governed; confidence in the rule of law and the equal administration of justice; government that is transparent and doesn't steal from the people; the freedom to live as you choose. Those are not just American ideas, they are human rights, and that is why we will support them everywhere."

In truth, the Egyptian regime wouldn't have reached this level of depravity, corruption, tyranny and repression were it not for U.S. support, acquiescence and silence.

U.S. officials often claim they are encouraging despotic governments in the Arab world to initiate democratic reforms and respect human rights and civil liberties. However, everyone, including the repressive regimes themselves, knows well that the U.S. doesn't really mean it and that all the reluctant and half-hearted public statements about democracy and human rights in countries like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the rest of America's puppet regimes in the Arab-Muslim region are only meant to mislead and deceive the masses.

One actually wouldn't indulge in far-fetched prognostication if one presumed that the U.S. itself privately asks these repressive regimes not to take its human rights-related criticisms too seriously since these criticisms were meant only for propagandistic reasons.

In the final analysis, the U.S. has never ever demonstrated a real, absolute and consistent commitment to democracy and human rights anywhere in the world. This ugly portrait of America's moral duplicity is illustrated by the long standing relations between the big empire and a long list of tyrants, including filthy tyrants, around the world. The list is too long to confine to a few lines.

The American-funded and American-backed tyranny in Egypt is very much reminiscent to US backing of the Shah's regime in Iran prior to the Islamic revolution in 1978. The US gave the Shah all sorts of state-of-the-art weapons, hoping to maintain and perpetuate his grip on power. The notorious Savak was given a free rein to kill, torture, and rape Iranians while the regime made sure to suppress every gesture of public dissent.

Even as the Shah's regime was showing signs of morbidity and fatigue, President Carter continued to describe the shah's Iran as "an Island of stability in one of the more troubled areas of the world."

We know the rest of the story.

To be sure, today's Mubarak's Egypt is not exactly a carbon copy of the Shah- era Iran. But the similarities are striking. Today, in Egypt as was then in Iran, repression is rife, corruption is rampant, poverty is shocking, and political repression is prevalent.

There is so much frozen rage and too much police state. People are routinely arrested, mistreated and even tortured for merely expressing their thoughts. The regime itself is increasingly insecure and it often tries to make up for this insecurity by stepping up repression of political activism or anyone deemed a threat to the regime.

An in the midst of this lugubrious atmosphere, President Mubarak is in the process of grooming his son, Gamal, to succeed him as Egypt, mainly thanks to Mubarak's absolute autocracy, has effectively transformed into a republic in name but a kingdom in reality. It is a republic kingdom!

May God shield Egypt from the evils of its enemies, internal and external. Amen.

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a_muslimah86

Hubbi Li Rabbi
Staff member
:salam2:

oooohhhhhhhhh...us Muslims...we just *love* to toss our dirt at other people don't we???

If a joke was being pulled in *any* country!!!...I'm pretty sure with some *ardency*..*sincerity*..and *unity* the *citizens* of *that* country can stop "laughing" and cut the lame joke or jokes *short*...

But it's just way easier to talk-off *sob stories*..and point fingers...forgetting that *pity* hast its limit and can turn to *annoyance*..and that before we point our fingers we need to make sure that *our hands* are *clean!*...

may Allah guide us!

:wasalam:
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

Like any oppressed peoples the Egyptians have to practice who and what they fear.
 

Valerie

Junior Member
:salam2:

Okay I was way too tired to respond to this when I first read it. (Been working 11 hour days and only had enough time to eat before and after work and take care of the family).

The very first line is what made me sigh. The us is at least "morally responsible"? That's pretty flimsy.

As an American citizen, let me just say this: I'm sorry if there was a messed up election, but I had nothing to do with it. We have plenty of screwed up stuff in our own country. Take the 2000 election. George W. was "elected" after there was a problem with the polling.. in the state where his brother was governor. Sound weird? Yeah it was. And he went on to be "elected" and the majority of Americans did not vote for him. So we have our own problems (and big ones, I was pretty ticked I had to call that (insert mean word here) our commander in chief).

Maybe something needs to be done. I'm not saying a revolt in that country, but when people are scared to leave their homes, something needs to be done. But using Obama's speech and saying that it supports the exact opposite of what he said... Well, the author used the words "far-fetched" and they do apply to this.

I'm just tired of when something goes wrong in another country, it's automatically America's fault. When something blows up, there are idiotic Americans who immediately point at the Muslims. The Muslim community center in New York, people honestly believe that it is Islam's way of proclaiming victory over what happened there. Sounds silly doesn't it?

But it is happening both ways, and it's just really old. I believe in the good in Muslims, and the good in Americans, even though I know there is a lot of not-so-good in both. The good ones need to stand up and make their voices louder and help those who need it instead of sitting back and looking for blame (on either side).
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

It is not the fault of the US that the Egyptians are not uniting to resist the oppressive regime. It does not matter who put them in power...the people have to resist.

Here in the States I am finally seeing the resistance movement come back to life..people are beginning to think. Alhumdullila after snoring for 30 years the people are waking up. Power to the people right on.

We are not sheeple..we are human beings..and as Muslims we have to fight oppression wherever it is.

The Egyptian people need to wake up and throw out the rotten apples.

I do not know how much longer I will be able to write..I am serious..I need your dua to protect me.

But while I can, I will, Insha'Allah.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,.

But we have to get past that issue. We have to become cohesive independent entities.

What many are forgetting is what the US does to its people. You have no clue. The Egyptians need to forget about the tourist dollar and remember Islam. Who cares about Pharaoh and the Pyramids.

Stand up for what you believe in..
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

It is not the US government that they follow. They follow the Zionists. The US government is controlled by the Zionists. I have posted so many threads on this issue.

But...the choice is that of the people of Egypt. The Egyptians need to wake up and stand up.

All they have to do is look at their brothers and sisters in Gaza..no matter what you do to me..I am a Muslim..how blessed are they.
 

justoneofmillion

Junior Member
:salam2:

Okay I was way too tired to respond to this when I first read it. (Been working 11 hour days and only had enough time to eat before and after work and take care of the family).

The very first line is what made me sigh. The us is at least "morally responsible"? That's pretty flimsy.

As an American citizen, let me just say this: I'm sorry if there was a messed up election, but I had nothing to do with it. We have plenty of screwed up stuff in our own country. Take the 2000 election. George W. was "elected" after there was a problem with the polling.. in the state where his brother was governor. Sound weird? Yeah it was. And he went on to be "elected" and the majority of Americans did not vote for him. So we have our own problems (and big ones, I was pretty ticked I had to call that (insert mean word here) our commander in chief).

Maybe something needs to be done. I'm not saying a revolt in that country, but when people are scared to leave their homes, something needs to be done. But using Obama's speech and saying that it supports the exact opposite of what he said... Well, the author used the words "far-fetched" and they do apply to this.

I'm just tired of when something goes wrong in another country, it's automatically America's fault. When something blows up, there are idiotic Americans who immediately point at the Muslims. The Muslim community center in New York, people honestly believe that it is Islam's way of proclaiming victory over what happened there. Sounds silly doesn't it?

But it is happening both ways, and it's just really old. I believe in the good in Muslims, and the good in Americans, even though I know there is a lot of not-so-good in both. The good ones need to stand up and make their voices louder and help those who need it instead of sitting back and looking for blame (on either side).
:salam2:Dear sister,when This kind of articles say U.S they mean the U.S government,they mean the people who have a saying in such matters.Not Steven from the butcher on the other side of the street Or Harry the milkman from the next village,who has no influence over the strategic and political the decisions of his rulers.Not the People that are trying hard to make a living,This should be obvious to understand...inshallah.Take care.
 

Valerie

Junior Member
:salam2:Dear sister,when This kind of articles say U.S they mean the U.S government,they mean the people who have a saying in such matters.Not Steven from the butcher on the other side of the street Or Harry the milkman from the next village,who has no influence over the strategic and political the decisions of his rulers.Not the People that are trying hard to make a living,This should be obvious to understand...inshallah.Take care.

:wasalam:

You're right, it should be obvious, but for some, I don't think it is. I'm not saying anyone in this thread, but I see generalizations get thrown around a lot. And I don't think everyone IN the government is guilty of the accusations. If they all had the same goals, our politicians wouldn't behave so badly toward each other. I used to be a government employee, and I never had any sort of "agenda" toward Muslims or anyone else.
 

justoneofmillion

Junior Member
:wasalam:

You're right, it should be obvious, but for some, I don't think it is. I'm not saying anyone in this thread, but I see generalizations get thrown around a lot. And I don't think everyone IN the government is guilty of the accusations. If they all had the same goals, our politicians wouldn't behave so badly toward each other. I used to be a government employee, and I never had any sort of "agenda" toward Muslims or anyone else.
:salam2:In a speech condolessa Rice held in Egypt,She admitted publicly that the U.S government policy towards Egypt was for the Past 30,40 ,60 years to prefer"Stability over Freedom and democracy"in her own words,and she was referring to the decision making segments of the government final saying in the applied policies.Admitting plainly in the most uncontroversial manner that the the main ideology was bound to sacrifice democracy and the will of the people by arming,supporting and promoting a brutal and dictatorial regime in Egypt for Geostrategical interests.Which is in an insult to every norm of consistency towards Human rights and liberty ideals .There is a video on Youtube about it.I watched it the other day.I ll try to find it and post it on here for you to see with your own eyes.Inshallah

If there were free elections in Egypt tomorrow, without any foreign manipulation or intervention,the Brotherhood would have the upper hand,there is no doubt about that from the majority of the political analysts i ve heard.Be well,take care.
 

justoneofmillion

Junior Member
:salam2:A little segement of the speech is contained within this documentary about the Brotherhood[yt]OMX7MLWyegM[/yt].

The main Allies of the US government in the region are either Monarchies or military dictatorships...it is well known.Egyptwith Botox Mubarak,Tunisia,Morrocco,Algeria,Jordan,Saudi Arabia,the United Arab emirates,Kuwait,Pakistan and the apartheid criminal regime of Isreal...etc.It is not hard to see that The U.S government doesn t really do what it preaches.
 

Valerie

Junior Member
I had something all written out. I didn't post it because I said this time I would ignore the things that tick me off. Next time if I see anything about Americans on this forum, I'll just leave the thread and ignore people's hate.
 

justoneofmillion

Junior Member
I had something all written out. I didn't post it because I said this time I would ignore the things that tick me off. Next time if I see anything about Americans on this forum, I'll just leave the thread and ignore people's hate.
:salam2:Look i Have Personaly nothing against American people my future wife is one!.Am A free human being , am inspired by the principles of justice ,equality,respect and dignity for all human beings.I don t care what country is next on the line,even if it is my own and it is not consistent towards human dignity and rights ,i will criticize it to direct it towards goodness .I try to be discerning an just ,even in the depth of my love am not blind.Take care
 

justoneofmillion

Junior Member
:salam2:If you want people to love you,you don t drop bombs on their heads,you don t arm their enemies with f16 ,tanks ,white phosphorous,kill their women and children and call it a colateral damage,you don t steal their natural resources, you buy them like everyone else.You don t support inhuman regimes that oppress them.You don t lie to the world to find an excuse to vilify and attack them,displace them and ruin their community and family lives.You dont deprive them of their mothers and fathers ,of their uncles ,Sisters or Brothers,of their cousins and loved ones.And most of all dont you ever dare to keep them silent and complaisant while they suffer!They won t like you if you do that!And that s what the US government is doing and has been doing since a couple of decades among other .
 

Mairo

Maryama
:salam2:

Okay I was way too tired to respond to this when I first read it. (Been working 11 hour days and only had enough time to eat before and after work and take care of the family).

The very first line is what made me sigh. The us is at least "morally responsible"? That's pretty flimsy.

As an American citizen, let me just say this: I'm sorry if there was a messed up election, but I had nothing to do with it. We have plenty of screwed up stuff in our own country. Take the 2000 election. George W. was "elected" after there was a problem with the polling.. in the state where his brother was governor. Sound weird? Yeah it was. And he went on to be "elected" and the majority of Americans did not vote for him. So we have our own problems (and big ones, I was pretty ticked I had to call that (insert mean word here) our commander in chief).

Maybe something needs to be done. I'm not saying a revolt in that country, but when people are scared to leave their homes, something needs to be done. But using Obama's speech and saying that it supports the exact opposite of what he said... Well, the author used the words "far-fetched" and they do apply to this.

I'm just tired of when something goes wrong in another country, it's automatically America's fault. When something blows up, there are idiotic Americans who immediately point at the Muslims. The Muslim community center in New York, people honestly believe that it is Islam's way of proclaiming victory over what happened there. Sounds silly doesn't it?

But it is happening both ways, and it's just really old. I believe in the good in Muslims, and the good in Americans, even though I know there is a lot of not-so-good in both. The good ones need to stand up and make their voices louder and help those who need it instead of sitting back and looking for blame (on either side).

Wa aleikum salaam sister Valerie,

I just want to say that I really appreciate what you have to say on this matter - I think your perspective and response is really well written and important for folks to consider, so I don't want you to feel discouraged in presenting your point of view because it is also valuable. I would like to see more of what you have to say!

It does not come across to me that you are presenting a view that is blindly patriotic or refusing to see issues or problems about the U.S. because of a love and loyalty for country or something like that. It sounds to me like you are trying to speak to another problem. Which is an existance of a kind of seething blind hatred - both on the part of some Americans toward Muslims, and then the very same kind of hatred being directed right back from many Muslims toward Amercians. It is like a mirror image of each other, each based on a combination of fact and fiction. And as an individual caught in the midst of this predicament trying to figure out how to get each side to reach a better understanding. These types of articles just serve to compound the problem.

I have travelled a lot in the world, living in places the complete polar opposite of the typical U.S. existance. I agree that the things brother JustOne Jameel mentioned are definitely important to present, as they have the potential to open people's eyes to observing events in a different light. But there is a difference between that and the generic mud-slinging and falling back on using America as the evil scapegoat using flimsy arguments, which is too simplistic a view and I think ultimately does more harm than good. The issues in the international landscape are far more complex. I never heard of the prophet Muhammad, peace be apon him, resorting to such measures. He always held out hope that even his most vehement enemies could become believers. He always conducted himself in the best manner. I agree with what Valerie has to say about trying to take the best parts of wherever you are from and use that to enjoin with the good in Islam.

I think in terms of trying to do dawah, which is probably the primary objective of this website, these types of posts are not very effective at all. I think what is more effective is to do things that will build greater understanding and appreciation of each other. I usually try to do dawah by bridging the gaps - for example, illustrating how many typical American values, traditional family values, concepts in the constitution such as freedom of religion and protection of human rights, concepts of capitalism such as free market economy and respecting personal property ownership, etc, etc are perfectly in line with the true Islam - which is something that can come as a surprise to people.

At any rate, just my 2 cents. I love you all for the sake of Allah. Have no fear except that for Allah, do not doubt that Allah will establish the believers in the world, for it is certain.

[24.55] Allah has promised to those of you who believe and do good that He will most certainly make them rulers in the earth as He made rulers those before them, and that He will most certainly establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them, and that He will most certainly, after their fear, give them security in exchange; they shall serve Me, not associating aught with Me; and whoever is ungrateful after this, these it is who are the. transgressors.

:wasalam:
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

What Brother Justoneinamillion does is presents us with deeply rooted issues which are complex. He makes us think and gives us information. He helps us understand the need for Islam. He is able to decipher any system and show us the human errors.
We need to understand,as Muslims, the inherent wrong with capitalism. It is not compatible with Islam. He takes great pains to help us see the correct way..the only way which is Islam.
As Muslims, we can not be democratic. It is not the sister of Islam. We as Muslims have chosen Islam. He takes examples from the world.
He also has an understanding of the complex financial situation in the world. He knows the history of the worldwide financial situation. He does not want us to be duped by its evil.
He assists us by unraveling the webs of deception that is practiced in the non-Muslim world. And equally, he helps us to see how the Muslim world has leaders and policies that are incompatible with Islam.

He does not wish for us to be sheeple.

We need his viewpoint.
 

justoneofmillion

Junior Member
:salam2:I believe that the real challenge of our time regarding this matter is for Muslims to be real Muslims(Abiding by the Quran and Sunnah) and the Americans to be Real Americans(the American Constitution and bill of rights are great documents,it time to reclaim...).But then if you wanna be perfect be a Muslim American.May Allah swt guide us all.Sorry if i offended anyone.I had some pictures coming back to my head . As if they were haunting my writing subhnallah.
 

Mairo

Maryama
Assalaam walaikum,

What Brother Justoneinamillion does is presents us with deeply rooted issues which are complex. He makes us think and gives us information. He helps us understand the need for Islam. He is able to decipher any system and show us the human errors.
We need to understand,as Muslims, the inherent wrong with capitalism. It is not compatible with Islam. He takes great pains to help us see the correct way..the only way which is Islam.
As Muslims, we can not be democratic. It is not the sister of Islam. We as Muslims have chosen Islam. He takes examples from the world.
He also has an understanding of the complex financial situation in the world. He knows the history of the worldwide financial situation. He does not want us to be duped by its evil.
He assists us by unraveling the webs of deception that is practiced in the non-Muslim world. And equally, he helps us to see how the Muslim world has leaders and policies that are incompatible with Islam.

He does not wish for us to be sheeple.

We need his viewpoint.

Wa aleikum salaam.

Just to clarify - Yes, I agree with everything you have posted about brother Jameel's contributions, they are extremely valuable. I have nothing but utmost respect for JustOneofMillion! I was trying to speak to another issue which I think is also important to consider, which Valerie brought up using the post of this particular article as an example. It is good for us to listen to each other and learn from each other, as no one person has all the answers. We all need each other to make it through this journey of life. With respect to capitalism, I do not find the basic concepts about free trade and ownership of personal property to be inherrently evil. The problem can come out when it is put in practice due to greed, utilizing interest, manuvering to maintain status quo, etc. Obviously I would prefer Shariah over anything else, but how to attain that goal? Just the mere mention of the word Shariah or Caliphate in the US is generally met with fear and loathing. People have such negative connotations associated with it, and they don't even know anything about it. So sometimes it is effective to break through the misconceptions by drawing a parallel to a more familiar concept to illustrate the point. I am not able to spend more time writing so I apologize for any misunderstandings, hopefully there may be someone who understands what I was trying to say. Please forgive me for any shortcomings. No one here wants anyone to be sheeple. We are all trying to be members of the Ummah of Rasulullah.

Bonne nuit

Wasalaam
 
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