Assalaam walaikum,
Sister..blame it on TTI. I used to be a moderate being. The more I learn and practice my faith the more I do not wish to step one centimeter off the path.
The term "Taliban country" or "Islamist country" is in my view 'a country that adopts policies similar to the Taliban during there reign'. Some of those ideas are..
-Forcing women to wear full veils
-Confining women to there homes
-Idea that women are not to hold jobs
-Stoning people to death
-Destroying other places of worship
-Islam being the only legal religion
-Torturing/killing political dissidents
-Torturing/killing those who do not appove of above laws
you get the idea...
Assalamu allaicum wa raahmatullah wa baarakatuhu
Dear brother I do not understand what do you mean when you mention the term " Islamist", because as we all know like a Muslims is that this kind of termin can be used only in positive sense and never in the negative sense Astagfirullah, like for example when we refer on one Islamic country in which is applied Shariah Law,and we will call these country us Islamic country Alhadmulillah.
I do not wish to speak without enough knowledge, but from how I know Afghanistan is the only Muslim country where is applied the most of Shariah Law, and Allah knows the best for everything.
That is why I do not understand brother why do you ascribe the actions of Talibans as something wrong, when we as Muslims know that Alhadmulilah it is order from Allah that as Muslim woman we cover ourselfe, that stonning is also prescribed in Quran and Sunnah for the sake of all Islamic society,and that worshiping places like statues or idols Astagfirullah must be destroyed.
Regarding other parts which you have mentioned dear brother, we do not know is everything that truth, except that Allah knows the best.
I would mention the rights and obligations of non Muslims who may live in Islamic state or Islamic country, but Inshallah if I gain more knowledge about it ,I will.
May Allah forgive me if I said anything wrong and guide all Muslims. Ameen ya Rabby
saudi arabia appplies full islamic shariah law
Does saudia arabia applies full shariah law ? Are you sure ?
There is a permanent American base there in Saudi, are you aware of that ?
Assalamu allaicum wa raahmatullah wa baarakatuhu
Dear brother I do not understand what do you mean when you mention the term " Islamist", because as we all know like a Muslims is that this kind of termin can be used only in positive sense and never in the negative sense Astagfirullah, like for example when we refer on one Islamic country in which is applied Shariah Law,and we will call these country us Islamic country Alhadmulillah.
I do not wish to speak without enough knowledge, but from how I know Afghanistan is the only Muslim country where is applied the most of Shariah Law, and Allah knows the best for everything.
That is why I do not understand brother why do you ascribe the actions of Talibans as something wrong, when we as Muslims know that Alhadmulilah it is order from Allah that as Muslim woman we cover ourselfe, that stonning is also prescribed in Quran and Sunnah for the sake of all Islamic society,and that worshiping places like statues or idols Astagfirullah must be destroyed.
Regarding other parts which you have mentioned dear brother, we do not know is everything that truth, except that Allah knows the best.
I would mention the rights and obligations of non Muslims who may live in Islamic state or Islamic country, but Inshallah if I gain more knowledge about it ,I will.
May Allah forgive me if I said anything wrong and guide all Muslims. Ameen ya Rabby
Asalamaoalaikom wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuhu. . .
Ahem! I see, one of the moderate modern muslims hmm? *Smile*. I think Aapa is the right person to help you out here.
Assalaam walaikum,
The purpose of this site is to propagate Islam. This is a learning too. It corrects misconceptions about Islam.
Would you be so kind as to give me a definition of moderate Muslims and where you got the definition. What does that mean to you. And how does that differ for you from the fundamentalist, so to speak.
This serves to assist in facilitating communication.
Assalaam walaikum,
I have to be brief. Thank you.
Why does it become a we/they thing?
And can you give me a specific about divorce. Thanks...I'll be back later..
I meant "Islamist". The only term for it in the west. If you can find another term for it I will use it Insha'Allah.
And I don't understand by when you say stoning is an Islamic punishment or woman must be confined to homes. It actually is not and Islamic punishment for Adultery as the Quran (24:2) clearly states the punishment must be 100 for each not stoning or death.
Also on the matter of Taliban many of there actions described actually have no basis in Islam and actually conflict with Islam. I don't understand how you can claim there not doing something wrong. If I show you another list of there atrocities can you reconsider your stance on them?
-Suicide bombings on schools/hospitals/civilian infrastructure
- Harbouring and defending terrorists (most known one was called Osama bin Laden)
-Hiding within the civilan population
-Collateral damage
-Hanging of children as young as 7 ( they accused a seven year old of 'spying' for foreign soilders)
-Brutal executions and torture
-Dealing opium but banning other drugs just so they can continue to deal opium
-banning electronics and stoning those who use them
-Destroying graves of others (Non-Muslim and even muslims who disagreed with them)
-extreme corruption/stealing/looting
-got rid of all education and employment for women
Would our our Prophet approve of this?!?!
Assalamu allaicum wa raahmatullah wa barakatuhu dear brother
I did not said dear brother that it is wrong to use termin " Islamist" but I have said that it is wrong to use it in the negative sense, like some Muslim or non Muslims can say that " Islamist" means that one who is radical in Islam, Astagfirullah. Instead of " Islamist", it is better for us to use termin " Islamic". And Allah knows the best.
Stonning to death is from Islam dear brother and it is not wrong, extreme or invented rulling in Islam from Talibans,and this kind of punishmet has been present in many Muslim countries from the past until today.
And dear brother although it may seem to us that this kind of punishment can be cruel and we may even feel sadness for other people to be punished, but we as Muslims need to be justice in everything and believe that this kind of punishemt is the only just and that it it is only for the sake of good of whole Islamic society.
The reason why Allah has ordered for us this kind of punishmnet is for the sake of keeping chasity and dignity of all Muslim and Alhamdulillah that is much more importante than punishment.
We as Muslims need to follow both Quran and Sunnah brother, as Allah sais:And fear the Fire, which is prepared for the disbelievers,and obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad ) that you may obtain mercy.( Surah Ali Imran, ayah 131, 132)
"Make not the calling of the Messenger (Muhammad ) among you as your calling of one another. Allah knows those of you who slip away under shelter (of some excuse without taking the permission to leave, from the Messenger ). And let those who oppose the Messenger's (Muhammad ) commandment (i.e. his Sunnah legal ways, orders, acts of worship, statements, etc.) (among the sects) beware, lest some Fitnah (disbelief, trials, afflictions, earthquakes, killing, overpowered by a tyrant, etc.) befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them." ( Surah An Nur)
"But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad ) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission." ( Surah An Nissa, ayah 65)
I have shared remainder with you brother about words of Allah for following Sunnah of our Prophet sallahu alayha wa salah because we are Muslims, so it is obligatory for us to follow the Sunnah of our Prophet if we do belive in Allah.
And also please read the hadeeth of our Prophet as a proves for rulling about stoning to death for adultary.And Allah knows the best.
Sahih Muslim, Book 17, Chapter 6: Stoning to Death of Jews and Other Dhimmis In Cases of Adultery, Number 4216: Jabir b.'Abdullah reported that Allah's Apostle stoned (to death) a person from Banu Aslam, and a Jew and his wife.
Narrated 'Aisha: Sad bin Abi Waqqas and 'Abu bin Zam'a quarreled over a boy. Sad said, "O Allah's Apostle! This boy is the son of my brother ('Utba bin Abi Waqqas) who took a promise from me that I would take him as he was his (illegal) son. Look at him and see whom he resembles." 'Abu bin Zam'a said, "O Allah's Apostle! This is my brother and was born on my father's bed from his slave-girl." Allah's Apostle cast a look at the boy and found definite resemblance to 'Utba and then said, "The boy is for you, O 'Abu bin Zam'a. The child goes to the owner of the bed and the adulterer gets nothing but the stones (despair, i.e. to be stoned to death). Then the Prophet said, "O Sauda bint Zama! Screen yourself from this boy." So, Sauda never saw him again.( Saheeh Bukhari)
Narrated Jabir: A man from the tribe of Bani Aslam came to the Prophet while he was in the mosque and said, "I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." The Prophet turned his face to the other side. The man turned towards the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and gave four witnesses against himself. On that the Prophet called him and said, "Are you insane?" (He added), "Are you married?" The man said, 'Yes." On that the Prophet ordered him to be stoned to the death in the Musalla (a praying place). When the stones hit him with their sharp edges and he fled, but he was caught at Al-Harra and then killed( Saheeh Bukhari)
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23: Funerals, Number 413: Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: The Jew brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from amongst them who have committed (adultery) illegal sexual intercourse. He ordered both of them to be stoned (to death), near the place of offering the funeral prayers beside the mosque."
May Allah forgive me if I said anything wrong and I pray to Allah that He guides us all to the right path. Ameen ya Rabby:tti_sister: