I should kill...?

[Klassik]

Well, I am now pretty confused from some verses I read while reading the Quran and I really need your help.

Although there's verses that ask for peace like in 60:8, there's many others that I can't understand, and while reading it I thought I should now go kill infidels, is that right? Should I now go kill?

Verses like this:
(2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

(4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"

(9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

And there's some others..
I also have another question which I am not sure about, was the word "Love" mentioned in the Quran?

 

[Hatty]

Hi brother. You are reading the verses out of context. I think there are two contexts you need to take into account.

1. The textual context
2. The historical context and the occasion in which the verse was revealed.

You will find those verses with regard to fighting were revealed in a war time. when war was taking place. And the context is to fight back (to defend yourself).

When there is peace or truce between Muslims and non-Muslims, then in this case there are different rules/laws - we can engage in trade, exchange knowledge etc.....

 

[islamirama]

Although there's verses that ask for peace like in 60:8, there's many others that I can't understand, and while reading it I thought I should now go kill infidels, is that right? Should I now go kill?

infidel is a christian word in origin and history. They used it to describe non-Christians, especially Muslims. It's ironic that the west as attributed that word to us, more specifically no one uses that word except "al qaeda" which only goes to make one think who really is behind this phoney group. And you sound like a troll.

Why don't you read the verses before and after those versus. We are not the ones that have bible verses numbers printed on our guns, nor have war video games out to kill all non believers.

 

[septithol]

Why don't you read the verses before and after those versus. We are not the ones that have bible verses numbers printed on our guns, nor have war video games out to kill all non believers.

Hmm, I have several guns, but no bible verses on them. I don't trust those Christians who have bible verses on their guns, I think that they perhaps like killing too much, and are looking for a justification for their desire to kill. Thus far, I have used my guns mainly for target shooting, trap shooting (a type of target shooting at a flying clay disc) and hunting rabbits. I would use them for self defense, if anyone were to ever attack me, but I pray that I never have to.

I don't really like war video games, I prefer strategy games, or RPG (story) games.

 

[Salem9022]

Well, I am now pretty confused from some verses I read while reading the Quran and I really need your help.

Although there's verses that ask for peace like in 60:8, there's many others that I can't understand, and while reading it I thought I should now go kill infidels, is that right? Should I now go kill?

Verses like this:
(2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

(4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"

(9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

And there's some others..
I also have another question which I am not sure about, was the word "Love" mentioned in the Quran?

"The word(s) "love" appears 64 time(s) in 55 verse(s) in Quran in M. Khan translation."

http://www.searchtruth.com/search.p...=1&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all


One of the Names of Allah is Al-Wadood( The Most Loving)

Hud, Chapter.11, Verse. 90 "And ask forgiveness of your Lord and turn unto Him in repentance. Verily, my Lord is Most Merciful, Most loving."



As for Verse 9-14: You will better understand this verse if you read the First verse and then read it down.

1Freedom from (all) obligations (is declared) from Allah and His Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم) to those of the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah), with whom you made a treaty.
2So travel freely (O Mushrikun - See V.2:105) for four months (as you will) throughout the land, but know that you cannot escape (from the punishment of) Allah; and Allah will disgrace the disbelievers.
3And a declaration from Allah and His Messenger to mankind on the greatest day (the 10th of Dhul-Hijjah - the 12th month of Islamic calendar) that Allah is free from (all) obligations to the Mushrikun (See V.2:105) and so is His Messenger. So if you (Mushrikun ) repent, it is better for you, but if you turn away, then know that you cannot escape (from the Punishment of) Allah. And give tidings (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) of a painful torment to those who disbelieve.
4Except those of the Mushrikun (see V.2:105) with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfil their treaty to them for the end of their term. Surely Allah loves Al-Mattaqun (the pious - See V.2:2).
5Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun (See V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
6And if anyone of the Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Qur'an), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.
7How can there be a covenant with Allah and with His Messenger for the Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) except those with whom you made a covenant near Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah)? So long as they are true to you, stand you true to them. Verily, Allah loves Al-Muttaqun (the pious - See V.2:2).
8How (can there be such a covenant with them) that when you are overpowered by them, they regard not the ties, either of kinship or of covenant with you? With (good words from) their mouths they please you, but their hearts are averse to you, and most of them are Fasiqun (rebellious, disobedient to Allah).
9They have purchased with the Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah a little gain, and they hindered men from His Way; evil indeed is that which they used to do.
10With regard to a believer, they respect not the ties, either of kinship or of covenant! It is they who are the transgressors.
11But if they repent, perform As-Salat, (Iqamat-as-Salat) and give Zakat, then they are your brethren in religion. (In this way) We explain the Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) in detail for a people who know.
12But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and attack your religion with disapproval and criticism, then fight (you) the leaders of disbelief (chiefs of Quraish pagans of Makkah) - for surely their oaths are nothing to them - so that they may stop (evil actions).
13Will you not fight a people who have violated their oaths (pagans of Makkah), and intended to expel the Messenger while they did attack you first? Do you fear them? Allah has more right that you should fear Him if you are believers.
14Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people,
15And remove the anger of their (believers') hearts. Allah accepts the repentance of whom He wills. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
16Do you think that you shall be left alone while Allah has not yet tested those among you who have striven hard and fought and have not taken Walijah [(Bitanah - helpers, advisors and consultants from disbelievers, pagans.) giving openly to them their secrets] besides Allah, and His Messenger, and the believers. Allah is Well-Acquainted with what you do.

And you can read the the whole chapter. So clearly the issue is not about fighting for the sake of fighting but fighting for the sake protection and Honor. I hope that helps

 

[K-A-K]

i hate to point the following out because i do not like to compare religions when explaining the truth of the other. but i will point it out...

when we read the bible, its more like a story.. it has to itself a chronological touch. as opposed to The Quran. its a very diverse literature genre. ive never encountered such a literal piece in my life. it doesnt have to itself a precise order. a cursory glance shows that its all over. however, its NOT. it has its own literal discourse with a precise ryhtmic balance. as to its content, it seems as if it addresses different issues... starts off with it being a guidance. for those who want. and how it can be achieved. and then gradually lays down rules. and then introduces what Allah SWT wants and how things will finally end. all the surahs are linked in a unique sense as they become questions and answers to eachother. its so beautiful mashAllah.

so thats one of the main reasons, we find the `killing verses`just stationed in between. and we forget whom they address. and why. and when. since its the Word of God, the time and reason of revelation is integral to it. without giving that a chance, we`ll jump to quick decisions and do injustice to what the words really mean. so brother, take it easy. i was troubled too for some time but then with time AlhamduLillah, things started to make sense. The surahs werent revealed as we see them. they have been put together this way. as each surah addresses a certain key issue and has its own linguistic characteristics.

actually, Love , Mercy, Help have been discussed more than the killing aspect. and dont forget that killing wasnt really propagated at first. however, when the rivals had taken to attack, self defense somehow became mandatory. therefore, such strong words were revealed. i know i sound too patronizing but well thats how things were..

and INFIDEL is a wrong translation of KAAFIR. kaafir is also translated as disbeliever. which is wrong too... in literal sense , kaafir from its root word literally means a person who covers up (the truth in literal sense). (originally a farmer who buries the seed. seed is something good and mud being the negative thing as it covers the goodly seed up).

therefore, kaafirs are those to whom the word has been revealed. they understand its worth and deem it to be truthful. however, they avoid it and cover it up with lies or disbelief or doubts. hence the word kaafir. kaafir seems a very decent word as compared to infidel. its an outragious word.

i hope i helped you in some way inshAllah

 

[septithol]

therefore, kaafirs are those to whom the word has been revealed. they understand its worth and deem it to be truthful. however, they avoid it and cover it up with lies or disbelief or doubts. hence the word kaafir. kaafir seems a very decent word as compared to infidel. its an outragious word.

i hope i helped you in some way inshAllah

Kak, if what you say is true, then it sounds like this 'kaafir' word is pretty much like what I told you of liars in the logic puzzle book I was telling you about. A liar is someone who actually knows the truth (compared to an insane person whose mind is confused and does not know the truth) but for whatever reason, then lie, and say something other than what they really believe. There's another word for that in the English language 'hypocrite', which is commonly taken to mean someone who does not really believe in a religion, but pretends they do; but one can be a hypocrite about anything. If someone is actually believes a religion, but pretends that they do not (as you say about these 'kaafirs', that person is also a hypocrite, and no better than the other sort.

 

[kashif_nazeer]

i hate to point the following out because i do not like to compare religions when explaining the truth of the other. but i will point it out...

when we read the bible, its more like a story.. it has to itself a chronological touch. as opposed to The Quran. its a very diverse literature genre. ive never encountered such a literal piece in my life. it doesnt have to itself a precise order. a cursory glance shows that its all over. however, its NOT. it has its own literal discourse with a precise ryhtmic balance. as to its content, it seems as if it addresses different issues... starts off with it being a guidance. for those who want. and how it can be achieved. and then gradually lays down rules. and then introduces what Allah SWT wants and how things will finally end. all the surahs are linked in a unique sense as they become questions and answers to eachother. its so beautiful mashAllah.

so thats one of the main reasons, we find the `killing verses`just stationed in between. and we forget whom they address. and why. and when. since its the Word of God, the time and reason of revelation is integral to it. without giving that a chance, we`ll jump to quick decisions and do injustice to what the words really mean. so brother, take it easy. i was troubled too for some time but then with time AlhamduLillah, things started to make sense. The surahs werent revealed as we see them. they have been put together this way. as each surah addresses a certain key issue and has its own linguistic characteristics.

actually, Love , Mercy, Help have been discussed more than the killing aspect. and dont forget that killing wasnt really propagated at first. however, when the rivals had taken to attack, self defense somehow became mandatory. therefore, such strong words were revealed. i know i sound too patronizing but well thats how things were..

and INFIDEL is a wrong translation of KAAFIR. kaafir is also translated as disbeliever. which is wrong too... in literal sense , kaafir from its root word literally means a person who covers up (the truth in literal sense). (originally a farmer who buries the seed. seed is something good and mud being the negative thing as it covers the goodly seed up).

therefore, kaafirs are those to whom the word has been revealed. they understand its worth and deem it to be truthful. however, they avoid it and cover it up with lies or disbelief or doubts. hence the word kaafir. kaafir seems a very decent word as compared to infidel. its an outragious word.

i hope i helped you in some way inshAllah

:salam2:
I agree with you,kaafir are those who REJECT truth after knowing that it's truth,the first Kaafir was shaytaan(Iblees) as Qur'an says(translation & transliteration):

Wa-ith qulna lilmala-ikatiosjudoo li-adama fasajadoo illa ibleesa abawastakbara wakana mina alkafireen

And [mention] when We said to the angels, "Prostrate before Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers.Surah Al Baqarah [2:34]

A lier is a kaddhab,those who belie the verses and become a kaafir thereby:

But those who disbelieved and belied Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), they shall be the dwellers of the (Hell) Fire.[5:86](translation)

And for those who disbelieved in their Lord is the punishment of Hell, and wretched is the destination.

When they are thrown into it, they hear from it a [dreadful] inhaling while it boils up.

It almost bursts with rage. Every time a company is thrown into it, its keepers ask them, "Did there not come to you a warner?"

They will say," Yes, a warner had come to us, but we denied and said, ' Allah has not sent down anything. You are not but in great error.' "

And they will say, "If only we had been listening or reasoning, we would not be among the companions of the Blaze."

And they will admit their sin, so [it is] alienation for the companions of the Blaze.
[677:6-11] Surah Mulk(translation)

The rest are ignorant ,about a jaahil,the ignorant Qur'an says(translation):

[Charity is] for the poor who have been restricted for the cause of Allah , unable to move about in the land. An ignorant [person] would think them self-sufficient because of their restraint, but you will know them by their [characteristic] sign. They do not ask people persistently [or at all]. And whatever you spend of good - indeed, Allah is Knowing of it. Surat Al-Baqarah [2:273]

It is fard for everyone to gain knowledge as Allah commands in the first verse revealed to Prophet Muhammad was Iqra(recite)what is the purpose?The purpose is to teach man through them that which man knew not.
(The translation):

Recite in the name of your Lord who created -


Created man from a clinging substance.

Recite, and your Lord is the most Generous -

Who taught by the pen -

Taught man that which he knew not.

Surat Al-`Alaq[96:1]

Knowledge is the opposite of ignorance 'ilm is opposite of jahiliyyah.
Hence we as muslims,are commanded to spread knowledge to people so that truth is spread far and wide.
Some people want to prevent truth from reaching people even after knowing that it is truth,those are the kuffar(the rejectors of truth),the enemies of Islam and Allah,who prevent truth from reaching to people ,preventing them from the right to know truth.

(And so We have appointed for every Prophet enemies ـ Shayatin (devils) among mankind and Jinn, inspiring one another with adorned speech as a delusion (or by way of deception)) (6:112)

In addition, the Musnad by Imam Ahmad records that Abu Dharr said that the Messenger of Allah said,

«يَا أَبَا ذَرَ تَعَوَّذْ بِاللهِ مِنْ شَيَاطِينِ الْإِنْسِ وَالْجِنِّ»

(O Abu Dharr! Seek refuge with Allah from the devils of mankind and the Jinns.) Abu Dharr said, "I asked him , `Are there human devils' He said, (Yes.)''

Such are the people who who spread fitnah.Fitnah is worse than killing


They ask you about the sacred month - about fighting therein. Say, "Fighting therein is great [sin], but averting [people] from the way of Allah and disbelief in Him and [preventing access to] al-Masjid al-Haram and the expulsion of its people therefrom are greater [evil] in the sight of Allah . And fitnah is greater than killing." And they will continue to fight you until they turn you back from your religion if they are able. And whoever of you reverts from his religion [to disbelief] and dies while he is a disbeliever - for those, their deeds have become worthless in this world and the Hereafter, and those are the companions of the Fire, they will abide therein eternally.[2:217]

And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.[2:191]

Keep in mind these are a people preventing other people from the way to Allah,The straight path and in other words these are people,forcibly trying to push people to hell fire (INFLICTING THE ETERNALLY WORST SUFFERING) and creating fitnah thereby and Fitnah is greater/worse thank killing!

Then again there are a few people to whom message of Allah has not reached at all,or has reached in a distorted manner i.e they know only certain things about Islam,like how muslims are such people dress such and such say such and such etc,but not what Islam is.Such people are called ahlul fitrah,i.e people of fitrah.Allah will test them on the judgement day and judge them on the basis of that test.

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

Asalamaoalaikom wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh,

Good to see you around brother.

I think brother Hatty gave you a very good answer. You should always view the tafseers for understanding Quraan when you are confused. Because of the two things he mentioned.

I'm not knowledgable enough but I'll search our nobel scholars work to give answer you confusions:

Firstly you need to know. Fighting in Islam is only for two reasons:

1) To fight oppression.

2) To defend yourself.

Other than that, you are not commanded to fight for land, color, wealth etc. by Allaah.

Now to explain the verses:

Verses like this:
(2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

This verse is to make clear to the Muslims that Jihaad is obligatory on them when they are or their brothers are oppressed "or" when they are attacked. (Just like Allah says Zakah is obligatory or Salah (praying) or Fasting the month of Ramadan.) i.e If any escapes out of fear and leave the others alone. Or turns his back on the oppressed because he's not bothered then it's a sin upon him as he's gone against his obligations.

From Ibn Katheer's explanation:

In this Ayah, Allah made it obligatory for the Muslims to fight in Jihad against the evil of the enemy who transgress against Islam. Az-Zuhri said, "Jihad is required from every person, whether he actually joins the fighting or remains behind. Whoever remains behind is required to give support, if support is warranted; to provide aid, if aid is needed; and to march forth, if he is commanded to do so. If he is not needed, then he remains behind.'' It is reported in the Sahih:

«مَنْ مَاتَ وَلَمْ يَغْزُ وَلَمْ يُحَدِّثْ نَفْسَهُ بِالْغَزْوِ، مَاتَ مِيتَةً جَاهِلِيَّــة»

(Whoever dies but neither fought (i.e., in Allah's cause), nor sincerely considered fighting, will die a death of Jahiliyyah (pre-Islamic era of ignorance).)

On the day of Al-Fath (when he conquered Makkah), the Prophet said:

«لَا هِجْرَةَ بَعْدَ الْفَتْحِ وَلكِنْ جِهَادٌ وَنِيَّةٌ، وَإِذَا اسْتُنْفِرْتُمْ فَانْفِرُوا»

(There is no Hijrah (migration from Makkah to Al-Madinah) after the victory, but only Jihad and good intention. If you were required to march forth, then march forth.)

Allah's statement:

﴿وَهُوَ كُرْهٌ لَّكُمْ﴾

(...though you dislike it) means, `Fighting is difficult and heavy on your hearts.' Indeed, fighting is as the Ayah describes it, as it includes being killed, wounded, striving against the enemies and enduring the hardship of travel. Allah then said:

﴿وَعَسَى أَن تَكْرَهُواْ شَيْئًا وَهُوَ خَيْرٌ لَّكُمْ﴾

(. ..and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you) meaning, fighting is followed by victory, dominance over the enemy, taking over their lands, money and offspring. Allah continues:

﴿وَعَسَى أَن تُحِبُّواْ شَيْئًا وَهُوَ شَرٌّ لَّكُمْ﴾

(...and that you like a thing which is bad for you.)

This Ayah is general in meaning. Hence, one might covet something, yet in reality it is not good or beneficial for him, such as refraining from joining the Jihad, for it might lead to the enemy taking over the land and the government. Then, Allah said:

﴿وَاللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ وَأَنتُمْ لاَ تَعْلَمُونَ﴾

(Allah knows, but you do not know.) meaning, He has better knowledge than you of how things will turn out to be in the end, and of what benefits you in this earthly life and the Hereafter. Hence, obey Him and adhere to His commands, so that you may acquire the true guidance.

Similarly in the next verse Baqara 217 Allaah sets the limits of No fighting in the Sacred months. Every verse has it's own story to it.

Your second Question:

(4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"

This explanation will also help you understand that jihab is Fard Kifayah (which is a collective duty). Which means you don't go killing people just like that after you read a couple of out of context verses.

﴿لاَّ يَسْتَوِى الْقَـعِدُونَ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ غَيْرُ أُوْلِى الضَّرَرِ﴾

(Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled), refers to those who did not go to the battle of Badr and those who went to Badr. When the battle of Badr was about to occur, Abu Ahmad bin Jahsh and Ibn Umm Maktum said, `We are blind, O Messenger of Allah! Do we have an excuse' The Ayah,

﴿لاَّ يَسْتَوِى الْقَـعِدُونَ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ غَيْرُ أُوْلِى الضَّرَرِ﴾

(Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled) was revealed. Allah made those who fight, above those who sit in their homes not hindered by disability.

﴿وَفَضَّلَ اللَّهُ الْمُجَـهِدِينَ عَلَى الْقَـعِدِينَ أَجْراً عَظِيماًدَرَجَـتٍ مِّنْهُ﴾

(but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home), by a huge reward. Degrees of (higher) grades from Him), above the believers who sit at home without a disability hindering them.'' This is the wording recorded by At-Tirmidhi, who said, "Hasan Gharib. Allah's statement,

﴿لاَّ يَسْتَوِى الْقَـعِدُونَ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ﴾

(Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home),) this is general. Soon after, the revelation came down with,

﴿غَيْرُ أُوْلِى الضَّرَرِ﴾

(except those who are disabled). So whoever has a disability, such as blindness, a limp, or an illness that prevents them from joining Jihad, they were not compared to the Mujahidin who strive in Allah's cause with their selves and wealth, as those who are not disabled and did not join the Jihad were. In his Sahih, Al-Bukhari recorded that Anas said that the Messenger of Allah said,

«إِنَّ بِالْمَدِينَةِ أَقْوَامًا مَا سِرْتُمْ مِنْ مَسِيرٍ، وَلَا قَطَعْتُمْ مِنْ وَادٍ، إِلَّا وَهُمْ مَعَكُمْ فِيه»

قالوا: وهم بالمدينة يا رسول الله؟ (There are people who remained in Al-Madinah, who were with you in every march you marched and every valley you crossed.) They said, "While they are still in Al-Madinah, O Messenger of Allah'' He said,

«نَعَمْ حَبَسَهُمُ الْعُذْر»

(Yes. Only their disability hindered them (from joining you).) Allah said,

﴿وَكُلاًّ وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الْحُسْنَى﴾

(Unto each, Allah has promised good) meaning, Paradise and tremendous rewards. This Ayah indicates that Jihad is not Fard on each and every individual, but it is Fard Kifayah (which is a collective duty). Allah then said,

﴿وَفَضَّلَ اللَّهُ الْمُجَـهِدِينَ عَلَى الْقَـعِدِينَ أَجْراً عَظِيماً﴾

(but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home), by a huge reward). Allah mentions what He has given them rooms in Paradise, along with His forgiveness and the descent of mercy and blessing on them, as a favor and honor from Him. So He said;

﴿دَرَجَـتٍ مِّنْهُ وَمَغْفِرَةً وَرَحْمَةً وَكَانَ اللَّهُ غَفُوراً رَّحِيماً ﴾

(Degrees of (higher) grades from Him, and forgiveness and mercy. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.). In the Two Sahihs, it is recorded that Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri said that the Messenger of Allah said,

«إِنَّ فِي الْجَنَّةِ مِائَةَ دَرَجَةٍ، أَعَدَّهَا اللهُ لِلْمُجَاهِدِينَ فِي سَبِيلِهِ، مَا بَيْنَ كُلِّ دَرَجَتَيْنِ كَمَا بَيْنَ السَّمَاءِ وَالْأَرْض»

(There are a hundred grades in Paradise that Allah has prepared for the Mujahidin in His cause, between each two grades is the distance between heaven and Earth.)

(9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

Read the surah from the begining to understand this verse. It tells us about the treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriks of Makkah and how it was broken by the Mushriks (polyathiest) of Makkah. I'll quote from verse 10 though you should read from verse 1:

[9:10]They do not observe toward a believer any pact of kinship or covenant of protection. And it is they who are the transgressors.

[9:11]But if they repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, then they are your brothers in religion; and We detail the verses for a people who know.

[9:12]And if they break their oaths after their treaty and defame your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief, for indeed, there are no oaths [sacred] to them; [fight them that] they might cease.

[9:13]Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers.

[9:14]Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and satisfy the breasts of a believing people

[9:15]And remove the fury in the believers' hearts. And Allah turns in forgiveness to whom He wills; and Allah is Knowing and Wise.

Makes sense now?

 

[Klassik]

Wow, It's great to find help from brothers & sisters once I need it, thank you, and I really hope you continue answering my questions because I do have many questions in my head still.

First of all I really like the greetings!:salam2::salam2:

Secondly, so I got it, some of these verses should be read from the beginning of the Sura like Surat Al-Tawba. Others are prescribed for defending against wars...etc Cool.

I have so more questions on top of my head, it's about Jihad, well I know the word has been hijacked by the west. I read many links you've posted around TTI, I know the word in Arabic means "strive" or "struggle". I also know there's Jihad an-nafs which is like a spiritual fight inside. However, There's still that type of Jihad I don't get:

The Jihad against those transgress, those who take me out of my home, I shall fight them. My brothers in Iraq were fought and killed by Americans, don't now I have the right to make a suicidal bomb in a military American centre (without killing innocents)?

 

[um_mustafa]

Wow, It's great to find help from brothers & sisters once I need it, thank you, and I really hope you continue answering my questions because I do have many questions in my head still.

First of all I really like the greetings!:salam2::salam2:

Secondly, so I got it, some of these verses should be read from the beginning of the Sura like Surat Al-Tawba. Others are prescribed for defending against wars...etc Cool.

I have so more questions on top of my head, it's about Jihad, well I know the word has been hijacked by the west. I read many links you've posted around TTI, I know the word in Arabic means "strive" or "struggle". I also know there's Jihad an-nafs which is like a spiritual fight inside. However, There's still that type of Jihad I don't get:

The Jihad against those transgress, those who take me out of my home, I shall fight them. My brothers in Iraq were fought and killed by Americans, don't now I have the right to make a suicidal bomb in a military American centre (without killing innocents)?

Hello , I think the brothers and sisters have explained very clearly to you about this matter , no one here will give you an excuse to :make a suicidal bomb in a military American centre (without killing innocents)?:
It is not your "right " to go and do these things.
Goodbye

 

[sabina isa]

Wow, It's great to find help from brothers & sisters once I need it, thank you, and I really hope you continue answering my questions because I do have many questions in my head still.

First of all I really like the greetings!:salam2::salam2:

Secondly, so I got it, some of these verses should be read from the beginning of the Sura like Surat Al-Tawba. Others are prescribed for defending against wars...etc Cool.

I have so more questions on top of my head, it's about Jihad, well I know the word has been hijacked by the west. I read many links you've posted around TTI, I know the word in Arabic means "strive" or "struggle". I also know there's Jihad an-nafs which is like a spiritual fight inside. However, There's still that type of Jihad I don't get:

The Jihad against those transgress, those who take me out of my home, I shall fight them. My brothers in Iraq were fought and killed by Americans, don't now I have the right to make a suicidal bomb in a military American centre (without killing innocents)?

As salam alaikum,

You would not be called a believer if you commit suicide. Whatever the reason is, or bear it for the sake of Allah or die in the fight for the sake of Allah. No one has the right to take his own soul, is a rebeling against Allah. If you need to fight back the one that got you out of your homes, you have the right to do so, but fight in fair war, without commiting suicide. Verses are clearly in that regard.

We alaikum salam

 

[islamirama]

As salam alaikum,

You would not be called a believer if you commit suicide.

Can you show me proof from Quran and sunnah on this? Where does it say you are not a muslim if you commit suicide? You are still a Muslim, just a misguided one.

 

[Wannabemuslim]

Wow, It's great to find help from brothers & sisters once I need it, thank you, and I really hope you continue answering my questions because I do have many questions in my head still.

First of all I really like the greetings!:salam2::salam2:

Secondly, so I got it, some of these verses should be read from the beginning of the Sura like Surat Al-Tawba. Others are prescribed for defending against wars...etc Cool.

I have so more questions on top of my head, it's about Jihad, well I know the word has been hijacked by the west. I read many links you've posted around TTI, I know the word in Arabic means "strive" or "struggle". I also know there's Jihad an-nafs which is like a spiritual fight inside. However, There's still that type of Jihad I don't get:

The Jihad against those transgress, those who take me out of my home, I shall fight them. My brothers in Iraq were fought and killed by Americans, don't now I have the right to make a suicidal bomb in a military American centre (without killing innocents)?

Assalam alykum, the phrase in the holy quran that i remember the most that may or may not clasify suicidal jihad as haram is this one is "do not with your own hands, hurl yourself to your destruction" Sorry if i said something wrong or quoted it wrong,.

 

[samiha]

I was going to let someone else say this but seriously:

Although there's verses that ask for peace like in 60:8, there's many others that I can't understand, and while reading it I thought I should now go kill infidels, is that right? Should I now go kill?

The Jihad against those transgress, those who take me out of my home, I shall fight them. My brothers in Iraq were fought and killed by Americans, don't now I have the right to make a suicidal bomb in a military American centre (without killing innocents)?

Anyone makes these types of stupid inflammatory remarks, don't ever rise to it. They are clearly baiting to find a certain type of reply, and I think there's a lack of awareness of this on TTI - but do keep this in mind and don't respond. These are not sincere questions, so you shouldn't feel the need to have to respond in any way.

Just report them and it will be dealt with inshaAllaah.

 

[sabina isa]

Can you show me proof from Quran and sunnah on this? Where does it say you are not a muslim if you commit suicide? You are still a Muslim, just a misguided one.

As salam alaikum,

Here is one proof from sunnah:
Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 518 :
Narrated by Sahl
During one of his Ghazawat, the Prophet encountered the pagans, and the two armies fought, and then each of them returned to their army camps. Amongst the (army of the) Muslims there was a man who would follow every pagan separated from the army and strike him with his sword. It was said, "O Allah's Apostle! None has fought so satisfactorily as so-and-so (namely, that brave Muslim). "The Prophet said, "He is from the dwellers of the Hell-Fire." The people said, "Who amongst us will be of the dwellers of Paradise if this (man) is from the dwellers of the Hell-Fire?" Then a man from amongst the people said, "I will follow him and accompany him in his fast and slow movements." The (brave) man got wounded, and wanting to die at once, he put the handle of his sword on the ground and its tip in between his breasts, and then threw himself over it, committing suicide. Then the man (who had watched the deceased) returned to the Prophet and said, "I testify that you are Apostle of Allah." The Prophet said, "What is this?" The man told him the whole story. The Prophet said, "A man may do what may seem to the people as the deeds of the dwellers of Paradise, but he is of the dwellers of the Hell-Fire and a man may do what may seem to the people as the deeds of the dwellers of the Hell-Fire, but he is from the dwellers of Paradise."

There is another instance that I am having hard time to find, but is about the state of believers after the death of prophet s.w.a.s that were given after building houses and life. One of the sahabah goes to visit the I believe Ibn Umar and says " And you so?..." He replies:"Had Allah allowed it, I would have killed myself not to live such times, but women like beautifying the houses..."

This instance I would need to find it, you can disregard it if you are not satisfied with it.

Allahu alem , the first hadith is enough for me. I am open to any discussion. Jazak Allahu khairan for making me digg thorugh the book today.

Asa salam alaikum

 

[islamirama]

As salam alaikum,

Here is one proof from sunnah:
Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 518 :
Narrated by Sahl
During one of his Ghazawat, the Prophet encountered the pagans, and the two armies fought, and then each of them returned to their army camps. Amongst the (army of the) Muslims there was a man who would follow every pagan separated from the army and strike him with his sword. It was said, "O Allah's Apostle! None has fought so satisfactorily as so-and-so (namely, that brave Muslim). "The Prophet said, "He is from the dwellers of the Hell-Fire." The people said, "Who amongst us will be of the dwellers of Paradise if this (man) is from the dwellers of the Hell-Fire?" Then a man from amongst the people said, "I will follow him and accompany him in his fast and slow movements." The (brave) man got wounded, and wanting to die at once, he put the handle of his sword on the ground and its tip in between his breasts, and then threw himself over it, committing suicide. Then the man (who had watched the deceased) returned to the Prophet and said, "I testify that you are Apostle of Allah." The Prophet said, "What is this?" The man told him the whole story. The Prophet said, "A man may do what may seem to the people as the deeds of the dwellers of Paradise, but he is of the dwellers of the Hell-Fire and a man may do what may seem to the people as the deeds of the dwellers of the Hell-Fire, but he is from the dwellers of Paradise."

There is another instance that I am having hard time to find, but is about the state of believers after the death of prophet s.w.a.s that were given after building houses and life. One of the sahabah goes to visit the I believe Ibn Umar and says " And you so?..." He replies:"Had Allah allowed it, I would have killed myself not to live such times, but women like beautifying the houses..."

This instance I would need to find it, you can disregard it if you are not satisfied with it.

Allahu alem , the first hadith is enough for me. I am open to any discussion. Jazak Allahu khairan for making me digg thorugh the book today.

Asa salam alaikum

I'm aware of that hadith. What that hadith says is two things. 1. committing a suicide will lead you to hellfire. 2. you could do the deeds of paradise but your last deed could lead you to hellfire and vice versa. There is no where in there it says that person was a kuffar. He indeed will be a dweller of hellfire but we don't know for how long because we are told Allah will take out every believer from hellfire that has eman even that of a mustard seed.

Unless you can show me clearly in quran and sunnah or bring commentary of the scholars to this hadith that states otherwise, I would not go about calling believers as kuffars or "not a believer" just because they committed suicide. Muslims commit murder too and end up in hellfire that way as well as many other ways.

 

[sabina isa]

I'm aware of that hadith. What that hadith says is two things. 1. committing a suicide will lead you to hellfire. 2. you could do the deeds of paradise but your last deed could lead you to hellfire and vice versa. There is no where in there it says that person was a kuffar. He indeed will be a dweller of hellfire but we don't know for how long because we are told Allah will take out every believer from hellfire that has eman even that of a mustard seed.

Unless you can show me clearly in quran and sunnah or bring commentary of the scholars to this hadith that states otherwise, I would not go about calling believers as kuffars or "not a believer" just because they committed suicide. Muslims commit murder too and end up in hellfire that way as well as many other ways.

As salam alaikum,

Brother I did not call muslims kufar, but I gave the understnading of the quoted hadith. It is a great relief to hope that is that way, but I would rather that we get confirmation from the scholars. I wouldn't want to involve others, but I have attended an islamic course and I believe that has been the comment of our teachers. Anyhow, I apologize if by trying to help, I have offended any muslim. It was not in my intention, but I strongly think this issue needs greater attention. Jazak Allahu khairan for the advice. I might come back to this issue myself if I get more solid grounds.

As salam alaikum

 

[Bawar]

Assalamu alaikum brothers and sisters

The originator of this thread is an imposter, he does not intend to learn, but instead wants to mock. Take my word for it. This is not the first time we come across such posts.

It makes me laugh when he uses the words "brothers and sisters" here. If my understanding of Islam was of his level, I would never feel a Muslim, let alone calling other muslims as my brothers and sisters.

But alhamdulellah, I am a Muslim and I (and you all) know better than what Klassic is trying to get at.

 

[Munawar]

I was going to let someone else say this but seriously:





Anyone makes these types of stupid inflammatory remarks, don't ever rise to it. They are clearly baiting to find a certain type of reply, and I think there's a lack of awareness of this on TTI - but do keep this in mind and don't respond. These are not sincere questions, so you shouldn't feel the need to have to respond in any way.

Just report them and it will be dealt with inshaAllaah.

:salam2:
I agree with you sister that there are people out ther who could be baiting to find a certain type of reply. But MashaAllah our brothers and sisters on TTI are also very learned and strong. I think they have answered very well.
I am proud of them. :mashallah: