strive-may-i
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Everything with a beginning has a cause. Correct. So, where you think it should not lead us to?You are probably right that everything that is created must have had a creator. Where does this get us?
Everything with a beginning has a cause. Correct. So, where you think it should not lead us to?You are probably right that everything that is created must have had a creator. Where does this get us?
I think, its about those who pray ( but are heedless), but do no acts of charity. Allah goes on to say woe to such people..........I think this passage "Do you know the one who denies the (Day of) Judgment? It is he who pushes the orphan away, and urges not to feed the needy. Woe, then unto those praying ones, who are heedless of their prayers, who want to be seen and praised, and refuse (to give) even little things in charity (al-Ma’un 107: 1-7)." is not true.
Yes. If not for the compassion component among living beings, the world would long be dead. The compassion is also out of creators bounty called Mercy. You might not agree to it, but thats the viewpoint of all who believe in creator.I know many people who do not believe in the day of judgement who are charitable and who give of their time to help others.
Good you know where you have to work on. Same here, I have my own bucketlist to work on. May each of us reach our goals... Ameen.I try to be respectful to people, but I acknowledge that when people are rude to me I can be rude back. This is a fault which I will work on.
You are so condescending. "learn, little boy, learn"? Is being smug and condescending part of being a good Muslim?
You are not sorry and this is the last time I respond to you.
Everything with a beginning has a cause. Correct. So, where you think it should not lead us to?
No, I think it gets us nowhere. If we agree that nothing can exist without being made, then that rule must apply to everything or it means nothing.
If you state that something does exist without being made, i.e. God, then why should other things not exist without being made?
To quote Bertrand Russell, ""If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause. If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world as God, so that there cannot be any validity in that argument. It is exactly of the same nature as the Hindu's view, that the world rested upon an elephant and the elephant rested upon a tortoise; and when they said, 'How about the tortoise?' the Indian said, 'Suppose we change the subject.'"
came late to this thread, what is your question? who created god?No, I think it gets us nowhere. If we agree that nothing can exist without being made, then that rule must apply to everything or it means nothing.
If you state that something does exist without being made, i.e. God, then why should other things not exist without being made?
To quote Bertrand Russell, ""If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause. If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world as God, so that there cannot be any validity in that argument. It is exactly of the same nature as the Hindu's view, that the world rested upon an elephant and the elephant rested upon a tortoise; and when they said, 'How about the tortoise?' the Indian said, 'Suppose we change the subject.'"
came late to this thread, what is your question? who created god?
what is so strange about the clothing?No, this was a reply to another point, which was a reply to another point etc. etc.
I agree that we are way off topic, but to sum up what I think - if someone wants to compete in the Olympics they should be free to do so, no matter where they live. We are not all blessed with revelations or spiritual insights, and some of our brothers and sisters will only reach their full potential if they are allowed to compete in sports in which they naturally excel.
So why should we try to stop them? And why should we give them strange clothes to wear which hamper their chances of being successful?
It is true that I am not a Muslim. But if I were I hope I would celebrate the bodies that Allah has given us, rather than hiding them away, just as I would refrain from mutilating babies because it was written in a book that I should do so...
It's not uncommon for a religion, which relies on faith, to have a belief such as this. To warn against the obvious question doesn't provide an adequate answer.Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "Satan comes to one of you and says, 'Who created so-and-so? 'till he says, 'Who has created your Lord?' So, when he inspires such a question, one should seek refuge with Allah and give up such thoughts."
Sahih Bukhari 4:54:496
It's not uncommon for a religion, which relies on faith, to have a belief such as this. To warn against the obvious question doesn't provide an adequate answer.
In effect it is saying, "when someone asks a question which calls into doubt all that you believe, ignore it and think of something else."
Doesn't seem to me to be a good basis for faith.
what is so strange about the clothing?
i agree that it would be wonderful celebrate the bodies that god has given you provided you do not transgress the limits ordained, simple really
anyway, you don't mind me asking what your viewpoint on life is? whether you are religious or not
calling yourself a muslim doesn't make you a better person of course but acting muslim doesOf course I don't mind. I came to this site to find out about Islam and the people that follow it. I have been brought up in a family without faith, but I am curious to find out why people choose to have faith.
I know that people who follow religions tend to be happier and I would like to know why.
I have no book to guide me and I wonder whether having such guidance would make my life better or worse.
I have already met some interesting and inspiring people here, but I have also met some ignorant and rude people. Pretty much what I would expect on any site about any subject; so I am beginning to think that calling yourself a Muslim does not make you a better person...
It's not uncommon for a religion, which relies on faith, to have a belief such as this. To warn against the obvious question doesn't provide an adequate answer.
In effect it is saying, "when someone asks a question which calls into doubt all that you believe, ignore it and think of something else."
Doesn't seem to me to be a good basis for faith.
what is so strange about the clothing?
i agree that it would be wonderful celebrate the bodies that god has given you provided you do not transgress the limits ordained, simple really
calling yourself a muslim doesn't make you a better person of course but acting muslim does
the only guidance worth anything is guidance from god if you believe in him as without god man has no purpose. "life is like being thrown into slavery" some clever guy once said
so why do you choose to have no faith?
Of course I don't mind. I came to this site to find out about Islam and the people that follow it. I have been brought up in a family without faith, but I am curious to find out why people choose to have faith.
I know that people who follow religions tend to be happier and I would like to know why.
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If we had a designer I would have expected the design to be better.Because of Quran, Quran and science co-exist perfectly. There is a chapter in Quran called The Bee, just look at the bee how constructs that complex house of hers and how every bee is perfected with a sistem to produce honey...who did this ? who teached her ?
You say what are the signs of Allah, i would ask: what are not ?
From inside you, the cells that makes one organ, the organs that make one system, the systems that make one body, all in order and with a clear design, you breath, you eat, you are programed to sleep and rest..there is no Designer ? And around us, from the rain that gives the food ...and the clouds, to the movments of planets, Sun....there is much to speek about if we look in the right direction...
I hope you reflect on Quran, leaving a little rest to the sects of islam and the bad examples....
Good day
If we had a designer I would have expected the design to be better.
Why did he design our eyes to have a blind spot?
Why are we prone to back ache because our spines were originally horizontal and not vertical?
What possible reason was there to give us an appendix?
Why do men die earlier than women?
The bee is perhaps the worst example of good design that you could give. And why would a bee need to be taught? Any slight interest in science would explain exactly why, with no recourse to a 'creator'.
I assumed that people who believed would have a good reason to do so. I am a bit disappointed...