Imaam Ahmad and his boycott of Imaam Yahyaa ibn Ma'een, lessons learned

Abu Juwairiya

Junior Member
http://audio-islam.com/2013/06/25/i...bin-haadee-al-madkhalee-videoar-en-subtitles/

The audio recording is by Muhammad bin Haadee al-Madkhalee.

Imam Yahya Ibn Ma'een was among the best Shaikhs of his generation and of later times, both in terms of Islamic knowledge, zuhud and sincerity. However, he made one mistake in understanding a religious issue; he believed the Qur'an was created. Imam Ahmad was his contemporary and also his senior in rank, age and learning and it was during the last part of his life, Imam Yahya embraced Islam and started his training to be a scholar.

One purpose of including this on the forum is for all of us to ask ourselves the questions the speaker puts to us from 7:21 onwards in our own individual capacities of authority and junior or senior positions of power as Muslims. As custodians of Islam to those under us and to those who take their knowledge from us as trusted sources, are we confident that we are acting and speaking correctly, justly and truthfully.
 

Abu Juwairiya

Junior Member
This was a notion that developed due to the need for some Muslims to attempt to interpret for themselves verses of the Qur'an that seemed to them to be metaphysically impossible or unrealistic. The group that championed beliefs like this came to be known as Mutazila, of which Yahya Ibn Ma'een was not a member.

It held that the Qur'an was a created thing and not necessarily eternal. Other ideas that enveloped among them included the implausibility of 'Allah's Hands', 'Allah's Eyes' etc.

Imam Ahmad Hanbals' issue was that Muslims would believe some of those ideas to have some weight because of either the tacit or full consent of Yahya's view with the Qur'an as a created entity. It also was a matter of concern that Muslims might take one thing Sheikh Yahya agreed with to accept that he agreed with all their views.
 

MehmetHilmi

Junior Member
Implausibility of Allah's hands and eyes is a common view today. Only few people still hang on to anthronorphism . Most Muslims would laugh at this matter.
 

Abu Juwairiya

Junior Member
Implausibility of Allah's hands and eyes is a common view today. Only few people still hang on to anthronorphism . Most Muslims would laugh at this matter.

True, but this was the age when Muslims first started to take these ideas and opinions seriously. Previously, it had always been what Allah says is what we accept, we do not try to reason with what our intelligence may not be able to comprehend.
 

zaman-gm

Junior Member
We don't need to think about Allah swt's existence/appearance but his creation. It's Allah who knows about himself. We just know what ever he and his messenger call us through Ohi. May Allah Guide all of us. Ameen.
 

karbala

Junior Member
We're limited creatures, but Allah is unlimited. Limited things can't understand unlimited. All things in this universe are mirrors reflecting any attribute of Allah. For example when we look at the immense space and it's stars, we find that the creator of it is powerful. Space is a mirror reflecting power of Allah. We read this Verse in Quran(6-103): "No eye can see him, though he sees all eyes. he is the subtle, the aware."
 
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