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    “We will show you things worse than Guantanamo”

    Written by Arnaud Mafille Wednesday, 04 July 2012


    On 1 June 2012, Belgian newspapers reported the arrest of Stéphanie Djato, a young lady wearing a niqab (face veil) after an identity check. It was added that she assaulted police officers and injured two of them before being released. A few days ago, she gave her own version of the story and described what happened in the police station’s storage room where she was held (here). A statement allegedly made by one of the policemen especially resonates: “We will show you things worse than Guantanamo! Here it is worse than Guantanamo!”

    Indeed, the treatment to which she was subjected was clearly inspired by the way American soldiers would “process” detainees of the War on Terror.

    The young lady explains what happened after she removed her face veil but refused to undress fully. Two female officers attempted to take off her clothes forcefully and started to beat her. Unable to do so, they then called two male officers who allegedly joined the beating sessions. She explains:

    “They called in the help of a third male officer who was told to bring a pair of scissors. They threw me on the floor and the male officer sat on my buttocks and he started to cut my clothes: my jilbaab, niqab and underwear. So there I was on the floor with that cop on my back who tore my clothes with scissors and the rest he tore with his hands. Meanwhile, my face was being kicked and my body was being punched by the two policemen who stood beside me (...) At that point, a male cop came and he put handcuffs on me, with my hands behind my back. I had my hair tied in a knot, he snatched the rubber band out of my hair and he pulled me by my hair to put me on my feet. He pulled my hair and my handcuffs and I sat on my two knees.”

    The abuses worsened when the young lady accidentally head butted one of the female agents in her attempt to avert the beatings of the police officers.

    “The police really became wild and they threw me back on the floor and started to undress me completely, they started to cut my underwear and pulled off my pants. I was naked.”


    These words disturbingly echoe those of Moazzam Begg, a British citizen who spent several years in Guantanamo without charge and who is currently directing Cageprisoners. In his autobiography, EnemyCombatant, he recalls his “processing” after he was handed over by the Pakistanis to US personnel.

    “I was tripped onto the ground to the prone position again. This time I felt knees pushing hard against my ribs and legs, and crushing down on my skull simultaneously. I was pinned to the ground by this massive weight; I was not sure how many of them were on me – perhaps three. I couldn’t move an inch. I felt the shackles being undone from the ankles, and then I felt a cold, sharp metal object against my legs: they were using a knife to slice off my clothes, and I felt the cold even more, though the humiliation was worse. With the trousers off, the shackles were replaced against my bare skin. The process was repeated with the shirt – my arms were twisted behind my back, until reshackling was complete. I was pulled up to a standing position and the hood was removed.”

    Asim Qureshi, commenting on the Zelikowtorturememo, has already explained how sexual humiliation has become a part of the instruments of the War on Terror, by preying on Muslim sensitivities. Coupled with physical violence, psychological abuse aims at stripping off the individual not just from his clothes but also from his dignity and humanity.

    These are exactly the feelings described by Stéphanie Djato:

    “They have offended me, the Muslim women, Islam … There was a small piece of cloth hanging from my neck, the man who sat on me was pulling it back, he strangled me with that piece of my niqab. I had the impression I was dying, I was suffocating, I could not breathe, I was shaking and my eyes rolled back, I was panicking. I thought I would die. I screamed in panic, anxiety... I was so stressed that I shouted: “Stop, stop please, I’ll do what you want, but please stop, stop this torture I’m going to do what you want! You are going to kill me!”Then they replied: “You can die!” And then they were insulting me, they said things I can’t mention. At that point, I received so many blows that I fainted on the floor, I could not move, and I screamed so much that I couldn’t scream anymore …”

    However, her plight did not end there.

    “When they realised that they had gone too far and they raised my pants back up and they covered me partially with a top that I had. They dragged me so I could get up and they dragged me by the police department in front of all their colleagues. The colleagues asked, “Who is this?” Which the police said: “This is a burqa, this is a burqa!” For me this was a triple humiliation because I was half naked and this was a big humiliation for me, because I felt how everyone stared at me, I felt dirty by their eyes that were focused on my body, this was a humiliation for me. They paraded me for five minutes or so across the police station. And they were screaming: “Look, look this is a burqa!” And to finish, they threw me in a cell for about 2 hours.”

    She was eventually transferred to the nearest hospital, bare foot and half dressed, and immediately admitted into intensive care.

    This case could be seen as an isolated and unfortunate incident, completely unrelated to the War on Terror. However, the reference to Guantanamo made by one of the police officers is indeed significant. Guantanamo has created a mentality which branches out beyond the detention camps and conflict zones. It has normalised the idea that Muslims can be treated under a separate regime. Legislation going against hundreds-year old legal tradition canbe adopted to restrict or annihilate their right to a fair trial or their freedom of religion alike. The implementation of these policies shall be ruthless for them to be taught a lesson with, at the end of the day, very little protest.

    It is interesting that Stéphanie Djato was placed in a storage room and not in an office as she noticed. She was symbolically taken out of the normal system where no rule would apply, just like 779 men were kidnapped all around the world and brought to an Island where none of the existing laws would prevail.

    If Guantanamo still needs to be physically closed down, the impalpable state of mind it has spread also needs to be reversed...


    Source: Cageprisoners.com
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    Assaalaam alaikum,.


    Why was she on a tram alone. If you a woman who is going to be in niqqab and you are following the faith to that degree why oh why are you traveling alone. And you know this is against the law. Why do you want it both ways. You can not have it both ways. Why would you risk this.

    I know my answer is not going to be popular. Yes, I feel sorry for the girl but she was alone.

    Did someone not explain to the revert that a woman does not go out alone? You can not have it both ways. You can not.

    It is well known that police are brutal to those they detain.

    But will someone explain to the niqqabi sisters the fundamental rules for women wearing niqqab, please.
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    Expecting that there is will be no sexual harassment was not too much for someone living as a citizen in Belgium or any civilized country. She is well acquainted with the place. Visiting without a mahram is not sinful for her there. Even if it was sinful, the sexual harassment suffered due to this deserve the highlight and disapproval most.

    The Polices :

    1. uncovered her by sitting on her buttock using a scissor to cut her clothes including underwear,

    2. tore her clothes using hands of men,

    3. kicked on her face,

    4. pulled her hair violently,

    5. forced to kneel her,

    6. made her completely nude,

    7. used clothes to suffocate her,

    8. beat her violently,

    9. and then paraded her half naked in the police station.



    Any sane human will be disgusted by this.
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    This is the humiliation which shouldn't let a muslim who has gheerah sleep at night and cry in shame.This Syria and all of the other things,may Allah help us and have mercy on us.Ameen.

    This is a test for all of us,may Allah help us.Ameen.


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    How heartless would a person have to be to do something this horrible. :/

    May Allaah help the Muslims.
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    what do you mean 'why was she alone on tram'? she perhaps was going to work or somewhere. Please i want you to provide me with a solution on how sisters can go out with mahram always. Its IMPOSSIBLE specially in the western countries. Seriously sister, the sisters cannot always tag along mahrams.
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    Assalaam alaikum,

    What was done to this sister is a sin.

    But, that does not excuse us from being smart. Do not allow yourself to be in such a position. The kufr change their laws daily. And brother..once again..if a woman wears niqqab she must understand the responsibility that comes with the niqqab. Why would you fight the police. That is automatic six months in jail in the US.

    Her suffering was brought on to herself by herself.

    We Muslims have to help ourselves. We have to be smart.

    If you think this is new..wake up.

    The sister should have known better. When you decide to do something be cognizant of the consequences. She wore niqqab and went out alone. Stop right there. Why? Why do you follow half the faith?
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    Assalamu allaicum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu

    I could not read this news in details Wallahi, because I could suppose what is written there and I can not read those awfull things what they have done to our sister or to any other human being Astagfirullah. But I can only say that may Allah punish them for thier deeds and protect our Ummah. How some "people" do not have hearts but instead a stone in thier cheests, but on the end they will destroy themselves only. And Allah knows the best .

    Sister Aapa, there is no any responsability of the victim, in this or any simular crime against one person, but the responsability whole belongs to the one who commits crime against certain person, in this case our sister in Islam.Alhamdulilah I go alone on University, like I guess you aslo sister go alone at your work,or many others sisters go without mahram, because there is a need for it as it is impossible that Mahram person always accompanied us, but we as Muslim woman need to learn to stand by ourselfes us well, and be always strong and take care about ourselfes.

    And Allah knows the best.

    May Allah protect our Ummah.Ameen summa Ameen
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    Asalamu Alaykum,

    A woman who wears the niqab should not and cannot be confined to the house. She's not in jail. The sister was traveling in her town/city. Women in Islam can travel without mahram when going about in their own neighborhoods to go to school, work, shopping etc. A person, be it man or a woman cannot stay in the house all the time. There are times when there's no mahram to accompany the sister and she needs to go out for an important reason. There are many women who get attacked every day for no reason who by the way are not in Niqab or even hijab. So what happened to this sister was not her fault and she didn't bring it upon herself. Like the sister said before, she used to go out in her town without any problems. May Allah help her and reward her for what she endured for Allah's sake.

    Here's a fatwa concerning women and traveling:

    Question: Can a woman get out of her house, to go to school or work in her town, without a Mahram?

    Answer:All perfect praise be to Allaah, The Lord of the Worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah, and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger. We ask Allaah to exalt his mention as well as that of his family and all his companions.

    There is no harm for a woman to go to work or to school in her town without a Mahram (a non-marriageable relative) if this does not necessitate travel (83 km or more) and if she abides by the religious requirements, like wearing the Hijaab, not mixing with men, and the route to and from work is safe. It is only when a woman is travelling that she needs to be accompanied by a Mahram and not when she is in her city or town. On this issue please refer to Fataawa: 83795 and 84377. With regard to the characteristic of an Islamic Hijaab, please refer to Fatwa: 83702. As regards the conditions for a woman to work, please refer to Fataawa: 82399 and 83953.
    Allaah knows best.

    source: http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=89305
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    She wore a niqaab and went out alone - how has she half followed the deen in what she was doing? Explain yourself fully and please do not imply things by only going half way, come clean, what is it that you are trying to say?

    Why is that you are pointing fingers at your Muslim sister instead of the oppressive law that gave rise to her abuse? Why are you saying she should change her ways rather than point out how oppressive and wrong the law itself is and say that it should be the thing that changes?

    Your loyalties are 100% questionable.
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    Aye? What on earth are you sniffing?.

    The response from Sister al-Fajar is bang on the money.
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    Assalaamu alaykkum wa rahmatullah

    Why is that everytime a sister suffers because of this filthy kaafirs you have to put the blame completely on that poor muslimah?
    This is not the first time i see you write such things.

    After a person go through such a trauma the last thing they want to see/hear is his/her fellow brother/sister say such things.
    I hope none that is affected like this see your posts... And i say this with good intention, but Allah knows best.
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    Assalamu'alaikum!


    Our poor sister we really
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    Assaalaam alaikum,

    In no way did I say that I do think what was done to her was right. I wrote that. I was very clear this was a sin.

    Now...given that the kufr acted like the kufr I tried to explain why they did. The kufr fabricate their laws. The laws of kufr change.

    Here is a young woman who is from the kufr. She became Muslim. Nothing upsets a kufr more than a woman of theirs who becomes Muslim. It makes them ballistic. Once she was detained without protection they acted like animals. There are no rights left.

    So, I am trying to warn young sisters that you have to be careful when you defy the laws of the kufr. We can not say the young sister was ignorant of the laws of the country. Ignorance of the law does not stand up in court. When you are accused of breaking the law until you have protection i.e. an attorney you will be beaten. They even beat and rape their own women.

    In Islam we are given laws to follow. Allah subhana wa taala knows the heart of men ( inclusive). When women go out unattended there are possible dangers. We have to be careful. We can not be foolish. It is best to be out with a group or at least two.

    We have to be alert. Women are not safe in racist backwards countries. Why would a woman knowingly in a racist environment be alone in niqqab. Please answer this queston.

    Trust me nothing will be done in the court systems; they are corrupt. They uphold the laws of the kufr.


    I am clean. I am looking at a bigger picture. We are given warnings in Islam. Women are the most precious gift to man. We need to be protected and we need to protect ourselves. When we break the laws of the kufr they are severe with us. As I wrote do you think they would be kind. Of course not.

    So the question becomes how do you live in a backwards racist country with oppressive laws and abide by them without compromising your faith? What good are the sentiments of the responders thus far. Merely sentiments. In what way has anyone helped to revise the laws? What lesson did the young sister learn? Are there any grassroot movements to assist young sisters to avoid such situations in the future?

    Someone please explain why a person who breaks a law is going to get sympathy from the ones who wrote the laws and constantly change the laws to their liking.

    Do you think we can do as we please in the land of the kufr without suffering? What are you sniffing? They roughed up one of their own..now think what they would have done to a non-native.

    Sister Fajr...think about this. With niqqab comes a certain responsibility. The message that is given is that this person adheres to the faith on a level that is almost absolute. This person follows the laws of Islam at all times. So it is imperative that a sister knows all aspects of her faith. And she follows the faith to a t. That is the message that she gives. She is giving the message that she more so than the hijabi will not step one step away from the dictates of Islam. Are the sisters who wear niqqab aware of the message and responsibility they take on.

    In summary thus when you act you must be aware of all the consequences. She wore a niqqab in a country that does not tolerate it. Ok..in this country they get stupid. They get so stupid they beat you raw. They have a law to justify that they will humiliate you as much as they can. What do you think they would simply give you a ticket?

    Instead of being upset with me you should spend the energy in trying to educate sisters. Teach them how to respond in situations. Have them role-play scenarios to protect themselves.
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    "She is giving the message that she more so than the hijabi will not step one step away from the dictates of Islam. Are the sisters who wear niqqab aware of the message and responsibility they take on."

    I have to ask you, do you ever think that some of the things you type in here about the calamities which are befalling Muslim women could be angering Allah? I mean do you ever think about that, really? Because you seem to be accusing these poor victims of bringing this upon themselves without a second thought. In the above statement you ARE STILL ACCUSING the sister of "stepping away from the dictates of Islam." How did she do that? Like many have said to you, she can go out alone without a mahram if it is necessary. Besides that, even if she was supposed to go out only with a mahram and didn't, she still doesn't deserve what happened to her. In fact, a woman who doesn't wear hijab, forget that, a NON-Muslim woman doesn't deserve that. Non-Muslims are not animals, they have brains. They shouldn't act like that, especially when they are supposed to be those who supposedly "protect" the people.
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    Assalamualaykum

    La`anat be upon those who dishonored the sister and humiliated her. Allah doesn't spare those who humiliate his slaves.
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    Assalaam alaikum,

    Sister,

    Please stop. I am well aware of what I write. I am a Believer. I take this seriously.

    Yes, the sister wore the niqqab. Now, accept what comes with it. If you do not wear a seat-belt and you get stopped by a policeman you get a ticket. If the policeman asks you to step out of the car you are in big trouble. Same thing. She knew the consequences of wearing a niqqab.

    What veils are covering your eyes. What do you think that the police are going to play with you? Yes, the police harm people. Where have you had your heads stuck in?

    As Muslims we have to be aware of our behavior. We have to understand if we break a law we will be subject to being punished. Did you even understand what I wrote. I guess not. Go back and reread what I wrote.

    I think many of the responders need to think. If you are going out alone you will be intimidated and harassed. Even the kurf women are taught that much. If you are alone and break the law you will be beaten. Do you think this is new?

    No the sister did not deserve what happened. No one deserves to be beaten. Police brutality will not go away.

    But the sister did not think it would happen to her. She underestimated the evil and reality of police brutality. They have a law and they took it out on her.

    Sister, wake up when did the police ever protect the people. Seriously, have you not taken the time to read your history.


    Did you not think that the sister who wore a niqqab knowing it was against the law of the land anger Allah? She broke the law of the land. She was alone breaking the law.

    Yes, you hit the nail on the head. By wearing niqqab she broke the law. She knew she was breaking the law. Now, what she did not know was how seriously the police took that. They did to her what they do to others. Are you even aware of the number of men who die mysteriously in jail overnight? Do you think this is new?


    PS: It is imperative to understand that the sister was brutalized for being a revert. She left their world to come to us. They made an example of her. She came to something better. And she will be blessed for that. However, in this wicked world, they had to punish her for just that. It is nothing new.
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    The way you respond to this kind of news...it's just not right. I mean for a woman who is a Muslim and a mother too, your statements come across as insensitive and arrogant. subhanalaaah a Muslim woman was beaten, humiliated and her faith insulted and the first thing you pointed out was what she did wrong and you said that she brought this onto herself. How can you even think of what she did wrong? You're supposed to feel angry and sad for what happened to her. A believer should feel the pain of their brothers and sisters in Islam. And niqab and a seatbelt are not things to compare. Hijab is part of our faith and identity. And for some women who believe the niqab as obligatory the niqab is part of their hijab. so how would u feel if you were asked to take off your hijab*
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    Assalaam alaikum,

    Your perception of my response does not make me arrogant nor wrong.

    The lack of thought is disturbing. I simply pointed out if you know there is law and you are willing to break the law you must be aware of the consequences. That is simple. Now it becomes complicated when you are a Muslim. You have more responsibility. You have to be knowledge about your responsibility. If you are going to tackle the law be prepared.

    What good did this do? How has this helped anyone? We have to act in a responsible manner. The scholars have told us that. Is it responsible to break the law?

    Sister, I am sorry but no-one can tell what I am supposed to feel. What is up with questioning a response that is not popular. I told you from the get-go I was going to respond in a manner that would make everyone uncomfortable. At what point do we stop feeling sorry for ourselves? This is about personal accountability.

    I live in a land where I do not have to take off anything. I am blessed. I have spent a life-time on civil rights for all people. But, I am well aware that should I choose to break a law I know the repercussions and consequences. I am not blind. I have sought much knowledge and know my rights.

    We are warned to take precautions. We must heed what our faith tells us to do or not to do.

    If you wear something banned you will be given the full fury of those that enforce the ban. The police went to extremes. Why do you think this is new? Why? The police are not rational beings. It is a well known fact that they are not the sharpest pencils in the bin.

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