Video A female voice is heard leading both men and women in prayer

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    In a nondescript suburb of Toronto, an unknown American woman makes history. For the first time in any mosque, anywhere, a female voice is heard leading both men and women in prayer.

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    Insha Allah
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    I am really speechless at the moment. This is totally unacceptable in Islam.

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    :salam2: Astagfirullah. I am a woman and i completely disagree with this. beside that did you see the hijab. Atleast wear it properly
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    I am sure the question will come up eventually: What is wrong with a woman leading men in prayer?
    So, here is the answer from Islam Q&A:

    Question:
    What is the ruling on a woman leading men in Jumu’ah and other prayers?.
    Answer:
    Praise be to Allaah.

    Firstly:

    Allaah has singled out men for some virtues and rulings, and He has singled out women for other virtues and rulings. It is not permissible for any man to wish for that which has been granted to women only, nor is it permissible for any woman to wish for that which has been granted to men. This kind of wishing is tantamount to objecting to the laws and rulings of Allaah.

    Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And wish not for the things in which Allaah has made some of you to excel others. For men there is reward for what they have earned, (and likewise) for women there is reward for what they have earned, and ask Allaah of His Bounty. Surely, Allaah is Ever All‑Knower of everything”

    [al-Nisa’ 4:32]

    al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

    Allaah forbids the believers to wish for that with which Allaah has favoured others, whether that is in things that are possible or things that are impossible. Women should not wish for the things that have been bestowed uniquely upon men, by which Allaah has favoured them over women, and no poor person or person who has shortcomings should merely wish for the position of one who is rich or perfect, because this is the essence of destructive envy (hasad)… and because that implies displeasure with the decree of Allaah. End quote.

    One of the things for which Allaah has singled out men is that the acts of worship which require physical strength, such as jihad, or require a position of leadership such as leading the prayers, etc., are only for men, and women have nothing to do with them.

    This is indicated by a great deal of evidence, such as the following:

    1 – Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allaah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means”

    [al-Nisa’ 4:34]

    al-Shaafa’i said in al-Umm (1/191):

    If a woman leads men, women and boys in prayer, then the prayer of the women is valid and the prayer of the men and boys is invalid, because Allaah has given men the role of protectors and maintainers of women, and He has not allowed them to be in charge, so it is not permissible for a woman to lead a man in prayer under any circumstances, ever. End quote.

    Al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

    Men have been favoured over women in numerous ways, such as the fact that positions of leadership and Prophethood are limited to men only, and many acts of worship, such as jihad and leading the Eid prayers and Jumu’ah prayers, are for men only, and Allaah has favoured them with intellect, wisdom, patience and toughness which women do not share. End quote.

    2 – Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise”

    [al-Baqarah 2:228]

    al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

    “but men have a degree over them” means higher status and leadership, and more rights over them, as Allaah says, “Men are the protectors and maintainers of women”. The position of Prophet and judge, leading the prayers and leading the state, and all positions of authority, are restricted to men. End quote.

    3 – al-Bukhaari (4425) narrated that Abu Bakrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No people will ever succeed who appoint a woman as their leader.”

    This hadeeth indicates that it is not permissible for a woman to hold a position of public authority, and leading the prayers is a position of public authority.

    4 – Abu Dawood (576) and Ahmad (5445) narrated that Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not prevent your women from attending the mosques, although their houses are better for them.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Sunan Abi Dawood.

    It says in ‘Awn al-Ma’bood:

    “although their houses are better for them” means: their praying in their houses is better for them than their praying in the mosques, if only they knew, but they do not know that, and they ask for permission to go out to the mosques, because they think that the reward for them in the mosque is greater. The reason why their praying at home is better is that there is no danger of fitnah. That was confirmed after women began to wear adornments. End quote.

    5 – Muslim (440) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The best rows for men are those are the front and the worst are those at the back, and the best rows for women are those at the back and the worst are those at the front.”

    Al-Nawawi said:

    The phrase “the rows for men” is to be understood in general terms as meaning that the best of them are those that are at the front, and the worst are those at the back, and that is always the case. As for the rows for women, what is meant in this hadeeth is the rows of women who are praying with men. But if women are praying on their own and not with men, then they are like men and the best rows are those at the front and the worst are those at the back. What is meant by the worst rows for both men and women is that they bring less reward, are lower in status and are further removed from what is required by sharee’ah. And the best rows are the opposite of that. The virtue of the last row for women who are praying with men is that they are farther away from mixing with men or seeing them or becoming attracted to them when seeing their movements or hearing their words and so on. The first rows are condemned for the opposite of that. And Allaah knows best. End quote.

    If a woman is enjoined to pray in her house and keep away from men, and the worst rows for women are the front rows, because they are closer to the men, then how can it be befitting for Islam to allow a woman to pray as an imam, leading men in prayer, when it enjoins her to keep away from men?

    6 – al-Bukhaari (684) and Muslim (421) narrated from Sahl ibn Sa’d al-Saa’idi that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “Whoever notices anything amiss during the prayer, let him say tasbeeh, for if he does so it will be noticed; and clapping is only for women.”

    al-Haafiz said:

    It is as if women are not allowed to say tasbeeh because they are enjoined to keep their voices low in prayer at all times, because of the fear of fitnah. End quote.

    If women are forbidden to alert the imam by speaking if he makes a mistake, and should clap instead, so that they will not raise their voice in the presence of men, then how can it be allowed for a woman to lead them in prayer and deliver a khutbah to them?

    7 – Muslim (658) narrated from Anas ibn Maalik that he prayed behind the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and with him was his grandmother and an orphan. He said: The orphan and I stood in a row behind him, and the old woman stood behind us.

    Al-Haafiz said:

    This shows that a woman should not stand in a row with a man. The basic reason is that there is the fear of fitnah because of her. End quote.

    If a woman should stand on her own behind the rows, and not stand in the same row as the men, how can she stand in front of them and lead them in prayer?

    It says in ‘Awn al-Ma’bood:

    This indicates that it is not permissible for a woman to lead men in prayer, because if she is not allowed to stand in the same row as them, it is less likely that she should be allowed to stand in front of them. End quote.

    8 – According to the actions of the Muslims throughout fourteen hundred years, no woman should be allowed to men in prayer.

    Badaa’i’ al-Sanaa’i’, 2/289

    Whoever goes against this is following a path other than that of the believers. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers’ way, We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell — what an evil destination!”

    [al-Nisa’ 4:115]

    There follow some comments of the scholars:

    It says in al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah (6/205):

    In order to lead men in prayers, it is essential that the imam be a male; it is not valid for a woman to lead men in prayers. The fuqaha’ are unanimously agreed on this matter. End quote.

    Ibn Hazm said in Maraatib al-Ijmaa’, p. 27

    They are unanimously agreed that a woman should not lead men in prayer when they know that she is a woman. If they do that then their prayer is invalid, according to scholarly consensus. End quote.

    It says in al-Muhalla (2/167):

    It is not permissible for a woman to lead a man or men in prayer. There is no difference of scholarly opinion on this point. Moreover the text states that a woman invalidates a man’s prayer if she walks in front of him… The ruling of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is that she should definitely stand behind the man in prayer, and the imam must stand in front of the congregation or with one who is praying with him in the same row… From these texts it may be established that it is definitely invalid for a woman to lead a man or men in prayer. End quote.

    Al-Nawawi (4/152) said in al-Majmoo (4/152):

    Our companions are agreed that it is not permissible for an adult man or a boy to pray behind a woman… the prohibition on a woman leading men in prayer applies equally to obligatory prayers, Taraweeh and all supererogatory prayers. This is our view and the view of all the scholars from the earlier and later generations – may Allaah have mercy on them. Al-Bayhaqi narrated this from the seven fuqaha’, the Taabi’i fuqaha’ of Madeenah. It is also the view of Maalik, Abu Haneefah, Sufyaan, Ahmad and Dawood….

    Moreover if a woman leads a man or men in prayer, the men’s prayer is invalid, but her prayer and the prayer of any women who pray behind her is valid in all prayers, except if she leads them in Jumu’ah prayer, in which case there are two views, the most sound of which is that her prayer does not count. The second view is that it does count and it takes the place of Zuhr. This is the view of Shaykh Abu Haamid, but it does not amount to anything. And Allaah knows best.

    In al-Insaaf (2/265) it says:

    “ A woman’s leading a man in prayer is not valid” –

    This is our view in general – meaning the madhhab of Imam Ahmad – it says in al-Mustaw’ib: This is the correct view. End quote.

    The Maaliki view concerning this matter is the strictest of all. They do not allow a woman to lead even other women in prayer, and they regard maleness as an essential condition for leading the prayer in all cases. In al-Fawaakih al-Dawaani it says (1/204):

    Note that there are conditions for leading the prayer to be valid and complete. The conditions of it being valid are thirteen, the first of which is being male; it is not valid for a woman or an effeminate man to lead the prayer. The prayer of the one who prays behind a woman is invalid but not the prayer of the female who led the prayer. End quote.

    Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about a man who prayed ‘Asr behind his wife. He replied:

    It is not permissible for a woman to lead a man in prayer and his prayer offered behind her is not valid, because of a great deal of evidence to that effect, and the man mentioned must repeat his prayer.”

    Majmoo’ Fataawa Ibn Baaz, 12/130

    Secondly:

    With regard to the evidence presented by those who refer to the reports which say that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) gave Umm Waraqah permission to led her household in prayer (narrated by Abu Dawood, 591), they say that she used to lead the people of her house in prayer, among whom were men and boys. The scholars have given several answers to that:

    indent: -18.0pt; margin-left: 36.0pt; margin-right: 36.0pt; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: .0001pt" align="left"> 1- The hadeeth is da’eef (weak).

    Al-Haafiz said in al-Talkhees (p. 121): Its isnaad includes ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Khallaad who is unknown. End quote.

    It says in al-Muntaqa Sharh al-Muwatta’:

    This hadeeth is one to which no attention should be paid. End quote.

    Even if the hadeeth is saheeh, what it means is that she used to lead the women of her household in prayer.

    That was something that applied only to Umm Waraqah, and it is not prescribed for anyone else.

    Some scholars quote it as evidence that a woman may lead a man in prayer, but only in cases of necessity, and what is meant by necessity is when there is no man who can recite al-Faatihah properly. Haashiyat Ibn Qaasim, 2/313

    See al-Mughni. 3/33.

    Anyone who has basic knowledge of tajweed can clearly tell that she didn`t recite the Fatihah correctly.
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    Women leading prayers

    Question:
    Can women pray in congregation ( Jamaah ) with a woman performing as Imaam ?

    Answer:

    Praise be to Allaah.

    It is not prescribed for women to recite the adhaan and iqaamah as it is for men. If a woman does recite the adhaan and iqaamah, it may be one of the three following scenarios:

    1 – She recites the adhaan and iqaamah for a group of men only, or for a mixed group of men and women. This is not prescribed in Islam and her adhaan and iqaamah for a group of men do not count

    2 – She recites them for a group of women only.

    3 – Or she recites them for herself when she is alone.

    It is permissible for her to recite the adhaan for a group of women or for herself, but it is not like the case with men. For men it is more emphatically required, whereas for women, if they give the adhaan it is permissible, and if they do not, it is also permissible. If a woman does recite the adhaan, she must keep her voice low and make it just loud enough for her companions to hear.

    If a woman says the iqaamah for herself or for a group of women, that is better and is closer to what is mustahabb, but if she does not do that, the prayer is still valid.

    With regard to a woman leading the prayers and acting as an imaam, one of the two following scenarios may apply:

    1 – A woman leading men, or a mixed group of men and women. It is not correct for a woman to lead men in prayers at all, regardless of whether it is a fard (obligatory) prayer or a naafil (supererogatory) prayer.

    2 – A woman leading women in prayer. It is mustahabb for women to pray together (in jamaa’ah) when they get together in a place. One of them should lead the others, but she should stand with them in the middle of the row. It is permissible and correct for a woman to lead other women in prayer.



    From Wilaayat al-Mar’ah fi’l-Fiqh al-Islami
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    Ruling on woman being imaam for men

    Question:
    In Islam, can a woman be an imaam in a mosque? What are the conditions for a woman to be an imaam?

    Answer:

    Praise be to Allaah.

    It is not permissible for a woman to lead men in prayer. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Keep women behind [in the back rows] as Allaah has commanded.” (Narrated by ‘Abd al-Razzaaq in his Musannaf, 5115. The isnaad stops at Ibn Mas’ood with a longer report than this; the isnaad is saheeh but it is not proven that this was said by the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)).

    Moreover, the position of imaam in the mosque is a kind of wilaayah [public office], and wilaayah is only for men. “No nation prospers that appoints a woman over its affairs [wilaayah]” (narrated by al-Bukhaari, 13/45, 46), as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said.

    There is an exception made by the Hanbalis, but this is a weak opinion. This view says that a woman may lead the men in taraaweeh if she reads well and the men present are illiterate, but she should be behind them and they should be in front of her. But there is no evidence (daleel) to support this view. The point is that it is not permissible for a woman to lead men in prayer. Yes, women may lead other women in prayer, it is OK if she leads other women. This is fine, as stated in the report of Umm Waraqah leading some of her mahrams, but as for her leading non-mahram men or as a public office [wilaayah], such as being an imaam in a mosque, this is not permitted.



    Fataawa Samaahat al-Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Humayd, p. 130
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    Astighfrillah...It very sad when Feminism has infiltrated into our deen and oour worship
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    :astag: we have to be very strong and need the support of all the brothers and sisters. we need to make them aware of the rulings from Quran and Hadith. As we all know it is not about whether men are better than women. It is just about following the Quran wa sunnah. BTW Quran asserts everywhere men and women are equal in every respect. it is just that they are supposed to play different and respectable roles in their own way.
    May God help us in these troubled times. I remember Ms Amina Wudud tried the same thing last year. It just tore me apart and then when I followed it in detail I found that a certain non muhajjaba was behind those prayer organisations. And guess what many women in those congregational prayers were not dressed properly.
    Well these are the times of fitnah and harj. we should ask God to save our imaan.
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    This statement is incorrect, This happened in a Mosque (Ahmadi) in Trinidad a long time ago (maybe 16 years ago) and also recently in Newyork. Who knows there might be more. And we wonder why Allah most high is punishing us. We also have Muslims uploading videos on utube etc without knowledge. One I know who is debating but not practicing his deen the way one should. May Allah put a helping hand on this Ummah. May he save us from innovation and help us to stay on sirat-ul-mustakeem:wasalam:
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    I think that islam is very strict in avoiding Fitna .....That is why it is not Ok in islam for women to lead prayers ...Purity of hearts is a very noble goal to be achieved in islam .....Our world is missing those values badly while these vales : purity, modesty , chastey are the most beautiful values of humanity.:shymuslima1:

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    Asthagfirullah

    It is a simple fact to understand...whoever leads the prayer is an Imam...and Imam is the care-taker of the ummah / locality around the mosque...and Prophet SAAS has said tat no woman can be a leader..how can a woman lead then? and this lady is giving speech that every mosque on t earth shud follow it...are we ridden off all the knowledged persons on the earth? dont we have anyone to teach these guys? I really feel ashamed for being cowards.
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    "It is only those who have knowledge among His slaves that fear Allah. Verily, Allah is AllMighty, OftForgiving." [surah 35:28]

    allah will punish our nation by taking the knowledge away from the people...look what's happening...
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