Blame Ourselves or Blame the Rulers?

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    Assalamu'alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh,

    Brother, Jazaaka Allaahu khaayraa for sharing the video. However, I have one question.

    The story mentioned in the video by the Sheikh is quite similar with the story of Uqashah, the man that the Prophet Muhammad :saw2: mentioned to be among the occupants of Paradise. The man who went ahead to hug the Messenger :saw2: when the prophet revealed his clothes so that Uqashah may retaliate upon the incident when the Prophet :saw2: accidently hit Uqashah with a stick. This incident happened during the end time of the Prophethood life. I'm sure inshaa Allaah most of us is familiar with the story.

    But in the lecture above, the Sheikh mentioned the name Sawad. Is it the same person thus same story or two different stories?

    I may not be familiar with all the scholars but may I know the name of the Sheikh?

    :wasalam:
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    I know this has nothing to do with tjis post but i had this dream. And i need clarity.I had a dream that i was.with my friend i almost get into an accident but this gorgous man saves me. He obviously falls in love with me, but a woman says to me thats one spirit u do not want to get mad. So i brush her off and come to find out he died jumping into the ocean saving this woman..i could see feel and hear him as though he was alive. He was middle eastern and was very built. I fell heds over heels for him in my dream. But i foud a paper ...cant remember what typ of paper but his name was Rajeem.. he was saying something to me like calling me to him.. Wen i woke.up my sister said i was glowing not sure what it mean. Can some one pleade help me...
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    Further proof supporting this

    Assalamualaikum,

    It is sad that the truth is so misunderstood or hidden and can be so hard to grasp or be accepted by the masses at large due to the times we face today where everyone is calling you to their way. Be it other ideologies or Islam being influenced by secularist tools such as politics. I thank the person who posted this original thread and would like to add a few more supporting quotes from sahaba and the pious, Quran ayahs, hadiths and lectures so that it can help create a broader spectrum in everyone's mind regarding this topic. I am a student of knowledge and Alhamdulillah, I have been learning this from sheikhs and teachers who are very clear about this issue.

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    Following has been taken from a Letter by the Amir ul Mu’mineen, Umar ibn Al-Khattab (ra) to Sa’d ibn Abi Waqqas (ra) who was the commander of the Muslim Army. Umar advised his army to observe taqwa when setting out to fight the Romans and the Persians:

    “ I order you and your army to observe righteousness which is the best preparation against an enemy and the strongest weapon of war.

    I order you and your army to be more on guard against sins than your enemy because the sins of your army should be feared more then your enemy.

    Indeed we Muslims only triumph by the sinning of our enemies against Allah, otherwise we would not have the strength and advantage over them.

    Our numbers are not like theirs. The unbeliever will always outnumber us. Nor is our preparation like theirs.

    If we equal them in sins then they will prevail over us. If we cannot defeat them through our piety, then we will not be able to defeat them with our strength"

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    From al-Hasan al-Basree, as occurs in Adaab Hasan al-Basri, of Ibn al-Jawzee, (pp.119-120):

    Know - may Allaah pardon you - that the tyranny of the kings is a retribution (niqmah) from among the retributions of Allaah the Most High. And Allaah's retributions are not to be faced with the sword, but they are to be faced with taqwaa and are repelled with supplication and repentance, remorse (inaabah) and abstention from sins. Verily, when the punishments of Allaah are met with the sword, are more severe. And Maalik bin Deenaar narrated to me that al-Hajjaaj (Ibn Yoosuf) used to say, "Know that every time you commit a sin Allaah will bring about a punishment from the direction of your ruler (sultaan)". And I have also been told that a person said to al-Hajjaaj, "Do you do such and such with the Ummah of Muhammad (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam)?" So he replied, "For the reason that I am the punishment of Allaah upon the people of Iraaq, when they innovated into their religion whatever they innovated, and when they abandoned the commands of the their Prophet (alaihis salaam) whatever they abandoned."


    It is narrated from al-Hasan al-Basree (d.110), as mentioned in Minhaj us-Sunnah of Shaikh ul-Islam (4/528),

    Verily, al-Hajjaaj is the punishment of Allaah. So do not repel the punishment of Allaah with your own hands. But you must submit and show humility, for Allaah the Most High stated, "And indeed We seized them with punishment, but they humbled not themselves to their Lord, nor did they invoke (All?h) with submission to Him." (Al-Mu'minun 23:76).

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    What the Quran says about this issue:

    So, is it that when some calamity strikes you (in war), though you have previously inflicted a calamity twice it's magnitude, you ask: Why is this? Say: it is from your own selves. (Aali Imran 3:165)

    And whatever calamity befalls you, it is because of what your hands have earned. And Allah forgives much. (Ash-Shura 42:30)

    Whatever of good reaches you, is from Allāh, but whatever of evil befalls you, is from yourself. (An-Nisa 4:79)

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    What Hadiths have to say about Allah's punishments sent on earth:

    Abd Allah ibn ‘Umar said, “The Prophet, sal Allahu alayhi wa salam, came to us and said, ‘O Muhaajiroon (emigrants from Makkah to al-Madinah), you may be afflicted by five things; God forbid that you should live to see them.
    If fornication should become widespread, you should realize that this has never happened without new diseases befalling the people which their forbears never suffered.
    If people should begin to cheat in weighing out goods, you should realize that this has never happened without drought and famine befalling the people, and their rulers oppressing them.
    If people should withhold Zakaat, you should realize that this has never happened without the rain being stopped from falling; and were it not for the animal’s sake, it would never rain again.
    If people should break their covenant with Allah and His Messenger, you should realize that this has never happened without Allah sending an enemy against them to take some of their possessions by force.
    If the leaders do not govern according to the Book of Allah, you should realize that this has never happened without Allah making them into groups and making them fight one another.’“
    (Ibn Maajah, Kitab al-Fitan (Hadith 4019), 2/1332. Saheeh, Silsilatul Ahadeeth as-Saheehah: 106-107)

    This following hadith is about the punishments sent by Allah due to our disobedience:

    Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “In this ummah there will be punishments of earthquakes, showers of stones and deformity (transformation into animals); that will be when the people drink khamr, listen to female singers and play musical instruments.” (See al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 2203; attributed to Ibn Abi’l-Dunyaa, Dhamm al-Malaahi; the hadeeth was narrated by al-Tirmidhi, no. 2212).

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    Strong Words from Sheikhs and Dayees of today: (Please google the following video titles by cut and paste as I am yet not able to post with URL)

    Enjoining the Good & Forbidding the Evil - Part 6 - Laila Nasheeba

    Repentance: The way of our hardships - Sister Laila Nasheeba

    The revival of the ummah - Br. Abu Mussab

    Facing Trials And Tribulations - Sheikh Ibrahim Dremali

    End of a Tyrant: Sheikh Abu Adnan

    Strong home, strong nation - Sheikh Ibrahim Dremali


    All of this should support the fact that the rulers are a reflection of the people they rule over and that all of this ultimately is due to what Allah has decreed. We as believing Muslims have to learn to accept His decree by baring His trials and hardships with patience so that we can pass the tests in order to draw closer to Him.

    And Allah knows best.
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    It is reported that Al-Fudayl b. ‘Ayyâd – Allâh have mercy on him – said, “If I had one supplication that was going to be answered I would make it for the ruler (imâm), for the wellbeing and righteousness of the imâm means wellbeing for the land and its people.”
    Al-Dhahabî, Siyar A’lâm Al-Nubalâ` in his biography of Al-Fudayl b. ‘Ayyâd.
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    objectivel, both of them must be blamed
    we the people must be constructive elements and our rullers must really represent us. not to be the shadow of their leaders in the west.
    we ask God from our heart to protect our community from all evils
    what is happening in the arab world is extremely panic.
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    What wrong did Bani Israel do to themselves to be ruled by a taghut like pharoah? If the poem is universally true, this means the people of pharoah brought his punishment upon themselves. Thankfully, though, its just a poem. A nice one too.
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    ‘Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!’” (Al Nisa:75)
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    salaams to all
    masha allah, so many people expect good, pious rulers when nothings stopping them from becoming pious themselves.

    and Allah ta' ala knows best
    jazakallah
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    it is true , well guide.
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    blame selves.
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    Good point, we should always work on fixing ourselves first. But if the muslim ruler is not even 'muslim', than it's a whole different story. Because if a muslim ruler is a hypocrite who claims to be a muslim, than how is he any different from Firaun (Pharoah) who ruled the Children of Israel and they had to get rid of him because he didn't accept Islam? rather he oppressed and was a tyrant.
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    You are correct 'democracy' as both a concept, a system, an ideal or as a constitutional framework is not from Islam. However, I have heard it emerged from Classical Athens. The word itself is from 'Demos' and 'Kratia', which means representative and people and was coined during the time period of Socrates, Aristotle and Plato a few centuries before Rome replaced Greece as Europe's leading empire. However, even Classical Greece was not totally Democratic either, women could not vote.
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    The difficulty in this day and age is Takfeer has become out of hand while some rulers may be justly named as Non Muslim, it is not for the lay person to do so, at least not professionally speaking. However, you are right, what course of action should be taken once it is firmly established that a ruler of a Muslim country is really a Kafir. The Scholars and others with the correct knowledge should ideally be able to guide us and lead us out of difficult times and into the light, but as with all dreams and aspirations, it may not always work out that way as well.
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    Assalamu alaikum

    So what. Is that a problem, if they came on that idea first? Tell me, did Islam tell the people to speak the truth and that telling a lie is wrong? No, it does not have its origin in Islam as we know it. It has its origin in the islamic nature (Fitrah), which every human being gets in his genes. Nobody even needed prophets to tell them, that telling lies is wrong or in religious terms sinful. And even if something does have its origin in Islam and we find out, that it also existed before in other cultures or religions, we should think, Islam is the religion, which is close to Fitrah.

    Have you never read God's comments on the desire of the Bani Israel to have a king? Have you never read, what Quran tells us, how we should resolve our conflicts (amruhum shura baynahum)?

    The other day, I had to shake my head, when I was looking at that survey in TTI about what you think about hijaab. Now we will decide the matters of haq and baatil by voting? No, we use voting only to resolve our conflicts. Period.

    If you sincerely think niqaab is a must, you should stick to that opinion, even if the whole world is against you, unless God opens your heart on another interpretation. Stick to your opinion, express it to others BUT for all practical purposes, accept the decision of the ruling majority, which may be wrong but it is your duty ot obey them. If you think, they are wrong, it is your duty to try to change the opinion of the majority in your favour. Once again, democracy is not a tool to decide between haq and baatil. It is a tool to resolve the conflicts in a society.

    Wassalamu alaikum
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    Assalammu Alaikum Brother Saif and Jazakallah Khayrun for your comments. It seems you are a little angry with what I said. First of all let me clarify a few things and then you are welcome to state your views on the matters in question.

    I did not say that Niqab is compulsory and I still don't. If I gave that impression I am sorry. I am not sure why you thought so.

    Second, did I say I oppose democracy? That is both in principle, in concept, out of merit or otherwise. I don't think I said anything beyond what I am aware of its immediate linguistic origin and that it is not from Islam. I did mention one aspect of democracy in Classical Athens where one significant proportion of the population was effectively excluded and that was the women, but even then that is not sufficient as evidence to indict me for a total rejection of democracy either. I mentioned it as a side point where democracy did not apply to everyone at that time and in that place.

    I believe I kept my personal opinions on the issue out of the thread. I don't know how much you have read my other posts to decipher and evaluate my philosophical approach to different topics I discuss. If I start a thread, the headline is normally the same as the source of the story and give the link, I usually leave no comments, no introduction and no concluding epilogues. This is because I don't wish to cloud anyone's judgement by my prefatory remarks and I am interested in what others have to say as if I had nothing to do with first initiating the thread.

    Third, I don't actually remember participating in a poll about the Hijab or Nikab for that matter. I generally avoid polls, so if you could enlighten me as to which thread I voted in and cast my vote towards I would be obliged.

    Lastly, my post was very miniscule; I offered no details, gave no explanations and shared no experiences so I am a little unsure as to what you meant by me being opposed to a majority, refusing to accept consultation with or from others, being unwilling to accept voting as a tool to resolve conflicts or otherwise. I was also not aware I was attempting to impose my opinion/s on others, please let me know where I have done so and how I did so?

    I have opinions on each of these matters, but I generally do not share them, at least not in any depth, until I have some idea of who I am speaking to, I have some knowledge and trust of the person I am speaking with or there is a need to divulge such information. In your case, I don't know you, in the thread I don't know the writers in that thread and lastly I mentioned very general remarks with the exception of the 'women' in Classical Greece.
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    Assalamu alaikum

    Do you really think, the mayhem, which we have created in Lybia and Syria was because of the takfeer done by common people? No, not at all. Exactly opposite is the case. It is the result of the scholar worship.

    I remember, I was once silenced in this forum for just criticizing the shopping expences of one of the sons of Gaddafi, which were reaching the atronomic proportions. This very thread, where I am writing right now was also referred to. Then a couple of years after that incident, a "scholar" in Saudi Arabia just had to say, the ruler of the muslims in Lybia is "Ahmaq"- an idiot, and that was enough to make that land a hell. You see, if they cannot find a reason to do takfeer, it is enough for them to call somebody an idiot and their blind followers are ready to chop his head off. In the best interest of their king, who had a score to settle with Gaddafi, they conveniently forgot, that the non-state actors were not allowed to start qitaal. But they did encourage them to start qitaal and the rest is history.

    Asad's case was even simpler. They had the support of all the Fataawa, including the one's issued by none else than Ibn Taymiah himself against Nusayriah, that they can be killed. All those years when Asad and his father were ruling Syria, nobody remembered those fataawah. Just that arab spring offered a window of opportunity, which nobody wanted to miss. And again, they conveniently forgot, that they should either do it with their national armies or just do sabr. But Sabr is something muslims of today have thrown out of their dictionary. Instead, they again supported the non state jehadis and they turned a functioning state into hell. The by-product of this mayhem, ISIS is on its way to turn the rest of the middle east into hell.

    Wake up muslims. Wake up.

    Wassalamu alaikum.
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    Assalamu alaikum dear brother Abu Juwairiya,
    By "you" in my statement about niqaab, I did not mean you personally. The thing about niqaab was just an example to show the difference between the "dicision between haq and baatil", which cannot be decided by voting and "resolution of conflict", which must be decided by voting or majority opinion. I am sorry for not being clear enough.

    I am not angry at all but the real motivation came from your sentence "Democracy IS NOT from Islam". I have tried to show you that I get the same feeling by reading that as if somebody is saying "Telling the truth IS from Islam". Both sentences are correct in a way and wrong in another way. I hope you now understand, what I mean.

    By the way, I like most of your posts and I have no issue with them.

    Wassalamu alaikum.

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