British people ‘spend 315 days hungover’

Abu Juwairiya

Junior Member
Jazakallah Khayrun to you all for your replies. Allow me to answer your enquiry with some questions of my own.

Firstly, is content, discussion, information, social interaction and ideas on Islamic websites or forums restricted to what Muslims do, affects Muslims in a major way [such as Gaza] or what is happening in Muslim countries alone?

Secondly, am I to understand by your comments that what Non Muslims are like, how they regulate their behaviours and interact (in a negative sense) in comparison to Muslims, where Muslims are a substantial minority, are of no interest to most Muslims across the world.

Thirdly, is it not a source of pride to see that Muslim countries and places where Muslim minorities have large populations have no such problems and are unlikely to do so, because of Islam.

Fourthly, while Non Muslims can speak of social and socio-political issues that affect the wider masses, either with exaggeration or through gross misinformation and deliberate media manipulation, such as on 'honour killing', FGM, child and forced marriages, this is an example of one area which cannot be contested as part and parcel of Western culture.

It further entails its sister problems, which also do not exist in Muslim countries, namely drink driving and the killing of pedestrians, sports hooliganism [not restricted to football] which often leads to violence outside the pitch, wife-beating through the influence of alcohol, college and university orchestrated organised rape (seduction through making female students drugged and drunk) and racist violence.
 

sister herb

Official TTI Chef
I read some articles to get more information about this subjects:

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2014/alcohol-related-deaths-prevention/en/

"Europe is the region with the highest consumption of alcohol per person, making up the entire top 10.

Belarus takes the top spot, with people on average drinking 17.5 litres of pure alcohol a year, followed by the Republic of Moldova where the figure is 16.8 litres.

Australia and Canada also have high levels of alcohol consumption, with people on average drinking 12.2 and 10.2 litres a year respectively.

In the United States the figure is marginally lower at 9.2 litres.

But in northern Africa and the Middle East, the average figure is less than 2.5 litres of alcohol per person, with many countries having figures below one litre."
 

Abu Juwairiya

Junior Member
I read some articles to get more information about this subjects:

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2014/alcohol-related-deaths-prevention/en/

"Europe is the region with the highest consumption of alcohol per person, making up the entire top 10.

Belarus takes the top spot, with people on average drinking 17.5 litres of pure alcohol a year, followed by the Republic of Moldova where the figure is 16.8 litres.

Australia and Canada also have high levels of alcohol consumption, with people on average drinking 12.2 and 10.2 litres a year respectively.

In the United States the figure is marginally lower at 9.2 litres.

But in northern Africa and the Middle East, the average figure is less than 2.5 litres of alcohol per person, with many countries having figures below one litre."

You can add other 'social dilemmas' (if you can call them that) which also don't feature in Muslim countries as much. I can accept they are growing (everyone is human after all) but they are still small in comparison.

These include-

Gambling

Teenage Pregnancy

Prostitution and its related problems

Depression and Emotional Stress

Voluntary Unhealthy Diets and Bad Eating Habits

Child Interest in Drugs

Grooming due to teenage girls mind set they can go out late at night/to discos et al without a chaperone
 

sister herb

Official TTI Chef
Depression and Emotional Stress

I could disagree with this - in some countries in the Middle East these are one of the biggest problems. Part of these are because of the situation of the society like the high levels of youth unemployment or because of the violence in some countries. Like in Gaza about 80% of the population suffers from the stress symptoms (because of the siege and the attacks of the zionists - but maybe we can´t count it as the similar reason like stress from the unemployment or poor economic situation).
 

Abu Juwairiya

Junior Member
I could disagree with this - in some countries in the Middle East these are one of the biggest problems. Part of these are because of the situation of the society like the high levels of youth unemployment or because of the violence in some countries. Like in Gaza about 80% of the population suffers from the stress symptoms (because of the siege and the attacks of the zionists - but maybe we can´t count it as the similar reason like stress from the unemployment or poor economic situation).

I can agree in part with you. What I was referring to, but did not allude to, was stress outside of 'work' or 'work related' situations. This is in regard to those areas where desires overtake need and necessity. These include

(For women) The obsession to look good (making young girls think being skinny is sexy and can lead to depression, anorexia, bulimia, stress in ensuring they stay that way)

(For men) The obsession with macho-ness (the need to fit in and be a regular guy and can lead to depression and stress when one can't fit in)

(For women) The need to work and feel useless if not in work. The stress and depression that can result from staying at home while young.

(For women) Young mothers. The depression and stress relating to being without a partner and having to raise a child/children on their own and feeling they need a partner.

The above are just a handful of the kind of things I was referring to when I mentioned stress and depression that is not so apparent or severe in Muslim countries.
 

Precious Star

Junior Member
I think Muslim countries have a lot of social ills and problems. It DOES NOT assist us in drawing the problems of non-muslims to our attention. It really doesn't. I would hate it if non-muslims sent emails to their fellow Christians, atheists etc with information about wife-beating, honour killings, kidnapping of schoolgirls, violence against Yazidis and Shias, etc about muslims.

Every community has problems. Yes, Britons drink and get drunk. But many British muslims do too. When I visited Russia a few years ago, I saw LOADS of drunk Chechens and Khazaks - it was embarrassing.

Just go any any Islamic counselling service and you will see so many querries by women whose husbands have left them for other women, who receive talak via text message, who are being harassed by their in-laws, who get into arranged marriages only to have their husbands drink/smoke/view pornography.

We need to work on strengthening our own Ummah rather than pointing fingers.
 

Abu Juwairiya

Junior Member
I think Muslim countries have a lot of social ills and problems. It DOES NOT assist us in drawing the problems of non-muslims to our attention. It really doesn't. I would hate it if non-muslims sent emails to their fellow Christians, atheists etc with information about wife-beating, honour killings, kidnapping of schoolgirls, violence against Yazidis and Shias, etc about muslims.

Every community has problems. Yes, Britons drink and get drunk. But many British muslims do too. When I visited Russia a few years ago, I saw LOADS of drunk Chechens and Khazaks - it was embarrassing.

Just go any any Islamic counselling service and you will see so many querries by women whose husbands have left them for other women, who receive talak via text message, who are being harassed by their in-laws, who get into arranged marriages only to have their husbands drink/smoke/view pornography.

We need to work on strengthening our own Ummah rather than pointing fingers.

Jazakallah Khayrun for your remarks, but I think you are taking this too seriously and perhaps a little too personally. I can sense some anger in your writing.

I did not say these things does not exist in Muslim countries, only that they are less and I still say this. I accept they are becoming larger and it exists as problems within the Ummah, but not to the extent they occur in Non Muslim countries.

It is not wrong nor is it a waste of time to mention things like this; that some of these social ills are less prevalent in Muslim countries and that we can take some pride in knowing we have not reached that level yet.
 
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