Cadbury & Nestle Chocolates

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zarah

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Hey everyone...just a quick question..

I know cadbury chocs say vegeterian...(Well most do..I realised how "Snack" does not have the vegan approved symbol.. :()

Well anyone here do you know if Nestle company is halal????

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Sister N

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Bismillah.

Assalaamu alaikum.

Nestle products, like other companies have certain things that are halaal and other's that are haraam. I think most the chocolates are halaal. But can't remember all of the ones that are halaal. The best thing to do is to ring them or go on their website, and ask them for the 'suitable for muslims' list. That's what I did once! If you do this however, make sure you get a new one sent to you every so often because they tend to change ingredients.

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zarah

Islam
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Jazzak-Allah Khair...:hijabi:

You one thing I don`t understand about these choco companies...If they made all their choco`s halal they would make so much profit...:hijabi:

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Globalpeace

Banned
Nestle Suitable for Vegetarian & Vegan List!

Asslamo Allaikum,

WARNING NUMBER 1:These lists for Nestle products manufactured & marketed in the UK. All Brothers/Sisters resident outside of UK (USA/Canada/EU etc.) are requested to IGNORE this list, and DON'T get confused!

WARNING NUMBER 2:All Brothers/Sisters resident in UK please understand that if a Product doesn't appear on this list, it doesn't automatically make it HARAM. Check the facts, refer to the Scholars and get the right Fatwa!

Suitable for vegetarians:

http://www.nestle.co.uk/NR/rdonlyres/022288E4-43A8-4012-B4A7-7F80C18EF444/0/VegetarianList.pdf

Suitable for vegans:

http://www.nestle.co.uk/NR/rdonlyres/CD3B55C3-6F32-415F-B654-3C20ACF40028/0/VeganList.pdf


If you have other ditery requirements, please see:

http://www.nestle.co.uk/Nutrition/DietaryAvoidanceLists/
 

zarah

Islam
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Asslamo Allaikum,

WARNING NUMBER 1:These lists for Nestle products manufactured & marketed in the UK. All Brothers/Sisters resident outside of UK (USA/Canada/EU etc.) are requested to IGNORE this list, and DON'T get confused!

WARNING NUMBER 2:All Brothers/Sisters resident in UK please understand that if a Product doesn't appear on this list, it doesn't automatically make it HARAM. Check the facts, refer to the Scholars and get the right Fatwa!

Suitable for vegetarians:

http://www.nestle.co.uk/NR/rdonlyres/022288E4-43A8-4012-B4A7-7F80C18EF444/0/VegetarianList.pdf

Suitable for vegans:

http://www.nestle.co.uk/NR/rdonlyres/CD3B55C3-6F32-415F-B654-3C20ACF40028/0/VeganList.pdf


If you have other ditery requirements, please see:

http://www.nestle.co.uk/Nutrition/DietaryAvoidanceLists/


:salam2:

Jazzak-Allah Khair brother very useful....:hijabi:

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ditta

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Asalamu Alykum,

Jazakallah brother atleast Aero is on the list. Yum.

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zarah

Islam
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Guess what I found out,.....Mars,snickers,galaxy,twix,bounty,milkyway,maltesars and minstrels are no longer vegeterian...Page 23 of the Daily mail explains how they are now using anomial renet....(Gobsmacked)

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ditta

Alhamdu'Lillaah
Staff member
Asalamu Alykum,

Is the Daily Mail reputable (like a good newspaper).

Anyway i have not had them for awhile so Inshallah im okay. I will pass the message on. Again atleast you didnt say Aero, phewww...

Wasalam

:salam2:

Guess what I found out,.....Mars,snickers,galaxy,twix,bounty,milkyway,maltesars and minstrels are no longer vegeterian...Page 23 of the Daily mail explains how they are now using anomial renet....(Gobsmacked)

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Sister N

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This was passed around about a week and a half ago, and things have changed now because of the response of many vegetarians. I know my post is long, but please read it all...

Anyway, this was an email I received when we first heard that these chocolates were no longer suitable for vegetarians:

Salaams

Many people will be reading the following article about animal rennet and Mars products taken from the BBC website:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6653175.stm

HOWEVER, PLZ READ THE FOLLOWING:

Taken from the GMWA website is as follows:

http://www.gmwa.org.uk/foodguide2/index.php?page=viewquestion&id=20

Read the following article carefully taken from the Muslim Food Guide by Mufti Yusuf Sacha and Please be advised that this is the view according to the Hanaafi Madh-hab:

Rennet is an enzyme used in the food industry for the preparation of cheese by curdling milk. Rennet extracted from the stomach of a calf or animal whose meat is Halaal (lawful) after slaughtering in accordance with Islamic Thabh is unanimously Halaal (permissible) for consumption. If the above mentioned animals were not slaughtered in accordance with Islamic law then the Honourable Saahibayn of the Hanafi Legal School, Imam Abu Yusuf and Imam Muhammad, hold the view that the rennet itself is Halaal but its consumption would be Haraam (unlawful) because of its contamination with impure moisture etc. found in the stomach of the animal. According to them, rennet is fluid or viscous [running] and because of the penetration and saturation of impure moisture it would be impossible to purify it, therefore such rennet would remain Haraam.

However, Imaam Abu Hanifah does not regard the moisture found in the stomach of the above mentioned animals to be impure. Therefore the rennet obtained from them is Halaal, according to him.

The permissibility of rennet, therefore, is not really dependent on the slaughterer being Muslim or non-Muslim but upon whether there is life in rennet or not, and whether it absorbs the impurities found in the stomach of a newly born slaughtered calf. This is the outcome of the difference between Imaam Abu Hanifah and his two students, the Saahibayn,

Because of this difference in the opinion of the school, the Fatwa (legal opinion) allows a person to consume rennet (in the form of cheese etc.). Whilst Taqwa (piety) desires abstinence.

Allah Knows Best.
Further clarification and authentification.

1) In a commentary of the hadith text, Mishqatul Masaabeeh, by the famous Hanafi, scholar, Ali Qaari, Mirqaat, volume 8, page 193, is mentioned in the Kitaabul A’timah, Fasl Thaani.

Ibn Umar, radhiallahu anhu, narrates that our Rasul, sallallahu alayhi wasallam, was given a piece of Jubnah [Cheese] in Tabuk; he called for a knife, praying the tasmiyya he cut it [and ate it] narrated by Abu Dawud.

In the commentary, is mentioned; in this is proof of the purity of anfahah, because if it was impure then the cheese itself would be impure for it cannot be made without it [anfahah].

Again In this commentary in volume 2, page 79/80 is mentioned, in Bab Mash alal Khufayn, Fasl Awwal.

Tabraani narrates with a good sanad, although Ghareeb, that in one of the ghazawah, cheese was brought to Nabi sallallahu alayhi wasallam; He asked where it was made? Someone replied in Persia or in the lands of the Majus. Place the knife on it [cut it] and eat it. Someone said; O Rasulullah, we fear it may be carrion [Maitah]. He replied pray the tasmiyyah and eat it. Tirmidhi has mentioned a hadith wherein the Prophet was given a pair of leather socks and he wore them, without knowing whether they were pure or not. In the hadith of Salmaan, our Rasul was questioned regarding Jubn [cheese], Simn [clarifed butter] and Faraa’e [leather] together with the fact that it was taken from the lands of the Majus. It was mentioned to Umar regarding Jubn [cheese] and said to him that the rennet of dead animals are put in it [cheese]. He replied pray the tasmiyyah and eat it. Imam Ahmad mentions that this is the most sound hadith regarding cheese manufactured by Majus.

From the above commentaries it is evident that if rennet is derived from an animal that is permissible to eat, despite how it is slaughtered, it is Halaal to eat such cheese, despite the method used in the making of cheese.The rennet formed by the milk drunk by a newly born calf, which is then slaughtered and taken from its stomach is somewhat solid and has the effect of solidifying liquid milk and transforming it into cheese. Its permissibility though seemingly irrational because what is within the womb and stomach is under the law of impurity but the permissibility of cheese is established by Nass [Sharii proof] and agreed, therefore rennet is pure and permissible Fatwa Mazahir Ulum Volume 1 page 110.

2) Mufti Taqi’ Uthmaani, mentions that the ruling of Hadhraat Saahibayn is more cautious whilst that of Imaam Abu Hanifah is extensive or accommodating. If a pious person refrains it is better, whilst if a person is consuming cheese do not stop him. However, the rennet derived from the stomach of a pig is Haraam and Impure, provided its original property and chemical makeup does not undergo any drastic change.

Vegetarian or synthetic rennet, if nothing impure has been added to it will be Halaal. The cheese sold in supermarkets and shops, if it is vegetarian or derived from animals slaughtered Islamically is permissible to consume. On the other hand if it is pig rennet used in the cheese, without transformation then this is not permissible. Lastly, the rennet in cheese from animals other than pig is permissible, but abstention is desirable.

Bahr al-Raa’iq Volume 1 page 112/3

Register of the Fatawa Darul Ulum Karachi Number 175 23A Dated 11/3/ 1415

We quoted the actual Fatwa (legal verdict) regarding rennet used in cheese, by Mufti Nizamuddin Sahab in the MFG, and the following points from it are noteworthy.

3) 3.1) According to Imaam Abu Hanifah the rennet of Halaal (permissible) animals which have not been slaughtered according to Islamic law is Ja’iz (permissible for consumption). Thus the animal which has been slaughtered by a non-Muslim is also one which has not been slaughtered according to Islamic law and therefore the rennet extracted from such an animal is Ja’iz.

The reason being that the lawfulness of rennet does not depend upon the slaughterer being a Muslim or non-Muslim, in fact it depends upon whether there is life in it or not. If there is no life in rennet then death cannot occur because life and death are opposites. The circulation of blood in an organ is the cause of life. No blood flows through rennet therefore rennet is not a living organism. To consume and use rennet is permissible. The Honourable Saahibayn’s difference in opinion in this is connected to the fact that rennet is situated in close proximity to impure substances contained in the stomach of the animal irrespective of whether the rennet from the animal was extracted and slaughtered by a Muslim or a non-Muslim.

3.2) If it is known with certainty that rennet is obtained from liquid substance extracted from pigs then such rennet is absolutely Haraam.

3.3) The rennet obtained from an animal slaughtered by a non-Muslim or Muslim in accordance with Islamic law or contrary to it, is in all cases Ja’iz as long as the animal in question is not a pig. This is the opinion of Imaam Abu Hanifah. According to the Saahibayn it is Impure.

3.4) Rennet extracted from plants is Halaal.

What is Whey?

During cheese making, a coagulum is formed by clotting milk with rennet. When the coagulum is cut, a watery liquid known as whey is released and drained off leaving the curd to be salted and further processed into cheese. Whey contains water, fat, protein, lactose, minerals and lactic acid. Cream, butter, cheese, drinks, syrups and powder are some of the products made from whey. Whey will come under the same rule as rennet because it is a by-product which appears during the process of cheese making.

Hope this puts minds at rest

Jazakallah


AND THEN, TODAY I GOT THIS EMAIL:

Asalamueliukum sisters
FYI
Sabah
Mars bars get veggie status back

The move affected Masterfoods' chocolate and ice cream bars
Mars has abandoned plans to use animal products in its chocolate, and has apologised to "upset" vegetarians.
The firm had said it would change the whey used in some of its products from a vegetarian source to one with traces of the animal enzyme, rennet.
The Vegetarian Society organised a campaign against the move, asking members to voice their concerns to parent company Masterfoods.
Mars said it became "very clear, very quickly" that it had made a mistake.
In just one week, more than 6,000 people bombarded the company, which produces the Mars, Snickers, Maltesers and Galaxy brands, with phone and e-mail complaints.
Forty MPs also signed a petition to voice their opposition.
Fiona Dawson, managing director of Mars UK, said the company had listened to customers and decided to reverse its decision.
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"The consumer is our boss and we had lots of feedback from consumers who were unhappy about the change," Ms Dawson said.
"It became very clear, very quickly that we had made a mistake, for which I am sorry.
"There are three million vegetarians in the UK and not only did we disappoint them, but we upset a lot of the consumers."
'Principled decision'
The Vegetarian Society had called the move by Mars "incomprehensible" and "a backward step" at a time when consumers were increasingly concerned about "the provenance of their food".
We are very pleased that they now recognise the importance of integrity to all their customers, especially vegetarians

Dr Annette Pinner
Vegetarian Society
Mars replied that, by admitting its products were no longer suitable for "extremely strict vegetarians", it was making a "principled decision".
Now it insists it will begin changing its recipes back immediately.
Dr Annette Pinner, chief executive of the Vegetarian Society, said she was pleased Mars had been "honest enough" to admit it had "made a mistake".
"A Masterfoods representative has made contact with us and we are very pleased that they now recognise the importance of integrity to all their customers, especially vegetarians," she added.
Rennet is extracted from calves' stomachs and was to have been used in the ice cream versions of all Masterfoods' bars too.



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zarah

Islam
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Asalamu Alykum,

Is the Daily Mail reputable (like a good newspaper).

Anyway i have not had them for awhile so Inshallah im okay. I will pass the message on. Again atleast you didnt say Aero, phewww...

Wasalam

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well its all media...you don`t know what to beleive nowadays....:angryred:

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