Al-Indunisiy
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I found this article about tawassul, and I need some clarification regarding it.
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Can anyone clarify this article for me?
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nawfal.m.rouyan
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Seeing that al-Indunisiy would mean from Indonesia, I guess you would know the answer to this and perhaps it is a troll question. I'm sorry if you sincerely would like an opinion on the quoted article.
The opinion of brother ayman1 is valid according to the salafi understanding which I believe made famous by Syeikh Muhammad Abd Wahab an-Najdi (you can google him).
There is another understanding of the ayah by other Syeikhs for example there is a book refuting the understanding of brother ayman1 written by Al-Sayyid Muhammad Ibn 'Alawi al-Hasani al-Maliki al-Makki (you can google him). There are arguments and counter arguments between the two sides. I'd prefer we go beyond the arguments and work together to increase our Iman. Just study both arguments and follow the one you prefer. Surely, Allah knows best and since we are the Ummah of Muhammad pbuh, we should avoid splitting and we should unite in the name of Islam.
For the moderators, I hope discussion on issues this deep is heavily moderated so as not to confuse the new reverts. If you find this post is confusing, please delete it. Thanks!
The opinion of brother ayman1 is valid according to the salafi understanding which I believe made famous by Syeikh Muhammad Abd Wahab an-Najdi (you can google him).
There is another understanding of the ayah by other Syeikhs for example there is a book refuting the understanding of brother ayman1 written by Al-Sayyid Muhammad Ibn 'Alawi al-Hasani al-Maliki al-Makki (you can google him). There are arguments and counter arguments between the two sides. I'd prefer we go beyond the arguments and work together to increase our Iman. Just study both arguments and follow the one you prefer. Surely, Allah knows best and since we are the Ummah of Muhammad pbuh, we should avoid splitting and we should unite in the name of Islam.
For the moderators, I hope discussion on issues this deep is heavily moderated so as not to confuse the new reverts. If you find this post is confusing, please delete it. Thanks!
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Allah says clearly in the KORAN ''Who can intercede except whom He (SWT) has given permission.''
ALLAH SWT will give permission to beg on behalf of others to whomever He choose. The first one would be Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). On the day of Judgement people will run to Prophets asking for intercession. Only Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) would be able answer them positively. He (SAW) will come in front of ALLAH SWT and then prostrate before HIM (SWT). Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) will not get up from prostation until ALLAH SWT would say, ''Oh Muhammad, raise you head, ask what you want I will grant you''. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) would ask paradise for the people, ALLAH (SWT) will accept his prayer but He (SWT) would set limit on the number of people He (SAW) can take to paradise.
Following this, all righteous persons will prostrate to ALLAH SWT one after another, and they will ask paradise for their neighbors, relatives and others. Again ALLAH SWT would set limits of how many people they could take to paradise.
This is why loving people for the sake of ALLAH SWT is of so high importance and assisting people in killing muslims is so sinful.
In nutshell, whenever ALLAH SWT permits someone to intercede He (SWT) will also set limit of how many people she/he could take into paradise.
This same thing happen even after entering into paradise. Children in higher heaven would beg ALLAH SWT to raise their parent to higher level of ALLAH.
I cannot give you reference because I am not a scholar, but what I have mentioned is excerpt from a lecture of a renowned strict sunni sheikh in our community.
Allah says clearly in the KORAN ''Who can intercede except whom He (SWT) has given permission.''
ALLAH SWT will give permission to beg on behalf of others to whomever He choose. The first one would be Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). On the day of Judgement people will run to Prophets asking for intercession. Only Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) would be able answer them positively. He (SAW) will come in front of ALLAH SWT and then prostrate before HIM (SWT). Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) will not get up from prostation until ALLAH SWT would say, ''Oh Muhammad, raise you head, ask what you want I will grant you''. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) would ask paradise for the people, ALLAH (SWT) will accept his prayer but He (SWT) would set limit on the number of people He (SAW) can take to paradise.
Following this, all righteous persons will prostrate to ALLAH SWT one after another, and they will ask paradise for their neighbors, relatives and others. Again ALLAH SWT would set limits of how many people they could take to paradise.
This is why loving people for the sake of ALLAH SWT is of so high importance and assisting people in killing muslims is so sinful.
In nutshell, whenever ALLAH SWT permits someone to intercede He (SWT) will also set limit of how many people she/he could take into paradise.
This same thing happen even after entering into paradise. Children in higher heaven would beg ALLAH SWT to raise their parent to higher level of ALLAH.
I cannot give you reference because I am not a scholar, but what I have mentioned is excerpt from a lecture of a renowned strict sunni sheikh in our community.
Al-Indunisiy
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Seeing that al-Indunisiy would mean from Indonesia, I guess you would know the answer to this and perhaps it is a troll question. I'm sorry if you sincerely would like an opinion on the quoted article.
The opinion of brother ayman1 is valid according to the salafi understanding which I believe made famous by Syeikh Muhammad Abd Wahab an-Najdi (you can google him).
There is another understanding of the ayah by other Syeikhs for example there is a book refuting the understanding of brother ayman1 written by Al-Sayyid Muhammad Ibn 'Alawi al-Hasani al-Maliki al-Makki (you can google him). There are arguments and counter arguments between the two sides. I'd prefer we go beyond the arguments and work together to increase our Iman. Just study both arguments and follow the one you prefer. Surely, Allah knows best and since we are the Ummah of Muhammad pbuh, we should avoid splitting and we should unite in the name of Islam.
For the moderators, I hope discussion on issues this deep is heavily moderated so as not to confuse the new reverts. If you find this post is confusing, please delete it. Thanks!
Regarding the first paragraph:
1. Yes, I am from Indonesia
2. I'm not a troll, nor this is a troll question
3. Sorry if this thred caused a lot of turmoil
Al-Indunisiy
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Ok, may be I should take this question somewhere else. Thank you for your concern. Close this thread, please.
nawfal.m.rouyan
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Ok, may be I should take this question somewhere else. Thank you for your concern. Close this thread, please.
Assalamu'alaikum wrb, Brother Indunisiy, my post isn't meant to belittle you or even hurt your feelings. If you did feel slighted by what I posted before, I humbly ask for your forgiveness.
I was also stating for the moderators to delete my post if they find it not appropriate here. Not the discussion that you started.
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