Correcting some mistakes of Yusuf Estates

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    A HUMBLE REQUEST TO EVERYONE: Please donot comment even before reading the complete article...

    http://www.salafimanhaj.com/pdf/SalafiManhaj_YusufEstes
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    As-salaamu `alaykum.

    The methodology of the salaf was that if the mistakes of a person are public, then naseehah before criticising is not a necessity... So I don't see where the author has wronged.

    Allaah knows best.

    May Allaah accept our Fasting and `Ibaadah.

    Was-salaam
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    if u hide others sin,Allah will hide ur sin
    we reverts are not angels.we are just human beings and u can't expect us to be perfect.even those born muslims are very ignorant and u cant except us who converted in the middle of our lives to know A-Z about islam.we try our best what we can by inviting others to islam and keep our deen strong.yesterday i saw people critising Yusuf Islam going back to singing and so on.what about those born muslims who are being singers?
    we try our best to obey Allah .am saying this on behalf of all reverts.plz stop judging us coz it is not our job,it is Allah's job.u will never know one's iman and u will never know how the soul and their heart is.only Allah knows.there is always good and bad in everything.look at the positive sides.am not refering this post to anyone but to those who wanna critise,plz think twice before saying anything.and it goes to all of us as a reminder and our objective is only to increase our iman and go to jannah.
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    As-salaamu `alaykum.

    The Messenger of Allaah, sal-Allaahu `alayhi wasallam said, "Let one who believes in Allaah and the last day speak good or remain silent..." The above posts (deleted) were pure rants that we don't need at this moment of time. If you wish to speak (post), then let's remember ti speak with knowledge and principles from Islaam, not with childish emotions and desires.

    Clarifying mistakes has nothing to do with being a revert for no Muslim is perfect... But if someone publicizes something incorrect, then the way that a Muslim corrects it, is to correct it publicly. Why? Because the error/false hadeeth etc. was witnessed in public and reached the masses of people, so the truth deserves public announcement that it may reach those effected by the error/mistake. If we clarify the mistake privately, then who will it benefit other than the one being addressed, if their heart is open?

    This is clear, rational, logic from the way of Ahl us-Sunnah. We hide the sins/mistakes of people when they are committed privately. But when public, the need of advise is removed.

    Also, glimpse over the article/video and you will see that Yusuf Estes is being addressed with respect, despite his own, clear disrespect of some of the `Ullemaa'. Each point mentioned in the article has firm backing from the `Ullemaa' from the past and present, so it's simply a case of: Our brother Yusuf Estes made some statements that are baatil, and due to the fact that they were mentioned publicly and contain gross inaccuracies, they were addressed and corrected publicly.

    The question was raised, "Did they even advise Yusuf?", well then, despite it being a void question, I want to ask, "Did Yusuf advise those who he spoke about, including the `Ullemaa'?". There is no need to answer this, but if logic is to advise before speaking (even if public) then where was Yusuf's advise, and where was his logic? Perhaps the answer to both these questions is we don't know, so why the evil suspicion, which is haraam?

    The article is doing exactly what our brother, Yusuf Estes has done. He clarified his position about some people/matters/mistakes perhaps, without advise (because of their publicity and other reasons). Then when the same is done in turn out of protecting the bedrock of Islaam, according to the way of Ahl us-Sunnah, we hear nothing but rants and talk about logic? Is this not double-standards? (I'm referring to us, not brother Yusuf Estes) Did Yusuf advise Shaykh Al-Albaanee before accusing him of "coming up with a lot of stuff on his own?" Despite the fact that the Shaykh is dead. Did he respect him by at least wording it better? No.

    The article is not concerning personal sins, why would anyone need to speak about people's personal lives?! Nor is it a harsh judgment on the personality of brother Yusuf Estes. Rather the article is a clarification, a good and truthful one at that.

    Ibn Rajab, the illustrious scholar said in Al-Farq bayna An-Naseehah waTa'yeer (The Difference between Advising and Condemning),

    Know that mentioning something about a people that they hate having mentioned is forbidden if the objective behind that is for nothing else but to dispraise and declare (ones) faults and defects.

    However, if there is found in this mentioning, a beneficial good for the general masses of people specifically for some of them and the objective behind it is to accomplish this beneficial good, then it is not forbidden, but rather, recommended.

    May Allaah forgive us all,

    Was-salaam
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    I couldn't agree more masha'Allah! True, it has nothing to do with being a revert or not, it's a way to help each other in following what is correct and what is not. In this case it's Yusuf Estes, nobody is saying he is a "bad" brother astaghfirullah, just pointing out some mistakes, since we are ALL human beings wa Allah as-Subbooh
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