Could the Qur’an Be a Copy of the Bible?!

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    Could the Qur’an Be a Copy of the Bible?!


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    Some people say that Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) copied the Bible. But Muslim know that this cannot be true because the Bible is inaccurate, whereas the Qur’an is the most accurate source of divine guidance.

    There is an old ridiculous fallacy, that Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) copied the Bible, a fallacy copied from some ignorant Arab pagans against the Prophet during his lifetime. They were stunningly challenged by the grandeur of the divine revelation. To face the challenge, they strived hard to push away the coming light that was gradually penetrating the Makkan society and radiating outwards to Arab tribes coming to Makkah for trade or pilgrimage, threatening to penetrate the Arab Peninsula and the whole Middle East and world, and engulf their absurd beliefs and challenge their tribal sovereignty to extinction.

    Closing their ears and minds from hearing and accepting the Qur’an, and being also ignorant of the Bible, the nearest forgery to proclaim was that the Qur’an was being borrowed from the Bible or some Biblical source. However, at that time, Christianity was almost totally out of the scene of Makkah. In the Arab Peninsula, Christian presence was confined to three locations: among the tribes of Al-Heerah in the northeast near Iraq, the Roman-occupied kingdom of Bani Ghassan in the northwest, and the Abyssinian reign of Yemen, far away from Makkah. Jewish presence was mainly in enclave settlements in and around Madinah.



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    Makkah being devoid of any real source of Biblical information, the pagans of the time could find no better candidate than a non-Arab Roman blacksmith boy earning his living there. They claimed that he was the source of the Qur’an, dictating it to Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) out of his meagre Biblical education! The mockingly fabricated fallacy soon faded away among the pagans themselves. Years later, in the peak of the fierce hostilities of the Jewish tribes of Al-Madinah, and amidst their repeated attempts to defame the Prophet, spread rumors and work out plots to eradicate Islam, no such claim (i.e., that the Qur’an copied the Bible) was ever raised.

    On the contrary, the Jews were keeping their scriptures away from the Muslims, specially those prophesizing and supporting the new message. It is also significant that there was no single Arabic translation of the Bible till the tenth century CE, i.e., three centuries after the Prophet’s death. The available texts of the Bible were either in Syrian, Greek, or Hebrew. If the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) could have any direct access to the Jewish or Christian scriptures, he would have quoted them, being in dire need to challenge his opponents.

    The only other reported encounters of the Prophet with Christian sources were on two occasions. At the early age of twelve, during a trip with his uncle Abu Talib among a trade caravan to Ash-Sham, they casually met Baheerah, a Syrian monk who reportedly could identify in the boy Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) signs of expected prophethood foretold in the old scriptures.

    Similarly, when the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) received the first few verses of the revelation, his worried wife Khadijah brought him to her relative Waraqah ibn Nawfal. Being a Christian convert with some knowledge of the Hebrew scriptures, he assured the Prophet that the revelation he received was genuinely divine. Waraqah passed away shortly thereafter; the revelation continued for 23 years.

    Now let us examine the two texts, the Qur’an and the Bible. The Qur’an was revealed over 23 years in installments to match multitudes of events, issues, and queries, which were finally compiled into surahs, each having a homogeneous flowing narration. On the other hand, the Bible is a collection of 58 (plus 16 disputed) books written by several human authors and groups. These books were originally not intended to be holy scriptures, but were selectively made so by the ecumenical councils of the Church, several centuries after Christ.

    An academic or even casual hand-on examination by an impartial sound intellect could never fail to witness the deep contrast between the superb text and context of the Qur’an, compared to the fallible human texts comprising the Bible books.

    Further, the Qur’an has vehemently unveiled the Christian and Jewish distortions of the original messages of Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them). The original Injeel and Torah are no longer available. Please read, for example, the Qur’anic correction and reply to the Biblical distortions:

    - Abraham was a Jew: 2:140; 3:65
    - Allah tired from act of creation— Allah forbid: 50:38
    - Jesus the son of God— Allah forbid: 9:30; 5:17
    - Trinity: 5:72-73
    - Sanctifying the Church: 3:64
    - Solomon blaspheming: 2:102
    - The first Qiblah: 3:96
    - Forbidden foods: 3:93


    Could a copy (i.e., the Qur’an, according to the allegation) correct the claimed original (i.e., Bible)?

    Knowledge-wise, the Qur’an was proven to refer to and be precisely compatible with facts of science evolving over 14 centuries, a living proof of the authenticity of the Qur’an. This is contrasted to contradictions between the human Bible and science.

    A few examples of these contradictions are: the allegory of the primordial waters, the creation of light before the creation of the stars producing them, the existence of day and night before creation of the earth, and creation of the earth before the sun, that the world was created only 5,766 years ago, and similar historically untenable descriptions and estimation of the time of the Flood.

    Again, could the Qur’an “learn” from the Bible?

    There are, of course, points of agreement between the Qur’an and the Bible, e.g., the main aspects of the stories of prophets. That is natural as far as the original source of information being the same, divine revelation of Allah through His Messengers teaching essentially the same message. But here again, in the stories of the prophets we witness the profound differences between the Qur’anic narrations and those of the Bible. Compare for example: the story of prophet Joseph in the Qur’an (12:4-102) and the Bible (Genesis 37-45). Here, the brief to-the-point yet lively objective Qur’anic narration to emphasize advice and exhortations can be contrasted to the marginal details listed in the lengthy “once-upon-a-time” style of the Bible.

    While the Qur’an gives due respect and reverence to the prophets as Allah’s chosen inviolable human beings, radiating His guidance to their contemporaries and future generations, the Bible frequently portrays them dishonorably. Consider for example:



    Genesis 9:20-24: Noah being drunk and appearing naked in front of his sons

    Exodus 32:3-4: Aaron shaping a golden calf for the Israelites to worship

    1 Kings 11:9-10: Solomon worshiping false gods

    2 Samuel 11:4-5: David committing adultery

    Genesis 19:31-36: Lot committing incest with his two daughters

    Once again, could the Bible be the “source” and the Qur’an the “copy”?

    In recent times, Christian missionaries and Orientalists, disguised in the cloaks of scholarly research, reproduced the same old thwarted fallacy of the ancient pagans and strived to spread it among the naïve and scantly-educated Muslim masses. The targeted audience are those sectors unaware of the real nature and context of the Bible (as a collection of human works with all the ensuing defects) and, more importantly, are ignorant of their own inimitable Book, the Qur’an.





    Authenticity of the Glorious Qur'an




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    The Holy Qur'an was presented to the people of Arabia by the Holy Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him. It was presented in parts over a period of 23 years of his prophetic life. The book presents itself as the word of Allah and the Holy Prophet also presented it as such.

    The Muslims believe that the Holy Qur'an, being the revealed word of Allah, is the cornerstone of their faith. They get their philosophy, beliefs and laws from this book it is the basic source of the Islamic faith. It is the Word of Allah revealed to His Messenger, Muhammad, peace be upon him, who read it out before the world loud and clear. Not only did he recite it to the people of Arabia, he also made elaborate arrangements to ensure that its contents be preserved and his Companions should learn it by heart and should also write it down. The Holy Prophet's stress on the supremacy of the Book of Allah, over all other sources of knowledge, was unequivocal and categorical.

    The Holy Qur'an has reached us through Tawatur:

    The Holy Qur'an has reached us through the process of Tawatur (historical continuity and perpetuation achieved through transfer from generation-to-generation) When we say that the Qur'an has reached us through Tawatur, we imply that so many people in every generation conveyed it to the next and so on that there can be no doubt about its authenticity. It was not transmitted by a few persons in one generation to a few persons in the next. It was handed over by the entire generation to the next generation. The Generation of the Companions witnessed the revelation and compilation of the Holy Qur'an during the life of the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and then handed it over to the next generation and so on.

    Its certainty has far exceeded the need for any debate. In the presence of established history, we would not accept any individual reports and rumors to the contrary. For instances a report in one of the history books that claims that Akbar the Great never ruled in India, would not be considered by us. The fact that Akbar the Great ruled over India for half a century is so established, that any odd report to the contrary would be simply ignored. So is the case of the Holy Qur'an. Since it has achieved the status of Tawatur, no odd report would affect its credibility.

    When generations and generations of people without interruption hold the Qur'an as the one and only version of the divine guidance received from the Holy Prophet, such reports would not infringe upon its authenticity. The evidence for the Qur'an is so overwhelming, involving millions of people, that it would simply override any odd reports that may be found anywhere.”

    Excerpted, with slight modifications, from http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/quran/0005.htm

    In the light of the above, dear brother, it’s clear that all what non-Muslims say or fabricate against the Glorious Qur’an is totally groundless, for the authenticity of the Qur’an is not only upheld by Muslims but confirmed by non-Muslims as well, as will be clarified in the following:

    “Attesting to the Qur'an’s authenticity, in his best-seller book The Bible, The Qur’an and Science the French researcher, historian, scientist Dr. Maurice Bucaille writes:

    "Thanks to its undisputed authenticity, the text of the Qur’an holds a UNIQUE Place among the books of Revelation, shared neither by the Old nor the New Testament. In the first two sections of this work (meaning his book), a review was made of the alterations undergone by the Old Testament and the Gospels before they were handed down to us in the form we know today. The same is not true for the Qur’an for the simple reason it was written down at the time of the Prophet; we shall see how it came to be written, i.e. the process involved . . .. As the Revelation progressed, the Prophet and the believers following him recited the text by heart, and it was written down by the scribes in his following. It therefore starts off with two elements of authenticity that the Gospels do not possess."

    Professor Hitte also writes: "Biblical text has been subjected to editorial and amendatory treatment, but not the Qur’anic ... In its phonetic and graphic reproduction, as well as in its linguistic form, the Qur’anic text is identical with its celestial original. "

    The Qur’an is unique in consistency, harmony, intelligence and rationality:

    The Qur’an is the book without inconsistencies; one part of its text, (or doctrine) does not clash with the other. In fact, it sets the absence of contradiction, irrationality, and incoherence, as one of the criteria for checking the authenticity of any divine revelation. It states "Do they not ponder the Qur’an (with care)? Had this book been from anybody but Allah, you would have found much inconsistencies.” (Surat An-Nisa:82).

    Because contradictions and inconsistencies call for the negation of one part, which is in conflict with the other and this automatically invalidates portions of the book. In turn that makes it difficult for a man to remain true to any one value, thereby creating mental conflict, emotional and spiritual instability. "Skip some, follow some," “pick and choose" and "no absolutes" become the pattern. And these exercise an extremely damaging influence upon a truth-conscious, rational man with regard to belief in Allah and with regard to the credibility of the book itself. And it leads to dilemmas where sincere minds become "disjointed" and "disenchanted," eventually steering them away from the book or turn them into hypocrites.

    Dr. Maurice Bucaille, who had absolutely no reason to favor one book, especially that of Islam, over the others (if anything, as human nature is, he would only favor the books of his own religion, but not the Qur’an) attests to the Qura’nic claim in his book. "The Quran ... is not only free from contradictions in its narrations, the sign of various human manipulations to be found in the Gospels, but provides a quality of its own for those who examine it objectively and in the light of science i.e. its complete agreement with modern scientific data.”

    The Book may be great but what is its impact on the people, you might ask. If no impact it has any significance. How true! The Qur’an is unique in terms of its Blitzing Impact, also.

    There have been many other religious books and revelations before the Qur’an. But of these, only the Holy Qur’an had the most electrifying impact upon the people. Its lightning-like rapidity, in a short few decades, reached the hearts and minds of the masses of several continents, transforming the lives of idolaters, alcoholics, exploiters, abusers, perverts, into men and women of pristine monotheism, of highest virtue and piety. Call it what you may - the most sensational spiritual revolution, or the spiritual blitzkrieg, the revolution of which the mankind had never witnessed before. To this very day, no other religion comes even close to matching Qur’an's record of the spectacular impact on lives of masses.”

    Excerpted, with slight modifications, from http://www.iica.org/invitation/the_glor.html

    Islam and Science
    http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545276

    Has the Bible Been Tampered With?
    http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545430

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    Sorry i didn't read your thread but i would like to add somethings. That question can be roll out because when the Prophet PBUH challenge them they couldn't do it.
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    Jazak Allah Khair. I read the thread and it proved what I already know. :) The Quran is authentic, definetly not a copy and will never be duplicated or altered. Alhumdulilah

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    mashallah sister,and jazakallah khairan.
    i would like to put some more light on the topic.
    Dr. Zakir Naik


    1. QUR’AN PLAGIARIZED FROM THE BIBLE :
    Question
    Is it not true that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has copied the Qur’an from the Bible?
    Answer
    Many critics allege that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) himself was not the author of the Qur’an but he learnt it and/or plagiarised (copied or adapted) it from other human sources or from previous scriptures or revelations.
    1. MUHUMMAD LEARNT THE QUR’AN FROM A ROMAN BLACKSMITH WHO WAS A CHRISTIAN
    Some Pagans accused the Prophet of learning the Qur’an from a Roman Blacksmith, who was a Christian staying at the outskirts of Makkah. The Prophet very often used to go and watch him do his work. A revelation of the Qur’an was sufficient to dismiss this charge - the Qur’an says in Surah An-Nahl chapter 16 verse 103:
    "We know indeed that they say, ‘It is a man that teaches him,’ The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear."
    [Al-Qur’an 16:103]
    How could a person whose mother tongue was foreign and could hardly speak little but of poor broken Arabic be the source of the Qur’an which is pure, eloquent, fine Arabic? To believe that the blacksmith taught the Prophet the Qur’an is some what similar to believing that a Chinese immigrant to England, who did not know proper English, taught Shakespeare.
    2. MUHUMMAD (PBUH) LEARNT FROM WARAQA - THE RELATIVE OF KHADIJAH (RA)
    Muhummad’s (pbuh) contacts with the Jewish and Christian Scholars were very limited. The most prominent Christian known to him was an old blind man called Waraqa ibn-Naufal who was a relative of the Prophet’s first wife Khadijah (r.a.). Although of Arab descent, he was a convert to Christianity and was very well versed with the New Testament. The Prophet only met him twice, first when Waraqa was worshipping at the Kaaba (before the Prophetic Mission) and he kissed the Prophet’s forehead affectionately; the second occasion was when the Prophet went to meet Waraqa after receiving the first revelation. Waraqa died three years later and the revelation continued for about 23 years. It is ridiculous to assume that Waraqa was the source of the contents of the Qur’an.
    3. PROPHET’S RELIGIOUS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS
    It is true that the Prophet did have religious discussions with the Jews and Christians but they took place in Madinah more than 13 years after the revelation of the Qur’an had started. The allegation that these Jews and Christians were the source is perverse, since in these discussions Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was performing the roles of a teacher and of a preacher while inviting them to embrace Islam and pointing out that they had deviated from their true teachings of Monotheism. Several of these Jews and Christians later embraced Islam.
    4. THE PROPHET LEARNT THE QUR’AN FROM THOSE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS THAT HE MET OUTSIDE ARABIA
    All historical records available show that Muhummad (pbuh) had made only three trips outside Makkah before his Prophethood:
    i. At the age of 9 he accompanied his mother to Madinah.
    ii. Between the age of 9 and 12, he accompanied his uncle Abu-Talib on a business trip to Syria.
    iii. At the age of 25 he led Khadija’s Caravan to Syria.
    It is highly imaginary to assume that the Qur’an resulted from the occasional chats and meetings with the Christians or Jews from any of the above three trips.
    5. LOGICAL GROUNDS TO PROVE THAT THE PROPHET DID NOT LEARN THE QUR’AN FROM JEWS OR CHRISTIANS
    i. The day-to-day life of the Prophet was an open book for all to see. In fact a revelation came asking people to give the Prophet (pbuh) privacy in his own home. If the Prophet had been meeting people who told him what to say as a revelation from God, this would not have been hidden for very long.
    ii. The extremely prominent Quraish nobles who followed the Prophet and accepted Islam were wise and intelligent men who would have easily noticed anything suspicious about the way in which the Prophet brought the revelations to them - more so since the Prophetic mission lasted 23 years.
    iii. The enemies of the Prophet kept a close watch on him in order to find proof for their claim that he was a liar - they could not point out even a single instance when the Prophet may have had a secret rendezvous with particular Jews and Christians.
    iv. It is inconceivable that any human author of the Qur’an would have accepted a situation in which he received no credit whatsoever for originating the Qur’an.
    Thus, historically and logically it cannot be established that there was a human source for the Qur’an.
    6. MUHUMMAD (PBUH) WAS AN ILLITERATE
    The theory that Muhummad (pbuh) authored the Qur’an or copied from other sources can be disproved by the single historical fact that he was illiterate.
    Allah testifies Himself in the Qur’an
    In Surah Al-Ankabut chapter no.29 verse 48
    "And thou was not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted."
    [Al-Qur’an 29:48]
    Allah (swt) knew that many would doubt the authenticity of the Qur’an and would ascribe it to Prophet Muhummad (pbuh). Therefore Allah in His Divine Wisdom chose the last and final Messenger to be an ‘Ummi’, i.e. unlettered, so that the talkers of vanity would not then have the slightest justification to doubt the Prophet. The accusation of his enemies that he had copied the Qur’an from other sources and rehashed it all in a beautiful language might have carried some weight, but even this flimsy pretence has been deprived to the unbeliever and the cynic.
    Allah reconfirms in the Qur’an in Surah Al A’raf chapter 7 verse 157:
    "Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures) in the Law and the Gospel"
    The prophecy of coming of the unlettered Prophet (pbuh) is also mentioned in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12.
    "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned."
    [Isaiah 29:12]
    The Qur’an testifies in no less than four different places that the Prophet (pbuh) was illiterate. It is also mentioned in Surah A’raf chapter 7 verse 158 and in Surah Al-Jumu’a chapter 62 verse 2.
    7. ARABIC VERSION OF THE BIBLE WAS NOT PRESENT
    The Arabic version of the Bible was not present at the time of Prophet Muhummad (pbuh). The earliest Arabic version of the Old Testament is that of R. Saadias Gaon of 900 C.E. - more than 250 years after the death of our beloved Prophet. The oldest Arabic version of the new Testament was published by Erpenius in 1616 C.E. - about a thousand years after the demise of our Prophet.
    8. SIMILARITIES IN THE QUR’AN AND THE BIBLE DUE TO COMMON SOURCE
    Similarities between the Qur’an and the Bible does not necessarily mean that the former has been copied from the latter. In fact it gives evidence that both of them are based on a common third source; all divine revelations came from the same source - the one universal God. No matter what human changes were introduced into some of these Judeo-Christian and other older religious scriptures that had distorted their originality, there are some areas that have remained free from distortion and thus are common to many religions.
    It is true that there are some similar parallels between the Qur’an and the Bible but this is not sufficient to accuse Muhummad (pbuh) of compiling or copying from the Bible. The same logic would then also be applicable to teachings of Christianity and Judaism and thus one could wrongly claim that Jesus (pbuh) was not a genuine Prophet (God forbid) and that he simply copied from the Old Testament.
    The similarities between the two signify a common source that is one true God and the continuation of the basic message of monotheism and not that the later prophets have plagiarised from the previous prophets.
    If someone copies during an examination he will surely not write in the answer sheet that he has copied from his neighbour or Mr. XYZ. Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) gave due respect and credit to all the previous prophets (pbut). The Qur’an also mentions the various revelations given by Almighty God to different prophets.
    9. MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN THE TAURAH, ZABOOR, INJEEL AND QUR’AN
    Four revelations of Allah (swt) are mentioned by name in the Qur’an: the Taurah, the Zaboor, the Injeel and the Qur’an.
    Taurah, the revelation i.e. the Wahi given to Moosa (a. s.) i.e. Moses (pbuh).
    Zaboor, the revelation i.e. the Wahi given to Dawood (a.s.) i.e. David (pbuh).
    Injeel, the revelation i.e. the Wahi given to Isa (A.S.) ie. Jesus (pbuh).
    ‘Al-Qur’an’, the last and final Wahi i.e. revelation given to the last and final Messenger Muhammad (pbuh).
    It is an article of faith for every Muslim to believe in all the Prophets of God and all revelations of God. However, the present day Bible has the first five books of the Old Testament attributed to Moses and the Psalms attributed to David. Moreover the New Testament or the four Gospels of the New Testament are not the Taurah, the Zaboor or the Injeel, which the Qur’an refers to. These books of the present day Bible may partly contain the word of God but these books are certainly not the exact, accurate and complete revelations given to the prophets.
    The Qur’an presents all the different prophets of Allah as belonging to one single brotherhood; all had a similar prophetic mission and the same basic message. Because of this, the fundamental teachings of the major faiths cannot be contradictory, even if there has been a considerable passage of time between the different prophetic missions, because the source of these missions was one: Almighty God, Allah. This is why the Qur’an says that the differences which exist between various religions are not the responsibility of the prophets, but of the followers of these prophets who forgot part of what they had been taught, and furthermore, misinterpreted and changed the scriptures. The Qur’an cannot therefore be seen as a scripture which competes with the teachings of Moses, Jesus and the other prophets. On the contrary, it confirms, completes and perfects the messages that they brought to their people.
    Another name for the Qur’an is the ‘The Furqan’ which means the criteria to judge the right from the wrong, and it is on the basis of the Qur’an that we can decipher which part of the previous scriptures can be considered to be the word of God.
    10. SCIENTIFIC COMPARISON BETWEEN QUR’AN AND BIBLE
    If you glance through the Bible and the Qur’an you may find several points which appear to be exactly the same in both of them, but when you analyse them closely, you realise that there is a difference of ‘chalk and cheese’ between them. Only based on historical details it is difficult for someone who is neither conversant with Christianity or Islam to come to a firm decision as to which of the scriptures is true; however if you verify the relevant passages of both the scriptures against scientific knowledge, you will yourself realize the truth.
    a. Creation of the Universe in Six Days
    As per the Bible, in the first book of Genesis in Chapter One, the universe was created in six days and each day is defined as a twenty-four hours period. Even though the Qur’an mentions that the universe was created in six ‘Ayyaams’, ‘Ayyaam’ is the plural of years; this word has two meanings: firstly, it means a standard twenty-four hours period i.e. a day, and secondly, it also means stage, period or epoch which is a very long period of time.
    When the Qur’an mentions that the universe was created in six ‘Ayyaams’, it refers to the creation of the heavens and the earth in six long periods or epochs; scientists have no objection to this statement. The creation of the universe has taken billions of years, which proves false or contradicts the concept of the Bible which states that the creation of the Universe took six days of twenty-four hour durations each.
    b. Sun Created After the Day
    The Bible says in chapter 1, verses 3-5, of Genesis that the phenomenon of day and night was created on the first day of creation of the Universe by God. The light circulating in the universe is the result of a complex reaction in the stars; these stars were created according to the Bible (Genesis chapter 1 verse 14 to 19) on the fourth day. It is illogical to mention the result that is the light (the phenomenon of day and night) was created on the first day of Creation when the cause or source of the light was created three days later. Moreover the existence of evening and morning as elements of a single day is only conceivable after the creation of the earth and its rotation around the sun. In contrast with the contents of the Bible on this issue, the Qur’an does not give any unscientific sequence of Creation. Hence it is absolutely absurd to say that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) copied the passages pertaining to the creation of the universe from the Bible but missed out this illogical and fantastic sequence of the Bible.
    c. Creation of the Sun, The Earth and the Moon
    According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 9 to 13, the earth was created on the third day, and as per verses 14 to 19, the sun and the moon were created on the fourth day. The earth and the moon emanated, as we know, from their original star, the Sun. Hence to place the creation of the sun and the moon after the creation of the earth is contrary to the established idea about the formation of the solar system.
    d. Vegetation Created on the third day and Sun on the fourth day
    According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 11-13, vegetation was created on the third day along with seed-bearing grasses, plants and trees; and further on as per verses 14-19, the sun was created on the fourth day. How is it scientifically possible for the vegetation to have appeared without the presence of the sun, as has been stated in the Bible?
    If Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) was indeed the author of the Qur’an and had copied its contents from the Bible, how did he manage to avoid the factual errors that the Bible contains? The Qur’an does not contain any statements which are incompatible with scientific facts.
    e. The Sun and the Moon both Emit light
    According to the Bible both the sun and the moon emit their own light. In the Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verse 16 says, "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night".
    Science tells us today that the moon does not have its own light. This confirms the Qur’anic concept that the light of the moon is a reflected light. To think that 1400 years ago, Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) corrected these scientific errors in the Bible and then copied such corrected passages in the Qur’an is to think of something impossible.
    11. ADAM (PBUH), THE FIRST MAN ON EARTH, LIVED 5,800 YEARS AGO
    As per the genealogy of Jesus Christ given in the Bible, from Jesus through Abraham (pbuh) to the first man on earth i.e. Adam (pbuh), Adam appeared on the earth approximately 5800 years ago:
    i. 1948 years between Adam (pbuh) and Abraham (pbuh)
    ii. Approximately 1800 years between Abraham (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh)
    iii. 2000 years from Jesus (pbuh) till today
    These figures are further confused by the fact that the Jewish calendar is currently on or about 5800 years old.
    There is sufficient evidence from archaeological and anthropological sources to suggest that the first human being on earth was present tens of thousands of years ago and not merely 5,800 years ago as is suggested by the Bible.
    The Qur’an too speaks about Adam (pbuh) as the first man on earth but it does not suggest any date or period of his life on earth, unlike the Bible - what the Bible says in this regard is totally incompatible with science.
    12. NOAH (PBUH) AND THE FLOOD
    The Biblical description of the flood in Genesis chapter 6, 7 and 8 indicates that the deluge was universal and it destroyed every living thing on earth, except those present with Noah (pbuh) in the ark. The description suggests that the event took place 1656 years after the creation of Adam (pbuh) or 292 years before the birth of Abraham, at a time when Noah (pbuh) was 600 years old. Thus the flood may have occurred in the 21st or 22nd Century B.C.
    This story of the flood, as given in the Bible, contradicts scientific evidence from archaelogical sources which indicate that the eleventh dynasty in Egypt and the third dynasty in Babylonia were in existence without any break in civilisation and in a manner totally unaffected by any major calamity which may have occurred in the 21st century B.C. This contradicts the Biblical story that the whole world had been immersed in the flood water. In contrast to this, the Qur’anic presentation of the story of Noah and the flood does not conflict with scientific evidence or archaeological data; firstly, the Qur’an does not indicate any specific date or year of the occurance of that event, and secondly, according to the Qur’an the flood was not a universal phenomenon which destroyed complete life on earth. In fact the Qur’an specifically mentions that the flood was a localised event only involving the people of Noah.
    It is illogical to assume that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) had borrowed the story of the flood from the Bible and corrected the mistakes before mentioning it in the Qur’an.
    13. MOSES (PBUH) AND PHARAOH OF THE EXODUS
    The story of Moses (pbuh) and the Pharaoh of the Exodus are very much identical in the Qur’an and the Bible. Both scriptures agree that the Pharaoh drowned when he tried to pursue Moses (pbuh) and led the Israelites across a stretch of water that they crossed. The Qur’an gives an additional piece of information in Surah Yunus chapter 10 verse 92:
    "This day shall We save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!"
    [Al-Qur’an 10:92]
    Dr. Maurice Bucaille, after a thorough research proved that although Rameses II was known to have persecuted the Israelites as per the Bible, he actually died while Moses (pbuh) was taking refuge in Median. Rameses II’s son Merneptah who succeeded him as Pharaoh drowned during the exodus. In 1898, the mummified body of Merneptah was found in the valley of Kings in Egypt. In 1975, Dr. Maurice Bucaille with other doctors received permission to examine the Mummy of Merneptah, the findings of which proved that Merneptah probably died from drowning or a violent shock which immediately preceeded the moment of drowning. Thus the Qur’anic verse that we shall save his body as a sign, has been fulfilled by the Pharaohs’ body being kept at the Royal Mummies room in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.
    This verse of the Qur’an compelled Dr. Maurice Bucaille, who was a Christian then, to study the Qur’an. He later wrote a book ‘The Bible, the Qur’an and Science’, and confessed that the author of the Qur’an can be no one else besides God Himself. Thus he embraced Islam.
    14. QUR’AN IS A BOOK FROM ALLAH
    These evidences are sufficient to conclude that the Qur’an was not copied from the Bible, but that the Qur’an is the Furqaan - ‘the Criteria’ to judge right from wrong and it should be used to decipher which portion of the Bible may be considered as the Word of God.
    The Qur’an itself testifies in Surah Sajda chapter 32 verse 1 to 3
    Alif Laam Meem.
    (This is) the revelation of the Book in which there is no doubt – from the Lord of the Worlds.
    Or do they say, ‘He has forged it’? Nay, it is the Truth from thy Lord, that thou mayest admonish a people to whom no warner has come before thee: in order that they may receive guidance."
    [Al-Qur’an 32:1-3]
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    what make them claimed that.
    1st thing they shd know that our Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. never go to school. does't how to read & write.
    why they never that that?
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    haha, i did a lot of errors here, i'm so careless forgive me
    i always make mistake - human.
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    many evangelical christian leaders try to debunk the quran because they say that the quran hardly has any miracles take place in it, but the bible is full of miracle after miracle. it is true that more miracles are mentioned in the bible than the quran. however, they miss a very big point. although there are many pages within the bible that tell stories of miracles; the bible itself isn't a miracle. the quran, unlike any other sacred text is a miracle. the miracle of the quran is the quran itself. there is no one one of any faith outside of islam, that has memorized their sacred texts word for word letter for letter. if all religious texts were burned and destroyed, including electronic versions of them. only one of those texts would survive, and that is the quran. millions upon million throughout history have memorized it so. this happens because ALLAH SWT has promised to preserve it. this is the miracle of the quran. no can argue this. this preservation should cause us muslims to rejoice, because i feel that ALLAH SWT words reign true when He said that HE WILL PERFECT HIS LIGHT EVEN THOUGH THE DISBELIEVERS MAY DETEST IT..
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    One thing the Jews and Christians can't do is prove what was originally in the BIBLE.

    Ancient manuscripts of the Bible will have verses and even the whole equivalent of chapters in them that are not found in other manuscripts of the Bible. They sometimes have doctrinal implications.
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    Strategie ofthe Hypocrits

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    first of all , I m sure from all the events politic and others happening around us , that all the unbelievers or almost great part of them believes that Mohammed(sws) is a true prophet and they Know also that qur'an is the words of GOD , however as it is mentionned in our haly book the qur'an and in their book the bible regarding their behavior and their faith , they have a tendancy to hide a truth .So by acting lke this and creating doubt on the veracity of our book and religion they think gaining time ,and then this wast time will be used to achieve their goa and by the same time they ensure themself that they are still protected.
    by the lips of a jew he said that the thora didn t give them what they call the holy land ,and then he and many jewish are against the zionist state . all aver the word if you remarque this and all the nations are remarquing this thing ,that islam is the4 only religion in the earh which reconize all the prophets and even though it is attacked by hose whom are following apparently those prophets .this contrdiction they create for themselves gives the strong proove against them nd finaly what ever they could say against islam , mohammed(sws) ,Allah (swt) and muslims is like you drop the water on the sand . without any effect ,it s vain work and muslims should read all the bboks whatsoever they can say to understand the way they think ,
    i read the whole bible and i m acctually writting a book where i enumaerate al the contradictions and where i m analysing the role of those hands which deviate billions of men and weman from the right way .incha allah it will be finished soon and i try to find some one who can helps me publishingit

    thank you

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    jazak Allahu khayra

    :ma: very nice, besides some of them truly believe that jazak Allahu khayra for sharing
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    THE TRUTH

    Let us start from the beginning of your statement and work our way down.

    Some people say that Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) copied the Bible. But Muslim know that this cannot be true because the Bible is inaccurate, whereas the Qur’an is the most accurate source of divine guidance.

    Lets take a look at the Qur'an, the "most accurate source of divine guidance".

    True or False?

    Qur'an 86:7 says that sperm originates from the backbones and the ribs?
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    Jazakum Allahu khaira for this

    Question to a Christian that make such claims: Did God plagiaries when he inspired the NT authors (I'm appealing to your belief) to write similar things, which were previously found in the OT? YES or NO?

    By Alhabashi
    Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem,

    as-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullah.
    Point I
    First it should be clear that similarity does not entail copying, I hope to write something more about this in general sometime soon. Insha’Allah. But just logically speaking there could be many reasons why two documents may be similar or the same, and copying is not the only reason.

    Point II – Replying to some points

    1. I of course agree that all through the Bible we find references to earlier teaching or events but it never simply repeats them - what point could be made by God in doing that? However, the difference is that the event detail are not changed and so the issue is why if God as you say inspired the Torah and Injeel, in the Qu'ran the stories are recognisable (your similarities) but with added or changed details - one only for example has to look at say Joseph to see this - did God forget some of the facts and only recalled them for the Qu'ran or did he not quite inspire the Gospel writers correctly or did they get it wrong or Mohammed failed to remember correctly or was the Qu'ran adjusted?

    Various things need to be understood, the objection seems as follows, if God inspired the Gospel and Torah, and yet we find the same stories in the Qur’an but different, then does this mean that God made a mistake in the previous revelations.

    No! Rather one can just as well take the position that the previous revelations have been corrupted. Now, this is possible, but let us look at history and analyse things to see if it is probable.

    When one looks at the history of what people claim to be the Torah and the Gospel (message of Jesus) and their preservations, one not only sees that there is possibility that there has been alteration and fabrication etc. One sees that there is likelihood of such things happening, if not certainty! No one (who has studied these topics) argues whether the Torah and the Message of Jesus have been corrupted, rather they argue to what extent have they been changed!

    More could be said but for time restrains I will leave it here, and this is sufficient.



    2. It is a principle that the the earliest writings are the more correct and since there are no other source where do the additional Qu'ranic details come from? In terms of proof as we use it in this Board the FACT that let's say the story of Joseph can be found in Biblical texts that pre-date Islam by almost 1,000 years proves that the Qu'ran is a fabricated account.

    If you simply used say Joseph as a way of learning about God and how we might live our lives I would have no objection and simply accept that it is YOUR book though heretical from my point of view. But what I do object to is when you claim that the Qu'ran is right and the Bible wrong.

    Various points are made here,

    I – It is a principle that the the (sic) earliest writings are the more correct…?
    This is a principle based on what? Based on the fact that the earliest documents allow less time for the memories of people to fade, moreover less time for the stories to pass through more people, which may affect the retention.

    Yet if the provider of the information is both a Witness and Infallible, i.e. God, then it does not matter if He narrates it 2 days after the event or if He mentions it 1000 years! What follows then is that if God is the source of a book then this principle does not – if one is being logical - apply.

    II – Story of Joseph being in a book before the Qur’an.

    I don’ know what type of logical reasoning this would be, if I write a news article about an incident, 5 minutes after the incident, it does not mean that this is right and any person writing about it later is wrong. Refer to the explanation to the above principle.

    III – What I do object to is when you claim that the Qur’an is right and the Bible is wrong.

    Well a book can have some truth and some falsehood, just because a book may have some historically accurate accounts it does not necessitate that it is a) totally right, b) from God. So if we find some similarities between the accounts in the Qur’an and the Bible, it could be that the Bible is partially accurate in recounting history, just like I can be partially accurate in recounting through oral tradition what my great, great, great grandfather said.

    3. I don't think I or anyone was arguing that the Qu'ran covers everything that was in the Bible. My point was that for the most part what is in the Qu'ran can be found elsewhere. Take the Cave for example as a non-biblical story that has been copied.

    One needs to prove that the Qur’an has copied, both logically and historically.


    4. Biblically we have around 40 known authors and the Biblical books where accepted by the early church Fathers and have been subjected to painstaking research covering archaeology, history, theology, culture, etc since their inception so in terms of witnesses I have an unbroken line of revelation from Moses to Jesus. All you have is one book, most of which can be found elsewhere and ONE man's witness that it is from God. What should I trust on this evidence?

    Actually most of the authors are unknown! If they are known then bring your evidence and reasoning for thinking they are authors!

    Many of the authors of the Bible never state that they want their books to be compiled into a Bible, so where does one claim this line of revelation!
    After the claim of all these authors and books you have no evidence for why your faith is right, and why you should embrace it. Rather all these books do is confuse people, why? Because they have some truth, i.e. that God is one etc, and a lot of falsehood, contradictions, illogical statements and more!
    Yet in this one man, prophet Muhammad, sallaAllahu alayhi wa salam, who received revelation in various ways, both verbatim and other than that. The Muslim has logical and reasonable reasons for his belief. A Muslim cannot find a logical argument against his religion and if he wants to leave has to claim to have had a dream or some rubbish for no logical, historical, scientific argument can work against this religion, if one is truly mindful of the limitations of these methods.

    Moreover, this path encourages the man to look and ponder and strive to seek, this one author (so claimed by some to be) has done more than the 40 authors, revisionist, church fathers, and other. His message is a miracle, his life is unbelievably amazing, his legacy is reason enough for belief and the fact he is alone makes this more outstanding! Yet foolishly people claim to disbelieve in him due to his solitarily having brought forth evidences and a deen which is undefeatable and impenetrable by a logical, honest, seeker of truth seeking to falsify it.

    And Allah knows best.Br.al-Habeshi
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    By Sensationnz:
    Asallamalikum

    I just made this post to clearify for non-muslims who think holy quran is copied or piligarise from the bible! Which is a very common mistake.

    In the name of Allah (swt).

    Why do christians or Jews say Mohammed (saw) piligarised the quran?
    Because there are similarities between the two holy books , like the story of abraham,moses (pbu) them.

    before i move on, we must note:

    1.) Mohammed (Saw) was Illiterate (meaning he couldn't read or write)
    2.) The bible was never translated, into arabic language( who claims this muslims,hindus,atheists??? NO ITS THE CHRISTIANS WHO SAYS THE BIBLE WASNT TRANSLATED INTO ARABIC UNTIL 10TH CENTURAY. wHICH is 100 of years after the holy quran, compiled.) SO why do christians still say quran is copied !?

    Arguments by Jews and Christians!

    1.) the quran has stories which are in the bible.
    2.) Like moses story, abraham story, and etc.

    again before i move on we must bear in mind what , Copying or Piligraising means!! Define: Copying is the duplication of information or an artifact based only on an instance of that information or artifact, and not using the process that..

    en.wikipedia(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/wiki/Copied

    So if mohammed(pbuh) copied the bible he must have copied everything. Was he a sciencetist, that he corrected most of the bibles mistake and put it in quran ? its illogical because the bible tells us how to rape your own sisters.
    ( 2 Samuel 13:6) ...and it has many scienctific errors such as 6 day creation , its says Earth is created before sun like come on.. The quran Says the Earth and heavens is created in 6 days it uses word AYAM .. it has 2 meaning long period or short... the bible tells us following:

    Breaking the Sabbath:

    "Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 31:15)"

    "Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death. (Exodus 35:2)"

    Cursing your parents:

    "And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)"

    "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (Leviticus 20:9)"

    Thou shalt not kill:

    "Thou shalt not kill. (Exodus 20:13)"

    "Thou shalt not kill. (Deuteronomy 5:17)"

    Adultery:

    "Thou shalt not commit adultery. (Exodus 20:14)"

    "Neither shalt thou commit adultery. (Deuteronomy 5:18)"



    Stealing:

    "Thou shalt not steal. (Exodus 20:15)"

    "Neither shalt thou steal. (Deuteronomy 5:19)"



    Covet:

    "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ######, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. (Exodus 20:17)"

    "Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ######, or any thing that is thy neighbour's. (Deuteronomy 5:21)"

    Punishment for worshiping other gods, or leaving the True Worship of the Absolute One GOD Almighty:

    "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. (Deuteronomy 13:6-9)"

    "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die. (Deuteronomy 17:3-5)"

    i wonder Why Mohammed (saw) didnt write this in quran uhmmmm...? [​IMG] and I wonder if he was a scientist that he never made a mistake.


    If christian still think , quran is copied, then we can argue saying jesus copied the bible from old testoment.

    wsallam

    ---------- Post added at 08:49 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:46 PM ----------
    - Does the Quran Copy Bible- Dr.zakir naik

    wsallam

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