Did the bible change over the course of history?

MOHAMMEDFALIQ

Junior Member
One of My friends showed me a video titled (is the bible corrupted). Some Christian was making the documentary. He mentioned a verse in the quran saying allah told us to go back to the people of the book,why thats what I want to know.
 

Abu Sarah

Allahu Akbar
Staff member
the Bible isn't Word of Allah.....

Assalaamu Alaykum..

Dear Bother in islam..

See : Concerning the Authenticity of the Bible

See : Is The Bible God's Word?

See :"50,000 Errors In The Bible"

Helpful post : http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19629&postcount=4

The issue is the Gospel that was revealed from the Lord of the Worlds to the Prophet of Allaah ‘Eesa (peace be upon him). Belief that Allaah revealed a Book to His Prophet ‘Eesa and that the name of this book was the Gospel (Injeel), are basic principles of faith that we must believe in.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“The Messenger (Muhammad) believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers. Each one believes in Allaah, His Angels, His Books, and His Messengers. (They say,) ‘We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers’ — and they say, ‘We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all)’

[al-Baqarah 2:285]

The Prophet
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(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to Jibreel, when he asked him about faith, as mentioned in the well-known hadeeth: “Faith means to believe in Allaah, His angels, His books, His messengers, the Last Day, and to believe in His divine will and decree, both good and bad.” (Agreed upon).

Disbelieving in that or doubting it is misguidance and kufr or disbelief in Allaah.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Believe in Allaah, and His Messenger (Muhammad), and the Book (the Qur’aan) which He has sent down to His Messenger, and the Scripture which He sent down to those before (him); and whosoever disbelieves in Allaah, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers, and the Last Day, then indeed he has strayed far away.

137. Verily, those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe (again), and (again) disbelieve, and go on increasing in disbelief; Allaah will not forgive them, nor guide them on the (right) way”

[al-Nisa’ 4:136-137]

“Verily, those who disbelieve in Allaah and His Messengers and wish to make distinction between Allaah and His Messengers (by believing in Allaah and disbelieving in His Messengers) saying, “We believe in some but reject others,” and wish to adopt a way in between.

151. They are in truth disbelievers. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating torment”

[al-Nisa’ 4:150-151]

The second issue is the Gospel or, more precisely, the Gospels that the Christians have today. Although one of the basic principles of our faith is to believe in the Gospel that was revealed to ‘Eesa, we also believe that there is no longer any book that remained as it was revealed by Allaah, neither the Gospel nor anything else, apart from the Qur’aan. Even the Christians themselves do not believe that the books that they have before them were revealed in that form from God, nor do they claim that the Messiah wrote the Gospel or at least that it was written during his lifetime.
Imam Ibn Hazm (may Allaah have mercy on him) says in al-Fasl fi’l-Milal (2/2):

We do not need to try hard to prove that the Gospels and all the books of the Christians did not come from God or from the Messiah (peace be upon him), as we needed to do with regard to the Torah and the books attributed to the Prophets that the Jews have, because the Jews claim that the Torah that they have was revealed from God to Moosa, so we needed to establish proof that this claim of theirs is false. With regard to the Christians, they have taken care of the issue themselves, because they do not believe that the Gospels were revealed from God to the Messiah, or that the Messiah brought them, rather all of them from first to last, peasants and kings, Nestorians, Jacobites, Maronites and Orthodox are all agreed that there are four historical accounts written by four known men at different times. The first of them is the account written by Matthew the Levite who was a disciple of the Messiah, nine years after the Messiah was taken up into heaven. He wrote it in Hebrew in Judaea in Palestine, and it filled approximately twenty-eight pages in a medium-sized script. The next account was written by Mark, a disciple of Simon ben Yuna, who was called Peter, twenty-two years after the Messiah was taken up into heaven. He wrote it in Greek in Antioch in the land of the Byzantines. They say that the Simon mentioned is the one who wrote it, then he erased his name from the beginning of it and attributed it to his disciple Mark. It filled twenty-four pages written in a medium-sized script. This Simon was a disciple of the Messiah. The third account written was that of Luke, a physician of Antioch who was also a disciple of Simon Peter. He wrote it in Greek after Mark had written his account, and is similar in length to the Gospel of Matthew. The fourth account was written by John the son of Zebedee, another disciple of the Messiah, sixty-odd years after the Messiah has been taken up into heaven. He wrote it in Greek, and it filled twenty-four pages in a medium-sized script. End quote.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said in al-Jawaab al-Saheeh (3:21):

With regard to the Gospels that the Christians have, there are four Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. They are agreed that Luke and Mark did not see the Messiah, rather he was seen by Matthew and John. These four accounts which they call the Gospel, and they call each one of them a Gospel, were written by these men after the Messiah had been taken up into heaven. They did not say that they are the word of God or that the Messiah conveyed them from God, rather they narrated some of the words of the Messiah and some of his deeds and miracles. End quote.

Moreover, these books which were written after the time of the Messiah did not remain in their original form. The original versions were lost long ago. Ibn Hazm said:

With regard to the Christians, there is no dispute among them or anyone else that only one hundred and twenty men believed in the Messiah during his lifetime… and all of those who believed in him concealed themselves and were afraid during his lifetime and afterwards; they called people to his religion in secret and none of them disclosed himself or practised his religion openly, because any of them who was caught was executed.

They continued in this manner, not showing themselves at all, and they had no place where they were safe for three hundred years after the Messiah was taken up into heaven.

During this time, the Gospel that had been revealed from Allaah disappeared, apart from a few verses which Allaah preserved as proof against them and as a rebuke to them, as we have mentioned. Then when the Emperor Constantine became a Christian, then the Christians prevailed and started to practise their religion openly and assemble in safety.

If a religion is like this, with its followers practicing it in secret and living in constant fear of the sword, it is impossible for things to be transmitted soundly via a continuous chain of narrators and its followers cannot protect it or prevent it from being distorted.

End quote. Al-Fasl, 2/4-5.

In addition to this huge disruption in the chain of transmission of their books, which lasted for two centuries, these books did not remain in the languages in which they were originally written, rather they were translated, more than once, by people whose level of knowledge and honesty is unknown. The contradictions in these books and their shortcomings are among the strongest evidence that they have been distorted and that they are not the Gospel (Injeel) that Allaah revealed to His slave and Messenger ‘Eesa (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Allaah indeed spoke the truth when He said (interpretation of the meaning):

“Had it been from other than Allaah, they would surely, have found therein many a contradiction”

[al-Nisa’ 4:82].

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<wasalam>
 

Jibran

Junior Member
Asalamaulaikum brother.

The torah and the injeels [gospels] were fine before the seventh century. but after they were currupted. The new and old testament are also currupted, they have been manipulated by those in power at the time.
 

American Muslim

Just Another Slave
Don't worry about it...

brother,

as Muslims, it is not our place to deny or acknowledge any book other than the Qu'aran. Even if the old or new testaments were not corrupted, any bilingual person will know that there is always a slight difference in translation. How many times has the Bible been translated? How many times have those translations been made from a translation? This is like making a copy of a copy, degradation and lost detail are to be expected.

We cannot accept any of the claims in the Injeel. It is literally impossible to confirm any of it. There are undoubtably truths and pearls of wisdom contained within. However, we are unable to sift them from the dross. Read Qu'aran. Don't worry about the People of the Book.

I studied the Bible all of my life before I took shahada. There are so many inconsistencies, and flat out falsehoods as to make it completely unusable as a way of life.

Allah Ta'alla has told us in His holy Qu'aran "Today I have perfected your religion." We are to follow the Qu'aran and the example of His prophet. Every single aspect of rasoolallah's (PBUH) life is documented. We know how he lived every aspect of his life. This is a great blessing that allows us to know how to live our lives.

As for Christians, most of them believe that Eesa is a blond, blue eyed European. How many white guys grew up in the middle east a couple of thousand years ago? While I'm on this kind of subject, have you ever seen a pine tree in Palestine? What do rabbits and eggs have to do with Easter?

These are pagan influences from a different time. When Rome became Christian much of their earlier beliefs entered into their religion. Christians of this period had the belief that the ends justified the means. It was more important to them that people accepted their deen than remained pagans.

This is how concepts like purgatory, idolatry, praying to saints et al came to the fore. The early church connected earlier beliefs with Shaitan where they were already out of fashion with the local people. When they weren't they were co-opted by them.

Take for example the image they have of Shaitan. The Celtic god Kernonus had the hind end of a deer with a buck's rack growing out his forehead. In the Roman province of Britain and Gaul, this image had a serpent's tail slapped on it and "taa daa" , there you have an image of Shaitan. In Scotland, Wales, and Ireland, the older religions held sway much longer. The people there loved their god, so he was co-opted. Now they have Saint Cornelius. Same thing with Saint Brigid.

December 25th. Birthday of the Roman god Mithras, patron of the army. The legions were an important factor in Roman life. Their feast day couldn't be tossed out, so it was taken over.

Easter as a holiday is directly descended from the feast day of the Babylonian goddess Ishtar, Ishtarra, or Eshtar. Eggs and rabbits don't have much symbolism to a monotheist, but to the worshippers of a fertility goddess, they kinda make sense don't sense, doesn't it?

You could go through examples like this all day long. But I don't think that I need to remind anyone on this site that knowledge that isn't helpful is a burden. I don't begrudge researching these things because they led me to the truth of Islam. They are only helpful otherwise to a student of comparitive religions.

In short, don't worry about it.
 

Slave of Allah0

New Member
brother,

as Muslims, it is not our place to deny or acknowledge any book other than the Qu'aran. Even if the old or new testaments were not corrupted, any bilingual person will know that there is always a slight difference in translation. How many times has the Bible been translated? How many times have those translations been made from a translation? This is like making a copy of a copy, degradation and lost detail are to be expected.

We cannot accept any of the claims in the Injeel. It is literally impossible to confirm any of it. There are undoubtably truths and pearls of wisdom contained within. However, we are unable to sift them from the dross. Read Qu'aran. Don't worry about the People of the Book.

I studied the Bible all of my life before I took shahada. There are so many inconsistencies, and flat out falsehoods as to make it completely unusable as a way of life.

Allah Ta'alla has told us in His holy Qu'aran "Today I have perfected your religion." We are to follow the Qu'aran and the example of His prophet. Every single aspect of rasoolallah's (PBUH) life is documented. We know how he lived every aspect of his life. This is a great blessing that allows us to know how to live our lives.

As for Christians, most of them believe that Eesa is a blond, blue eyed European. How many white guys grew up in the middle east a couple of thousand years ago? While I'm on this kind of subject, have you ever seen a pine tree in Palestine? What do rabbits and eggs have to do with Easter?

These are pagan influences from a different time. When Rome became Christian much of their earlier beliefs entered into their religion. Christians of this period had the belief that the ends justified the means. It was more important to them that people accepted their deen than remained pagans.

This is how concepts like purgatory, idolatry, praying to saints et al came to the fore. The early church connected earlier beliefs with Shaitan where they were already out of fashion with the local people. When they weren't they were co-opted by them.

Take for example the image they have of Shaitan. The Celtic god Kernonus had the hind end of a deer with a buck's rack growing out his forehead. In the Roman province of Britain and Gaul, this image had a serpent's tail slapped on it and "taa daa" , there you have an image of Shaitan. In Scotland, Wales, and Ireland, the older religions held sway much longer. The people there loved their god, so he was co-opted. Now they have Saint Cornelius. Same thing with Saint Brigid.

December 25th. Birthday of the Roman god Mithras, patron of the army. The legions were an important factor in Roman life. Their feast day couldn't be tossed out, so it was taken over.

Easter as a holiday is directly descended from the feast day of the Babylonian goddess Ishtar, Ishtarra, or Eshtar. Eggs and rabbits don't have much symbolism to a monotheist, but to the worshippers of a fertility goddess, they kinda make sense don't sense, doesn't it?

You could go through examples like this all day long. But I don't think that I need to remind anyone on this site that knowledge that isn't helpful is a burden. I don't begrudge researching these things because they led me to the truth of Islam. They are only helpful otherwise to a student of comparitive religions.

In short, don't worry about it.

:salam2: Brother in Islam!
i m very new in this forum but i m really very live to read ur comments.
i knew all of what u have written on it.
you are 100% right on the theory of Christianism, it is not a Religion of Allah (az wa jal) but now it it is chnaged in to religion of gods and godess of Romans, Greeks.
any way keep continue to share this knowledge of it with me please.
i love to learn more about it.
Kazakallah
May Allah (az wa jal) accept ur strugle in Deen and place you in Jannah. Ameen
:wasalam:
 
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