Discussion with Christians about Jesus is the son of God

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    to who's believe that Jesus is the son of God


    One of the most important principles of belief in Allaah is to declare that Allaah is above all attributes that imply shortcomings. One of the attributes that imply shortcomings that the Muslim must reject is the notion that Allaah has a son, because that implies need and that there is a being who is like unto Him, and these are matters which Allaah is far above. Allaah says in Soorat al-Ikhlaas, which describes an attribute of the Most Merciful and is regarded as being equal in reward to reciting one-third of the Qur’aan:

    “Say (O Muhammad): He is Allaah, (the) One.
    Allaah-us-Samad [Allaah — the Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, (He neither eats nor drinks)].
    He begets not, nor was He begotten.
    And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him”
    [al-Ikhlaas 112:1-4 – interpretation of the meaning]

    Because the Christians believe that ‘Eesa (Jesus) is the son of God – exalted be Allaah far above what they say – many verses of the Qur’aan deny this claim and refute it,
    as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
    “And the Jews say: ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allaah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allaah. That is their saying with their mouths, resembling the saying of those who disbelieved aforetime. Allaah’s Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!”
    [al-Tawbah 9:30]

    “O people of the Scripture (Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allaah aught but the truth. The Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allaah and His Word, (‘Be!’ — and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rooh) created by Him; so believe in Allaah and His Messengers. Say not: ‘Three (trinity)!’ Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allaah is (the only) One Ilaah (God), glory is to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allaah is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs”
    [al-Nisa’ 4:171]

    “The Messiah [‘Eesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother [Maryam (Mary)] was a Siddeeqah [i.e. she believed in the Words of Allaah and His Books]. They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while Allaah does not eat). Look how We make the Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them; yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth)”
    [al-Maa’idah 5:75]

    “And the Jews say: ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allaah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allaah. That is their saying with their mouths, resembling the saying of those who disbelieved aforetime. Allaah’s Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!”
    [al-Tawbah 9:30]

    Because this false belief existed among the Christians, it was essential for those among them who entered Islam to give up these false beliefs which contradict Islam, one of which is this belief. It was narrated that the Prophet :saw:(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever bears witness that there is no god except Allaah alone, with no partner or associate, and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger and that ‘Eesa is His slave and Messenger, and His Word which He bestowed upon Maryam and a spirit created by Him, and that Paradise is real and Hell is real, Allaah will admit him to Paradise (and grant him a position therein) according to his deeds.”
    (al-Bukhaari, 3435; Muslim, 28).

    Al-Qurtubi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: From this it may be understood what the Christian must be taught to say when he becomes a Muslim. Fath al-Baari, hadeeth no. 3435.

    Based on this, a person can only be regarded as a Muslim if he disavows himself of this false belief, and believes that Allaah is above all shortcomings. Whoever acknowledges the greatness of Allaah will find it easy to give up his old beliefs that are not appropriate with regard to Allaah. We ask Allaah to help us to venerate Him and appreciate how great He is.

    Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
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    Hello!

    This is my first post here, so a bit about myself: I am a Unitarian Christian who does not believe in the trinity, but in the oneness of God.

    But I think when it comes to referring to Jesus as the Son of God, most Muslims do not understand what the phrase means. It does not mean that God had s** with Mary to beget a son in the same way that humans do. In the Bible, when Jesus is called the only Son of God, it means that he is a perfect man, indeed the only sinless man to walk the earth. It is a Jewish idiom that means someone is a righteous man. See Wisdom 2:12-16:
    “Let us therefore lie in wait for the just [man]……He boasteth that he hath the knowledge of God, and calleth himself the son of God. He is become a censurer of our thoughts. He is grievous unto us, even to behold: for his life is not like other men's, and his ways are very different. We are esteemed by him as triflers, and he abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness, and he preferreth the latter end of the just, and boasteth that he hath God for his father.”
    In this passage, wicked men plot to take the life of the just man, because he accuses them of sin and claims to be the son of God, and calls God his Father. This does not mean that this man claims to be divine, or God, but that he has done no wrong. He is a sinless human, but a human nonetheless.
    Likewise, in the Bible, if someone was called a “son of Belial”, it merely meant that he was a wicked person and not literally the physical offspring of a particular demon. This can be seen in Judges 19:22, 1 Samuel 25:17, 2 Samuel 20:1, 2 Samuel 23:6, and 1 Kings 21:10. ! Samuel 2:12 refers to two sons of Eli as “sons of Belial.” Clearly, Eli was their physical father, but they were acting like sons of the devil in being called sons of Belial.
    So calling Jesus the son of God does not in any way diminish the perfect attributes of God. It is a Hebrew idiom that refers to a man who has behaved without sin, and does not refer to the Trinity or anything of the like.
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    I think you're right Jesus is not son of God.He is just an upright Muslim similar as Adam,Abraham,Noah,Moses.

    Because whatever Jesus can do to cure sick people of blindness,bring the dead to life and others can be done by people nowadays.They are the people of Allah what we called Saint of Allah.They are indeed presence here.They are the people who isolate themselves from people.

    Al-Quran is the proof of God's words no denying of facts till now.Islam is the way of life.Without Al-Quran we won't be living so modernise and progressing in businesses,technologies,sciences,biomedicals.Give thanks to Allah.

    Jazakallahu khair
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    No, that's not exactly what I'm saying. I'm saying that Jesus is the only perfect man that has walked the earth, endowed with a nature that was the very Word God spoke when He created the universe. Because of this, he deserves the title "son of God" as it is understood in the culture and language of the Hebrew Bible. While the Trinitarian Christian approach to Jesus is incorrect in calling him "God", he most certainly is a man above all other men because he committed no sin. While some people are able to attain to a level of righteousness by engaging in long periods of prayer and fasting, and by secluding themselves from the world, Jesus still embodied a righteous relationship with God that no other has attained to. All the rest of us are still sinners and in need of the mercy of God.
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    What's the Unitarian creed concerning Jesus (pbuh)? With specific reference to his conception and death.
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    I cannot speak for all Unitarians, but I can tell you what I believe. As far as the conception of Jesus, I believe he was born from a virgin, and that God created Jesus' humanity from the word He spoke at the creation of the universe. All other humans are concieved through natural means, but God created Jesus' nature in similar manner to the way He created Adam. There are two places where Jesus is compared and contrasted to Adam in the New Testament: Romans 5 and 1 Corinthians 15, in one he is referred to as the "last Adam."

    I believe that Jesus did truly die on the cross and was bodily resurrected as proof of his messiahship and as a foretaste of the bodily resurrection of all the dead.
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    that's good But even if u belief in the oneness of God

    Alhamduillah u know that : The Oneness of God is the message of Jesus and all the Prophets, peace be upon them

    n not belief on 1,2,4 of the following differences between Christianity and Islam..i.e u have correct belief in 3 from 11.....

    nd u can see : Christ in Islam + Christianity:The Original and the Present Reality

    here : The differences between Christianity and Islam

    1. The Christian belief that the Messiah is the son of God.

    and here : Discussion with Christians about Jesus is the son of God

    and see : If Jesus was GOD

    2. The Christian belief that the Messiah (peace be upon him) is a god alongside God and that he is the second person of the holy trinity, according to their beliefs.

    3. The belief that divinity may be incarnated in humanity.

    4.The belief that God is formed of three Persons, which is known as the doctrine of the trinity.


    see : Discussion with Christians about The trinity..

    and

    5.The Christian belief that the Messiah (peace be upon him) was crucified by the Jews on the command of Pontius Pilate, and that he died on the cross.

    6. The Christian belief that the Messiah died on the cross as a ransom for mankind and as expiation for original sin.

    see: Crucifixion Or Cruci-Fiction

    and here : Discussion with a Christian about the Crucifixion

    7.The Christian attitude towards the Jews who disbelieved in Jesus (peace be upon him) and claimed that they crucified him and killed him, and they accused his mother Mary (Maryam) of fornication – of which she was innocent – yet despite all that their attitude towards them today is one of support and loyalty, and their attitude towards the Muslims who venerate Jesus (peace be upon him) and his mother is one of enmity and disavowal.

    see: Unfulfilled Prophecies About Jesus' Birth ..

    8. Their distortion of the Book of God the Gospel (Injeel), whether they distorted the words by changing them or by adding words, or they distorted the meaning, and in doing that they attribute things to God that cannot be attributed to Him.

    see: The Gospels have been tampered with a great deal

    9.The doctrine of redemption, which is their belief that God sent His only son to redeem mankind from a sin committed by the father of mankind (Adam – peace be upon him), but God was unable to forgive his sin, so He sent His only son who had no sin, to sacrifice himself in order to do away with sin. This is an attribution of imperfection to the Lord of the Worlds and a denial of the fact that Adam (peace be upon him) repented and Allaah saved the Messiah (peace be upon him) from death.

    see : Discussion with a Christian about the Christian doctrine of redemption

    10. Their disbelief in the Prophethood of Muhammad :saw: (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), even though he is mentioned in the Old and New Testaments.

    see : Muhummed :saw:The Natural Successor To Christ

    and here : Prophet Muhammad :saw: in the Bible

    and : What The Bible Says About Muhammed :saw:

    and here : Biblical Prophecies on the Advent of Muhammad :saw:

    11. Their belief in the soundness of the distorted Torah that they have in front of them today, which contains insults against God, describing Him as having shortcomings, and insults against the Prophets and Messengers, saying things that one can hardly dare utter, but we mention them in order to highlight the abhorrent nature of the kufr (disbelief) that they follow. They describe God as weeping with regret for the Flood which drowned the people of Noah, until His eyes became sore, and the angels came to visit Him – exalted be He far above that.

    They describe Lot (peace be upon him) as committing incest with his two daughters, and Noah as drinking wine until he became drunk and his ‘awrah (nakedness) became visible. And there are even more foolish stories than that.

    see :Is The Bible God's Word? .....

    See Hidaayat al-Hayaara fi Awbah al-Yahood wa’l-Nasaara by Ibn al-Qayyim; Naqd al-Nasraaniyyah by Dr. Muhammad ibn ‘Abd-Allaah al-Saheem

    ..............................................................................

    1st of All u should know The True Message of Jesus Christ


    and what u saied about The Biblical Version about the Sons of God..

    The Muslim takes strong exception to the Christian dogma that "Jesus is the only begotten son, begotten not made". This is what the Christian is made to repeat from childhood in his catechism. I have asked learned Christians, again and again as to what they are really trying to emphasize, when they say: "Begotten not made".
    They know that according to their own God given (?) records, God has sons by the tons:
    "...Adam, which was the son of God."(Luke 3:38)
    "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair... And when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them..." (Genesis 6: 2,4)
    "...Israel is My son, even My firstborn:" (Exodus 4:22)
    "...for I (God) am a Father to Israel, and Ephraim is My firstborn." (Jeremiah 31:9)
    "...the Lord hath said unto me (David): 'Thou art My son: this day have I begotten thee." (Psalms 2:7)
    "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." (Romans 18:14)
    Can't you see that in the language of the Jew, every righteous person, every Tom, Dick and Harry who followed the Will and Plan of God, was a "Son of God". It was a metaphorical descriptive term commonly used among the Jews. The Christian agrees with this reasoning, but goes on to say: "but Jesus was not like that". Adam was made by God. Every living thing was made by God, He is the Lord, Cherisher and Sustainer of all. Metaphorically speaking therefore God is the Father of all. But Jesus was the "begotten" son of God, not a created son of God ?
    .............................................

    see : Discussion with a Christian about the Christian doctrine of redemption

    n what did u say about : Muhammed :)saw:) No. 1 With A Chapter By Michael Hart

    yeah ur right u cann't due to : Christianity was mixed with polytheistic beliefs


    finally :

    Do you not see that the Muslims are closer than others to the truth, because they believe in all the Prophets and Messengers, respecting them all and recognizing that all of them taught the truth of Divine Unity (Tawheed) and that each of them was appointed by Allaah and sent to his people with laws that were appropriate to the time and place? When the fair-minded Christian sees the followers of Islam believing in Musa (Moses), ‘Eesaa (Jesus), and Muhammad :saw: (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and in the original Torah and Gospel, as well as the Qur’aan, and sees his own people denying the Prophethood of Muhammad :saw: (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and rejecting the Qur’aan, wouldn’t his open-mindedness make him think that the Muslims are most likely to be right?

    So u should to enter the religion of Islam which Allaah revealed to His Prophet Muhammad :saw: (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), because the Message of Muhammad :saw: is the final Message, which abrogates the previous religions.

    Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And whoever seeks a religion other than islam, it will never be accepted of him” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:85]

    According to a saheeh hadeeth: “By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, there is no one among this ummah, Jew or Christian, who hears of me than dies without believing in that with which I have been sent, but he will be one of the people of Hellfire.” (Reported by Muslim, 218).

    On this basis, ur religion as Christian will not be correct unless he believes in the sharee’ah of Islam and adheres to the rulings of the Holy Qur’aan. The Qur’aan is Muhaymin (i.e., it testifies to the truth that is in the previous scriptures and exposes the falsehood that has been added to them), and it abrogates the previous Books. The Tawraat (Torah) and Injeel (Gospel) have been abrogated and have been changed and altered.

    ............................................


    Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “O people of the Scripture! (Jews and Christians): Why do you disbelieve in the Ayaat of Allaah, [the Verses about Prophet Muhammad present in the Tawraat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] while you (yourselves) bear witness (to their truth)?

    O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Why do you mix truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know?

    And a party of the people of the Scripture say: ‘Believe in the morning in that which is revealed to the believers (Muslims), and reject it at the end of the day, so that they may turn back’”

    [Aal ‘Imraan 3:70-72]



    Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    "O people of the Scripture (Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allaah aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allaah and His Word, ('Be!' - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rooh) created by Him; so believe in Allaah and His Messengers. Say not: 'Three (trinity)!' Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allaah is (the only) One Ilaah (God), glory is to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allaah is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs."

    [al-Nisaa' 4:171]


    then, I advise you (and I do not think that you will reject this advice) to think deeply about what you have read, putting aside your background, any pre-conceived ideas, your own desires and feelings of attachment to your religion or culture, and to seek guidance sincerely from Allaah. Allaah Most Generous and will never let any of His servants down. Allaah is the One Who guides to the Straight Path, and He is Sufficient for us and is the best disposer of affairs

    peace,

    islamicfajr
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    Thank you.


    I believe point 1 so long as it is properly understood in the context of the Hebrew scriptures. At one point in your post, you cited a portion from the Nicene Creed which said, "…begotten, not made…” I never said that I believed or confessed the Nicene Creed. As you said, there are other places in the Bible where people are referred to as a “son of God” or “sons of God.” It does have a two-fold meaning: it can be a person who follows God obediently, or it can refer to someone who was directly fashioned by God, such as the Genesis reference to the sons of God taking wives from the daughters of men, and the reference from Luke’s genealogy of Jesus where Adam is a son of God. However, Christians believe that Jesus is unique as a son of God in that he best fits both definitions: 1) Just like Adam, he was directly created by God. But unlike Adam, he never gave in to the temptation of Satan. In this way, he is better than Adam. 2) While anyone who is obedient to God is called a son of God, there has never been a more obedient servant to God than Jesus. He obeyed God perfectly in all things. Therefore, he is unique and fit to be called the “one and only” of God in John ch. 1. The Quran, I believe, corrects the Nicene Creed understanding of Jesus being the one and only son of God that was accepted in the 7th century, but this does not overrule what was true in the 1st century.

    I do not believe points 2, 3, 4.

    I believe point 7 is not a belief of Christianity as a whole, but of a small group of western Christians who are loyal to Zionism because they believe it will bring about the return of Messiah.

    Point 8 is a reflection of muslims not understanding Judeo-Christian approaches to scripture. It is not right to look at the Torah and New Testament the same way that one would look at the Quran. There are serious differences in culture, languages, and time periods among the three texts. Just as muslims do not like it when orientalists make quick judgments about Arab and Islamic society with little information, I wish muslims would do more honest study of the Judeo-Christian framework before making statements like point 8.

    I believe point 9:
    Surah 16:61: “If Allah were to punish men for their wrongdoings he would not leave on the earth a single living creature: but he gives them respite for a stated term: when their term expires, they would not be able to delay the punishment for a single hour, just as they would not be able to anticipate it for a single hour.”
    2 Peter 3:9-10 “The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.”
    It is not that God is unable to forgive the sins of all humanity, but that his righteousness forbids it. But I believe that without repentance, it does not matter how many times a person asks for forgiveness, they will not get it.

    About point 10: I would be willing to consider point 10 as true if I did not have to accept the hadiths as the only way the Quran can be interpreted. I think there are some places where the hadiths change the plain meaning of the Quran. For instance, muslims tell me that drinking alcohol – even a sip – is haraam. But I read Surah 16: 67 which says, “And from the fruit of the date-palm and the vine, you get out strong drink and wholesome food: behold, in this also as a Sign for those who are wise.” In the Torah, “strong drink” always refers to fermented wine, and there are places where it says the same thing that the Quran seems to say here: that the fruit of the vine is a gift from God and is proof of God’s goodness. Surah 5:90 mentions intoxicants in the context of divination and witchcraft. It was common for witches to take intoxicants in order to invoke the dead, so perhaps the Quran is referring to elements of witchcraft, which included drug use. The New Testament also forbids taking alcohol or intoxicants as part of witchcraft, too.
    But I say that with no authority whatsoever. I am reading the A.Y. Ali translation of the Quran through for the first time, and I do not know any Arabic. So forgive my presumption.

    About point 11: Again, it goes back to my statement about point 8 – not understanding the Judeo-Christian approach to scripture.

    I refer back to my comments about point 1.

    No, I cannot because there is no sect or organization within Christianity that I belong to who are Unitarians. Unitarian Universalists aren’t even Christian. So, since I belong to no such group of Unitarians, it would not be right for me to speak for them. :)

    I will give consideration to what you have said, and I appreciate you discussing this with me.

    Peace.
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    Surely you mean he was an upright Jew?
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    This is a false and incorrect statement made by those who try to find faults with Islam so as to put people off this religion. It is sufficient to know that Allaah has guaranteed to preserve the Qur’aan, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption).” [al-Hijr 15:9]

    Moreover, the fact that the transmission of the Qur’aan by memory and in writing was mutawaatir – narrated by groups to groups [to such an extent that so many people could not conceivably have agreed upon a lie] – is well known to anyone who has the slightest acquaintance with Islamic knowledge, especially knowledge of recitations and reciters.

    There are still many people nowadays who have learned the Qur’aan orally, with isnaads directly going back to the Prophet :saw: (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

    One of the miracles of Allaah’s protection of the Qur’aan is the fact that those who try to tamper with it are always found out.

    The point is, everything that was revealed to the Prophet :saw: (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was written down in front of him straight away, and some of the Sahaabah had masaahif (written copies of the Qur’aan). After the death of the Prophet :saw: (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the first khaleefah, Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him) gathered the Qur’aan in written and kept it. Then the third khaleefah, ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) compiled it in mus-hafs that were based on the mus-haf compiled by Abu Bakr, in addition to what had been memorized.

    When we realize that the Qur’aan was written down and compiled by the Sahaabah, and ‘Uthmaan sent copies of the Mus-haf during his reign to all the main centres of Islam, so that it would be a reference for them, and there were no disputes concerning them, then how can we say that there is no written trace of the Qur’aan in the seventh century? Moreover, there are several ancient manuscripts of the Qur’aan in libraries and museums which bear visible testimony to the fact that nothing has been changed in the Book of Allaah.

    Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And verily, it is an honourable well?fortified respected Book (because it is Allaah’s Speech, and He has protected it from corruption). Falsehood cannot come to it from before it or behind it, (it is) sent down by the All?Wise, Worthy of all praise (Allaah).” [Fussilat 41:41-42]

    peace,

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    Hello,

    I know it's a bit late now but I got a question about your religion

    In the Bible, when Jesus is called the only Son of God, it means that he is a perfect MAN, indeed the only sinless MAN to walk the earth.

    What I can conclude from your posts is that in Unitarian Christian you believe in the oneness of God and Jesus is one of the messenger right? but you guys just don't believe in Muhammad as the last messenger?
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    I have got in a fight many times about this topic in Christianity. I am catholic myself. Both with lutherans and catholics I have argued about Jesus being Gods son. I don´t remember him to be the son of God. For me he is only a prophet chosen by God. I am also surprised by how similar the Christian´s bible is to the Quran. They should both be teaching us how to live our lives, like showtreads, not like something you have to follow blindly. Not that even some christians ever open the book ever again after this one confirmation.

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