Homeschool vs. Public School

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As you can tell from the title...just wanted to know which one do you think is better....

If you not married

Were you homeschooled? do you think it went well [education and socialisation wise]

Parents would you send your kids to public school or homeschool.

Why? why not?

Shoot your ideas people i want to know the disadvantages and advantages, pros and cons of Public School and Homeschooling.

I personally was both homeschooled [Quran wise :d] and went to public school for my other studies and alhamdullillah i enjoyed it.

But i have seen so many parents [Muslim parents] Who want to homeschool their children...

I dont understand why but that's why am asking :D



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Southrn_Muslimah

bnqɯnɥ 'ɥɐq
:salam2:

As you can tell from the title...just wanted to know which one do you think is better....

If you not married

Were you homeschooled? do you think it went well [education and socialisation wise]

Parents would you send your kids to public school or homeschool.

Why? why not?

Shoot your ideas people i want to know the disadvantages and advantages, pros and cons of Public School and Homeschooling.

I personally was both homeschooled [Quran wise :d] and went to public school for my other studies and alhamdullillah i enjoyed it.

But i have seen so many parents [Muslim parents] Who want to homeschool their children...

I dont understand why but that's why am asking :D



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I went to public and private school. Let's see at points in my life I would of loved homeschooling but I would of not got my socialization skills if I did not go to my public and private schools.

Private schools-I learned about how I do not like caddy people and that friendships are not made about how much money your parents make.

Public school- One public school I went to in Maine was absolutely fabulous!!! It was college curriculum and was one of the best experiences ever. My teachers were extremely involved with every student and their parents. If a students grade was let's say a C instead of an A..they would make a conference call and we would discuss issues.

Also are school was health orientated. No soft drinks or unhealthy snacks. All health food. Physical education was a blast. We did a new sport every 2 weeks.

The second public school I went to was completely opposite of what the first one was like. In this second school, I learned more about culture and others who were not as fortunate..A lot of poor teenagers went to my school, so I was able to see the other side of the spectrum. The 2nd school was more about athletics...Friday night football lol...if you were not in the honors classes the counselors did not give a hoot about your future..sad eh?

Ultimately you can take pros and cons from homeschooling and public education. It is just really up to the parents :D I am thankful though that I was able to experience many ways of schooling.

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shaheeda35

strive4Jannah
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I was never homeschooled, but I did go to a Madrassah back in the day when it wasnt so expensive like it is now. As the years went by, my father could not afford it any more and I went into public school, mashallah. It was a good school and a different learning experience from what I was used to. Now that I have kids, I tried to homeschool them, but i realized it wasnt for me and stopped. They are in public school now, and with that comes its ups and downs, but Alhamdullilah they are fine. To each is own, but if I had the finances to put them in an islamic school, I would do it in a minute inshallah.
Socialization is important, but my oldest daughter just goes to school to learn, but they do ask her a lot of questions, I just feel its a form of dawah. Allah knows best!!:hearts:
 

samiha

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I'm homeschooled... but this is kind of my second year, but it doesn't feel like it somehow :p . It's got the different pros and cons then public school I assure you, as i've been in both now...

When I was in public school up till 8th grade, it was cool in a sense that I was on top of all my work since i had pressure and force, and alhamdulillah in that sence I've always been a good student. That was simple and easy. At the same time, I realize more than 6 hours of my day were completely spent with not a shred of Islaam practically. Even if I wore the hijab, prayed at Dhuhr in school, all the rest of the day was spent with non-Muslim aquintances, doing this project or that, etc etc... then come home do all my work, prepare for tomorrow... etc.. it was a never ending cycle and sometimes it felt like for me, my time hand no barakah in it... as perhaps it didn't because the truth was...

BECAUSE of all this work, my mind was never set to think or reflect on Islaam on who I was as a Muslim. I mean, even coming from a deemed "religious" family... there's a difference in doing the acts and doing them with feeling and intention for Allah's pleasure. I never had time to ponder on the way to do the latter, as I was so engrossed in the day to day things I had to do. I was a perfectionist, a procrastinator (still am ouch) and so I'd over stress and have headaches every day, and yet hardly get to see my family except during meal times and otherwise. The people I considered "friends" were non- muslim as there were no muslims in my area... and they tend to rub off on you regardless of whether you want it or not. My life revolved around my school in some ways. Only when I took a break in the summer after 8th grade, i took the time out for some things to happen and for me to actually look into Islaam... and alhamdulillah it changed a lot of things.

When we were first taking the idea of homeschooling.. it was hard and depressing... very isolated and lonely path to take you know? And without stress and pressure to get me to go, i'm very lazy. But at the same time, now I can take a Qur'aan course, I can learn about Islaam. I can work on some improvements and think about things I didn't get to before.

Also I don't believe that by homeschooling a person suddenly loses their social skills. I think it just depends on their environment as well. Not to be harsh, but i think QUITE A FEW Americans can be very... bold, brash and rude when it comes to socialization and manners. I mean, sure with thier own ages they're fine, and they talk and what not, but then you put them with grownups sometimes and they have no idea how to act, how to behave, what's polite what's not, and many times act in such a way which is disgraceful. I mean... a child or a teen or whatever age can also pick up many bad habits which may be prevelant in our western societies.

I really get angry if people praise the western schools and societies, then i meet their child and they go "Hi!" and i grin slightly and say "Assalamu alaykum" and they mumble off a walaykum from the side of their mouths or something, or when little kids try to act like grownups in areas of makeup or behaivor... seems like with them I'm the one who's lost! lol

In the end... I think I get along best with older people and younger people, and my ages are optional ;) ... nah, alhamdulillah, I can get along with them too, just a bit more difficult because they are so much more complicated :D :D

But alhamdulillah with homeschooling and staying home, i think my relations with my family has become closer as well now. lol... now my mother can't leave to even go grocery without me sometimes as she says it feels "empty" or lonely ...

So it depends really. All I can say is that it depends on the people, the family, the environment, and what they feel best is for their child and their future as a Muslim. Because the Duniya knowledge is temporal, it's what's needed to function in society... but knowledge of the hereafter is for now and forever insha'allah.

wasalam
 

dna1987

Muslim Guy
^ Lol. Well you spent a whlie in public school too, & it's obvious you can deal with new people and have reasonable social and communication skills.

The kid in the video is very smart (can spell almost any word in 3 or 4 languages!) but he has spent way too much tiime with his mum only. I don't know if he has any life skills.

:p

Salam alaikum.
 

dna1987

Muslim Guy
I kinda felt sorry for the reporter. She was right - the interview was a very difficult one for her. Also the guy right at the end says, "a man of few words...but when he says them, he spells them right". Lol.
I think this kid's mum needs to take him out and meet more kids his age. I think a better descripton would be "painfully funny" video.
Salam alaikum.
 

dna1987

Muslim Guy
^ In that video? Yeah.

Good home-schooling can overcome problematic geniuses like in the video however. Me opinion.

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I believe his home schooling has nothing to do with the way he is reacting. They are so many kids in Public schools who are just as nerd as he is :D or even worse. Even though I would say socialisation is very crucial.

I came across this article talking about The Public School and the Muslim Child. Check it out http://www.missionislam.com/homed/public.htm
 

alkathiri

As-Shafaa'i(Brother)
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Dont call him a nerd, sis.
I doubt sister samiha will turn out like him . Some of you are scaring her.....

i thought if a mother is clever enough, home schooling will be great:muslim_child:
And you know, you got mothers love for 24 hours...:muslim_child:
 

samiha

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Dont call him a nerd, sis.
I doubt sister samiha will turn out like him . Some of you are scaring her.....

wa alaykum salam

me? naah. Not taking into account that spelling is one of my worst subjects. :p I really have to try hard at that sometimes, or use Microsoft Word. :D

I not a nerd. To be honest, they're alright depending on which type you speak of. THere's nerds, and then there's geeks, and then there are some nerdy-geeks, and some other sub-categories in that. Although, I do not agree to simple generalization for the most part, and have never called many people geeks.

I dont think it's quite socialism that's the problem. Not for some anyways. I mean, to some degree yes, the amount of interaction you have with others gives you a greater chance at adaptation and ability to socialize, for some. Others, no matter who they're with, they're still the awkward one out. I think it depends, and it's not just the homeschooling.

Besides, 1) Haya is recommended and a branch of faith. Some people who have TOO much interaction sometimes lose that quality of shyness, or taking a step back and actually being quiet sometimes. Letting others talk, and not trying to run the show.

2) As interaction brings good, it also brings bad. I've met public school kids who know how to socialize, but the words that come out of their mouths :eek: .... yeah. Two way door. Considering you remained away from it, does not mean everyone can.

Besides, I dont know. I dont think I'm that same type. :) We're all different. My cousin says I've gotten better at socializing and being "nice" after being homeschooled. As she puts it, before I had a stand-offish attitude until I really knew the person concerned, and that I seemed a bit ... snobby or something, although I was perfectly fine with the people I was comfortable witih. That's changed. :) So I'm not worried. In the end, I'll be who I will, and it all depends on what I base my morals and intentions on that will create the person I am, and Insha'allah... may Allah help to make that upon the right and correct. Ameen.

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I dont know if I said this on my last post. Homeschooling IS good. I would recommend it, only... and only in this case, is if you are willing to be with your child all the way. From when they are little to older. I mean be the role model for the kid, show them the ropes, take them by the hand. Can you imagine the strong bonds which form in such a teaching? That everything you do will be thiers to take. Sometimes, it feels like parents are giving away their kids too early. To secular societies, to schools to gobble up. You know, children arent stupid! If you want them to grow up loving Islaam, you start before they are even born and you never give up! I'm not meaning all parents here, but some find school an outlet. Let the children go, that's a burden off my shoulders for 6 hours. The home is the core of a family, and I think if we had stronger families we'd have a stronger Ummah. I think we're all broken up inside sometimes and that homeschooling brings you closer.

I dont know what will happen when I am older, but I might homeschool kids. Though I like being "teacher" so that might be cool. Anyways, enough of me.

lol ... wasalam
 

Happy 2BA Muslim

Islamophilic
Can you imagine the strong bonds which form in such a teaching? That everything you do will be thiers to take. Sometimes, it feels like parents are giving away their kids too early. To secular societies, to schools to gobble up. You know, children arent stupid! If you want them to grow up loving Islaam, you start before they are even born and you never give up! I'm not meaning all parents here, but some find school an outlet. Let the children go, that's a burden off my shoulders for 6 hours. The home is the core of a family, and I think if we had stronger families we'd have a stronger Ummah. I think we're all broken up inside sometimes and that homeschooling brings you closer.

wasalam

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:ma:Sister!! Words that should be written in gold and read by every parent and parent-to-be.

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samiha

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Again, not true, depends on parenting, person and evironment as i see it.

wasalam
 

Mabsoot

Amir
Staff member
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InshaAllah, when I get married one day and have children, they will be home schooled for ISLAM.. I am not sure about anything else, certainly I do not intend to live in a non-Muslim country for any longer than is necessary. I wish to move away and be closer to the Muslim scholars and study with them.. so, even my own schooling is not finished. Every Muslim must study and learn, there is no date for that to finish.

Personally, I went to a school here in UK, but it was not a government school. It was a boys only grammar school, you have to do an exam (11+) to enter and I think it was just 3% of the kids who do it pass.

As long as you assert your authority as a child and not let anyone make fun of you for being Muslim :p it is OK hehe... I was bit extreme as a kid and would speak back or get in big fight if someone said anything about Islam or about my family.

Also, it is very important NOT to sit back and let people dictate what they want. You have to speak out.. I am talking not just about us adults, but even as a child. If you have kids or little brothers or sisters, tell them never be afraid. Our Islam is first and always will be first. We as Muslims have rights. We must make sure nobody abuses us or makes it hard for us to practise our Islam.

I would campaign, write letters even find out the law and pressure my teachers into giving me a special prayer room, giving me time to leave lessons to go and pray, give me special priviledges on Friday to go and pray.. In primary school I had all friday afternoons off. I did not go to school on Friday afternoons.

Also, i would get the teachers to allow me to do assembly at Christmas or Easter time. To their dismay I would discredit everything they were doing as being pagan and tell them about Islam lol. Although, some of the teachers enjoyed it, with my English teacher getting up half way through and cheering like a mad man.

In high school I once took the whole of Ramadhan off school. Of course, they would be fuming and upset, but I didnt care what they thought. I really did not understand what the fuss was about, as long as I passed my exams.

Alhamdulillah, I am lucky in that my parents love Islam a lot and all I had to do was say that I did not feel like going to school and they would be absolutely fine with that. I guess they had confidence that I knew what I was doing. We all had common understanding that schools, university degrees etc are not as important as our Islam and it certainly is not a guarantee that we will have happy life.

If you see some Muslim parents, they even forbid their children from fasting in Ramadhan or even taking the day off school for Eid. They have more Iman in the Dunya then they have in Allah helping them.

I think homeschooling is good if the schools around you are very bad (if the education level is low, if the students there are bad-mannered and have bad habits, maybe if the schools are mixed boy / girl it is also a reason for kids not to go).. also, if your child is perhaps not so strong personality wise, they might get mislead or have their iman weakened by their peers.

Even if there are "Islamic schools" you must be careful, as often the students are just as bad mannered as in any other school, or infact worse.

The bottom line is, if the parents do not have a good Islamic family environment in the home, it will not matter if they are homeschooled or if they go to a normal school. A Child over the age of 9 or 10 is considered mature enough to make the right decisions. It becomes obligatory upon them to pray 5 times a day.

Western culture in particular makes people lazy and uncaring about their lives and about other people. THey not only disrespect teachers but their own parents! I still remember the first time i went to one particular non-Muslim English friend's house.. It was just so strange, how they call their parents by their first name, answer back and are rude.

Young people are not expected to think about their future, about their Religion or even about death and the afterlife. Instead, they are fed constant brainwashing about celebrities, movies, gaining lots of wealth, having girlfriends/boyfriends, wearing makeup and looking "sexy" etc etc

Whenever i go to Muslim countries, I am often suprised by the children in how mature and sensible they often are. mashaAllah. I call them "organic" children. Children who play and grow up around strong families and outside in the natural world of the trees and forests without any worries.

Here, in UK, the kids are all caged up in their homes with their parents scared of some weirdo kidnapping them.. The children just spend time with their Playstations and go to school in morning and come back in evening with just one goal in their mind... to make lots of money one day. This is what is termed successful.

What we must do is that our children are not just taught Islam but live Islam. We are the primary example for them. If we are not strong and good Muslims, they will have less of a chance to be as well. Its important they know and see the beauty of Islam and why it is such a crucial part of our lives and how it leads to the ultimate success, Jannatul Firdaus.

Allah help us all achieve that, Amin

Wasalam.
 

Greek_Rose_2005

Junior Member
Okay sis for myself I was in public school until grade 7 then 7-12 i homeschooled...there is a lot of factors..one must consider the child personality for one...like for me i was self discipled and got the schooling done and would start without anyone saying you need to start work in school work so i graduated 1 1/2 yr early also..the other thing is that ita very important if the child not going to school they are getting socialized enough this was the downside esp as i used to be so shy..alhamduallah after i started working that changed some...but consider if they dont have too much friends or anti social it may be in best interest to be in public school unless they being teased and having a hard time them emotionally may be better for home schooling..i cant stress strongly enough though that its important aside from the normal topics that kids take other topics like extracurricular activities something to keep them physically active so they not just sit all time esp in states as kids seems to gain weights here...and also to learn other useful things..

all in all for me taking homeschooling was better as the school in town i lived was very bad the kids were doing drugs smoking the girls and boys was too mixed and there was too much fitnah there not to mention the education level was below that of the homeschoolers...if you know someone going for highschool I recommend looking to a homeschool program its called The American School its fully acredited and they get an actual diploma..

the down side was my grades was very high and had i been in public school with those grades i would have gotten scholarships for univ..oh well..

there is so much factors like the school-the programs the offer, the teachers and faculity, how are the students doing in classes...is there too many distractions for students, is there too much fitnah...and all muslims must consider if the school will harm their deen by going to the school or not...

the student...what do they want to do when they go on to univ-as some classes in homeschooling are not offered that they may need for unv..is the student social or anti social, are they being teased in school, are they self discipled or will they goof off-like my brother he played around too much and ended up giving up and never finished high school..he hated homeschooling and blames our parents for it...i on other hand think it was better as i was better student and was being teased too much at school...

there is many aspects to consider what is good for one student is not for another

also the parents must consider they will have to also be the teacher and devote all their time to this to classes to make sure they doing their work to make sure they getting socialized enough to make sure that for what they like to study in unibv they studying right topics and getting etracurricular activities..i hope this all helps you..

i do recommend sitting with the kids also and talk to them see their thoughts on it the pros and cons to going to school and to home school this helps a lot by writing it down..
 

umm hussain

Junior Member
Socialising/Social skills!?!?

Asalam alaikum warahmatullah

bismillah, May the blessings of Allah be upon our Prophet Muhammad,

To an educationalist the term socialisation can mean either the process of teaching a child those rules and customs which govern the way a society works or it can mean a child's access to peer contact.

The two issues are linked since it is believed that children learn customs and rules by social contact. It is falsely assumed therefore by some educationalists that Home educating children will be socially inept.

The issue of socialisation is most often stated as a concern that if children are removed from school and educated in the home they will miss out on the necessary socialisation skills gained at school. This argument contains a number of questionable assumptions.

Firstly it is assumed that school is in some sense a model for the "real" adult world of work and recreation. In reality schools are an almost unique institution in society. Nowhere else do you find an homogeneous group of individuals of the exact same age, grouped together to complete the same task, each often working in isolation to the others in the group, with one person (the only one of a different age present) in control of the process.

It is also erroneously believed that children need many others of the same age around them. This begs the question why? Why should it be wise to remove children from society, place them in an environment with little input from adults and call it socialisation? It seems to me that many of the problems, stresses and anxieties that particularly teenage children suffer from stem from the lack of social contact they have with other members of society who have already gone through the many transitions and transformations that they are experiencing. The lack of input from adults in the lives of schooled teenage children is as shocking as it is unnatural.

I believe that school gives our young people a distorted view of life. It removes children from the realities of society and places them in the hands mostly of other children. Those few adults they do encounter become authoritative fonts of knowledge and reduces all children into passive receivers of whatever the adult deigns to pass on is this natural or real? In no other setting are people organised so strictly by age and ability (not to mention gender, race, neighbourhood etc.). They are presented with facts they are required to learn which may or may not be of any interest or utility and then they are periodically tested for their take-up of said facts.

The social skills learned in such a place are of little use to them in other settings. The only place school socialises children for is school and perhaps other institutions. If you want to socialise children for life in their community children should be educated in their community.

It is a common misunderstanding of home education that children are educated in the isolation of their homes.

Such misunderstandings are partly the fault of the term "home education" it would be better that our children were known as home based learners or some other term that more closely reflects the reality such as community based learning as some members of the home education community have argued for.

Most home educated children spend a considerable amount of time using the resources they find in their community. This more open approach provides home-educated children with the interpersonal skills necessary for them to make the most of such encounters. Thus acquiring skills more closely related to those they will need as adults. Furthermore, because learning within the community detaches the concept of learning from institutions it promotes a sense of personal responsibility to education and life generally along with an attitude to learning which encourages life long commitment to self-improvement.

It is also held that children need the relationships of friends in school, particularly the interpersonal contact provided by the playground. It is inherent in this argument that it is supposed that children need to be subjected to contact with the very large numbers of other children one encounters only in the school play ground otherwise they will be incapable of forming healthy relationships later in life.

The idea that one must be subjected to an environment where hundreds of children, who are often stressed from the classroom, are released into a mostly empty space to release that tension for short periods is one where they will develop the skills necessary for healthy interpersonal relationships later in life is frankly laughable.


The playground is another almost unique environment. It is not a model for later behaviour indeed it is a byword for immaturity and lack of judgement. Most bullying, endemic in the school environment occurs in the playground.

It has even been argued that bullying in the work place is a behaviour learned in the playground. Research shows that most workplace bullies were playground bullies.

It could be argued that far from being a positive influence on children, school could actually be a negative one. Despite the rhetoric of the apologists of the education system (mostly those who earn a living by teaching in it) the overwhelming influence of school is peer pressure with little input from adults.

It is rare that home educators find themselves isolated. Even if there are few local home educators (and with 50,000 of us or an average of 2 in every two square miles that's not a common experience) there will be other schooled children who are available for contacts after school. There are also youth organisations and clubs not to mention siblings. Additionally E-mail, letters and the telephone provide invaluable resources.


In general, the overwhelming majority of home educators regard the socialisation issue as a non issue raised primarily by those new to the idea. It is rarely an issue for home educators who have been "doing it" for any length of time in fact generally the only problems it raises is fitting it all in.

From a home education website
 
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