How to correct?

[ilyas_eh]

assalaamu alaykkum wa rahmathullahi wa barakatuhu

What should a listener do if the khateeb (jum'uah speaker) mentions a da'eef (weak) or fabricated hadith?

Especially if you are very sure that the hadith is weak/fabricated but the evidence is not at hand...

Kindly advise.. Should we correct him in private or should we interrupt the khutbah? are we allowed to interrupt the khutbah?

may Allah reward you for your efforts.

wassalaamu alaykkum.

 

[sachin4islam]

Assalamu Alaikum: Dear Br.

Once during Friday sermon,Imam of our Masjid mentioned some wrong talks about *!*!*!*!es (though it is proved fact that *!*!*!*!es are totally following wrong Aqeedah) but these allegations made by Imam were totally incorrect. My friend who left of *!*!*!*!e beliefs and was sticking to way of salaf assalih,felt very discontent of what Imam was stressing. So he stood up after the finish of Jummah prayer and told Imam of his wrong allegations,further he wanted to correct the matter so appealed the Imam to let him speak few words. But Imam refused and asked him to take permission of Ameer of the Masjid. The Ameer of the Masjid also refused to let him speak to correct the Imam.

Regards.

 

[shad0wk1]

Waalaikummussalam.

Quran said in (62:9) "O ye who believe! when the call is proclaimed to prayer on Friday (the Day of Assembly), hasten earnestly to the Remembrance of Allah, and leave off business (and traffic): that is best for you if ye but knew!" Yusuf Ali Translation in QuranExplorer

I believe we are not allowed to interrupt khutbah based on several authentic hadiths and the "remembrance of Allah" in previous mentioned verse.

Narrated Abu Huraira "The person who takes a bath then comes to
the Jum`a prayer, then offers the prayer that was destined for
him, and then keeps silent till the Imam finishes the sermon, and
then prays along with him, his sins between that time and the
next Friday would be forgiven, and even of three days more"
(similar hadiths appear in Abu Dawood, Ibn Majah, & Ahmad bin
Hanbal)

It was narrated that Abu’l-Darda’ said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sat on the minbar and addressed the people, and he recited a verse. Ubayy ibn Ka’b was next to me, so I said to him: “O Ubayy, when was this verse revealed?” But he refused to speak to me, so I asked him again and he refused to speak to me, until the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came down (from the minbar). Then Ubayy said to me: “You have gained nothing from your Jumu’ah except idle talk.” When the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had finished (the prayer), I went to him and told him (what had happened). He said: “Ubayy was right. When you hear your imam speaking, then keep quiet and listen attentively until he has finished.” Narrated by Ahmad, 20780; Ibn Maajah, 1111; classed as saheeh by al-Busayri and al-Albaani in Tamaam al-Mannah, p. 338.
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/45651

There are also discussion about it in the following link.
http://www.crescentyouth.com/board/showthread.php?t=25150

But correcting him in private would be allowed. I am basing this to Al-Asr,103 :1-3
"By (the Token of) time (through the Ages), (1) Verily Man is in loss, (2) Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds, and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth, and of Patience and Constancy. (3) " Yusuf Ali Translation in QuranExplorer

"in the mutual teaching of Truth" or "recommend one another to the truth" in other translation. You shall not fear if you are in the truth. But it is worthy to remember most of the time the one giving Khutbah are knowledgeable. Respect him and don't belittle him when you correcting him in private. It would be great if you give authentic reasonings and evidence based on Quran and authentic hadith. If he didn't listen to you, it doesn't matter. You have tried.

If there is anything wrong, it was based on my weakness. Allah the All-Knowing knows Best.

 

[ilyas_eh]

Jazak Allahu khyir akhi sachin and shad0wk1.

@shad0wk1 - may Allah reward you with much good. my question was about speaking to imaam directly.. in the fatwa you 'linked', sheikh mentioned a hadith in favour of that.. In case of speaking to those other than imaam, it is quite clear that we shouldnt talk.. but as i can see now, we can talk to imaam... i'll quote a part of fatwa below:

An exception is made from that in the case of speaking to the imam, or the imam speaking to the worshippers for some important reason.

It was narrated that Anas ibn Maalik said: The people were afflicted with a drought at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and whilst the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was delivering the khutbah one Friday, a Bedouin stood up and said: “O Messenger of Allaah, our wealth has been destroyed and our children are starving. Pray to Allaah for us.” So he raised his hands [and made du’aa’]. And it rained that day and the next and the next and the next, until the following Friday, when that Bedouin – or he said, someone else – stood up and said: “O Messenger of Allaah, our houses have been destroyed and our wealth drowned. Pray to Allaah for us.” So he raised his hands… Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 891; Muslim, 897.


It was narrated that Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah said: A man came whilst the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was addressing the people on Friday, and he [the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)] said: “Have you prayed, O So and so?” He said, “No.” He said: “Stand up and pray two rak’ahs.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 888; Muslim, 875.

Whoever quotes these hadeeth as evidence that it is permissible for worshippers to speak to one another and that it is not obligatory to remain silent, is not correct.

Ibn Qudaamah said:

What they quote as evidence may be understood as referring only to the one who speaks to the imam or to whom the imam speaks, because that does not distract anyone from listening to his khutbah. Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) asked him, “Have you prayed?” and he replied; and ‘Umar asked ‘Uthmaan a question, when he came in whilst he was preaching, and he answered. Thus we should understand these reports in this manner, in order to reconcile the reports. It is not correct to draw an analogy with anything else, because when the imaam speaks, he interrupts his khutbah, so he is not talking to the other person during the khutbah as such, unlike when others speak during the khutbah.

But can we publicly correct them????
Please answer...

 

[faaraa]

Allah knows the best...

I personally think that it would be better if we can go to the Imam and have a discussion privately rather than correcting him on public...

I am saying this because, it is a bitter truth that some of the Muslims have divided them selves into many sects and waiting to find other peoples' faults and at last they expose their errors on public and give them a title..... (This is common every where in the world now a days...)

So in such a situation, we better to keep quite in the public BUT WE MUST inform the Imaam about the mistakes he made during the sermon ... (Private talk is better than public advise I guess..)

You see, when the Imaam is making a mistake during he is conducting the Salah, we are supposed to give him the signals........ so that he might correct it....
If he does not realize / understand our signals, we must inform him after the salah and he is supposed to make the alternatives after wards...

But ,,,,, Is there any Sahih rulings on correcting the Imam during the Kutba ??? I am not sure , so if ay one knows plz do share them Allah Knows the best..

But I have read in the life history of Imam Shafi or Imam Malik (I am not sure who is the exact person ) ... that once the imaam was delivering a lecture, he made some mistakes in making a fatwa, and there was a man amongst the audience who knew a contradicting Hadeeth which was Sahih and he knew the chain of the narrators too. so after he finished the lecture he went to Imam and he informed him that he knows this particular hadeeth and the Imam should change his fatwa..

So later on on the other gathering which followed this particular lecture, the imaam informed the public that he made a mistake and he changed that fatwa.....


So , Allah knows the best and let us wait and see what are the other members' views ..

Allah Knows the best
Fee Amanillah

 

[IHearIslam]

Assalaamu alaikum,

I dont have the evidence at hand right now, but I believe that there is a ruling on this. basically what I remember is, the person should correct the Immaam in private. Its not the way of the salaf to go and correct someone infront of an audience as far as I know. insha'Allah someone with more knowledge can elaborate on what I am trying to say here!

Edit: I see the sister above has the information now...didnt read the answers. I appologise!

 

[ilyas_eh]

Assalaamu alaikum,

I dont have the evidence at hand right now, but I believe that there is a ruling on this. basically what I remember is, the person should correct the Immaam in private. Its not the way of the salaf to go and correct someone infront of an audience as far as I know. insha'Allah someone with more knowledge can elaborate on what I am trying to say here!

Edit: I see the sister above has the information now...didnt read the answers. I appologise!

wa alaykkum assalaam wa rahmathullah

Jazak Allahu khyir ukhti. I want to share something i read few days back...

It's better to advise someone in private instead of calling them out in public. Imam Shafee once stated. "Support me with your advice in private, and avoid advising me in public. Surely giving advice among the people is a kind of reproach, which I would rather not listen to. If you disobey and ignore my wish, don't be saddened if you are not obeyed."

The Question of correcting the imaam during the kutbah came up in my mind because, those who may not be aware the fact that the hadith is weak/fabricated may relate it to someone else...

moreover the concern is 'Is a person sinning by not correcting at the spot?'

It is getting clearer now. may Allah bless you in this life and in the hereafter.

wassalaamu alaykkum.

Allah knows the best...

I personally think that it would be better if we can go to the Imam and have a discussion privately rather than correcting him on public...

Jazak Allahu khyir ukhti.

I am saying this because, it is a bitter truth that some of the Muslims have divided them selves into many sects and waiting to find other peoples' faults and at last they expose their errors on public and give them a title..... (This is common every where in the world now a days...)

So in such a situation, we better to keep quite in the public BUT WE MUST inform the Imaam about the mistakes he made during the sermon ... (Private talk is better than public advise I guess..)

Sadly true. Very. The members of masjid's administration that i'm attending are victims themselves. But alhamdulillah, i asked the question keeping in mind that these brothers and imaams are open minded for any positive criticism. I accept that correcting in private is far more easy.

But ,,,,, Is there any Sahih rulings on correcting the Imam during the Kutba ??? I am not sure , so if ay one knows plz do share them Allah Knows the best..

So , Allah knows the best and let us wait and see what are the other members' views ..
Allah Knows the best
Fee Amanillah

barak Allahu feek.

wassalaamu alaykkum.