truthseeker63
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Can anyone refute or debunk or disprove this Christian claim the Christians say Jesus was God and man 100% Immortal and 100% Mortal they call this the Hypostatic Union ?
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The simplicity of disproving the claim that jesus was God and man is just too simple. I hope I can answer this question to your satisfaction. It is important to note that Christians invented this term Hypostatic Union at the First council of Ephseus. It is just a label they used to explain the unexplainable.
Whenever you have a discussion on a controversial topic you have to define terms. What is God and what is man? God is all powerful, without beginning and end. Man is not all powerful because he has limits, man is born and dies, therefore how can someone, anyone, be God and man.
The concept is full of contradiction and intellectual fallacy. It is like me saying I am you and me at the same time. Is that even possible? no. I am either me or you.
Whenever you have a discussion on a controversial topic you have to define terms. What is God and what is man? God is all powerful, without beginning and end. Man is not all powerful because he has limits, man is born and dies, therefore how can someone, anyone, be God and man.
The concept is full of contradiction and intellectual fallacy. It is like me saying I am you and me at the same time. Is that even possible? no. I am either me or you.
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Peace be upon you brother truthseeker63
Muslims believe in one God and worship him alone . This was the same message brought by all prophets and messengers of God. (1)
Moses (peace be upon him) said “Hear, O Israel The Lord our God is one Lord.” (Deuteronomy 6:4).
This was repeated by Jesus (peace be upon him), when he said: “The first of all the commandments is, ‘Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord.’” (Mark 12:29).
And finaly Allah revealed to Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him)
“And your God is One God: there is no god but He...” (the Holy Quran, 2:163)
Allah also says in the Holy Quran:
“And We did not send any Messenger before you (O Muhammad) but We revealed to him (saying): ‘none has the right to be worshipped but I, so worship Me.’” (the Holy Quran, 21:25)
Muslims do not believe in the trinity, nor that Jesus (peace be upon him) is God. God does not die, he is not a human or part of his creation. God does not beget nor is begotten, and nothing is comparable to Him. "Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him." (The Holy Quran, 112, 1-4).
God does not have sons, daughters or associates. And he is All-sufficient. Free of human limitations, needs and wants. He is in no need of ie. food, drink, nor does slumber or tiredness overtake him. "Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory). " (The Holy Quran, 2, 255)
Muslims do not believe in the "original sin". Adam was forgiven by God. God is the All-Forgiver and Accepter of Repentance. God does not need any blood sacrifice for that, let alone descend in the form of man himself and die for every man's sins. Everyone is born sinless, it is when we consciously commit an act that is against God's will/commandments that we commit a sin. God forgives us when we turn to him in repentance and ask his forgiveness. The Holy Quran tells us that it is not possible for one person to bear the sins of another and that we are all responsible, before God, for our own actions.
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/13/viewall/
Muslims believe in Jesus (peace be upon him) as a prophet of God, not the son of God. He was created by God's Word “It is He who gives life and causes death; and when He decrees a matter, He but says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.” (the holy Quran, 40:68), and a spirit created by God, brought by Gabriel, a mighty angel of God, and breathed into Mary.“…"a Spirit created by Him.”(the holy Quran, 4:171) “We blew into (her womb) through Our angel.” (the holy Quran, 66:12) . His birth was miraculous, without a father. A sign from God. When his pious mother was accused. God made him speak in defense of her. Jesus (peace be upon him) did miracles by God's will and permission. Jesus (peace be upon him) did not come to atone for the sins of mankind; rather, his purpose was to reaffirm the message of the Prophets before him. He was not crucified, God saved him from the intended crucifixion, and raised him up to him. And Muslims believe he is the Messiah, and that he will return.
I recommend you have a look at the following articles:
Discovering the Real Jesus (peace be upon him)
Mark vs. Matthew and Luke, The Gospel of John, Textual Comparisons (I), (II), (III), Conclusion
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/1576/viewall/
Video
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77891
Christian Scholars Recognize Contradictions in the Bible
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/584/viewall/
The Bible Denies the Divinity of Jesus (peace be upon him)
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/662/viewall/
Is Jesus God?
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/35/viewall/
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/560/
Jesus son (of Mary) peace be upon them
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/1412/viewall/
The Story of Adam
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/1190/viewall/
Regarding "The Original Sin"
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/13/viewall/
The Historical Fallacy of Atonement
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/629/viewall/
I recommend you read a book called "My Great Love for Jesus Led Me to Islam" by Simon Alfredo Caraballo. You can order this book free, as well as 4 others from the following link:
http://www.islamunveiled.org/eng/modules.php?name=free_books
May Allah guide you to his straight path.
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(1) http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/37/
Peace be upon you brother truthseeker63
Muslims believe in one God and worship him alone . This was the same message brought by all prophets and messengers of God. (1)
Moses (peace be upon him) said “Hear, O Israel The Lord our God is one Lord.” (Deuteronomy 6:4).
This was repeated by Jesus (peace be upon him), when he said: “The first of all the commandments is, ‘Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord.’” (Mark 12:29).
And finaly Allah revealed to Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him)
“And your God is One God: there is no god but He...” (the Holy Quran, 2:163)
Allah also says in the Holy Quran:
“And We did not send any Messenger before you (O Muhammad) but We revealed to him (saying): ‘none has the right to be worshipped but I, so worship Me.’” (the Holy Quran, 21:25)
Muslims do not believe in the trinity, nor that Jesus (peace be upon him) is God. God does not die, he is not a human or part of his creation. God does not beget nor is begotten, and nothing is comparable to Him. "Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him." (The Holy Quran, 112, 1-4).
God does not have sons, daughters or associates. And he is All-sufficient. Free of human limitations, needs and wants. He is in no need of ie. food, drink, nor does slumber or tiredness overtake him. "Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory). " (The Holy Quran, 2, 255)
Muslims do not believe in the "original sin". Adam was forgiven by God. God is the All-Forgiver and Accepter of Repentance. God does not need any blood sacrifice for that, let alone descend in the form of man himself and die for every man's sins. Everyone is born sinless, it is when we consciously commit an act that is against God's will/commandments that we commit a sin. God forgives us when we turn to him in repentance and ask his forgiveness. The Holy Quran tells us that it is not possible for one person to bear the sins of another and that we are all responsible, before God, for our own actions.
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/13/viewall/
Muslims believe in Jesus (peace be upon him) as a prophet of God, not the son of God. He was created by God's Word “It is He who gives life and causes death; and when He decrees a matter, He but says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.” (the holy Quran, 40:68), and a spirit created by God, brought by Gabriel, a mighty angel of God, and breathed into Mary.“…"a Spirit created by Him.”(the holy Quran, 4:171) “We blew into (her womb) through Our angel.” (the holy Quran, 66:12) . His birth was miraculous, without a father. A sign from God. When his pious mother was accused. God made him speak in defense of her. Jesus (peace be upon him) did miracles by God's will and permission. Jesus (peace be upon him) did not come to atone for the sins of mankind; rather, his purpose was to reaffirm the message of the Prophets before him. He was not crucified, God saved him from the intended crucifixion, and raised him up to him. And Muslims believe he is the Messiah, and that he will return.
I recommend you have a look at the following articles:
Discovering the Real Jesus (peace be upon him)
Mark vs. Matthew and Luke, The Gospel of John, Textual Comparisons (I), (II), (III), Conclusion
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/1576/viewall/
Video
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77891
Christian Scholars Recognize Contradictions in the Bible
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/584/viewall/
The Bible Denies the Divinity of Jesus (peace be upon him)
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/662/viewall/
Is Jesus God?
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/35/viewall/
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/560/
Jesus son (of Mary) peace be upon them
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/1412/viewall/
The Story of Adam
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/1190/viewall/
Regarding "The Original Sin"
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/13/viewall/
The Historical Fallacy of Atonement
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/629/viewall/
I recommend you read a book called "My Great Love for Jesus Led Me to Islam" by Simon Alfredo Caraballo. You can order this book free, as well as 4 others from the following link:
http://www.islamunveiled.org/eng/modules.php?name=free_books
May Allah guide you to his straight path.
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(1) http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/37/