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    AssalaamuAlaikum to everyone.

    I had a conversation with my cousin yesterday and I am basically looking for rational/logical answers/scientific evidences for most of my questions. As I have to give them back to him. So please help me.

    1. How did Allah(SWT) create Adam(AS)? I know that HE(SWT) created him out of dust, but was it like HE(SWT) made him out of HIS hands or something? And for what reason did HE(SWT) create him?

    2. I would like to know, How did the human population increase on the Earth. I believe Adam(AS) & Hawaa() where sent on the Earth & after that how did the population increase?

    3. Would like to know more about Evolution & Islam. Some scientific evidence that negates the Darwin's theory. [An authentic source please]

    4. Does Islam have any rulings on photography? If yes, why so?

    5. And what does Islam say abnout cloning/genetically made vegetables and all those?

    6. This is for my personal answering, - What is the age from which our deeds are noted down?

    P.S - Please remember I have to answer a person who does not believe in Islam, so I guess I don't think I can go to him with the Hadith's & Ayats of Quran. But you could still place hadith's & ayats, so that atleast I would benefit from them. InshaAllah. Am sorry if my way of questioning offends anyone, My english is bad. So do forgive my imperfections. InshaAllah will improve.
    • Ma sha Allah! Ma sha Allah! x 1
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    If no one answers in a few days then I will attempt it.
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    1 and 3:
    2: Adam alayhi assalam and Hawa radhyallahu anha always got twins. A boy and a girl. The boy of the first pair of twins was allowed to marry the girl of the second pair of twins. And vice versa. As long as the girl and the boy are not from the same birth they could marry each other.
    Why there are so many different looking humans when we are all Adam alahi assalam descendants? Well there is a hadith that explains this:

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    4: Read this there you can learn what is permissible and not about photographs.
    http://alifta.com/Fatawa/FatawaChapters.aspx?View=Tree&NodeID=400&PageNo=1&BookID=7

    5: Do you mean cloning humans??

    Wa'alaikoum assalam
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    http://islamqa.com/en/ref/177657

    What we are talking about "evolution" here is human evolved from apes (or they common ancestry, if you put it this way) not micro evolution or survival of fittest.
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    InshaAllah. I'll be waiting for your response brother. :)

    Yes brother I do mean cloning of humans.

    A few more questions -

    For the 1. - How was Eve created from Adam?
    For the 2. - I kind of didn't understand it clearly? Would you help me out here please.
    The twins were born over a period of 9 months like it happens now?
    Wouldn't they be marrying their own brothers & sisters?
    And the hadith you posted - How would the color of twins differ? For example, If a mother is white & a father black - The possible color of child[I can think of is white, wheatish, black or a mix of both black & white] But how red & other colors? Am sorry brother. I really didn't understand much out of the hadith. Please help me.

    For the fatwa on photography. JazakAllah Khair :)


    AssalaamuAlaikum brother.
    MashaAllah your father seems to be very knowledgable. I don't even know the "B" of BIOLOGY!! If you could ask him & please explain me the evolution part? I would be grateful to both of you. Alhamdulilah. I would like to know both about Evolution of Species as well as Evolution of Humans from Apes?

    And Brother Ayyub did whatever he could brother. So don't be hard on him. Humans do err & It's divine to forgive. :)

    Peace.
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    JazakAllah Khair bhai.

    What does "hadd punishment" mean?
    And my question related to it are

    1. What if a kid below the age of puberty commits suicide? Does the hadith - It was narrated from Thaabit ibn al-Dahhaak (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever kills himself with something in this world will be punished with it on the Day of Resurrection.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5700; Muslim, 110. Apply here also?

    2. What happens to a kid on the Judgement Day if the kid dies before reaching the age of puberty?
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    Wai yyakum.

    Capital punishment.


    No it doesn't, please read the conclusion:

    http://islamqa.com/en/ref/118103


    & here's a nice book: http://www.islamhouse.com/p/334316
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    Asalamo`Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuh.

    He's dead serious.

    There is brother. The dispute is:

    “He created man (Adam) from sounding clay like the clay of pottery”

    [al-Rahmaan 55:14]
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    aslam o alaikum

    woah bro wat are you saying....

    thats not right, human didn't come from apes maybe i misunderstood you before.

    and bro first of all, you are wrong about our DNA all this , i have studied this too the reason they say we are close to apes if i remember correctly they took the gene of a snRNA , it wasn't DNA to begin with, and with that in mind we share DNA with every living things, the way and THIS IS A THEORY, the scientist are reconciling to the fact is that we have a common ancestor and we must come from the same thing, now islam doesn't say anything about other creations coming from one common ancestor but HUMAN are totally different. and i know wat they tell you in evolution class, humans growing with tails, and our face looking like beaks, Fine i give you that but that doesn't mean we are evolving from apes or other being. It could also be due to adaptation of our environment, in SIMPLE thats the way Allah (swt) wanted it to happen. Another thing is that Allah (swt) has created us all living thing from water so we are bound to share DNA

    The Quran describes that Allah "made from water every living thing" (21:30)
    "Allah has created every animal from water. Of them are some that creep on their bellies, some that walk on two legs, and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills, for truly Allah has power over all things" (24:45).
    And you know it urself too, that the genus homo ... if you see we humans have evolved as well, but we might have looked a little different physically which u have to admit are logical environmental adaptation as well & also adaptation to like vegetation, cause we started agriculture introduced diff food group etc, we see HUMAN always stand out cause of their intellect, Human brains are much larger than ape brains, The hyoid bone in the throat--allows us to speak, i cant find the verse but Allah (swt) created man to govern the things around us so u can see it, just separating due to intellect is a huge thing.
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    http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/34508/evolution

    There are people who say that long ago man was a monkey and he evolved. Is this true? Is there any evidence?.

    Praise be to Allaah.
    This view is not correct, and the evidence for that is that Allaah has described in the Qur’aan the stages of the creation of Adam. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “Verily, the likeness of ‘Eesa (Jesus) before Allaah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: ‘Be!’ — and he was”

    [Aal ‘Imraan 3:59]

    This dust was moistened until it became sticky mud or clay that stuck to the hands. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And indeed We created man (Adam) out of an extract of clay (water and earth)”

    [al-Mu’minoon 23:12]

    “Verily, We created them of a sticky clay”

    [al-Saaffaat 37:12]

    Then it became dried (sounding) clay of altered mud. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And indeed, We created man from dried (sounding) clay of altered mud”
    [al-Hijr 15:26]

    Then when it dried it became sounding clay like the clay of pottery. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “He created man (Adam) from sounding clay like the clay of pottery”

    [al-Rahmaan 55:14]

    Then Allaah moulded it into the form that He wanted and breathed into him (his) soul created by Him. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “(Remember) when your Lord said to the angels: ‘Truly, I am going to create man from clay’.

    So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him”

    [Saad 38:71-72]

    These are the stages through which the creation of Adam passed according to the Qur’aan. As for the stages of creation which the progeny of Adam pass through, Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And indeed We created man (Adam) out of an extract of clay (water and earth).

    Thereafter We made him (the offspring of Adam) as a Nutfah (mixed drops of the male and female sexual discharge and lodged it) in a safe lodging (womb of the woman).

    Then We made the Nutfah into a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood), then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh, then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We brought it forth as another creation. So Blessed is Allaah, the Best of creators”
    [al-Mu’minoon 23:12-14]

    With regard to the wife of Adam – Hawwa’ (Eve) – Allaah tells us that He created her from him, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife [Hawwa (Eve)], and from them both He created many men and women”

    [al-Nisa’ 4:1]


    From Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 1/31.
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    Either you are a non-muslim troll or a muslim convert who lacks both knowledge and belief and has not fully submitted to Islam.

    We quote the Quran because it is the word of God and the truth. Science is made up guesses that change each time humans figure out they were WRONG.

    God says He created humans. To deny that and claim you came from a monkey is disbelief.

    Person need PhDs to know that much, even an illiterate farmer who believes in creation is more educated then your Ph.Ds who got papers from universities teaching lies.

    You believe whatever you want, we are Muslims. We believe. “He created man (Adam) from sounding clay like the clay of pottery” [al-Rahmaan 55:14]
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    aslam o aliakum

    bro im not denying humans have evolved they probably have but within the genus homo, we haven't evolved from apes or orangutan. It is a theory i did part of my honor specialization in 2nd year in evolution, wat you are saying is exactly wat they feed you, and i do have a science qualification thats why im speaking on this matter. and i already told u i dont deny that when humans are embryologically develop we have similarity
    and about the tail 'the coccyx' is part of a our vetebrae it serves a purpose for us, it all depend how you define a tail, i dont see us wagging it anywhere.

    And its still are theory and will remain one cause whatever evidence anyone gives they cant explain the evolution of intelligence ... and stop defining terms to me i know what micro and macro evolution is. i told u i dont have problem with anything wat Allah (swt) didn't make mention in the quran but Allah (swt) OUR CREATOR told us how he created mankind.
    and ur step dad credentials are impressive still the word of Allah (swt) is the word, thats wat matter, the one who created us knows us better than we even know ourselves.
    also, i mention before, the genetic compatibility is based on a RNA i cant remember the specific unit i think it was small rRna, but when done with other thing the difference between human and chimp is more
    also there have been studies done showing 95% not 98.5% as suggested
    http://www.caltech.edu/content/huma...-compatibility-not-985-percent-research-shows

    and u should read this

    http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/11/skipping_over_f066381.html

    also, if u have studied evolution it tells u there are two strong theories (when i studied ) multiregional hypothesis , and out of africa THEORY , suggesting where humans came from and they got proof for suspecting both of them , now if they got genetic and fossil evidence for both, then which one you say are the real humans??

    anywayz i dont want this to drag on, i just want to say the word of God takes precedence over everything, and in science it takes thousands of experiment to prove something but only one to disapprove it so it can take a turn anytime. also, you have to understand the point of the scientist who are trying to built a phylogenetic tree with a common ancestor they have to come up with things to favor otherwise everything falls apart.
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    aslam o alaikum

    I agree

    Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe? [21:30 ]

    if a person cant believe the existence of his lord who created him and who he will be returning to what use is the other knowledge to him, and even when ALlah (swt) shows him the beauty of his creation around him thru everything SubhanAllah
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    You must be someone very special who is a member on other forums and have a youtube and have family members running around with Ph.Ds. How silly of me that i dare talk to an ignorant fool like you like that.

    I don't disregard science. I disregard lunatics that think they came from monkeys.

    When the Muslim world was an Islamic world (meaning they followed Islam properly), they were in the Islamic Golden age. Medicine, technologies, medical procedures you talk about were all advances made by them. The advancement modern world has today is because of the Muslims. Visit http://www.1001inventions.com/1001inventions and look up HP CEO Fiona and islamic civilization to better educate yourself. The Muslim world is in the state it is today because Muslims have stepped away from following Islam, which has led to corruption and the state they are in. They are in the state they are today is also because of centuries of colonization and slavery by the western regimes followed by puppet government installments and support and backing of dictators who benefit from keeping the public uneducated. And yet still Muslims have strived and made may advancements, but you wouldn't know that because the western media would never show that on tv.


    Here's a short list for this century.


    Anousheh Ansari (Persian: born 12 September 1966) is the Iranian-American co-founder and chairman of Prodea Systems, Inc and a spaceflight participant with the Russian space program. The Ansari family is also the title sponsor of the Ansari X PRIZE. The Ansari X PRIZE was a space competition in which the X PRIZE Foundation offered a US$10,000,000 prize for the first non-government organization to launch a reusable manned spacecraft into space twice within two weeks. On September 18, 2006, a few days after her 40th birthday, she became the first female Muslim and first Iranian in space. Ansari is the fourth overall self-funded space tourist, and the first self-funded woman to fly to the International Space Station.

    Prof. Dr. Salimuzzaman Siddiqui (1897-1994) was a leading Pakistani scientist in natural products chemistry, an eminent literary personality, a painter, and a great connoisseur of music.He is the pioneer in extracting chemical compunds from the Neem (Azadirachta indica) and Rauwolfia, and is also known for isolating novel chemical compunds from various other flora in the Subcontinent. As the director of H.E.J. Research Institute of Chemistry, he carried out extensive research with a team of scientists on pharmacology of various plants to extract a number of chemical substances of medicinal importance.

    Ahmed Hassan Zewail (Arabic) (born February 26, 1946 in Damanhur, Egypt) is an Egyptian American scientist, and the winner of the 1999 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for his work on femtochemistry.

    Ali Eftekhari (born August 29, 1979 in Tehran, Iran) is a professor of chemistry and director of Avicenna Institute of Technology, Berkeley, California.He is one of the founders of Electrochemical Nanotechnology, and Editor of a leading book entitled Nanostructured Materials in Electrochemistry.

    Jawed Karim (Bengali) is a co-founder of the popular video sharing website YouTube.

    Pierre M. Omidyar (Persian: born June 21, 1967) is a French-born Iranian-American entrepreneur and philanthropist/economist, and the founder/chairman of the eBay auction site.

    Samuel Rahbar (born in 1929 in Hamedan, Iran) is an Iranian scientist who discovered HbA1C, a form of hemoglobin used primarily to identify plasma glucose concentration over time.

    Abdul Salam (January 29, 1926 at Santokdas, Sahiwal[1] in Punjab – November 21, 1996 in Oxford, England) was a Pakistani theoretical physicist who received the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1979 for his work in Electro-Weak Theory which is the mathematical and conceptual synthesis of the Electromagnetic and Weak interactions, the latest stage in the effort to provide a unified description of the four fundamental forces of nature.

    Fazlur Rahman Khan (Bengali: Fozlur Rôhman Khan) (April 3, 1929 - March 27, 1982), born in Dhaka, East Pakistan (now Bangladesh), was a Bangladeshi American structural engineer. He is regarded as the "Einstein of structural engineering" and considered "the greatest architectural engineer of the second half of the 20th century" for his constructions of the Sears Tower and John Hancock Center, and for his designs of structural systems that remain fundamental to all high-rise skyscrapers.

    Mehran Kardar is a prominent Iranian born physicist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He is particularly known for the KPZ equation in theoretical physics, which has been named after him.

    Dr. Akhtar Hameed Khan (1914-1999) was a development activist and social scientist credited for pioneering microcredit and microfinance initiatives, farmers' cooperatives, and rural training programmes in the developing world. He is particularly known for his leading role in the establishment of a comprehensive project for rural development, Comilla Model (1959) that earned him Magsaysay Award from Philippines and honorary Doctorate of Law by Michigan State University. In 1980s he founded a bottom up community development initiative of Orangi Pilot Project in Karachi slums. He received wide international recognition and highest honours in Pakistan for these projects and a number of programs that were part of these projects, from microcredit to self-financed and from housing provision to family planning.

    Mahbub ul Haq (February 22, 1934 - July 16, 1998) was an influential and world renowned Pakistani economist. One of the founders of human development theory (and a personal friend of Amartya Sen, whom he met while studying at Cambridge), together with Amartya Sen he created the Human Development Index, which came to be one of the most influential indices and has been used since 1990 by the United Nations Development Programme


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists


    I could go on but I think you get the point.

    As for the ignorant mindset, no one is more ignorant or arrogrant then the one who denies the power of Allah, who makes up their own fairytales and believes in them, carrying pieces of paper thinking they are qualified to talk about stuff they are utterly ignorant of.

    Report to the mods all you want, i don't think standing up for Islam and pointing the ignorance of these "educated" descendents of monkeys is against the forum rules.
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    Whoever reads a letter from the Book of Allah, he will have a reward. And that reward will be multiplied by ten. I am not saying that “Alif, Laam, Meem” is a letter, rather I am saying that “Alif” is a letter, “laam” is a letter and “meem” is a letter.” So increase your recitation of the Qur’an to gain these merits, and to gain the following merit as well.


    what this mean?.
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    asalam alaykam, brother muslims were #1 in medicine and science,but now west countries steal our resources and forbid us from doing research because they want us to buy from them.
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    There are ten rewards for each letter you recite from the Qur’an. It's like you get 10 deeds for each letter you say, so imagine the number of deeds you get for reciting a whole word, sentence, paragraph, page or the whole quran?
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    :salam2:

    Are you taking the work of humans (science, R&D, etc.) to be more truthful than the Word of your Creator (SWT)?
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    Assalamu 'alaykum.

    Brother Scotty, what do you think about this verse then? How do you reconcile your belief in evolution with this? I'm just curious by the way.

    “He created man (Adam) from sounding clay like the clay of pottery”

    [al-Rahmaan 55:14]

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