Is living in a non-muslim country haraam??

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    as salaamu alaykm wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,
    I just read what was asked about is honeymoon haraam and I have thoughts and questions that take this to another level. If it is haraam to visit a non-muslim country then that would then make it haraam for me to continue to live in a non-muslim country. I thought that as long as the teachings of the qu'ran and sunnah are followed that is all that matters. I am a new muslim who lives in a non-muslim country and I have to say that yes... for me it is hard to live in this country as a muslim but that is more because I am seen as a traitor for being a white woman who has reverted to islam not because it is hard for me to follow my beliefs. I wear hijab, and dress very modestly and I do not let those around me influence me in anyway. In my heart i wish to marry a man from a muslim nation and go there to live but sometimes I think thats me just wanting to run away from the prejudices I face in my own country. I have lost freinds and family due to my choice of following islam but I keep telling myself that I must be strong and stay here if only to teach others the truth of islam because people here only know what is said in the media and I feel someone must stand and counteract these lies being told. However if my staying here is haraam then I must make the choice to leave. Can someone please tell me where to look for these answers???? I must know!!! If staying here is haraam then I must start amking plans! please someone who is knowledgable respond to this immediatley!!!!!
    jazak allah khair
    al salam waleikum
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    Assalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wabarakatuh,

    May Allah help us. I ask Allah subhanahu wata3ala to help me, you and other muslims and muslimas. We have to make a plan and Allah will help us. Many of us don't have firm knowledge to counteract the lies. We want also to have kids, so how do you think the kids will grow in non-muslim countries. Allah knows, but Allah says also before counteracting the lies, we have to protect ourselfs and our kids from hell fire. Allah says: Ya ayoha ladien amanoe Qoe anfusakum wahlikoem naren.... " the meaning : " O you who believe protect yourselfs and your family from Hell fire ...." This is the first thing that we have to do. Are you strong to do that? I don't know if I'am strong to do that. We will be asked about our kids. So we have to think deeply and don't think we will stay in these countries for ever. So you have to make plans and Insha Allah in the feature we will leave these countries.
    Many scholars have the opinion that we have to leave from non-muslim countries.

    Fi amanillah.

    Wassalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wabaraktuh,

    Imad
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    Please remain and be a good example!

    Asalamualikum,

    What you said is so true, but remember the days before your eyes were opened to Islam. Now, you can be a bridge for those who you think are against you. They are normal for thinking about your change of life.


    Perhaps, your friends were not sincere in the first place....for what is best for you. I am sure they want to 'look' out after you, and not be taken in by the media's view of Islam 'taking over the world'.
    There are many of us who face this daily. When I can, I speak to my friends about what I have learned about Islam. They do not have to agree with me. When most of us have been brought up believing one way, it is difficult to 'change' thoughts of this.

    This is why I feel that Allah called me to understand the truth...and you too!
    So do not hide your 'candle' of truth. Continue living strong for Allah in all things, and live your life on Allah's earth. There is no where to 'hide' from the daggars of lies....just remain trusting in Allah.


    Do I like going where all people are not aware of Islam, except from the media? Of course not. However, in my actions, I am different than before, and in my way of modest dress. I can share with others what I have learned...and not to avoid my friends. I have changed my values greatly, because of guidance from Allah through various muslim sites, such as this one.

    Stay here with us, and should Allah wish for you to live in a different country, then inshaAllah.

    Sallam
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    Salaam alikom I am not a Knowledgable person but

    Ok If you going to leave your country where you will go? Arabic Country ..? show me one Arabic Country following the Shariah? ok lets forget about Shariah..what about Justice? mmm lets forget about Justice... What about freedome of speech? what about discrimination..? Yes all this in Muslim countries now days.
    With all of the respect to the people, who says living in Non-Muslim country is haram etc. why not they tell the leaders first to be rule with justice and follow the shairah then tell the Muslim who lives in the west to come to Muslim country.

    Muslim lived side by side in Spain and it wasnt at first a Muslim country and they lived in peacefull way.
    I know its hard to live now days in Non Muslim countries but its harder to live in Muslim country too. In my opinion people or Muslim follow more Islamic rules in the west than in the Muslim countries because they want to be close to thier religion.

    Quote from the link posted by mohd_osman
    If a Muslim were to fear that he or she will lose his/her faith by living in the West, then he or she must go back and settle down where he or she can protect his or her religion.
    while living in the West, they should have a sense of mission to share the message of mercy inherent in Islam with the people around them. By doing so, we are fulfilling the prophecy of our beloved Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) who said, "This mission of Islam is going to reach every nook and corner of the world."

    wa salaam alikom
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    salaam,
    jazak allah khair,
    I appriciate this site.... it is a very good one and answered my questions well.......however would anyone like to get technical with what is actually a life endangering situation...is people just threatening to kill you count??? or do people actually have to try to kill you???? just curious.......thanks jazak allah khair
    al salaam waleikum
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    salaam alikom

    Sister if the situation is that seriouse then you need to contact the Police or the authority if you are in U.S I would advise you to contact the police and CAIR The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) is a nonprofit 501(c)(4), grassroots civil rights and advocacy group.
    BUT YOU NEED TO CONTACT THE POLICE.
    http://www.cair.com/

    contact depends on your city
    http://www.cair.com/default.asp?Page=chapters

    contact the main office
    Council on American-Islamic Relations
    453 New Jersey Avenue, S.E.
    Washington, DC 20003

    Tel: 202-488-8787
    Fax: 202-488-0833
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    salaam,
    no for the most part my situation isnt that serious... certainly not one for the police... im from a rural midwestern farming community where ignorance abounds!..lol... i was very much hated for converting to islam in a place where every practically every family has a son in the war. However, I have moved to the city where I can live more peacefully and be near a mosque... I just dont much like the city....make sense? I'm really ok....please dont worry....
    salaam
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    I hope this will be of benefit

    The Meaning and Ruling of Hijrah

    AUTHOR: Shaikh Ahmad bin Yahyaa An-Najmee
    SOURCE: His explanation of Thalathat-ul-Usool
    PRODUCED BY: Al-Ibaanah.com

    In his explanation of “The Three Fundamental Principles” of Imaam Muhammad bin ‘Abdil-Wahhaab, Shaikh Ahmad An-Najmee said:

    The definition of Hijrah is: To abandon the Land of Shirk, i.e. to leave it, and to come to a Land of Islaam. This is since the word Hijrah is derived from the root hajr which means to abandon or leave off. The Muslims were commanded to abandon the Land of Shirk and go to the Land of Islaam. The ruling on Hijrah is that it is obligatory for the one who is able to do it. This is why Allaah informs us that there will be a group of people whom the angels will take in death while they are wronging themselves due to their lack of migrating and their preferring the Land of Shirk.

    Allaah says: “Verily, as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they are wronging themselves (by not performing Hijrah), they (angels) will say (to them): ‘In what (condition) were you?’ They will reply: ‘We were weak and oppressed in the earth.’ They (angels) will say: ‘Was not the earth of Allaah spacious enough for you to migrate therein?’ Such men will find their abode in Hell – what an evil destination! Except the weak ones among men, women and children – who cannot devise a plan, nor are they able to direct their way. These are the ones whom Allaah is (most) likely to forgive, and Allaah is Ever Oft-Pardoning, Most Forgiving.” [Surah An-Nisaa: 97-99]

    And He says: “O My servants who believe (in Me)! Verily, My earth is spacious so to Me alone, perform your worship.” [Surah Al-‘Ankaboot: 56]

    Al-Baghawee, may Allaah have mercy on him, said: “The reason for the revelation of this ayah was due to some Muslims who had resided in Makkah and did not migrate (to Madeenah). Allaah called out to them using the title of Eemaan (for them).”

    We derive from these verses that Hijrah is obligatory on the one who is able to do it, which requires him to move from a Land of Disbelief to a Land of Islaam. This is since in a Land of Disbelief, the believer is exposed to harm and the government will be against him as opposed to in his favor. Even though he may be safe from harm, he will still not be safe from having to seek judgement in laws that are not from Allaah’s Legislation, such as man-made laws, which they use to govern the people.

    However, Hijrah in our present time must only be done with the permission from the country that one is migrating to. So if the country refuses to accept this emigrant, then he has no ability or power in the matter except by Allaah’s leave.

    Things used to be easy (in the old days). But as for today, there is difficulty in Hijrah either from the side of the country that one is migrating from or from the side of the country that one is migrating to. So whoever is able to make Hijrah, with ease and no difficulty, to a Land of Islaam, then such a person is obligated to do that. Furthermore, some of the Muslim countries today apply strict measures against those who adhere to the Religion of Allaah in everything that he brings and leaves behind.

    In summary, any Muslim that lives in a country, which the disbelievers rule based on man-made laws, must migrate from it if he is easily able to do it. And if it is not easy for him, then according to what is apparent (from the texts), he is excused due to Allaah’s saying: “Allaah does not burden a soul with more than it can handle.” [Surah Al-Baqarah: 286]. And with Allaah lies the success.

    Published: February 16, 2006
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    Some Statements of the Scholars regarding Hijrah (Part 1)

    Here is another artical about Hijrah

    Some Statements of the Scholars regarding Hijrah (Part 1)

    AUTHOR: Husayn Al-'Awaayishah
    SOURCE: His book Al-Fasl-ul-Mubeen fee Mas'alat-il-Hijrah wa Mufaaraqat-il-Mushrikeen
    PRODUCED BY: Al-Ibaanah.com

    Chapter Six: Some Statements of the Scholars regarding Hijrah (Part 1)

    Know, may Allaah have mercy on me and you, that there are many statements of the scholars [1] regarding the obligation of Hijrah on the person that:

    1. Has the ability to make Hijrah,
    2. Fears from fitnah, and
    3. Does not have the ability to openly manifest his Religion amongst the disbelievers.

    I will only mention those statements that I am able to. And I will also mention what I can from the statements of those (scholars) who viewed that Hijrah was recommended for the individual that:

    1. Has the ability to make Hijrah, but
    2. Also has the ability to openly manifest his Religion amongst the disbelievers.

    The opinion of the majority of the scholars concerning Hijrah:

    The great scholar Abu At-Tayyib Sideeq Ibn Hasan Ibn ‘Alee Al-Husaynee Al-Qinnawjee Al-Bukhaaree said in his book Al-‘Ibrah: "Al-Mawza'ee [2] said in Tayseer-ul-Bayaan [3]: ‘The majority of the scholars have stated that performing Hijrah (migrating) from the Lands of Harb to the Lands of Islaam is obligatory. This ruling applies to a person that is not able to openly manifest his Religion. It is not obligatory on a person that is able to do that (manifest his Religion), whether through his relatives or through the leadership, just as it was permitted for 'Abbaas (radyAllaahu ‘anhu) [to remain in Makkah]. However, performing Hijrah is much more preferable. This is how the ruling concerning Hijrah is in our time - it is obligatory on an individual that does not have the ability to manifest his Religion outwardly, and it is recommended for someone that does have the ability to manifest it outwardly. Innovations take the same status as disbelief, with regard to the obligation or recommendation of performing Hijrah. As for the remaining types of sins, then it is recommended that one perform Hijrah from them. In spite of this, Hijrah is not obligatory upon him for that purpose solely, unless the unlawful threatens to overtake him, for indeed seeking the lawful (halaal) is an obligation." [4]

    Imaam As-Sana’aanee said in Subul-us-Salaam after mentioning the hadeeth: "I am free from every Muslim that establishes his residence amongst the disbelievers": "The hadeeth is evidence for the obligation of making Hijrah (migration) from all of the lands of the disbelievers, and not just from Makkah. This is the opinion of the majority of the scholars."[5]

    Abu Bakr Muhammad Ibn ‘Abdillaah, better known as "Ibn Al-‘Arabee" (d. 543H), said concerning Hijrah [6]: "It is divided into six categories:

    The First: Leaving from the Land of War (Daar-ul-Harb) to the Land of Islaam.

    The Second: Leaving from the land of innovation. Ibn Al-Qaasim said: ‘I heard Imaam Maalik say: ‘It is not permissible for anyone to reside in a land where the Salaf (predecessors) are reviled.’ This is correct, for if one is not able to change an evil, he must withdraw himself away from it. Allaah says: ‘And when you see those who engage in false conversation concerning Our Ayaat, by mocking at them, then stay away from them until they change their speech to another topic. But if the Devil causes you to forget, then after remembering, do not sit in the company of those who are wrong-doers.' [Surat-ul-Ana’aam: 68] I once said to my Shaikh, the ascetic Abu Bakr Al-Fahree: ‘Why don’t you migrate from this land of Egypt to your own country?’ So he responded: ‘I do not like to enter a land in which ignorance is vastly predominant and intelligence is minimal.’ I said: ‘Then go to Makkah and establish residence in the proximity of Allaah and His Messenger, for I have come to learn that leaving this country is obligatory due to the innovation and haraam that exists in it.' He then said: 'There is much guidance and direction for the creatures, that lies in my hands, in this land, as well as teaching Tawheed, restraining others from deviant beliefs and supplicating to Allaah, the Most High.’

    The Third: Leaving from the land in which the unlawful is dominant and widespread, for indeed seeking the lawful is obligatory upon every Muslim.

    The Fourth: Fleeing from those things that are harmful to one's body. This is a bounty from Allaah in which He has given us an allowance. So if a person fears danger for himself by staying in a place, then Allaah has permitted him to leave from it and to flee for his life’s sake, in order to free himself from that danger. [7]

    The Fifth: Leaving for fear of getting sick in a land that has an unhealthy atmosphere and coming out from there to a land in which one can walk freely outside (without getting sick).

    The Sixth: Fleeing from a land out of fear of harm being inflicted to one's wealth. Indeed, the sacredness of a Muslim's property is like the sacredness of his blood. And his family is equal in that respect, if not greater." [8]

    Ibn Qudaamah Al-Maqdisee (d. 630H) said: "People are divided into three categories with regard to Hijrah:

    The First: This includes the one who it is obligatory upon and he is the one that has the ability to do it (i.e. perform Hijrah) while not being able to manifest his Religion in that land. Nor is he able to establish the obligatory requisites of his Religion due to his position of being in the midst of the disbelievers. This type of individual is obligated to make Hijrah due to Allaah statement: 'Verily, as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they are wronging themselves, they (angels) say (to them): In what (condition) were you? They will reply: We were weak and oppressed on the earth. They (angels) will say: Was not the earth of Allaah spacious enough for you to migrate therein? Such men will find their abode in Hell - what an evil destination!' [Surat-un-Nisaa: 97] The severe threat that is mentioned in this ayah is proof for the obligation (of Hijrah). Also, establishing the obligatory aspects of one's Religion is an obligation in itself, for the one who is able to do that. And Hijrah is from the prerequisites of the obligatory and it is that which makes it complete. And whatever is essential for the completion of an obligation becomes obligatory in itself.

    The Second: The one who is not obligated to make Hijrah. This is the one who has difficulty in doing it, whether it is due to a sickness, his being forced to keep his residence, or a weakness, as is the case with women, children and their likes. Hijrah is not obligatory upon this type of individual due to Allaah's statement: 'Except the weak ones among men, women and children who cannot devise a plan, nor are they able to direct their way. These are the ones whom Allaah is (most) likely to forgive, and Allaah is Ever Oft-Pardoning, Most Forgiving.' [9] And it is not described as being recommended because the one in this category is not able to do it.

    The Third: The one who is recommended to do it, even though it is not obligatory upon him. He is the one who has the ability to make Hijrah, but yet he is also able to outwardly manifest his Religion while establishing his residence in the Land of Kufr. Thus it is recommended for him (to migrate to the believers), so that he may fight in Jihaad alongside them, add to the Muslim population and so that he can assist and support them. It is also so that he can free himself from adding to the population of the disbelievers, interacting with them and seeing the evil that occurs amongst them. Hijrah is not obligatory on him due to his ability to establish the obligatory aspects of his Religion, without having to migrate. This was the case with Al-'Abbaas (radyAllaahu ‘anhu), the paternal uncle of the Prophet (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam), who used to reside in Makkah while he was Muslim." [10]

    Imaam Majd-ud-Deen Abul-Barakaat (d. 652H) said in his book Al-Muharrir:
    "Migrating from the Land of War (Daar-ul-Harb) is recommended for a person that is able to openly display his Religion while residing in a Land of Kufr." [11]

    Imaam Muhammad Ibn Ahmad Al-Ansaaree Al-Qurtubee (d. 671H) said after quoting Allaah's saying: "And whosoever migrates in the Way of Allaah, he will find many dwelling places and plenty (of sustenance) to live by": "Maalik said: 'This ayah indicates that it is not (permissible) for anyone to reside in a land in which the Salaf are reviled and abused, without due right.'" [12]

    Imaam An-Nawawee (d. 676H) said:
    "If it is the case that a Muslim is weak whilst residing in a Land of Kufr and he is not able to outwardly display and exercise his Religion, then it is forbidden for him to take residence there. In fact, he is obligated to migrate to a Land of Islaam. And if he is not able to do so, then he is excused until he attains the ability." [13]

    The following occurs in the Majmoo'-ul-Fataawaa of Shaikh-ul-Islaam Ibn Taimiyyah (d. 728H), where he (rahimahullaah) was asked on the land of Maarideen:

    “Is this a land at war with the Muslims or at peace with them? And is it obligatory for the Muslim who resides there to perform Hijrah from there to a Muslim land or not? If he is obligated to perform Hijrah, yet doesn’t migrate, and he assists the enemies of the Muslims with his body and his wealth, is he sinning by doing that? Is a person that accuses him of hypocrisy and who reviles him sinning or not?"

    So he (rahimahullaah) responded:
    "All praise is due to Allaah. The blood and property of a Muslim are forbidden (i.e. for other Muslims to abuse), even if they reside in Maarideen or elsewhere. Likewise supporting those who are outside the fold of the Religion of Islaam is forbidden, regardless if they are inhabitants of Maarideen or elsewhere. As for the one who resides there, if he has difficulty in establishing the application of his Religion, then he is obligated to make Hijrah from there. And if it is not this way, then it is recommended for him and not obligatory." [14]

    Al-Haafidh Ibn Hajr (d. 852H) (rahimahullaah) said in Al-Fath commenting on the hadeeth: "There is no (more) Hijrah after the Conquest": "So whoever resides there, [15] from the Muslims, then he falls into either one of the following three categories:

    The First: He has the ability to migrate from there. And he cannot openly display his Religion nor can he perform his obligatory duties. So making Hijrah from this land is obligatory on him.

    The Second: He is able to make Hijrah, however, he also has the ability to openly demonstrate his Religion and fulfill his religious obligations. In this case, it is recommended for him to make Hijrah, since he will be increasing the number of Muslims in the land he migrates to, he will be assisting them and he will be able to make Jihaad against the disbelievers. Likewise, he will be safe from the betrayal and treachery of the disbelievers and he will free himself from seeing the evil that occurs amongst them.

    The Third: He doesn't have the ability to perform Hijrah. Thus he has an excuse for not migrating. Examples of this category are people such as those who are imprisoned or sick or other than that. In this case, his residing in that land is permitted. And if he encourages and forces himself to leave from there, then he will be rewarded." [16]

    The great scholar 'Alaa-ud-Deen Abul-Hasan 'Alee Ibn Sulaymaan Al-Mardaawee [17] (d. 885H) said: "Hijrah is obligatory on the one who is not able to openly display his Religion in a Land of War (Daar-ul-Harb), without any disagreement. A Land of War (Daar-ul-Harb) is any land in which the laws of the disbelievers are superior. Some scholars, such as the author of Ar-Ri'aayatain and Al-Hawaayatain, have added to this by stating that it includes any land that has an oppressive ruler governing it or any land of innovation (bid'ah), such as that which contains Raafidah and Mu'tazilah ideologies. I say that this is what is most correct. And this (obligation) is restricted to only the one who has the ability to do it (i.e. perform Hijrah). So if he is able to do it, then Hijrah is obligatory on him." [18]

    Then he (rahimahullaah) said commenting on the phrase: "It is (only) recommended for the one who has the ability to do it (i.e. openly manifest and practice his Religion in that land)":

    "This is the opinion that a majority of the scholars adhere to and it is that which has been absolutely asserted in the books Al-Hidaayah, Al-Mudhahhab, Masbook-udh-Dhahab, Al-Khulaasah, Al-Mughnee, Ash-Sharh, Al-Muharrir, Al-Wajeez and others. And it has been mentioned in the introduction of Al-Furoo' and other books. However Ibn Al-Jawzee said that it was obligatory on him." [19]

    The great scholar Al-Manaawee (d. 1031H) mentioned the words of Al-Haafidh Ibn Hajr, while agreeing with them and he did not mention any statements that opposed or rejected them. [20]

    Imaam Mar'ee Ibn Yoosuf Al-Karmee (d. 1033H) said in Daleel-ut-Taalib:
    "Hijrah is obligatory upon every individual that is not able to openly display his Religion in a place in which the laws of the disbelievers or misguided innovations are superior. But if he is able to openly practice and exercise his Religion, then it is (just) recommended." [21]

    The great scholar Mansoor Ibn Yoonus Ibn Idrees Al-Buhwatee (d. 1051H), the legal jurist of the Hanbalee school of thought in his time, said: "Hijrah is obligatory on a person that is not capable of openly demonstrating and exercising his Religion in an area in which the laws of disbelief are dominant and superior, or in which the laws of misguided innovations are dominant, such as that of the Mu'tazilah. Hijrah, meaning leaving from that land to go to the land of Islaam and the Sunnah, must be performed. This is due to Allaah's statement: 'Verily, as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they are wronging themselves, they (angels) will say: In what (condition) were you? They will reply: We were weak and oppressed in the earth. They (angels) will say: Was not the earth of Allaah spacious enough for you to migrate therein?'

    Also the Prophet (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said, 'I am free from every Muslim that establishes his residence amongst the disbelievers. Their two (camp) fires should not be visible to one another.' Abu Dawood and At-Tirmidhee reported this hadeeth and its understanding is: that one should not remain in an area filled with evil sinning people. Hijrah is recommended for the one who has the ability to openly display and exercise his Religion, while in the regions of a disbelieving land. This (recommendation) is in order that he may extract himself from adding numbers to the ranks of the disbelievers and so that he can be able to make Jihaad against them." [22]

    The great scholar Imaam Ash-Shawkaanee (d. 1255H) said:
    "If the main point of benefit (in this hadeeth) is the obligation of migrating from the Land of Kufr, then (know that) this obligation is not limited to just the Land of Kufr. Rather, this obligation of Hijrah is an instituted legislation and an established Sunnah. It is to be implemented when evil is openly proclaimed, when there is a lack of ability to stand up to enjoin the good and forbid the evil, and when there is a lack of people that are able to take away what is in the hands of those who consume the things that Allaah has made unlawful.

    So it is an obligation upon the believer to save his soul and flee for the sake of his Religion, if he has the ability to do that. And he must look for a land that is void of the open manifestation of disobedience to Allaah, and (a land) that will result in no evil befalling him. If he cannot find such a place, then he is not able to do any better than what he is able to do. He must, however, enjoin the good and forbid the evil with his hand. And if he cannot do so, then with his tongue and if he cannot do that, then with his heart, as the most truthful of people (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) has advised us to do. And if he is able to isolate himself by closing his door and placing a barrier between himself and the evil-doers, then this is from the least of matters that is binding upon him." [23]

    He (rahimahullaah) also said:
    "If the open manifestation of disobedience found in another land is less than that found in his own land, that land becomes a prospective place for him to perform Hijrah to."

    Then he (rahimahullaah) commented on the words of Al-Mahdee (rahimahullaah) "except for a beneficial reason", by saying: "Its meaning is apparent in that if the 'beneficial reason' is so that one can benefit a group of Muslims, so that they may remain victorious, such as by his participating in some events of enjoining good and forbidding evil or by his teaching the people the characteristics of good. If it is such that these things outweigh the benefit of him making Hijrah and fleeing for the sake of His Religion, then indeed (at that point) he is obligated to abandon Hijrah, in compliance with this legitimate beneficial reason." [24]

    Some comments on these last words of Ash-Shawkaanee (rahimahullaah):

    1. Ash-Shawkaanee, in his commentary and compliance with the statement of Al-Mahdee, does not mention that this view applies to all of the Muslims, since it is obligatory upon everyone that is not able to openly manifest his Religion amidst the disbelievers to migrate. Rather, what he states here, is directed for a specific group of people and a particular party from amongst the Muslims, who possess a strong foundation in the practice of their Religion, their calling (da'wah) towards it and their knowledge of its affairs. This is why the conditions of enjoining good and forbidding evil and teaching the characteristics of good were mentioned.

    2. These people will naturally serve to assist those that have difficulty in making Hijrah as well as those who are not obligated to migrate.

    3. If this (view) is realized by being put into practice practically, and not theoretically, then indeed there is soundness to this view with regard to leaving off Hijrah. This is contrary to what has been stated by Al-Wanshareeshee (rahimahullaah) in his essay, which I have included separately in this research, as shall soon follow, with the Will of Allaah.

    4. This opinion is one of the two opinions of Ash-Shawkaanee (rahimahullaah) for he has stated something contradictory to it in Nail-ul-Awtaar, in his refutation of Al-Maawiridee’s (rahimahullaah) statement:

    "If one is able to openly manifest his Religion in one of the Lands of Kufr, then this land becomes a 'Land of Islaam' due to it.[25] Thus, taking residence in that land is better than leaving it for another, due to what can be expected from his causing others to enter into the fold of Islaam."

    Ash-Shawkaanee refutes him by saying:
    "And it is not hidden what is in this opinion from its conflicting with the ahaadeeth of the previous chapter, which indicate the forbiddance of residing in the 'Land of Kufr'." [26]

    A summary of Ash-Shawkaanee's words:

    In this fatwa (ruling) there is room for ijtihaad (further investigation) as well as a vast amount of discussion left to this matter. This (fatwa) does not apply to every Muslim, but rather to an exclusive group among them that consist of members that are strong in their Religion, knowledge and calling. And who can serve those that are not obligated to perform Hijrah or those that do not have the ability to do it. However, when any of these individuals is engulfed by or he fears the occurrence of affliction in his Religion, then indeed, he becomes obligated to make Hijrah from the Land of Kufr.

    Ash-Shawkaanee (rahimahullaah) also said:
    "Chapter: The permanence of performing Hijrah from the Land of War to the Land of Islaam: It has been related in Al-Bahr that migrating from the Land of Kufr is obligatory, according to the consensus of the scholars. This is such that if it is not done, it would be an encouragement to commit disobedience by doing the unlawful or abandoning the obligatory. Or the leader (Imaam) can seek it in order to strengthen his authority." [27]
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    as salaamu alaykm wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh
    So, mrmuslim is what you are saying is that there is no such thing in this day and age as a truly Islamic country?? and if your saying this then why? From what I'm getting at least in the news is that at least in the east most countries follow sharia law, that there are mosques everywhere and that you all get to go to mosque all the time and that prayer for the muslim is in the very least mandatory and that most what are considered today islamic countries are pretty good about following sharia law. Am I simply misinformed on all this? To be honest I've been thinking it would be sooo cool to go to these countries because they actually follow islam enmasse so to speak. And im not so stupid as to think everyone in these countries is a good muslim but perhaps thinking that at least a good portion is.
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    walikom salaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh
    first of all I am not in the east or Islamic country, even though I lived in couple of them, and I would like to live in Islamic country but I wish they follow shariah law in every thing....there is nt one single country now days follow the shariah as it should be. so i am not saying its that bad but I dont want people thing in west think that every body back in Islamic countries following the shariah. then when they go there they find it different. There is a lot of goodness out there and mashallah people are coming back to the basics of our deen.

    I am not saying its bad to go to Islamic countries Yes the people surronding you are Muslim and you get more comfort between them and the mosques are every where. and YES they say they follow shariah law BUT NOT in every matter. I wont name any country but non of the countries follow shariah and if they do it might be in there internal affair while external matter Non follow's the shariah.

    Yes we can enjoy the surronding of family and Muslims but you cant speak out against a lot of things, you can not say to any body in good position YOU ARE WRONG. or you will be in Khabr Kaan (you will be a matter of a pasttenss) just for saying that you cant speak out.

    Yes as long as you go to the mosque and to your work and back home and dont worry about other yes you can live there. DONT take me wrong life isnt bad back in East but I know a lot of families (Arab) who moved back to thier country and now they are back to U.S just wonder why?

    wa salaam alikom
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    Brother you need to stop critizing the muslim lands and there rulers, if you think the situation is so bad then make dua that Allah guides them and rectifies their situation but by talk bad about them that will not bring about any change. The way of the people of the sunna is to not critizes the muslim ruler even if he is a open sinner so make dua. And if the sister feels she has the ability to make hijr which is a cammand from Allah for those who are able then do not stand in the way by bring up the bad about the muslim countries. No matter how bad you think it is, it is still better then living in the land of the kufar. Even if you feel that living in this land will not effect you think about your future, do you really want to raise your kids in these lands. You are a shephered and you will be held accountable. The other benefits of living in the muslim lands is that you learn arabic which is what you need to truly understand your religion, and it would be the first language of your children, so they can have a good understaning of the religion from a young age, you can always pray on time and for the men you can allways pray in the masjid. I know for sure Saudi Arabia follows the sharia so don't say non of the countries do and even the countries that you feel do not the ruler of the land is still muslim and most of the people living there are muslim the adhan can be heard five times a day the land is muslim owned making it a muslim land. Know compare that to living in the lands of the kufar, what will you say they atleased have freedome of speech, is there real freedom of speech and is there real benefit in freedom of speech when anyone can mock the religion of Allah. Where the homosexuals can say what they want and as soon as someone says something about them it is against the human rights code, and were every Joe has his own Philosaphy on life. And again think about your childern espcailly once they are in their teens and you can not always keep an eye on what they do and we see everday how many of the muslim youth who have been corrupted in these lands and the corruption has spread to even the land of the muslims but it started here in these lands. So if the sister feels she can make hijra do not be the one to stand in the way. If she wants to save herself and her family or future family inshallah. This is my advice. If you are able to live the land of the kufar, the land of shirk to one of the lands of tawheed then leave and Allah will provide and inshallah be pleased with you.

    “O My servants who believe (in Me)! Verily, My earth is spacious so to Me alone, perform your worship.” [Surah Al-‘Ankaboot: 56]

    Verily, as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they are wronging themselves (by not performing Hijrah), they (angels) will say (to them): ‘In what (condition) were you?’ They will reply: ‘We were weak and oppressed in the earth.’ They (angels) will say: ‘Was not the earth of Allaah spacious enough for you to migrate therein?’ Such men will find their abode in Hell – what an evil destination! Except the weak ones among men, women and children – who cannot devise a plan, nor are they able to direct their way. These are the ones whom Allaah is (most) likely to forgive, and Allaah is Ever Oft-Pardoning, Most Forgiving.” [Surah An-Nisaa: 97-99]
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    Brother mrmuslim the muslim families that moved to the east and came back first are they practising the deen the way they should or are they more intrested in dunya issues. The other thing is people tend to try to critizes anything which is wrong in the muslim lands but over look the things in the lands of the kufar because they expected it to be that way but know that the people in the muslim lands are also human and some people are good while others are not. Allah also tells us many times in the Quran to be pateint and not haste. If you see some hardship in the lands of the muslims be pateint and make dua and remeber you are not doing hijra for anyone but Allah. So before making hira physical from the kufar make it mentaly by busying yourself with obidence to Allah and make your hijra with the correct intentions.

    On the authority of Abu Hafs Umar bin al-Khattab (radiyllahu anu) who said: I heard the messenger of Allah :saw2: saying: The rewards of deeds depend upon the intentions and every person will get the reward according to what he has intended. Thus he whose migration (hijra) was for Allah and his messenger, his migration was for Allah and his messenger and he whoes migration (hijra) was to achieve some worldly benefit or to take some woman in marriage, his migration was for that for which he migrated.

    related by al-Bukhari and Muslim in there two sahihs and can be found in 40 hadith an-Nawawi
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    If I have come off as being harsh or offened any of the brothers and sisters that was not my intention
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    salaam alikom

    Who said you can not critize the Muslim rulers, the prophet peace be up on him said
    أفضل الجهاد كلمة حق عند سلطان جائر
    The best kind of jihad is the word of right at the tyrannical ruler (the oppressive government) I am not saying fight them or start causing trouble but nothing wrong in saying whats bad in our Islamic countries.
    The probelm is we as Muslim try to hide our mistakes and things happenes in Islamic countries, Islamic countries are not perfect just because they are Muslim.
    Ofcourse we need to make duaa for Muslim Ummah to unite and may Allah guide us to this path and this include our rulers they are Muslim and Human. no one is perfect in this world But I disagree with you that you dont have to critize the Muslim ruler he is not a prophet that you can not critize him. If they do wrong things you need to advise them and if they dont listen you let the people know about what wrong they doing.. and Nothing wrong with that.

    A man from the Copts(1) came to Omar ibn al-Khattab(2) in Al-Madinah(3), and said, “O Commander of the Faithful! I seek refuge in you from oppression.” Omar replied, “You have sought refuge where it is to be sought.” The Egyptian said, “I was racing the son of `Amr ibn al-`Aas(4), and defeated him. Then he began to beat me with a whip saying: I am the Son of Nobles!”
    So Omar wrote to `Amr commanding him to appear before him with his son. So they appeared before him. Omar inquired, “Where is the Egyptian? He is to take the whip and beat him!” Then the Egyptian began to beat the son of `Amr with the whip as `Umar said to him, “Beat the Son of Nobles!”
    Anas said, “So he beat him. I swear by Allah, as he was beating him we pitied his wailing. He did not desist until we stopped him.”
    Then Omar said to the Egyptian, “Now beat the whip upon `Amr’s bald head!” He replied, “O Commander of the Faithful! For it was his son who beat me, and I have evened the score with him.”
    Upon this Omar said to `Amr, “Since when do you enslave the people when their mothers bore them as free men?” He said, “O Commander of the Faithful! I was unaware of this, and he did not come to me (for justice


    the above situation is exactly whats going on in our Ummah.
    and if you read carfully what i said in my previous post I said I wish I can go and live in Islamic country, and i didnt discourge the sister from moving if she can move ofcourse it will be good for her BUT I just mentioned the reality in our Islamic country, I dont think anything wrong for her to know about situations there.
    And I SAID, people in Islamic countries are good and the enviroment is better than in the west, culture wise and Islamically. but not everything is perfect in Islamic countries. if people thinks that by just moving to an Islamic country all the problem will get solved then they need to rethink.

    and Ya akhee the people we calling them as ( non muslim) they are the one who becoming Muslim and want to move to Islamic land,
    I want you to ask this question why a lot of Muslims MOVED from Islamic countries to the west ? or answer it for me please.

    you said: I know for sure Saudi Arabia follows the sharia so don't say non of the countries do and even the countries that you feel do not the ruler of the land is still muslim and most of the people living there are muslim

    I didnt want to bring up any names of countries but since you mentioned it I will say this No they dont follow the Shariah in every aspect of the life yes in internal matter of the country they do but dealing with other countries (External matters) no they dont there are a lot of different rules for Muslim saudi and Non-Saudi Muslims so dont tell me they follow the Islamic shariah in every matter. BUT SAUDI ARABIA IS one of the BEST COUNTRIES in following most of the part of the shariah between common people. but not all the laws are followed on rich people. Yes people are Muslim there no doubt it has the holiest sites of Islam, the situations are much better than other Islamic countries, it has Brakah ( Blessing) in money you gain there, because of the duaa of prophet Ibrahim.
    but that dosnt mean everything is perfect there.

    Yes its better if you can stay in Islamic country and I support it. But that dosnt mean you loss your freedom and cant say things which are with in the limit of the shariah, Islam gave you this right, so why Islamic countries deny it on its people?
    But we as Muslim try to hide our problems instead of solving them.

    If every one start moving to Islamic country who will share the message of mercy of Islam with the people in the west ,The whole world belongs to Allah, and Allah tells us in the Qur'an to move freely in the land.
    but if the environment in which the Muslim finds himself is one which threatens his and his family’s life or religion THEN YES ITS BETTER TO MOVE TO ISLAMIC COUNTRY.

    If all the Muslims should move to Islamic countries tell me which Islamic country willing to take 150 Million Muslim of India, 80 Million Muslim of China?
    tell me any MUSLIM country following shariah willing to do so?
    again IF THE the sister can move to islamic country where she can learn the religion in better way and it will save her from a lot of trouble then YES why not and may Allah support her in this move.

    After all of this If I have the chance to move I will move :) nothing wrong in moving to Islamic country but its not Wajib

    wa salaam alikom
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    Assalam alaikum,

    Firstly, I wish to address ibnAbdullah87, brother I noted that although you are dictating that we should leave non Muslim countries, that you are located in Toronto. If you should leave such countries brother, why are you in a very very non Muslim country? Please brother, cutting and pasting which ever scholar post suites your view is not always wise. I could likewise find many posts learning for myself and when I was studying for my bachelors in Islamic sciences from American Open University.

    Sister seekingtruth2, I consulted several scholars when I was questioning this like you. What I was repeatedly told, was that to immigrate for Allah is indeed a good thing, BUT.... it must be for the right reasons and in sincere faith, not because it sounds "cool". Also, I was told that as brother MrMuslim told you, the world belongs to Allah, and ALL countries belong to him. I am also from the midwest originally. I immigrated sister, not from my country, but away from my home and family to a community with a mosque and Muslim community. That was a sacrifice for the sake of Allah too sister. There are about 6 million Muslims in the USA sister. There are more coming to Islam and being born into Islam every day here. The scholors always told me, life in a foreign country would be difficult for me. They also told me that where in the world, if not in my country, would Islam need to be represented? I was told many times that I am needed here, to guide others, to help teach and to show the world Islam by setting example.

    Historically, for those of you who are debating this, remember, when the Prophet"s companions migrated for the sake of Allah, they did NOT migrate TO Islam countries, but AWAY from them so that they might help Islam grow and spread the words of Allah to the non believers. They suffered, were tortured, and killed for the sake of Allah and many spent years away from their wives and children to establish Islam for the sake of Allah.

    NO sisters should blindly move away from their western lifestyles unless they have established places to go, have a means of support and clear protection for themselves.

    NO sisters should run off to a foreign country and marry a stranger that they know nothing about and have not had their families check out fully.

    NO sisters should be travelling to countries where they will be alone, unescourted without the benefits of a wali to protect their well-being.

    Allah never seeks for our lives to be hard. Those women that have children, do you really believe that ALLAH, the MOST Beneficient, the MOST Merciful, would ask the women to leave behind and abandon their children to go to a foreign land where they will likely be subject to harsh laws that govern women? No home, no profeciency of language, no knowledge of the laws governing women, no means of financial support in perhaps a country where most women do not work outside the home, no family to protect them and many other "DANGERS" to the women in countries where today, many people are seeking out westerners to kidnap kill or abuse. Allah does not tell us to send out women into danger but tells Muslim men that they are the protectors of women. I stongly heed caution to brothers who advise sisters to move to islamic countries without the true guidance on the behalf of a sister from a qualified scholar to that sister directly once he has been given full knowledge of the sisters personal situation.( personally, a move away from the USA would almost be a guaranteed death sentence for me because of my health and need of medical care and my age, inability to start over in a new career, and I now have small children that need me too. As a Muslim writer, I am more able to serve Allah here too, by teaching people here and helping to remove false impressions of Islam to non Muslims)

    Please sister, you need to ask a scholar on your own particular case. There are always considerations on each person. Are you prepared to leave your children? Do you have health concerns that moving to a land with less than top of the line medical care would endanger your health? Do you have elderly parents that you should be close to and do your duty as a daughter to care for them? Remember, Islam gives women certain roles and duties. Can you move away from your country and still fulfill those duties?

    Brothers and sisters, sometimes to please Allah there are sacrifices that must be made. Sometimes, that sacrifice may mean having to remain in a country where it is harder to live and remain pure in your Islam. Non Muslim countries need good examples of what Islam is and should be beyond the views that the media is giving them today. Think carefully before you make that "cool" move. Maybe Allah opened so many western hearts to Islam for a reason, maybe he WANTS more Muslims in the west to guide the non believers to HIM.

    In the end, judgement is only for ALLAH, It is not for men to declare another a sinner without clear guidance from Allah. We are all only human and only able to try our best to translate the meaning of the Quran. Only the Prophet had the direct guidance and true answers. Each of us must judge our own cases, make Istikarah for Allahs guidance, and then pray that we make the right choices. Ask not just one scholar. Ask several. Don't just surf the net for Islamic sites and trust the first ones that you find. Allah alone knows what is best for us.
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    Assalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wabaraktuh,

    I agree with my sister nightwind on many different things which are mentioned by her, but i differ also with her on some statements that she has made. By the way my brother ibn Abdullah has mentioned also many statements of the Scholars. So before we say something we have to read Carefully what they have said. We have to read this very carefully to understand. One of statements of one of the scholars ( which is mentioned by brother Ibn abdullah) is the staments of Schaick ahmad ibn yahya anajmie: " Things used to be easy (in the old days). But as for today, there is difficulty in Hijrah either from the side of the country that one is migrating from or from the side of the country that one is migrating to. So whoever is able to make Hijrah, with ease and no difficulty, to a Land of Islaam, then such a person is obligated to do that. ". So if someone who cann't leave because of some problems Like healthproblems, torture of woman in muslim country:) , kidnapping :) etc... which are mentioned By our sister nightwinds than there is no obligation to make Hijra. But we have to be openminded. I know many islamic countries in which the woman will not be tortured or kidnapped and many healthproblems will be solved. They have the same medicaments like the countries of the west. So I agree with my dear sister nightwind to ask scholars on your own particular case.
    Dear sister You have talked about the Shaba ( companions of the prophet). You said they didn't migrate to an islamic country but to a non-islamic country. There were no islamic countries, so they couldn't make Hijra to an islamic country. It was easier to migrate to a non-islamic country which was not harsh to them. The polytheists in Mekka were very harsh to them. They killed, tortured the muslims in those days.
    And also like i said before and also what my brother Ib Abdullah has mentioned, is that we have to think deeply about our kids. How do we want them to grow. Think about the influences of the west on your Kids. It can be that you have many Knowledge and can preach beautifully, but don't think that the influences are small. They will go to school and meet other non-muslims. They will meet non-muslim teachers. Music, homosexuality, girlfriends, alcohol etc etc... I want you to think deeply. I beg Allah to make the muslims strong ans give them the ability to think carefully and to take the right decisions ,amien.

    Also read the statements of other scholars carefully which are mentioned by brother ibn abdullah. If someone is not able to practise his deen ( religion ) then it will be compulsory to him to leave. Because Deen is the most important Thing. So think about it.

    May Allah help you all.

    Fi amanillah.

    Wassalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wabaraktuh,

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    salaam alikom

    I just want to add, I dont mean in any way that moving to islamic country is BAD. it has its rewards, and inshallah it will help a Muslim to build up his Iman with the good sroundings, specially if you have kids Allah a3lem, but I met a lot of people who were born and raised here in U.S and mashallah they are one of the best Muslims I met they went through the school here in U.S.

    The guidance is the guidance of Allah who ever he wish guide to the right path. kids will grow up based on what his parents teach him at home if they teach him the right deen while he is a kid inshallah Allah will protect him and guide him.

    if some one want to move forget our opinion and the opinion of the whole thread, just do Salat Istikhara This prayer is for asking guidance from Allah who know the best should be done whenever a Muslim faces an important decision


    Salat Istikhara and its Dua'a and how to perform it

    may allah guide us.
    wa salaam alikom

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