Discussion in 'TurnToIslam Lounge !' started by ibbec, Jan 9, 2012.
As'alaamu Alaikkum bro Ibrahim
1) All martial arts originate from the Budhist religion.
2) Harming yourself and your opponent is haram (if this sport leads to injury).
3) You could utilise this time to study and learn the Holy Qur'an etc
4) Listen to your father than your mother as he is the head of your household.
5) take up sports that are halal if that's what you want to do.
Good luck and may Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala guide you to do good.
The Prophet and sports
The following are some of the sports our prophet salla Allah alaihi wa Salam practiced:
Wrestling. The Prophet wrestled with a number of men, one of whom was Rukanah ibn `Abd Yazid ibn Hashim ibn `Abdul-Muttalib, who lived in Makkah and was a skillful wrestler. People used to come to him from distant territories and challenge him in wrestling. Ibn Ishaq narrated the story of Rukanah: Once the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) met him in one of the mountain paths of Makkah, whereupon he said to him, "O Rukanah! Will not you fear Allah and accept what I am calling you to?" Rukanah replied, "O Muhammad! Do you have a witness to verify your truthfulness?" So the Prophet said, "If I beat you in wrestling, will you believe in Allah and His Messenger?" The man replied, "Yes." The Prophet wrestled him and defeated him. Rukanah was astonished with that, and he asked the Prophet to acquit him of their agreement, which is belief, and to have a rematch. So they had a second and a third rematch where the Prophet also defeated him. Rukanah was astonished and said, "This is very strange indeed!" Then he immediately embraced Islam. Other narrations state that he embraced Islam after the conquest (fath)of Makkah" (Al-Hakim, Abu Dawud, and At-Tirmidhi).
It was reported by Ahmad ibn Hanbal that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) raced `A'ishah and she outran him. Then they had another race where he outran her, whereupon he said, "This time makes up for the other." Some versions of the same hadith mention that his outrunning in the second time was due to the fact that `A'ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) had gained weight.
In Sahih Muslim it is reported that Allah's Messenger said, "Ride horses, for they are the legacy of your father Isma`il (Ishmael)."*
Also, in Sahih Al-Bukhari, the Prophet himself is reported to have participated in a race while riding on his unbeatable she-camel, Al-`Adba'. Once a Bedouin rode a young camel that beat Al-`Adba' in a race. The defeat was hard for the Muslims, so the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "It is Allah's law that He brings down whatever rises high in this world."*
Salamah ibn Al-Akwa` narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) passed by some people of the tribe of Banu Aslam who were practicing archery. The Prophet said, "O children of Ishmael! Practice archery as your father Ishmael was a great archer. Keep on shooting arrows and I am with (the team of) Banu so-and-so." So one of the parties ceased shooting, whereupon the Prophet said, "Why do you not shoot?" They replied, "How should we shoot while you are with them (i.e., on their side)?" On that the Prophet said, "Shoot and I am with all of you" (Al-Bukhari and Muslim).
Swimming. `Ata' ibn Abi Rabah narrated that he saw Jabir ibn `Abdullah and Jabir ibn `Umayr Al-Ansari while they were practicing shooting, but one of them felt bored, so the other said to him, "Do you feel bored? I heard Allah's Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) saying, "All things in which there is no remembrance of Allah are frivolity and idle play except for four things, and he mentioned teaching another to swim" (At-Tabarani). Ibn `Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) said, "Once, `Umar ibn Al-Khattab say to me, 'Let's compete in water and see who can hold his breath under water longer than the other.'"
It feels like I´m meant to do this with the blessings of Allah SWT!
Thanks for the answer sister!
In an authentic hadeeth the prophet peace and blessings be upon him said "A strong believer is better and more beloved to Allah than a weak believer, while there is good in both"
The problem is that some who comment on these issues dont understand martial arts to begin with. And there is a rule in Usool Al Fiqh (Fundementals of Fiqh) which is that "Judging/giving a ruling on something, is a branch from how it is percieved"
So if it is not understood well, the ruling will not have a solid basis.
You're young anyway, and will need to build your base. So even if in doubt, you can start by learning Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (gi and no gi, not just no gi) , and maybe add some wrestling for takedowns. These dont involve striking, and grappling is the backbone of MMA, and its what really takes lots of time to learn.
Grapplers can improve their striking skills fairly quickly vs strikers who want to learn grappling (they'd pretty much have to start from scratch). You'd have a solid base.
Also, from my experience, MANY MMA gyms, teach everything but are Masters at nothing, and basically are in the business to make money. Because when many see MMA fighters they say "Oh I want to do that", so they say "we'll teach you MMA". Its all marketing.
Some might disagree, but I think having a very strong base in Jiu Jitsu and wrestling, is the way to go. Some MMA fighters try to stand up the whole time when fighting a grappler but thats not really practical.
Anyhow, I personally think grappling would be the best way to go, its both safer (not involving strikes) and its what it takes to be a good MMA fighter, but since it takes lots of time most want to skip it. So you have an advantage being young, having time to learn and be really well rounded.
I personally dont understand those who think its not permissable, especially that chances are, they are healtheir, and less prone to bad habits like smoking, or bad eating habits that can lead to diabetes, heart disease, and so on. In addition to the points you mentioned about boxing which makes it much more dangerous than MMA.
By the way theres a VERY good Jiu Jitsu black belt in the US who is not only Muslim but a praticing Muslim upon the Sunnah.
As I would advise my younger brother, just dont let it keep you away from your studies. School comes first, because education is what will guarantee you a reasonably good future insha'Allah. Other routes cannot guarantee you anything. So keep it as a hobby for now, and focus on your studies. You can do both, just dont let your hobby distract you from your education.
And if you do decide on Jiu Jitsu, just find good laid back gyms where theres no real bowing and so on. Most dont involve that (most Brazilians are laid back) anyway unless if the instructor has a Judo background as well.
Please be cautious brother, this is issuing a fatwa which you are not qualified to do.
Yes (it can happen in gi too) and even then the cause wouldnt be BJJ, but it would be refusing to tap. Blaming it on the sport would be like not hitting the breaks, then blaming the car when having an accident. If anyone didnt know what a car is, they'd blame it on driving a car.
As for your previous post, my opinion is that BJJ (gi, because it makes you very technical) + Wrestling (NOT Judo) is the best base to build upon. Explaining why would make this post too long and get us into the history of Valetudo/MMA. But Wrestlers that later on learn BJJ find it hard to get rid of bad habits like giving their backs too easily. BJJ with good wrestling is just perfect.
Theres a brazilian BJJ black belt in FL (Roberto Cyborg Abreu ) who is very technical yet also a wrestling champ in Brazil). Then one can add other striking skills later on. In ADCC championships, 90% of the winners are BJJ people, theres a reason for that. Imagine Marcelo Garcias level of BJJ with really good wrestling take-downs and some good striking.
Anyhow, wish you the best bro... you're most welcome
What is the ruling on playing karate?
Praise be to Allaah.
Karate is one of the martial arts, a form of self-defence using one’s hands, without any kind of weapon. It allows hitting with the foot, fist or edge of the hand, focusing on concentrating all one's energy in that blow.
The shar’i viewpoint of this sport:
The sport includes numerous physical, psychological and mental benefits, and it is in accordance with sharee’ah in some ways, and goes against it in others. Among the ways in which it is in accordance with Islam are:
The concealing garments which cover all the ‘awrah completely. The rules of this sport require wearing covering garments composed of a shirt of thick white cotton, and trousers made of the same material, which have to be wide to allow movement of the legs and feet.
Combatants are forbidden to direct blows that will cause harm to their opponents. The rules of the game dictate that attacks must be restrained, and must not cause harm to one's opponent, unlike the rules of boxing, for example.
But on the other hand this sport is not free of things that go against sharee’ah, such as allowing blows to the face.
In addition, it includes some religious rituals that are derived from local Indian religions, such as the exchange of greetings between the combatants, which take the form of bows that are similar to rukoo’ (the Muslim does not bow to anyone except Allaah), and the exercises such as keeping silent and focusing or meditating, which are derived from the religious rituals of Buddhism, etc. All of these are totally rejected by Islam.
But it is not forbidden to practise this sport once these issues have been eliminated. It is possible to eliminate them on an unofficial level, even if it is not possible to do so on an official and international level. It is not essential to learn these skills at the level of championships and clubs which adhere to these matters and view them as an essential part of the sport which everyone who practises it must adhere to.
From Qadaayaa al-Lahw wa’l-Tarfeeh, p. 369
Source: http://islamqa.com/en/ref/4259/martial arts
Waliekumasslam warahmatullahi wabrakatu,
Ruling on Boxing: http://islamqa.com/en/ref/10427/boxing :fighta:
I dunno about your swimming question but maybe this fatwa answers it, not sure though:
but I think playing soccer, basket ball, hokey, cricket, baseball, badminton,tennis, squash, skating, bicycling, etc is not really a waste of time as a teenager coz some physical exercise is also necessary. Allahualam though, heres a small vid on the topic:
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