Israel's right to be racist

justoneofmillion

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Israel's right to be racist
The matter-of-factness with which the state of Israel claims the right to treat non-Jews as lesser animals is shocking and annuls any move towards peace, writes Joseph Massad*

Israel's struggle for peace is a sincere one. In fact, Israel desires to live at peace not only with its neighbours, but also and especially with its own Palestinian population, and with Palestinians whose lands its military occupies by force. Israel's desire for peace is not only rhetorical but also substantive and deeply psychological. With few exceptions, prominent Zionist leaders since the inception of colonial Zionism have desired to establish peace with the Palestinians and other Arabs whose lands they slated for colonisation and settlement. The only thing Israel has asked for, and continues to ask for in order to end the state of war with the Palestinians and its Arab neighbours, is that all recognise its right to be a racist state that discriminates by law against Palestinians and other Arabs and grants differential legal rights and privileges to its own Jewish citizens and to all other Jews anywhere. The resistance that the Palestinian people and other Arabs have launched against Israel's right to be a racist state is what continues to stand between Israel and the peace for which it has struggled and to which it has been committed for decades. Indeed, this resistance is nothing less than the "New anti- Semitism".

Israel is willing to do anything to convince Palestinians and other Arabs of why it needs and deserves to have the right to be racist. Even at the level of theory, and before it began to realise itself on the ground, the Zionist colonial project sought different means by which it could convince the people whose lands it wanted to steal and against whom it wanted to discriminate to accept as understandable its need to be racist. All it required was that the Palestinians "recognise its right to exist" as a racist state. Military methods were by no means the only persuasive tools available; there were others, including economic and cultural incentives. Zionism from the start offered some Palestinians financial benefits if they would accede to its demand that it should have the right to be racist. Indeed, the State of Israel still does. Many Palestinian officials in the Palestinian Authority and the Palestine Liberation Organisation have been offered and have accepted numerous financial incentives to recognise this crucial Israeli need. Those among the Palestinians who regrettably continue to resist are being penalised for their intransigence by economic choking and starvation, supplemented by regular bombardment and raids, as well as international isolation. These persuasive methods, Israel hopes, will finally convince a recalcitrant population to recognise the dire need of Israel to be a racist state. After all, Israeli racism only manifests in its flag, its national anthem, and a bunch of laws that are necessary to safeguard Jewish privilege, including the Law of Return (1950), the Law of Absentee Property (1950), the Law of the State's Property (1951), the Law of Citizenship (1952), the Status Law (1952), the Israel Lands Administration Law (1960), the Construction and Building Law (1965), and the 2002 temporary law banning marriage between Israelis and Palestinians of the occupied territories.

Let us start with why Israel and Zionism need to ensure that Israel remains a racist state by law and why it deserves to have that right. The rationale is primarily threefold and is based on the following claims.

Jews are always in danger out in the wide world; only in a state that privileges them racially and religiously can they be safe from gentile oppression and can prosper. If Israel removed its racist laws and symbols and became a non-racist democratic state, Jews would cease to be a majority and would be like Diaspora Jews, a minority in a non-Jewish state. These concerns are stated clearly by Israeli leaders individually and collectively. Shimon Peres, for example, the dove of official Israel, has been worried for some time about the Palestinian demographic "danger", as the Green Line, which separates Israel from the West Bank, is beginning to "disappear ... which may lead to the linking of the futures of West Bank Palestinians with Israeli Arabs". He hoped that the arrival of 100,000 Jews in Israel would postpone this demographic "danger" for 10 more years, as ultimately, he stressed, "demography will defeat geography".

In December 2000, the Institute of Policy and Strategy at the Herzliya Interdisciplinary Centre in Israel held its first of a projected series of annual conferences dealing with the strength and security of Israel, especially with regards to maintaining Jewish demographic majority. Israel's president and current and former prime ministers and cabinet ministers were all in attendance. One of the "Main Points" identified in the 52-page conference report is concern over the numbers needed to maintain Jewish demographic and political supremacy of Israel: "The high birth rate [of 'Israeli Arabs'] brings into question the future of Israel as a Jewish state ... The present demographic trends, should they continue, challenge the future of Israel as a Jewish state. Israel has two alternative strategies: adaptation or containment. The latter requires a long-term energetic Zionist demographic policy whose political, economic, and educational effects would guarantee the Jewish character of Israel."

The report adds affirmatively that, "those who support the preservation of Israel's character as ... a Jewish state for the Jewish nation ... constitute a majority among the Jewish population in Israel." Of course, this means the maintenance of all the racist laws that guarantee the Jewish character of the state. Subsequent annual meetings have confirmed this commitment.

Jews are carriers of Western civilisation and constitute an Asian station defending both Western civilisation and economic and political interests against Oriental terrorism and barbarism. If Israel transformed itself into a non-racist state, then its Arab population would undermine the commitment to Western civilisation and its defence of the West's economic and political interests, and might perhaps transform Jews themselves into a Levantine barbaric population. Here is how Ben Gurion once put it: "We do not want Israelis to become Arabs. We are in duty bound to fight against the spirit of the Levant, which corrupts individuals and societies, and preserve the authentic Jewish values as they crystallised in the [European] Diaspora." Indeed Ben Gurion was clear on the Zionist role of defending these principles: "We are not Arabs, and others measure us by a different standard ... our instruments of war are different from those of the Arabs, and only our instruments can guarantee our victory." More recently, Israel's ambassador to Australia, Naftali Tamir, stressed that: "We are in Asia without the characteristics of Asians. We don't have yellow skin and slanted eyes. Asia is basically the yellow race. Australia and Israel are not -- we are basically the white race."

God has given this land to the Jews and told them to safeguard themselves against gentiles who hate them. To make Israel a non-Jewish state then would run the risk of challenging God Himself. This position is not only upheld by Jewish and Christian fundamentalists, but even by erstwhile secular Zionists (Jews and Christians alike). Ben Gurion himself understood, as does Bill Clinton and George W Bush, that: "God promised it to us."

It is important to stress that this Zionist rationale is correct on all counts if one accepts the proposition of Jewish exceptionalism. Remember that Zionism and Israel are very careful not to generalise the principles that justify Israel's need to be racist but are rather vehement in upholding it as an exceptional principle. It is not that no other people has been oppressed historically, it is that Jews have been oppressed more. It is not that no other people's cultural and physical existence has been threatened; it is that the Jews' cultural and physical existence is threatened more. This quantitative equation is key to why the world, and especially Palestinians, should recognise that Israel needs and deserves to have the right to be a racist state. If the Palestinians, or anyone else, reject this, then they must be committed to the annihilation of the Jewish people physically and culturally, not to mention that they would be standing against the Judeo- Christian God.

It is true that Palestinian and Arab leaders were not easily persuaded of these special needs that Israel has; that it took decades of assiduous efforts on the part of Israel to convince them, especially through "military" means. In the last three decades they have shown signs of coming around. Though Anwar El-Sadat inaugurated that shift in 1977, it would take Yasser Arafat longer to recognise Israel's needs. But Israel remained patient and became more innovative in its persuasive instruments, especially its military ones. When Arafat came to his senses and signed the Oslo Accords in 1993, he finally recognised Israel's right to be racist and to legally discriminate against its own Palestinian citizens. For that belated recognition, a magnanimous Israel, still eager for peace, decided to negotiate with him. He, however, continued to resist on some issues. For Arafat had hoped that his recognition of Israel's need to be racist inside Israel was in exchange for Israel ending its racist apartheid system in the occupied territories. That was clearly a misunderstanding on his part. Israeli leaders explained to him and to his senior peace negotiator Mahmoud Abbas in marathon discussions that lasted seven years, that Israel's needs are not limited to imposing its racist laws inside Israel but must extend to the occupied territories as well. Surprisingly, Arafat was not content with the Bantustans the Israelis offered to carve up for the Palestinian people in the West Bank and Gaza around the Jewish colonial settlements that God had granted the Jews. The United States was brought in to persuade the malleable leader that the Bantustan solution was not a bad one. Indeed, equally honourable collaborators as Arafat had enjoyed its benefits, such as Mangosutho Gatcha Buthelezi in Apartheid South Africa. It was no shame to accept it, President Clinton insisted to Arafat at Camp David in the summer of 2000. While Abbas was convinced, Arafat remained unsure.

It is true that in 2002 Arafat came around some more and reaffirmed his recognition of Israel's need for racist laws inside the country when he gave up the right of return of the six million exiled Palestinians who, by virtue of Israel's racist law of return, are barred from returning to the homeland from which Israel had expelled them while Jewish citizens of any other countries obtain automatic citizenship in an Israel most of them have never before seen. In an op-ed piece in The New York Times, Arafat declared: "We understand Israel's demographic concerns and understand that the right of return of Palestinian refugees, a right guaranteed under international law and United Nations Resolution 194, must be implemented in a way that takes into account such concerns." He proceeded to state that he was looking to negotiate with Israel on "creative solutions to the plight of the refugees while respecting Israel's demographic concerns". This however, was not sufficient, as Arafat remained unpersuaded of Israel's need to set up its racist apartheid in the occupied territories. Israel had no choice but to isolate him, keep him under house arrest, and possibly poison him at the end.

President Abbas, however, learned well from the mistakes of his predecessor and has shown more openness to Israeli arguments about its dire need to have a racist apartheid system set up in the West Bank and Gaza and that the legitimacy of this apartheid must also be recognised by the Palestinians as a precondition for peace. Abbas was not the only Palestinian leader to be beguiled. Several other Palestinian leaders were so convinced that they offered to help build the infrastructure of Israeli apartheid by providing Israel with most of the cement it needed to build its Jews-only colonies and the apartheid wall.

The problem now was Hamas, who, while willing to recognise Israel, still refused to recognise its special needs to be racist inside the Green Line and to set up an apartheid system inside the occupied territories. This is where Saudi Arabia was brought in last month in the holy city of Mecca. Where else, pondered the Saudis, could one broker an agreement where the leadership of the victims of Israeli racism and oppression can be brought to solemnly swear that they recognise their oppressor's special need to oppress them? Well, Hamas has been resisting the formula, which Fatah has upheld for five years, namely to "commit" to this crucial recognition. Hamas said that all it could do was "respect" past agreements that the PA had signed with Israel and which recognised its need to be racist. This, Israel and the United States insist, is insufficient and the Palestinians will continue to be isolated despite Hamas's "respect" for Israel's right to be racist. The condition for peace as far as Israel and the US are concerned is that both Hamas and Fatah recognise and be committed to Israel's right to be an apartheid state inside the Green Line as well as its imposition of apartheid in the West Bank and Gaza. Short of this, there will be no deal. The ensuing summit between Condie Rice, Ehud Olmert and the exalted PA President Abbas was spent with Olmert interrogating Abbas on how much he remains committed to Israel's need for apartheid in the occupied territories. A minor replay summit was concluded on the same basis a few days ago. Abbas had hoped that the two summits could coax Israel to finalise arrangements for the Bantustans over which he wants to rule, but Israel, understandably, felt insecure and had to ensure that Abbas himself was still committed to its right to impose apartheid first. Meanwhile, ongoing "secret" Israeli-Saudi talks have filled Israel with the hope and expectation that the Arab League's upcoming summit in Riyadh might very well cancel the Palestinian right of return that is guaranteed by international law and affirm the inviolability of Israel's right to be a racist state as guaranteed by international diplomacy. All of Israel's efforts to achieve peace might finally bear fruit if the Arabs finally concede to what international mediation had already conceded to Israel before them.

It should be clear then that in this international context, all existing solutions to what is called the Palestinian-Israeli "conflict" guarantee Israel's need to maintain its racist laws and its racist character and ensure its right to impose apartheid in the West Bank and Gaza. What Abbas and the Palestinians are allowed to negotiate on, and what the Palestinian people and other Arabs are being invited to partake of, in these projected negotiations is the political and economic (but not the geographic) character of the Bantustans that Israel is carving up for them in the West Bank, and the conditions of the siege around the Big Prison called Gaza and the smaller ones in the West Bank. Make no mistake about it, Israel will not negotiate about anything else, as to do so would be tantamount to giving up its racist rule.

As for those among us who insist that no resolution will ever be possible before Israel revokes all its racist laws and does away with all its racist symbols, thus opening the way for a non-racist future for Palestinians and Jews in a decolonised bi-national state, Israel and its apologists have a ready-made response that has redefined the meaning of anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism is no longer the hatred of and discrimination against Jews as a religious or ethnic group; in the age of Zionism, we are told, anti-Semitism has metamorphosed into something that is more insidious. Today, Israel and its Western defenders insist, genocidal anti-Semitism consists mainly of any attempt to take away and to refuse to uphold the absolute right of Israel to be a racist Jewish state.

* The writer is associate professor of modern Arab politics and intellectual history at Columbia University. His latest book is The Persistence of the Palestinian Question; Essays on Zionism and the Palestinians .
 

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Racist Israel

Israel is so racist that it does not expel people of other faiths from Israel.
Israel is so racist that it does not destroy sacred shrines of other faiths
israel is so racist that it gives equality to men and women.
Israel is so racist that it has members of parliment who are Arabs who openly support terrorists such as Hamas and Fatah.
Israel is so racist that even those who kill citizens of the country are allowed to live as citizens in Israel.
How does this compare to Muslim/Arab countries who do not even allow Jews/Israelis to enter their countries? As in Saudi Arabia, Dubai
Who have expelled Jews from their countries - as in every Muslim country in 1967
Who destroy sacred shrines of other faiths - as the Taliban did with Buddist shrines and Muslim leaders of past have done with Catholic shrines.
Which Arab/Muslim country allows a Christian/Buddist/Hindi/Jew to be a member of parliment.
So who is racist?
From a South African who has lived under racism.
Palestinians want their own country.
Why do the rich Arab/Muslim countries not pour money into Gaza to develop the economy - shopping malls, rebuild damaged buildings, develop agriculture etc Why spend so much money on armaments when doctors and hospitals are needed. Why be economically dependent on Zionist/Jewish racists?
As Mexicans coming into/ out of America need the necessary documents and visas so with Palestinians in Israel. In south Africa, we have to go through passport control to enter neighbouring countries such as Lesotho, Swaziland, Angola, Swaziland, Botswana, zimbabwe and Mozambique. And yes, often visas to these countries are denied. Especially to Zimbabwe.Palestine is a separate coountry is it not? If so then it must behave as all independant countries have to all over the world. Double standards are not acceptable.
 

justoneofmillion

Junior Member
Israel is so racist that it does not expel people of other faiths from Israel.
Israel is so racist that it does not destroy sacred shrines of other faiths
israel is so racist that it gives equality to men and women.
Israel is so racist that it has members of parliment who are Arabs who openly support terrorists such as Hamas and Fatah.
Israel is so racist that even those who kill citizens of the country are allowed to live as citizens in Israel.
How does this compare to Muslim/Arab countries who do not even allow Jews/Israelis to enter their countries? As in Saudi Arabia, Dubai
Who have expelled Jews from their countries - as in every Muslim country in 1967
Who destroy sacred shrines of other faiths - as the Taliban did with Buddist shrines and Muslim leaders of past have done with Catholic shrines.
Which Arab/Muslim country allows a Christian/Buddist/Hindi/Jew to be a member of parliment.
So who is racist?
From a South African who has lived under racism.
Palestinians want their own country.
Why do the rich Arab/Muslim countries not pour money into Gaza to develop the economy - shopping malls, rebuild damaged buildings, develop agriculture etc Why spend so much money on armaments when doctors and hospitals are needed. Why be economically dependent on Zionist/Jewish racists?
As Mexicans coming into/ out of America need the necessary documents and visas so with Palestinians in Israel. In south Africa, we have to go through passport control to enter neighbouring countries such as Lesotho, Swaziland, Angola, Swaziland, Botswana, zimbabwe and Mozambique. And yes, often visas to these countries are denied. Especially to Zimbabwe.Palestine is a separate coountry is it not? If so then it must behave as all independant countries have to all over the world. Double standards are not acceptable.
:salam2:This article has been written by a Jew thank god,it is free from any bias,read a little history and you will realize that Jews always found refuge in Arab and Muslim lands be it in spain Morrocco Algeria turkey Palestine .. when persecuted by the Catholic church and the Christians that use to put them in the ghettos of Venice, gas chambers ...etc there is huge documentation on it you can t miss it... Spare us please from such bigotry we have heard it all,there is not need to discuss this any further these are facts revise you history.Here read this article below about how Zionists killed Jews to occupy Arab lands written by another jew,if that is not enough read Richard Ben Cramer a prize Pulitzer winner for his book How Israel lost,and than come again to discuss these issues in a more serious manner.Your assertion are not worth to be taken seriously yet am afraid.there is a huge lack of argumentation and references...
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Herer is acctually a rabbi that is a Semite not any Joe coming from Poland or Russia having the right to settle in Palestine just because he is a Jew in contrary of the millions of Palestinians who have been expelled from their land and are living as refugees in other countries their properties having been confiscated and given to foreign settlers who would put snow white to shame.
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Here is Occupation 101 watch if you haver the gutts!

And here are some love poems with tones blood anchor in their musing read in the name of thy lord!

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EXAMPLES OF HATE SPEECH

1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies *!not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001

2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.

7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969

8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

10. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."

11. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

12. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI's cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.)

13. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

14. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

15. "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"

17. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

18. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

19. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.

20. "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.

21. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

22. "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

23. "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.

24. "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]

25. "We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).

26. "We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." (Jewish Banker Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate).

27. "We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not...You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world." (Chaim Weizmann, Published in "Judische Rundschau," No. 4, 1920)



"We must put an end to anything which brings about any Islamic unity between the sons of the Muslims. As we have already succeeded in finishing off the Khilafah, so we must ensure that there will never arise again unity for the Muslims, whether it be intellectual or cultural unity"
The British Foreign Minister addressing the British Prime Minister shortly before World War II.

"The situation now is that Turkey is dead and will never rise again, because we have destroyed it's moral strength, the Khilafah and Islam" Lord Curzon, British Foreign Minister, infront of the House of Commons after the Lausanne Treaty of July 24th 1924


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ShyHijabi

Junior Member
Israel is so racist that it does not expel people of other faiths from Israel.
No, it murdered many native people of the land during the six days war, including Jews, Christians, and Muslims Arabs..all in the name of nationalism
Israel is so racist that it does not destroy sacred shrines of other faiths
It is presently destroying the base of the Al-Aqsa mosque in a thinly veiled attempt of making it a Temple.

israel is so racist that it gives equality to men and women.
You really ought to familiarize yourself with the treatment of non Jew natives, the women are treated horribly and sexually harrassed.

Israel is so racist that it has members of parliment who are Arabs who openly support terrorists such as Hamas and Fatah.
Israel supports the terroristic acts of the invasion of Syria and the wholesale murder of it's natives.

Israel is so racist that even those who kill citizens of the country are allowed to live as citizens in Israel.
You are aware that Ariel Sharon was responisble for some "ethinic cleansing" during his service in the Israeli mililitary, right?

How does this compare to Muslim/Arab countries who do not even allow Jews/Israelis to enter their countries? As in Saudi Arabia, Dubai
Who have expelled Jews from their countries - as in every Muslim country in 1967
People of all faiths are permitted within Saudi Arabia, just not Mecca and Medina. Furthermore Israel has single handedly killed, exported and put natives of Palestines into ghettos all the while stealing their land and calling it their "promised land." If it's promised then why the need to violate their own holy laws against stealing and killing?

Who destroy sacred shrines of other faiths - as the Taliban did with Buddist shrines and Muslim leaders of past have done with Catholic shrines.
That Buddhist statue was an idol and I believe Christians, Jews and Muslims are not permitted to have idols in their countries. But unlike the other religions we don't cherry pick which laws to obey. Should I notate how many mosques have been destroyed by Christians and Jews in the same amount of time? I fear there is not enough room on this page.

Which Arab/Muslim country allows a Christian/Buddist/Hindi/Jew to be a member of parliment.
Pakistan, Egypt, etc, Do your research before making such generalizations

So who is racist?
Israelis are by far committing some of the big crimes of humanity this last century. Even Amnesty International has criticized their arrest, trials and executions without due process. They are practising a modern day aparthied all while the Western nations nod and approve, disgusting.

From a South African who has lived under racism.
Palestinians want their own country.
Palestenians had/have their own country, and suddenly they were told they had to leave thier land and homes they had dwelt on for thousands of years.

Why do the rich Arab/Muslim countries not pour money into Gaza to develop the economy - shopping malls, rebuild damaged buildings, develop agriculture etc Why spend so much money on armaments when doctors and hospitals are needed.
Because then we are accused of helping terrorists. If I sent money strictly to orphanages and hospitals it would be twisted and made to appear I've sent earmarked money to Hamas. You really should question your sources.

Why be economically dependent on Zionist/Jewish racists?
They were self sustaining in that land until the parasitic state of Israel was established. Now the Palestenians have been choked into smaller and smaller areas and not permitted to freely travel within their own borders. NOw they can't even import food from Arab coutries thanks to the supreme Israeli government.

As Mexicans coming into/ out of America need the necessary documents and visas so with Palestinians in Israel. In south Africa, we have to go through passport control to enter neighbouring countries such as Lesotho, Swaziland, Angola, Swaziland, Botswana, zimbabwe and Mozambique. And yes, often visas to these countries are denied. Especially to Zimbabwe.Palestine is a separate coountry is it not? If so then it must behave as all independant countries have to all over the world.

Double standards are not acceptable.
I agree whole heartedly, so tell Israel to treat the native to the country with the same resepct they treat Israeli imports. Just because someone steals my car doesn't mean they also can tell me when and where I drive it afterward. Israel has no right to call itself a country. They are imperialist with the blood of thousands upond their hands.
 

justoneofmillion

Junior Member
Israel is so racist that it does not expel people of other faiths from Israel.
No, it murdered many native people of the land during the six days war, including Jews, Christians, and Muslims Arabs..all in the name of nationalism
Israel is so racist that it does not destroy sacred shrines of other faiths
It is presently destroying the base of the Al-Aqsa mosque in a thinly veiled attempt of making it a Temple.

israel is so racist that it gives equality to men and women.
You really ought to familiarize yourself with the treatment of non Jew natives, the women are treated horribly and sexually harrassed.

Israel is so racist that it has members of parliment who are Arabs who openly support terrorists such as Hamas and Fatah.
Israel supports the terroristic acts of the invasion of Syria and the wholesale murder of it's natives.

Israel is so racist that even those who kill citizens of the country are allowed to live as citizens in Israel.
You are aware that Ariel Sharon was responisble for some "ethinic cleansing" during his service in the Israeli mililitary, right?

How does this compare to Muslim/Arab countries who do not even allow Jews/Israelis to enter their countries? As in Saudi Arabia, Dubai
Who have expelled Jews from their countries - as in every Muslim country in 1967
People of all faiths are permitted within Saudi Arabia, just not Mecca and Medina. Furthermore Israel has single handedly killed, exported and put natives of Palestines into ghettos all the while stealing their land and calling it their "promised land." If it's promised then why the need to violate their own holy laws against stealing and killing?

Who destroy sacred shrines of other faiths - as the Taliban did with Buddist shrines and Muslim leaders of past have done with Catholic shrines.
That Buddhist statue was an idol and I believe Christians, Jews and Muslims are not permitted to have idols in their countries. But unlike the other religions we don't cherry pick which laws to obey. Should I notate how many mosques have been destroyed by Christians and Jews in the same amount of time? I fear there is not enough room on this page.

Which Arab/Muslim country allows a Christian/Buddist/Hindi/Jew to be a member of parliment.
Pakistan, Egypt, etc, Do your research before making such generalizations

So who is racist?
Israelis are by far committing some of the big crimes of humanity this last century. Even Amnesty International has criticized their arrest, trials and executions without due process. They are practising a modern day aparthied all while the Western nations nod and approve, disgusting.

From a South African who has lived under racism.
Palestinians want their own country.
Palestenians had/have their own country, and suddenly they were told they had to leave thier land and homes they had dwelt on for thousands of years.

Why do the rich Arab/Muslim countries not pour money into Gaza to develop the economy - shopping malls, rebuild damaged buildings, develop agriculture etc Why spend so much money on armaments when doctors and hospitals are needed.
Because then we are accused of helping terrorists. If I sent money strictly to orphanages and hospitals it would be twisted and made to appear I've sent earmarked money to Hamas. You really should question your sources.

Why be economically dependent on Zionist/Jewish racists?
They were self sustaining in that land until the parasitic state of Israel was established. Now the Palestenians have been choked into smaller and smaller areas and not permitted to freely travel within their own borders. NOw they can't even import food from Arab coutries thanks to the supreme Israeli government.

As Mexicans coming into/ out of America need the necessary documents and visas so with Palestinians in Israel. In south Africa, we have to go through passport control to enter neighbouring countries such as Lesotho, Swaziland, Angola, Swaziland, Botswana, zimbabwe and Mozambique. And yes, often visas to these countries are denied. Especially to Zimbabwe.Palestine is a separate coountry is it not? If so then it must behave as all independant countries have to all over the world.

Double standards are not acceptable.
I agree whole heartedly, so tell Israel to treat the native to the country with the same resepct they treat Israeli imports. Just because someone steals my car doesn't mean they also can tell me when and where I drive it afterward. Israel has no right to call itself a country. They are imperialist with the blood of thousands upond their hands.
:salam2:Ramadan mubarak sister Sarah:)
 

Waseem203

Young Muslim
May I add that Israel has the world record of UN condemnations ( Over 60 ). There are 5 country's in the UN that are able to make vetoes. The United States is one of them. You don't understand how many country's have called for Israels condemnation, only to have their requests shot down by the U.S. I'm sorry, but I got a laugh from your post, get with the program.

I have a question too ---- if Israel claims to apply the laws of the Torah how come people aren't stoned to death for adultery and killed if they work on the Sabbath?
 

ShyHijabi

Junior Member
May I add that Israel has the world record of UN condemnations ( Over 60 ). There are 5 country's in the UN that are able to make vetoes. The United States is one of them. You don't understand how many country's have called for Israels condemnation, only to have their requests shot down by the U.S. I'm sorry, but I got a laugh from your post, get with the program.

I have a question too ---- if Israel claims to apply the laws of the Torah how come people aren't stoned to death for adultery and killed if they work on the Sabbath?

Salaam brother,
I can actually answer this one. Since the temple no longer belongs to the Jews they are in effect, exiled. (according to their own beliefs) Therefore they are not permitted to invoke their own laws as a country, they aren't even supposed to have a country until God takes them out of exile. This is why the whole idea of Israel even existed via fiat accompli is actually a blasphemy according to Jews. (and I am speaking of Jews who truly understand the Torah and Tanach) As long as they are in exile they can only try to beseech the favor or God again and subit to the Torah...they cannot ask that the Torah be followed by others as they are not in the light of God presently. Make sense?

Oh brother JustoneofaMillion, Ramadaan Kareem. :tti_sister:
 

Waseem203

Young Muslim
Wait wait--- so this means that according to their own Religion they're country isn't supposed to even exist?
 

ShyHijabi

Junior Member
Wait wait--- so this means that according to their own Religion they're country isn't supposed to even exist?

Yup, you understand completely correctly.

Zionism, by advocating a political and military end to the Jewish exile, denies the very essence of our Diaspora existence. We are in exile by Divine Decree and may emerge from exile solely via Divine Redemption. All human efforts to alter a metaphysical reality are doomed to end in failure and bloodshed. History has clearly borne out this teaching.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/about/mission.cfm

There you have it. Think of it like this, if the dajal came along and there were thousands of Muslims trying to kill him to reverse the prophecy it would be useless and also putting us in a position to control what Allah swt decrees. That's an awkward comparison but it's all I can think of presently.

Wasalaam

~Sarah
 

xSharingan01x

TraVeLer
Israel is so racist that it does not expel people of other faiths from Israel.
No, it murdered many native people of the land during the six days war, including Jews, Christians, and Muslims Arabs..all in the name of nationalism
Israel is so racist that it does not destroy sacred shrines of other faiths
It is presently destroying the base of the Al-Aqsa mosque in a thinly veiled attempt of making it a Temple.

israel is so racist that it gives equality to men and women.
You really ought to familiarize yourself with the treatment of non Jew natives, the women are treated horribly and sexually harrassed.

Israel is so racist that it has members of parliment who are Arabs who openly support terrorists such as Hamas and Fatah.
Israel supports the terroristic acts of the invasion of Syria and the wholesale murder of it's natives.

Israel is so racist that even those who kill citizens of the country are allowed to live as citizens in Israel.
You are aware that Ariel Sharon was responisble for some "ethinic cleansing" during his service in the Israeli mililitary, right?

How does this compare to Muslim/Arab countries who do not even allow Jews/Israelis to enter their countries? As in Saudi Arabia, Dubai
Who have expelled Jews from their countries - as in every Muslim country in 1967
People of all faiths are permitted within Saudi Arabia, just not Mecca and Medina. Furthermore Israel has single handedly killed, exported and put natives of Palestines into ghettos all the while stealing their land and calling it their "promised land." If it's promised then why the need to violate their own holy laws against stealing and killing?

Who destroy sacred shrines of other faiths - as the Taliban did with Buddist shrines and Muslim leaders of past have done with Catholic shrines.
That Buddhist statue was an idol and I believe Christians, Jews and Muslims are not permitted to have idols in their countries. But unlike the other religions we don't cherry pick which laws to obey. Should I notate how many mosques have been destroyed by Christians and Jews in the same amount of time? I fear there is not enough room on this page.

Which Arab/Muslim country allows a Christian/Buddist/Hindi/Jew to be a member of parliment.
Pakistan, Egypt, etc, Do your research before making such generalizations

So who is racist?
Israelis are by far committing some of the big crimes of humanity this last century. Even Amnesty International has criticized their arrest, trials and executions without due process. They are practising a modern day aparthied all while the Western nations nod and approve, disgusting.

From a South African who has lived under racism.
Palestinians want their own country.
Palestenians had/have their own country, and suddenly they were told they had to leave thier land and homes they had dwelt on for thousands of years.

Why do the rich Arab/Muslim countries not pour money into Gaza to develop the economy - shopping malls, rebuild damaged buildings, develop agriculture etc Why spend so much money on armaments when doctors and hospitals are needed.
Because then we are accused of helping terrorists. If I sent money strictly to orphanages and hospitals it would be twisted and made to appear I've sent earmarked money to Hamas. You really should question your sources.

Why be economically dependent on Zionist/Jewish racists?
They were self sustaining in that land until the parasitic state of Israel was established. Now the Palestenians have been choked into smaller and smaller areas and not permitted to freely travel within their own borders. NOw they can't even import food from Arab coutries thanks to the supreme Israeli government.

As Mexicans coming into/ out of America need the necessary documents and visas so with Palestinians in Israel. In south Africa, we have to go through passport control to enter neighbouring countries such as Lesotho, Swaziland, Angola, Swaziland, Botswana, zimbabwe and Mozambique. And yes, often visas to these countries are denied. Especially to Zimbabwe.Palestine is a separate coountry is it not? If so then it must behave as all independant countries have to all over the world.

Double standards are not acceptable.
I agree whole heartedly, so tell Israel to treat the native to the country with the same resepct they treat Israeli imports. Just because someone steals my car doesn't mean they also can tell me when and where I drive it afterward. Israel has no right to call itself a country. They are imperialist with the blood of thousands upond their hands.

Saalam,
Ramadan Kareem, everyone!
Wow, Sister, you've completely humiliated him. :shake:

Thanks for the link to the site. I've heard of Jewish groups that are opposed to Zionism, but never really looked in to it. How strong is their voice inside Israel? Are they mostly associated with peace groups like Gush Shalom, or they merely work to differentiate between Zionism and the teachings of Torah?


:wasalam:



P.S. Response to the 2nd poster, Bahrain's ambassador to United States (Huda Nunu) is a Jewish and a female.

Whether Arab countries/Musilm countries have Jewish minister is not a good comparison to make in the first place.
The reason being, unlike Israel which has approximately 1.5million Arabs within its territory, no Muslim country has significant number of Jews living in their lands. Either they have migrated to Israel or elsewhere since 1948.
You can make a great argument that half of the Israel's Jews at point came from Muslim lands.
A bit ironic, if you ask me.
 

messers

New Member
HOw to force the jews to leave

A female Egyptian lawyer has recommended that Arab men begin sexually harassing Jewish women as a means of forcing Jews to leave Israel. Egypt, which signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1979, is perceived among Western nations as a moderate Arab nation where secular Arabs are a majority.

In an interview which aired on Al Arabiyah television on October 31, 2008, Nagla Al-Imam said, "In my opinion, they are fair game for all Arabs, and there is nothing wrong… this is a new form of resistance."

Al-Imam specified, however, that her "resistance" plan did not include rape.

"No. Sexual harassment… In my view, the [Israeli women] do not have any right to respond. The resistance fighters would not initiate such a thing, because their moral values are much loftier than that. However, if such a thing did happen to them, the [Israeli women] have no right to make any demands, because this would put us on equal terms – leave the land so we won't rape you. These two things are equal," she said.

Al-Imam added that she did not want "young Arab men to be interrogated," but rather, she wanted "these Zionist girls with Israeli citizenship to be expelled from our Arab countries. This is a form of resistance, and a way of rejecting their presence."
 

autumn

Strength in Unity
Israel is so racist that it does not expel people of other faiths from Israel.
Israel is so racist that it does not destroy sacred shrines of other faiths
israel is so racist that it gives equality to men and women.
Israel is so racist that it has members of parliment who are Arabs who openly support terrorists such as Hamas and Fatah.
Israel is so racist that even those who kill citizens of the country are allowed to live as citizens in Israel.
How does this compare to Muslim/Arab countries who do not even allow Jews/Israelis to enter their countries? As in Saudi Arabia, Dubai
Who have expelled Jews from their countries - as in every Muslim country in 1967
Who destroy sacred shrines of other faiths - as the Taliban did with Buddist shrines and Muslim leaders of past have done with Catholic shrines.
Which Arab/Muslim country allows a Christian/Buddist/Hindi/Jew to be a member of parliment.
So who is racist?
From a South African who has lived under racism.
Palestinians want their own country.
Why do the rich Arab/Muslim countries not pour money into Gaza to develop the economy - shopping malls, rebuild damaged buildings, develop agriculture etc Why spend so much money on armaments when doctors and hospitals are needed. Why be economically dependent on Zionist/Jewish racists?
As Mexicans coming into/ out of America need the necessary documents and visas so with Palestinians in Israel. In south Africa, we have to go through passport control to enter neighbouring countries such as Lesotho, Swaziland, Angola, Swaziland, Botswana, zimbabwe and Mozambique. And yes, often visas to these countries are denied. Especially to Zimbabwe.Palestine is a separate coountry is it not? If so then it must behave as all independant countries have to all over the world. Double standards are not acceptable.


:salam2:

seriously...are you being sarcastic????
 

Almeftah

Junior Member
And We decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture, indeed you would do mischief in land twice and you will become tyrants and extremely arrogant! (4) So, when the promise came for the first of the two, We sent against you slaves of Ours given to terrible warfare. They entered the very innermost parts of your homes. And it was a promise (completely) fulfilled. (5) Then We gave you, a return of victory over them. And We helped you with wealth and children and made you more numerous in man - power. (6)

First time was before Salah Ad-deen takes back Palastine from them..
And now is the second time..


And We said to the Children of Israel after him: "Dwell in the land, then, when the final and the last promise comes near [i.e. the Day of Resurrection or the descent of Christ ['Īsā (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) A.S. on the earth]. We shall bring you altogether as mixed crowd (gathered out of various nations).[Tafsir Al-Qurtubî, Vol.] (104)

And indeed We gave the Children of Israel the Scripture, and the understanding of the Scripture and its laws, and the Prophethood; and provided them with good things, and preferred them above the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinn of their time, during that period), (16) And gave them clear proofs in matters [by revealing to them the Taurât (Torah)]. And they differed not until after the knowledge came to them, through envy among themselves. Verily, Your Lord will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection about that wherein they used to differ. (17)
 

msmoorad

mommys boy
zionism

salaams to all

heres a very interesting video
its about 1hr30mins long & approx 450MB in size.

i dont know how many can download from YouTube, but thats what i do(using Real Player):

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=utVkVQnAY64

i think its worth the effort to get- & show it to as many people as possible- esp Jews.
ps- im posting this on as many relevant threads as possible - so max amount of people get to see this

and Allah ta'ala knows best
jazakallah
 

sister herb

Official TTI Chef
Which Arab/Muslim country allows a Christian/Buddist/Hindi/Jew to be a member of parliment.

PLC - Palestine Legistative Council (that means same than parliament) have christian members. You maybe haven´t never heard that all Palestinians aren´t muslims. There are also christian Palestinians.

Also some ministers of the West Bank government are christians. Before, after parliamentary elections at 2006 one minister from Gaza was christian.

Your post is so full of zionist propaganda that it isn´t worth to comment more.
 

msmoorad

mommys boy
Assalaam walaikum,

I could not connect to the link.

salaams to all
strange.
i tried it directly from the link i posted & its also not working but go to the website from where i originally learnt about it:
henrymakow.com
its on the left of the screen-the red strip, under Latest News
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utVkVQnAY64

PS- Everyone- please visit http://savethemales.ca/
its the same site- henrymakow.com

it now has an article about the movie

you will appreciate it.

and Allah ta'la knows best
jazakallah
 

strive-may-i

Junior Member
Would below come as a surprise?
Interest is not permitted in Judaism, and the renaissance era jews, twisted rules and became the Bankers of choice for England and west.​

There is soo much about how Jews twisted the rules. The spirit, was to beware of misusing the position of power, for Almighty has warned it will lead them to doom. And here is Israel, twisting and churning "Israels right to be racist, phew!!!"

Needless to say, they have met effective resistance, from Palestinians and Palestine nation has not got effective world support, while Israel thrives on it, and misuses it...Yes they will have a brief victory, but it will be brief..... and they know it. They fear it, and hence the propaganda...

When a christian visitor to Holyland is unable to digest, what Israel is doing, you can conclude ...., The Inhuman treatment Palestine is reporting, is not a hoax.
 

Just a Guy

Reinventing Myself
Would below come as a surprise?
Interest is not permitted in Judaism, and the renaissance era jews, twisted rules and became the Bankers of choice for England and west.​

There is soo much about how Jews twisted the rules. The spirit, was to beware of misusing the position of power, for Almighty has warned it will lead them to doom. And here is Israel, twisting and churning "Israels right to be racist, phew!!!"

Needless to say, they have met effective resistance, from Palestinians and Palestine nation has not got effective world support, while Israel thrives on it, and misuses it...Yes they will have a brief victory, but it will be brief..... and they know it. They fear it, and hence the propaganda...

When a christian visitor to Holyland is unable to digest, what Israel is doing, you can conclude ...., The Inhuman treatment Palestine is reporting, is not a hoax.

:salam2:

Israel has always been racist, ever since they started believing that they were "God's chosen people". So I guess that makes God racist too?
 
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