Praying in Congregation?

Tabassum07

Smile for Allah
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I have a question that will sound *very* silly to mostly all, but I have to ask anyway. The thing is, all my life, I've only very very rarely prayed in congregation, since mostly I've lived in a place where females aren't allowed in the mosques.

But then when I do get a chance to pray in congregation (mostly, its when my father leads the famiy in prayer - very rare), I find myself confused as to what to say out loud, or what not to.

Can anyone please enlighten me of the basics? What are the exact diferences of praying by oneself, or praying in congregation?

(This is so embarassing...)
 

strive-may-i

Junior Member
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Nothing is embarassing. Dont worry. There is so much I dont know, so I ask too...

If you are asking about what to say loud and what not to say loud while following the imaam [being lead] , below is the points to remember
1. Aameen after Surah faatihah is to be said loud, and in chorus together with Imaam [person leading prayer]
2. Everything else applies as per madhab, but you keep it low, such that only your body can hear it, person beside you should not get disturbed.
3. Only Luhar and Asr Salaat, the surat are to be prayed silently, [takbeer loud enough so that last person can hear, chain repeat of takbeer in large congregations applies too]

And incase you are asking the difference between praying single, leading a congregation, being lead in congregation, well that's a vast topic. Some one might have a well drafted handy write up, lets wait... The differences start from the niyyat of Salaat itself.
 

xAllahKnowsBestx

Junior Member
Thanks for asking this question sis. You're not the only one. I've only prayed in congregation a couple of times, and I don't even know what I'm doing most of the time. :/

I know we're supposed to listen to the imam recite the surahs, but what about Fatiha? And also, do we have to say "Allahu Akbar" after the imam or is it enough if the imam says it?

Sorry for hijacking the thread, didn't wanna start another one.
 

Astrugglingsoul

Junior Member
this is what i know so far. brothers please correct me if i am wrong.

1)there are basically 2 rules of saying ameen after surah fatihah. one is silently and one is out loud. and both of them are correct. people in indian subcontinent say silently. and i think people in saudi arabia or other places say it loudly. i think it is because of the different madhab. most of the people in indian subcontinent are the followers of hanafi madhab. so you can say it out loud or say it silently.
2) and as far i know you have to atleast say allahu akbar eventhough the imam says it. but the surahs he recites you don't have to repeat.
 

kashif_nazeer

~~~Alhamdulillah~~~
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Asking questions is never silly.MashaAllah it clears doubts.
The intention should be made to perform prayer behind Imam.In congregation except 'asr and dhuhr prayers,in all other prayers,in qiyaam,recitations of fatihah sharif and other following surahs are said aloud by the Imam.We basically follow the Imam in everything.
It is important to recite faithah slowly,as in whispering, because if someone doesn't recite surah fatihah ,he/she has to pray again.As there is a hadith that there is no prayer without fatihah.
In other things we have to follow the Imam.When he goes to ruk'oo we too go into ruk'oo and recite the tasbih which is said "Subhan Rabbial Adheem",three times,when in sajdah recitew the tasbih "Subhan Rabbial 'ala 3 times.
When in tashhaddud,do the same as you do in individual prayers.Except that follow the Imam in his movements.

Hope some knowledgable brother or sister clears it up more inshaAllah.


:wasalam:
 

Astrugglingsoul

Junior Member
:wasalam:

There is nothing silly or embarrassing when it comes to seeking knowledge of Islam.

As previously mentioned by another, you can say "ameen" loud or silently after the imam finishes the fatihaah. btw, that's the only thing you can say out loud. And that too I believe is for men only, women must say it quietly.

also, those following must recite fatihah quietly as well and not just listen to the imam.

see - http://islamqa.com/en/ref/10995

As far as i know, everything else is read quietly behind the imam. He is leading the prayer not doing your prayer for you. This is why even if the imam makes a mistake, your prayer is still valid.

Differences in Prayer for Men and Women
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/1106/

as for reciting loud vs quietly, the imam recites out loud in 3 of the 5 salahs. Only Zuhr/dhur and Asr salah are read silently by the imam.

:salam2:
jazakallah khayr brother
your reply makes sense and i have learned something new from it.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

You have asked a very good question. I can always tell when the sisters who come to the masjid are not used to congregational prayer. There is a big difference. And they need to be educated on the manners of performing a congregational salat.

First..you make the two rakat salat. You sit and either are in dikhar or you recite the Quran. You do not sit cross-legged and you do not intertwine your fingers. You listen to the kutba. You do not walk around and walk in and out of the masala.

When the congregation lines up you line up shoulder to shoulder in exact rows. After the prayers you change places and make additional salat.

Easy right....I go crazy. The sisters are loud. They talk in various languages all during the kutba. The children run around like bats out of hell. Even during salat. They refuse to line up.

In every masjid I have attended the women very quietly respond to the sections where a response is indicated. The gestures vary according to culture and whatever.

And I pray each time for the imam to alert the sisters that you in the House of Allah.
 

Aisya al-Humaira

الحمدلله على كل حال
:wasalam:

Praise be to Allaah.

Reciting al-Faatihah is one of the essential parts of the prayer, and is to be recited in each rak’ah both by the imaam and by those who are being led by him, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no prayer for the one who does not recite the Opening of the Book [i.e., al-Faatihah].” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 714). With regard to one who is following an imaam reciting al-Faatihah behind the imaam in a prayer where Qur’aan is to be recited out loud, there are two scholarly opinions.

The first opinion is that it is obligatory, the evidence for that being the general meaning of the hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “There is no prayer for the one who does not recite the Opening of the Book [i.e., al-Faatihah].” And because when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught the one who had not prayed properly, he told him to recite al-Faatihah.

It was narrated in a saheeh report that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to recite it in every rak’ah. Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said in Fath al-Baari: “It was proven that permission was given to the one who is praying behind an imaam to recite al-Faatihah in prayers in which Qur’aan is to be recited out loud, without any exceptions. That is what was narrated by al-Bukhaari in Juz’ al-Qiraa’ah, and by al-Tirmidhi, Ibn Hibbaan and others, from Makhool from Mahmood ibn al-Rabee’ from ‘Ubaadah, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stumbled in his recitation in Fajr, and when he finished he said, “Perhaps you recite behind your imaam?” They said, “Yes,” He said, “Do not do that, except for the Opening of the Book (al-Faaithah), for there is no prayer for the one who does not recite it.”

The second opinion is that the recitation of the imaam is also the recitation of the one who is praying behind him. The evidence for that is the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“So, when the Qur’aan is recited, listen to it, and be silent that you may receive mercy” [al-A’raaf 7:204]

Ibn Hajar said: “Those who say that (the one who is praying behind an imaam) does not have to recite it in prayers where Qur’aan is to be recited out loud, such as the Maalikis, quote as evidence the hadeeth, ‘When he recites then listen attentively.’ This is a saheeh hadeeth which was narrated by Muslim from Abu Moosa al-‘Ash’ari.”

Those who say that it is obligatory say that it should be recited after the imaam has finished reciting al-Faatihah and before he starts to recite another soorah, or that it should be recited when the imam pauses. Ibn Hajar said: “He should listen when the imam is reciting, and recite it when he is silent.”

Shaykh Ibn Baaz said, “What is meant by when the imam pauses is when he pauses during al-Faatihah or after reciting it, or in the soorah that he recites after it. If the imam does not pause, then the one who is praying behind him has to recite al-Faatihah even if the imam is reciting, according to the more correct of the two scholarly opinions.” (See Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, vol. 11, p. 221)

The Standing Committee was asked a similar question and replied as follows:

The correct scholarly opinion is that it is obligatory to recite al-Faatihah when praying alone and it is obligatory upon the imam and those whom he is leading both in prayers where Qur’aan is to be recited out loud and when it is to be recited silently, because of the soundness and specific nature of the texts which indicate that. The aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“So, when the Qur’aan is recited, listen to it, and be silent that you may receive mercy”

[al-A’raaf 7:204] is general in meaning. The hadeeth, “When the Qur’aan is recited then listen attentively” is general and applies both to al-Faatihah and other soorahs. These two texts are general in meaning, and the following hadeeth refer to an exception to that rule:

“There is no prayer for the one who does not recite the Opening of the Book.” Thus we may reconcile all the proven evidence. The hadeeth “The recitation of the imaam is the recitation of the one who is praying behind him” is da’eef (weak). It is not correct to say that the Ameen of the congregation to the imaam’s recitation of al-Faatihah takes the place of their own recitation. The differences of opinion among the scholars concerning this matter should not be taken as a means to hate one another, and to divide and turn our backs on one another. Rather you have to study the matter in more detail and find out more. If one of you is following a scholar who says that the one who is praying behind an imam has to recite al-Faatihah during prayers in which Qur’aan is to be recited out loud, and others are following a scholar who says that they must be silent and listen to the imam in prayers where Qur’aan is to be recited out loud, and that the imam’s recitation of al-Faatihah is sufficient, there is nothing wrong with that. There is no need for one group to denounce the other, or to hate one another because of that.

They have to be open-minded about differences of opinion among the scholars, and about the reasons for that, and ask Allaah to guide them in matters concerning which there are differences of opinion as to what is correct, for He is the All-Hearing, Ever-Responsive. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.

If one opted to recite Al-Fatihaah, then after he/she is done, that person has to listen to the recitation of suraah of the imaam.

Recite it silently does not mean to recite it just in the heart or in the head, the tongue has to move but the sound of the recitation is slow that it can only be heard by the reciter. [Hope my sentence isn't confusing, inshaa Allaah]

When praying in congregation, it is also important to ensure that the row (saff) is straight and the person is lining up shoulder to shoulder with the person next to them. I've seen too many people at the mosque praying in a distance from each other so sometimes it is best for the imaam to remind the jamaah to check their saff.

This question was asked before, so you can also checked out the old, similar threads, inshaa Allaah. :)

:wasalam:
 

xAllahKnowsBestx

Junior Member
When praying in congregation, it is also important to ensure that the row (saff) is straight and the person is lining up shoulder to shoulder with the person next to them. I've seen too many people at the mosque praying in a distance from each other so sometimes it is best for the imaam to remind the jamaah to check their saff.

Ahh.. My sister and I got yelled at for putting our bags in between. I feel so ignorant.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

Sister,

After the congregation salat I often place my purse in front of me as a stura. This way I am able to pray and those that need to move can do so without interrupting my prayer.
 
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