Preventing others from crossing during the prayer

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    Preventing others from crossing during the prayer


    by Imâm ash-Shawkânî
    www.islaam.net

    From ibn Umar that the Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said,

    "when one of you is praying then do not let anyone pass in front of him, and if he refuses then fight him for indeed he has a companion [i.e. a shaytaan] with him." Reported by Ahmad, Muslim and ibn Maajah.

    From Abu Sa'eed who said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, saying,

    "when one of you prays towards something that acts as a sutrah for him from the rest of the people and someone wishes to pass in from of him [i.e. between him and the sutrah] then push him back, and if he refuses then fight him for he is a shaytaan." Reported by the Group except for at-Tirmidhee and ibn Maajah.

    [Note: A sutrah is a object that is placed in front of the one who is praying such that the people become aware that he is praying and do not pass directly in front of him but rather from beyond the sutrah.]

    His saying [no.1], "when one of you is praying then do not..." this is a general statement which finds specification in the hadeeth of Abu Sa'eed [no. 2], "when one of you prays towards something that acts as a sutrah for him," so it is not permissible to push back or fight except for the one who has a sutrah.

    An-Nawawee said,

    "they have agreed that all of this [pushing and fighting] is for the one who has not been negligent in his prayer, rather he has been careful and prayed towards a sutrah or has prayed in a place in which he is safe from people passing in front of him."

    His saying [no.1], "then do not let anyone pass in front of him." The literal sense of forbiddance is that it is haraam to do so.

    His saying [no.1], "and if he refuses then fight him." I.e. He first pushes him back without fighting him thereby starting with the easiest way, then he moves on to employing more force then even more until he reaches the point that he fights him.

    Qaadee Ayaadh and al-Qurtobee said,

    "they have unanimously agreed that this does not require him to fight him with a weapon, this because it contradicts the basic principle of concentrating and busying oneself with the prayer."

    A group of the Shaafi'ee scholars generalised and said that it is upon him to literally fight the one who passes in front of him but ibn al-Arabee declared this far fetched saying, "what is meant by fighting is pushing back [with force]."

    Al-Baajee was of a strange opinion saying, "it is possible that what is meant by fighting is cursing and rebuke." Al-Haafidh [ibn Hajr] followed this up by saying that this would require him to speak in the prayer thereby invalidating it which is not true of enacting the easy matter [i.e. pushing back]. Al-Ismaa'eelee reported the hadeeth with the wording "and if he refuses then place his hand on his chest and push him back," this is explicit that the pushing back is to be done with the hand. This was done by Abu Sa'eed to the slave who wished to pass in front of him - he pushed him back by pushing his chest - then when the slave returned he pushed him back with more force as occurs in al-Bukhaaree and others.

    Al-Bayhaqee quoted from ash-Shaafi'ee that "the meaning of fighting was to push back with more force than was employed on the first occasion."

    Qaadee Ayaadh said,

    "if he pushed him back in a permissible manner and caused his death then there is no retribution [qawad] against him by agreement of the scholars but is blood money due upon him or not? There are two opinions of the scholars concerning this both of these being voiced by the Maalikee scholars."

    Qaadee Ayaadh and ibn Battaal report a consensus that it is not permissible to walk from ones place in order to push back or to perform a great deal of movement and action in pushing back. This is because these types of actions are more detrimental to the prayer then having someone walk in front of you.

    An-Nawawee said, "I do not know of any of the legal jurists who were of the opinion that this pushing back was obligatory." Al-Haafidh followed this up by saying that the Dhaahirees had explicitly stated that it was obligatory. The literal sense of the hadeeth supports them. His saying [no.2], "for indeed he is a shaytaan." Al-Haafidh said, "applying the term shaytaan to the human being who passes in front of the one praying is something permissible for their occurs in the Qur'aan the saying of the Exalted, "the shaytaans of the humans and jinn." The reason for this application is that he has done an action of Shaytaan. It is said that the meaning is that it is Shaytaan who has incited him to pass in front of the one who is praying and not go back. Ibn Battaal said: the permissibility of applying the term shaytaan to the one who causes fitna in the religion can be derived from this hadeeth." Al-Haafidh said, "this is built upon the fact that the word shaytaan can be literally applied to humans and figuratively applied to jinns but such a premise requires investigation."

    It is also said that the meaning of Shaytaan is companion as occurs in the first hadeeth. Ibn Abee Jumrah derived from his saying, "for indeed he is a shaytaan" that the meaning of fighting is to push back gently and not to literally fight, this because combating shaytaan is through seeking refuge with Allaah and erecting a barrier from him by mentioning the Name of Allaah and the likes. He went on to say, "so does the fighting lie in the distraction that the one who is praying faces due to someone passing in front of him or does it lie in his trying to bridle the sin of the one passing (by pushing him back)? The second option is more obvious." Al-Haafidh said,

    "others said: rather the first is more obvious because the concentration of the one praying takes precedence over his being concerned with bridling the sin of another. Ibn Abee Shaybah reported from ibn Mas'ud that someone passing in front of the one praying severs half his prayer. Abu Nu'aym reported from Umar, 'that if the people knew how much their prayer was diminished due to someone passing in front of them they would never cease to pray towards something that would act as a sutrah from the rest of the people.' So these two narrations dictate that the pushing back is linked to the distraction that the one praying faces and is not specified to the one passing. These two narrations even if they end at a Sahaabah they have the ruling of being from the Messenger, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallaam, because the likes of this is not said from personal opinion."

    Taken from 'Nayl al-Awtaar' (3/5-6) of Imaam ash-Shawkaanee with slight summary
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    JazakAllah Khair for posting this.

    I was actually wondering about how to prevent people from crossing us while we pray. I recall that in Mecca, people don't really have an qualms about passing in front of a person while they're praying and at that time I wasn't sure what to do to prevent it. One reason for it (that people use as justification) is that in Masjid Al-Haram, it's so crowded that people need to cross in front of others just in order to find a spot to pray. And I admit it can be difficult to find a place without having to cross others. However, it still didn't seem right. I'm glad I know what to do now, but I'll still look into it regarding crowded places.

    JazakAllah Khair again.
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    As-salaamu `alaykum.

    Baarak Allaahu feeki. I know what you mean, in the Haram I took a sutrah and someone flied passed me, I tried to prevent him and he was like "Haram". However, I have read from some of the `Ullemaa' that it is not allowed even in the haram. In a book on `Umrah by Sa`eed al-Qahtaanee and forwarded by Shaykh Saalih Al-Fawzaan, I believe it was concluded that it is impermissible. However, I asked a local Imaam who said that some of the `Ullemaa' have said that it is in fact ok, however that does not mean that you should not take a sutrah when you pray, as some people do. Allaah knows best, but if people followed the sunnah and took a sutrah when they prayed, respected the obligations of the pathways/roads (no praying on them so as to block them!), then we'd probably have far more order in the haram, less walking past people praying and more khushoo`!

    May Allaah direct us to learning his deen, and drawing nearer to him, ameen.
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    salams , a very good post brother, I feel the same when in the Harram at Mecca when some one passes in front of you , it is very hard to stop all the people, and when you try they really don't like it.
    PLease advise when we take a sutrah does it have to a certain hight or a pair of shoes will do as I see so many people do??
    W/salams
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    As-salaamu `alaykum.

    There are ahaadeeth that state that the height of the sutrah must be equal to or greater than the height of a saddle, which is equal to about a foot (the measurement, not body part; in terms of body parts then the length of a fore-arm is normally used). So it wouldn't be entirely correct to use slippers or shoes as a sutrah, unless they meet that condition. Shaykh Al-Albaanee said,

    It is obligatory that the height of the sutrah above the ground be at least a span or two spans, due to his saying, “If one of you places in front of him the like of the back-part of a camel-saddle, then let him pray and not care about what passes beyond that.”

    And Shaykh `Uthaymeen said,

    It is the height of one forearm above the place of Salaah - that is the height of the rear end of a camel's saddle. As for it's width, there is no stipulated size. One can therefore use something even as thin as an arrow or a spear. It is not permissible, however, to take a Sutrah less than the height of the rear of a camel's saddle. If on the other hand, after some effort to find one, none is found, one may use whatever is available, whatever the size. This is taken from the Qur'aanic saying in surah At-Taghaabun verse 16:

    "So keep your duty to Allaah (and fear Him) as much as you can..."
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    Barakallahufik Brother for your answer.
    Inshallah we have to be careful in future to pray out of peoples way if at all possible in crowded places.
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    jazak Allahu khayra for sharing

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