Question about Quran

shous

Junior Member
I go to another site that has MUCH debate about Islam. I have been lurking and dont intend to argue with people who see themselves as Superior to all.
I will post a partial post of what someone said about the Quran and I was wondering is someone could direct me to where I can get some facts about it and not opinions.

My knowlege is not that great about Islam details, but I want to learn all these things so I can arm myself and defend my ONE God!

This is part of the post..
other site said:
Show me the ORIGINAL TEXT of the Qur'an and I will convert today. It does not exist... the one that exists today was commissioned by the 3rd caliph because there were so many different, variant copies of the Qur’an that it was causing trouble. So he had his people create a Qur’an to his liking. This is the book that people today pretend is the original Qur’an.
The closest thing that exists to an ‘original’ Qur’an are the thousands of pages found in the rafters of a Mosque in Yemen. These show not an ‘original’ Qu’ran but instead a Qur’an that evolved over the first 200 years of Islam. Guess your religious leaders/teachers forgot to tell you about the existence of these didn’t they? I wonder why? Guess because not talking about them protects the lie that there exists an original Qur’an.
We have versions of the scriptures that are older then the Qur’an, older then Islam… from the early years.. .they are the Dead Sea Scrolls. They prove that the scriptures have not changed in all that time.
Show me anything from Islam that is over 2000 years old to prove the authenticity of the rewritten Qur’an.

Salaam
 

jabba

Salafi Dawah is the best
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Asalaamalikum,

First off please be careful with the sites you are visiting, especially with the ignorance people have about Islam today.

Some of these people only hear from what other people say and try to use it to argue against Muslims when in fact they have never looked it up themselves or read the Quran!

My second advise is that you should try to study Islam completely and then talk about it, because if you have a weak iman (faith or trust in Allah) these people will try anything to create doubts in your mind.

These are just my humble opinion. Anyhow, inshallah below is the answer to the persons question. Please tell him/her to visit us here to help answer his/her questions.

Please check this video by Shaykh Khalid Yasin:

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Answer:

One of the most common myths about the Qur’an, is that Usman (r.a.), the third Caliph of Islam authenticated and compiled one Qur’an, from a large set of mutually contradicting copies. The Qur’an, revered as the Word of Allah (swt) by Muslims the world over, is the same Qur’an as the one revealed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). It was authenticated and written under his personal supervision. We will examine the roots of the myth which says that Usman (r.a.) had the Qur’an authenticated.

1. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself supervised and authenticated the written texts of the Qur’an


Whenever the Prophet received a revelation, he would first memorize it himself and later declare the revelation and instruct his Companions (R.A. – Radhi Allahu Taala Anhu) – May Allah be pleased with him who would also memorize it. The Prophet would immediately ask the scribes to write down the revelation he had received, and he would reconfirm and recheck it himself. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was an Ummi who could not read and write. Therefore, after receiving each revelation, he would repeat it to his Companions. They would write down the revelation, and he would recheck by asking them to read what they had written. If there was any mistake, the Prophet would immediately point it out and have it corrected and rechecked. Similarly he would even recheck and authenticate the portions of the Qur’an memorized by the Companions. In this way, the complete Qur’an was written down under the personal supervision of the prophet (pbuh).

2. Order and sequence of Qur’an divinely inspired


The complete Qur’an was revealed over a period of 22½ years portion by portion, as and when it was required. The Qur’an was not compiled by the Prophet in the chronological order of revelation. The order and sequence of the Qur’an too was Divinely inspired and was instructed to the Prophet by Allah (swt) through archangel Jibraeel. Whenever a revelation was conveyed to his companions, the Prophet would also mention in which surah (chapter) and after which ayat (verse) this new revelation should fit.

Every Ramadhaan all the portions of the Qur’an that had been revealed, including the order of the verses, were revised and reconfirmed by the Prophet with archangel Jibraeel. During the last Ramadhaan, before the demise of the Prophet, the Qur’an was rechecked and reconfirmed twice.

It is therefore clearly evident that the Qur’an was compiled and authenticated by the Prophet himself during his lifetime, both in the written form as well as in the memory of several of his Companions.

3. Qur’an copied on one common material


The complete Qur’an, along with the correct sequence of the verses, was present during the time of the Prophet (pbuh). The verses however, were written on separate pieces, scrapes of leather, thin flat stones, leaflets, palm branches, shoulder blades, etc. After the demise of the prophet, Abu Bakr (r.a.), the first caliph of Islam ordered that the Qur’an be copied from the various different materials on to a common material and place, which was in the shape of sheets. These were tied with strings so that nothing of the compilation was lost.

4. Usman (r.a.) made copies of the Qur’an from the original manuscript


Many Companions of the Prophet used to write down the revelation of the Qur’an on their own whenever they heard it from the lips of the Prophet. However what they wrote was not personally verified by the Prophet and thus could contain mistakes. All the verses revealed to the Prophet may not have been heard personally by all the Companions. There were high possibilities of different portions of the Qur’an being missed by different Companions. This gave rise to disputes among Muslims regarding the different contents of the Qur’an during the period of the third Caliph Usman (r.a.).

Usman (r.a.) borrowed the original manuscript of the Qur’an, which was authorized by the beloved Prophet (pbuh), from Hafsha (may Allah be pleased with her), the Prophet’s wife. Usman (r.a.) ordered four Companions who were among the scribes who wrote the Qur’an when the Prophet dictated it, led by Zaid bin Thabit (r.a.) to rewrite the script in several perfect copies. These were sent by Usman (r.a.) to the main centres of Muslims.

There were other personal collections of the portions of the Qur’an that people had with them. These might have been incomplete and with mistakes. Usman (r.a.) only appealed to the people to destroy all these copies which did not match the original manuscript of the Qur’an in order to preserve the original text of the Qur’an. Two such copies of the copied text of the original Qur’an authenticated by the Prophet are present to this day, one at the museum in Tashkent in erstwhile Soviet Union and the other at the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul, Turkey.

5. Diacritical marks were added for non-Arabs


The original manuscript of the Qur’an does not have the signs indicating the vowels in Arabic script. These vowels are known as tashkil, zabar, zair, paish in Urdu and as fatah, damma and qasra in Arabic. The Arabs did not require the vowel signs and diacritical marks for correct pronunciation of the Qur’an since it was their mother tongue. For Muslims of non-Arab origin, however, it was difficult to recite the Qur’an correctly without the vowels. These marks were introduced into the Quranic script during the time of the fifth ‘Umayyad’ Caliph, Malik-ar-Marwan (66-86 Hijri/685-705 C.E.) and during the governorship of Al-Hajaj in Iraq.

Some people argue that the present copy of the Qur’an that we have along with the vowels and the diacritical marks is not the same original Qur’an that was present at the Prophet’s time. But they fail to realize that the word ‘Qur’an’ means a recitation. Therefore, the preservation of the recitation of the Qur’an is important, irrespective of whether the script is different or whether it contains vowels. If the pronunciation and the Arabic is the same, naturally, the meaning remains the same too.

6. Allah Himself has promised to guard the Qur’an

Allah has promised in the Qur’an :

"We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly Guard it (from corruption). [Al-Qur’an 15:9]

source: http://www.islam101.com/quran/preservedQ.htm
 

danial

Junior Member
how could one say that? there was no "council of nicea" for the quran. no one picked and chose what went in it!
 

shous

Junior Member
Thank you; I posted 2 posts directing them to ask here and I will never go back to that site; it is dripping with poisonous venom!

May Allah keep us safe from them !
 

dianne

Senior Member
I hate to say this but these words were taken almost word-for-word from the Shii book, "All you need for fundamentals." (Al-Kaafi fil Usool) It quotes for evidence fabricated hadiths by narrators who were unanimously dismissed as frauds and liers.

The established histroical fact is that the Quran was written down in its entirety while the prophet was alive and copies of it were kept by Faatima, the daughter of the prophet and Hafsa, his wife. It was also memorized and recited by thousands of disciples and there was never a glitch of deviation in any of these.

To be fair, not all the Shia believe this. The few who do have a very hard time explaining God's words "It is We who have sent down the Remembrance and it is We who will verily preserve it." (15:9)

Im Islam Sunnah
 

dianne

Senior Member
The Qur'ān [1] (Arabic: القرآن ;al-ķur’ān, literally "the recitation"; also sometimes transliterated as Quran or Koran) is the central religious text of Islam. Muslims believe the Qur'an to be the book of divine guidance and direction for mankind, consider the text in its original Arabic to be the literal word of Allah[2] revealed to Muhammad over a period of twenty-three years[3][4], and view the Qur'an as God's final revelation to humanity.[5][6]

Muslims regard the Qur'ān as the culmination of a series of divine messages that started with those revealed to Adam — regarded, in Islam, as the first prophet — and including the Suhuf-i-Ibrahim (Scrolls of Abraham/Ibrahim),[7] the Tawrat (Torah),[8][9] the Zabur (Psalms),[10][11] and the Injil (Gospel)[12][13][14]. The aforementioned books are recognized in the Qur'ān, [15][16] and the Qur'anic text assumes familiarity [17] with many events from Jewish and Christian scriptures, retelling some of these events in distinctive ways, and referring obliquely to others. It rarely offers detailed accounts of historical events; the Qur'an's emphasis is typically on the moral significance of an event, rather than its narrative sequence.

The Qur'anic text itself proclaims a divine protection of its message: Surely We have revealed the Reminder and We will most surely be its guardian. [18][19]

The Qur'anic verses were originally memorized by Muhammad's companions as Muhammad recited them, with some being written down by one or more companions on whatever was at hand, from stones to pieces of bark. In the Sunni tradition, the collection of the Qur'ān compilation took place under the Caliph Abu Bakr, this task being led by Zayd ibn Thabit Al-Ansari. "The manuscript on which the Quran was collected, remained with Abu Bakr till Allah took him unto Him, and then with 'Umar till Allah took him unto Him, and finally it remained with Hafsa bint Umar (Umar's daughter)."[20]
 
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