rape and abortion

[esperanza]

Home Last Updated: Mon Jun 11, 2012 16:41 pm (KSA) 13:41 pm (GMT) Saudi clerics to mull whether Syrian women can abort pregnancies from rape
Monday, 11 June 2012

The Saudi cleric, Ali al-Maliki, has said that Syrian women raped by forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad should have the right to undergo an abortion. (Al Arabiya) inShare1By Al Arabiya

Syrian women raped by gang-like militia or forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad should be allowed to undergo abortion according to a Saudi cleric.

Sheikh Ali al-Maliki described rape as one of the most heinous crimes against women and one that is worse than murder. “A body’s scars can heal but scars of the soul stay,” he told Al Arabiya.

His fatwa is the result of a heated debate between religious scholars in Saudi Arabia after families of rape victims from the bloody-conflict in Syria urged Islamic scholars to issue an edict allowing women to abort pregnancies that result from rape.

The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Abd al-Aziz al-Sheikh, is scheduled to meet with the Council of Senior Muslim Scholars in the next two days to cast a verdict on the subject.

“In my opinion the scholars in the kingdom will allow abortion in light of the calamities befallen on Syrian ... An honorable woman raped by Shabiha men cannot bear the birth of an illegitimate child,” he said.

Various Islamic schools of thoughts have differing opinions on abortion which vary from a complete ban on the procedure to allowing it under specific conditions, like within a designated period of the first trimester. If, for example, a pregnancy endangers the mother’s life, she is allowed to undergo an abortion according to one school of thought.

 

[ShyHijabi]

:salam2:

I don't see a problem with this. First trimester abortions are completely permissible in Islam if performed before the soul is breathed into the embryo. After that point the scholars agree it is permissible if for a reason of health (mental or physical) for the woman.

 

[elqouds2020]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
اللهم يارب أحفظ أخواتنا و مهاتنا و بناتنا من السوريين المسلمات العاففات و ااطاهرات أمين يارب .

 

[elqouds2020]

In the name of God the Merciful
Peace, mercy and blessings of Allah
O Lord save our sisters and our daughters and Mhatna of Syrian Muslim Avvat Aatahirat and Secretary of the Lord.

 

[elqouds2020]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
هذا من إختصاص العلماء حفظهم الله

 

[Perseveranze]

:salam2:

I don't see a problem with this. First trimester abortions are completely permissible in Islam if performed before the soul is breathed into the embryo. After that point the scholars agree it is permissible if for a reason of health (mental or physical) for the woman.

Clearly this is not going to be the case, that's why there's such controversy over the fatwa.

This is like Bosnia, and truthfully speaking, is not in accordance to Shariah. Because women were getting abortions and killing babies in the process well beyond the permissible period.

 

[Aapa]

Asalaam alaikum,

What are the statistics on the women raped. What are the dates that they were raped and the places where they took places.

 

[Abd_Al_Hadi]

Asalaam alaikum,

What are the statistics on the women raped. What are the dates that they were raped and the places where they took places.

1 victim is 100% of all women on this planet.

Aapa, are you saying that if the statistics were low we shouldn't acknowledge it?

Just out of curiosity, how old are you, Aapa?

 

[al-fajr]

Assalamu'alaykum,

..What are the dates that they were raped and the places where they took places.

I too am having trouble figuring why one would ask this question, unless you were a qadhi trying to determine who the blame was upon, but none of us are about to play that role or gain the ability to judge this accurately even if you got hold of the stats and stories; besides such a context there is no purpose in asking the question.

 

[Abu Talib]

There are no proper statistics as no journalist or independent bodies can go to these areas because of constant shelling. Doesn't mean rapes are not happening its the worst form of psychological weapon used even Gaddafi did it

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[Aapa]

Asalaam alaikum,

So, rape is happening but because of the shelling no-one can account for rape. Think people....men are being blamed for rape. That is serious.

But equally in order for justice to be carried out it has to be carried out in the context of facts and figures. You can not condemn a person without evidence.

You have two sisters who are writing about rape and abortion on a Muslim website and I ask a simple question to quantify the accusations. Bearing false witness is also a sin.

We have to have facts before we can come to a judgement How do you accuse someone of rape and not have evidence.

 

[al-fajr]

Asalaam alaikum,

So, rape is happening but because of the shelling no-one can account for rape. Think people....men are being blamed for rape. That is serious.

But equally in order for justice to be carried out it has to be carried out in the context of facts and figures. You can not condemn a person without evidence.

You have two sisters who are writing about rape and abortion on a Muslim website and I ask a simple question to quantify the accusations. Bearing false witness is also a sin.

We have to have facts before we can come to a judgement How do you accuse someone of rape and not have evidence.

Yes, this is an extremely serious situation however I'm more concerned for justice for the potential victims than the potential perpetrators.

But like I said, we're not delivering justice from where we're sitting, this is a situation of war and at the very least we know that rape is a weapon of war and has been throughout history.

Additionally, I don't think we're bearing 'false witness' to anything by merely receiving the news that this is happening through these media outlets, unless we were testifying in a court and there was a verdict at stake, then theres no need to take this to the level of accountability.

We do obviously have a choice if we believe it or not - it's important to verfiy news before acting on it.

wa-alaykum assalam

 

[Aapa]

Asalaam alaikum,

Yes, sister. We are receiving news. Now, if it is news than it should be backed by facts and numbers. Yes, we know rape is weapon. But if you are going to report on rape you have to have facts. How do you accuse someone of a crime when you can not identify the number of victims.

The news must be verified. Or else it is a matter of crying wolf. There is nothing here that has been verified.
So why are we discussing abortions?

 

[Aapa]

Asalaam alaikum,

For the love of Allah....stop it.

Now...here you are posting and telling the world that heinous crimes are being committed. And you want justification. Rightly so. But you have to have the evidence.

Without facts as to the the what where and why it may as well be tales. We have to have evidence of the numbers.

You want the support of the world; you want to right a wrong...but we have to know where the wrong was. You have to have evidence, that is all I am saying.

Please keep the offensive language out of the post. Would you call a Jewish fetus a parasite, no..so do not be offensive.

 

[Abd_Al_Hadi]

So we can safely assume that you deny the Holocaust because you simply did not witness it. Why aren't you an atheist, you super genius you?

 

[esperanza]

Asalaam alaikum,

For the love of Allah....stop it.

Now...here you are posting and telling the world that heinous crimes are being committed. And you want justification. Rightly so. But you have to have the evidence.

Without facts as to the the what where and why it may as well be tales. We have to have evidence of the numbers.

You want the support of the world; you want to right a wrong...but we have to know where the wrong was. You have to have evidence, that is all I am saying.

Please keep the offensive language out of the post. Would you call a Jewish fetus a parasite, no..so do not be offensive.

there are many evidences by numerous organisations this is not fabrication but fact..but you always try to avoid the truth.,,,,,,,,,,,especially invovling syria????????????????????????????

 

[Aapa]

Asalaam alaikum,

Post the allegations by the various groups, please. Post the facts sister.

I am not avoiding the truth. I am asking for verification of facts. When did these rapes happen, how many women have been raped, and how many of these women who have been raped have been abandoned by the families?

 

[MuslimShadow]

Asalaam alaikum,

Post the allegations by the various groups, please. Post the facts sister.

I am not avoiding the truth. I am asking for verification of facts. When did these rapes happen, how many women have been raped, and how many of these women who have been raped have been abandoned by the families?

Your point is taken.

I can only come up with this.

I wish ALLAH had blessed you with four daughters and not sons.Somehow your experiences are limited.

 

[Aapa]

Asalaam alaikum,

Allah is shy with His generosity. He gave me 13 daughters.



So are you going to post the facts or is this going to be one of those endless emotional going no-where threads where the self-righteous are justified in posting nothing.

What rapes? Back to point zero? What organizations have reported this? What are the numbers?

Has it occurred to any of you that if we have numbers posted and organizations that are reporting rapes some of us can actually get aid to these women. No!

Hadi , you are a Jew...I just figured that one out.

 

[Hard Rock Moslem]

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Assalamu'alaikum brother,

I'm truly sad the way you write.