Sexual abusein Irish Churches endemic

abubaseer

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O People of Book(Jews and Christians) donot go to the extremes in Religion


Irish church knew abuse 'endemic

An inquiry into child abuse at Catholic institutions in Ireland has found church leaders knew that sexual abuse was "endemic" in boys' institutions.

It also found physical and emotional abuse and neglect were features of institutions.

Schools were run "in a severe, regimented manner that imposed unreasonable and oppressive discipline on children and even on staff".

The nine-year inquiry investigated a 60-year period.

About 35,000 children were placed in a network of reformatories, industrial schools and workhouses up to the 1980s.

More than 2,000 told the Commission to Inquire Into Child Abuse they suffered physical and sexual abuse while there.

Police were called to the commission's news conference amid angry scenes as victims were prevented from attending.

Abuse 'endemic' at institutions

More allegations were made against the Christian Brothers than the other male orders combined.

More allegations were made against the Christian Brothers than the other male orders combined.

The report found child safety was not a priority for the Christian Brothers who ran the institutions, the order was defensive in its response to complaints and failed to accept any congregational responsibility for abuse.

Ritual beatings

The report said that girls supervised by orders of nuns, chiefly the Sisters of Mercy, suffered much less sexual abuse but frequent assaults and humiliation designed to make them feel worthless.

The five-volume study concluded that church officials encouraged ritual beatings and consistently shielded their orders' paedophiles from arrest amid a "culture of self-serving secrecy".

It also found that government inspectors failed to stop the chronic beatings, rapes and humiliation.

The reformatory and industrial schools depended on rigid control by means of severe corporal punishment and the fear of such punishment
Mr Justice Sean Ryan

The commission said overwhelming, consistent testimony from still-traumatized men and women, now in their 50s to 80s, had demonstrated beyond a doubt that the entire system treated children more like prison inmates and slaves than people with legal rights and human potential.

"The reformatory and industrial schools depended on rigid control by means of severe corporal punishment and the fear of such punishment," it said.

"The harshness of the regime was inculcated into the culture of the schools by successive generations of brothers, priests and nuns.

"It was systemic and not the result of individual breaches by persons who operated outside lawful and acceptable boundaries.

"Excesses of punishment generated the fear that the school authorities believed to be essential for the maintenance of order."

The report proposed 21 ways the government could recognise past wrongs, including building a permanent memorial, providing counselling and education to victims, and improving Ireland's current child protection services.

Its findings will not be used for criminal prosecutions - in part because the Christian Brothers successfully sued the commission in 2004 to keep the identities of all of its members, dead or alive, unnamed in the report.

No real names, whether of victims or perpetrators, appear in the final document.

Source --> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8059826.stm
 

vegangoth

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This is an unfair post. Yes they have had some bad priests over the ears and they have done some horrific things and the church covering it up is wrog but there human and humans suck!!! Even Muslims ( who are people of the book too) make mistakes.
 

abubaseer

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This is an unfair post. Yes they have had some bad priests over the ears and they have done some horrific things and the church covering it up is wrog but there human and humans suck!!! Even Muslims ( who are people of the book too) make mistakes.

Only first line of comment is mine...rest is a BBC report...Blame your British brethren ;)
 

massi

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This is an unfair post. Yes they have had some bad priests over the ears and they have done some horrific things and the church covering it up is wrog but there human and humans suck!!! Even Muslims ( who are people of the book too) make mistakes.
Yes you are right

Humans make mistakes


but

priests ....mmm it's weird ???????

these priest are putting themselves as Gods' represents
1*they have the right to forgive the sins
2*they have the right to be baptist ( if someone doesn't be baptist by the priest so he is not christian)
3*if the priest get angry on someone , he 'll be out of the church and heaven
4*they are holy without sins like angels ( in fact more then angels as their Master Paul says : they will judge the angels)
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vegangoth

Banned

Yes you are right

Humans make mistakes


but

priests ....mmm it's weird ???????

these priest are putting themselves as Gods' represents
1*they have the right to forgive the sins
2*they have the right to be baptist ( if someone doesn't be baptist by the priest so he is not christian)
3*if the priest get angry on someone , he 'll be out of the church and heaven
4*they are holy without sins like angels ( in fact more then angels as their Master Paul says : they will judge the angels)
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It was the very fact that the have that power that let them do that ( So i take your point lol) but they are still human and will be forgiven by God.

Nice pic of the westboro baptist church lot, they hate everyone! I'm not a fan lol
 

massi

Junior Member
It was the very fact that the have that power that let them do that ( So i take your point lol) but they are still human and will be forgiven by God.

Nice pic of the westboro baptist church lot, they hate everyone! I'm not a fan lol
uh , how they will be forgiven , you mean from the Devil Satan !!!
I can understand you when you beleive the abuse of children is the love in the Satan beleif !!!
 

vegangoth

Banned
uh , how they will be forgiven , you mean from the Devil Satan !!!
I can understand you when you beleive the abuse of children is the love in the Satan beleif !!!

I'm not realy understanding your post but I belive that the xian's belive that if they are sorry they will be forgiven by their God so I have no reason not to belive that their God will forigive the priest if he ask's for it.
 

vegangoth

Banned
exactly, britsh media sucks... but i really dont understand, that why do people believe them

Sure the media Sucks and they may have a one sided opinon sometimes but they couldn't have that if there wasn't anything to be outraged by. For exmaple to use the death threats by extremest muslims about the Teddy woman. If they hadn't been there and had hate filled placards then we would't have shown it on the TV. everone knows that bad news sells so it wouldn't have mattered that there was probebly protetsts against the angry muslims (by moderate muslims) So what we need is more people to make louder nosie than the extremests. that would make the news,hopefully.
 

allah is with me

Rabana Wa laqal Hamd
Sure the media Sucks and they may have a one sided opinon sometimes but they couldn't have that if there wasn't anything to be outraged by. For exmaple to use the death threats by extremest muslims about the Teddy woman. If they hadn't been there and had hate filled placards then we would't have shown it on the TV. everone knows that bad news sells so it wouldn't have mattered that there was probebly protetsts against the angry muslims (by moderate muslims) So what we need is more people to make louder nosie than the extremests. that would make the news,hopefully.

your right, and sometimes the media lies, a lot..... media, is something which is total filled with rubbishness... but sometimes media hleps, i heard... i have never seen any media been correct
 

abubaseer

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:salam2: brother,

We are supposed to conceal our sins and that of the others.

:wasalam:
:salam2:

True...

Does the report expose any individuals name ?

We should expose these people (the Rabbis and Priests of Jews and Christians) who have changed the Religion of Allah and have become ascetic(not marrying) even though Allah had not prescribed it...

And in doing so they have gone against the nature of a Human being...

Quran and Hadiths have examples of them being criticised and exposed...

Wallahu Aalam.

:salam2:
 

believer4life

soul searching...
whew i'm soo lucky

truly islam is perfect which is why we never here of (influencial) sheikhs and scholars doing that crap
alhamdullila i'm a muslim :wavyarms::wavyarms::wavyarms::holaaa::holaaa::SMILY34::SMILY34:
 

vegangoth

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truly islam is perfect which is why we never here of (influencial) sheikhs and scholars doing that crap
alhamdullila i'm a muslim :wavyarms::wavyarms::wavyarms::holaaa::holaaa::SMILY34::SMILY34:

Or they are just really good at hiding it after all the whole reason for the church to hide their acts was so as not to bring the church in to disrepute.
 

abubaseer

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Nope, good at hiding what ever it is they are hiding.

In my humble opinion, the primary reason we donot see such scandals among Muslim World is that

Islam highly discourages people from remainaing celibate and encourages people to marry.
So, the Muslims (including Schoars and Imaams) have their spouses to fulfill their natural needs. So they don't have to abuse kids for it.

Unlike Christain nuns and Priests...

Ofcourse there are some bad apples everywhere.

But, the problem is aggrevated in Christian Churches where Priests and nuns have to resort to such things to satisfy their natural needs in an illegitimate way...because they have imposed upon themselves things (Celibacy) which Allah never imposed on them.
 
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