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Yes! I love Allah!
They say show us that Allah exists.
There is nothing new of what people are asking to prove that Allah exists.
They asked to see Allah;-
4:153 (Asad) THE FOLLOWERS of the Old Testament demand of thee [O Prophet] that thou cause a revelation to be sent down to them from heaven. And an even greater thing than this did they demand of Moses when they said, "Make us see God face to face" - whereupon the thunderbolt of punishment overtook them for this their wickedness. After that, they took to worshipping the [golden] calf - and this after all evidence of the truth had come unto them! None the less, We effaced this [sin of theirs], and vouchsafed unto Moses a clear proof [of the truth],
They even asked why not have an angel come down;-
6:8 (Asad) They are saying, too, "Why has not an angel (visibly] been sent down unto him?" But had we sent down an angel, all would indeed have been decided, and they would have been allowed no further respite [for repentance.
As Allah stated in the Quran;-
5.114. Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O Allah our Lord! Send us from heaven a table set (with viands), that there may be for us - for the first and the last of us - a solemn festival and a sign from thee; and provide for our sustenance, for thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs)."
5.115. Allah said: "I will send it down unto you: But if any of you after that resisteth faith, I will punish him with a penalty such as I have not inflicted on any one among all the peoples."
As per above, if they saw Allah there would be no test.
There were some who did know of the Harut and Marut who taught people black magic, but they were tested and already knew they were angels, but as Devils they did not care about going to Paradise they were so jealous of others, and into gossip of others they wanted to break marriages apart. When a person is jealous, they fill their heads with it, and then run their lives with it. So this is proof that seeing something does not make you good. They did come in a guise of angels. They angels weren’t evil, but rather simple in their responses they did tell people that if you do this you will go to Hell. Its like if you tell someone all your gold is hidden in a house, and your gullible and you answer. These angels were asked how to cause trouble and they just answered instead of refusing.
Test
How else did they expect Islam to work? What did they think Allah was going to do? Show them all Paradise and then put them back into this world to see if they will be good? They can become arrogant about playing a sport, writing something, but when it comes to proving that they are the able to make it to Paradise they find that hard to comprehend why they need to prove themselves? Even asking others if they are qualified for a job, and even going as far as saying that you have to spend years to prove that you are qualified, so they are happy to make their lives about a job.
Saying we only believe what we see
They talk about what they can see, they are not going to be admitted to Paradise because they accept an orange is an orange, a tree that they saw is a tree, and when someone showed them an apple they accepted it as such.
Different from other beings-so why should we see Allah.
Humans were created, and even Satan was jealous of us. If humans just lived side by side with the rest of Allah’s creation in Heaven, then how are we going to prove that we are different to them?? We are proving that we can still be good without living in Heaven. Even the Jinn are not tested the same as Humans as it would be a harder test for them, so they are tested in their world under heaven (as explained in the Devils thread).
So what is the point of saying that you are doing well when you;-
1. Have completed a child’s crossword puzzle?
2. You have successfully run across a field, the same as a 7 year old?
3. You have successfully climbed a tree the same as a 7 year old?
Proving that we are better
So how can you prove that you are better when you are doing and going through the same as others. We Muslims are not arrogant and we are Allah’s servants, but the fact is that the humans have been created differently and we have a different way of showing that we are good to Allah, by being tested in this world. Which even the Jinn don’t have as this test, even the Devils used to eavesdrop on heaven and still try to. They were willing to go to Heaven just to listen to what is being said about the people in this world. They still did not care about entering Heaven and Paradise as typical sinners they chose the life of this world, similar to how some females like to gossip non-stop, instead of enjoying themselves in a goodly way, by remembering Allah and the Day of Judgement.
So not even the Devils are given this test, they live in their parallel world. If humans lived in their world we would not have a fair test. In their world they cannot hide behind good intentions, they are openly evil. They can’t pretend to be kind, and respecting people. Not like this world, were there are humans who do hide behind good intentions, but you choose who is good, by those that heed the warnings of Prophet Jesus, Muhammad, Moses, Noah peace be upon them.
What if you were in Paradise
These very people are already complaining having an impression about Islam being restrictive. Well what about if they were already living in Paradise, you wouldn’t have a yearning to drive a car, or use a computer, or visit McDonalds. As if you went lets say to the most beautiful place, you want to enjoy it, appreciate it. This world is only small in comparison to Paradise, but whatever you look at will be pleasing to the eye, not as people do in this world, they sometimes walk past trees and just find them boring.
But lets say they were in Paradise and lets say they did complain about living there, and complained they couldn’t express themselves and be the way they want to be. What should Allah do? He has provided them with the best of places and they aren’t happy about remembering Allah, and being his servant. So he has brought this down to this world’s test level. So you are rejecting Paradise and taking the path to Hell in this world. Again humans are different to other beings that Allah has created.
Clear proofs
They already know that Allah exists. As per my “No such things as Atheism” thread.
Allah has already taught them about what happened to the people of old. They become arrogant and even talk about anything to throw at Islam. Even Science, were they find out theories to throw at Islam, and then say we reject Islam because of so and so, but the fact is that they already rejected Islam before learning their scientific theories (which are naught in proving that they are right).
They deny that the homosexuals at the time of Prophet Lut peace be upon him were destroyed. Where they there, who are they to deny this, where is their proof, do they have their witnesses?? So they claim just like using science to deny something, but just as denying that people in the past got destroyed-they deny it quickly, without having any proof. Would it not be more acceptable to just say, I don’t know?
Its like those that were quick to say that Islam copies off Christianity and Judaism, no one came to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon when he was alive and said they are copying off them. Why shouldn’t Allah tell us about other Prophets he has sent, they do not belong to them, they belong to Allah.
Who are those who reject Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, but are willing to look at other people in history? Why did they not write about Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him when he was alive in this world, and why did they not continue to talk about him afterwards? IF they are so right, and accurate in their record keeping. Why did they neglect to write about the most influential Man in this world? As no one follows after Prophet Muhammad to this scale as anyone else, we even try and live as he had done, try and copy of his perfect manners. He has done more then any politician.
They try and claim innocent reasons, as they don’t know etc, so they can be treated as innocent, goodly people, nay they are the terrible people. Purposely even questioning Muslims to see if they will be unsure and change how they see Islam. They prefer for you to disbelieve as they disbelieve, they think to fool us, but they fool themselves and lead themselves to Hell.
6:70 (Asad) And leave to themselves all those who, beguiled by the life of this world, have made play and passing delights their religion;but remind [them] herewith that [in the life to come] every human being shall be held in pledge for whatever wrong he has done, and shall have none to protect him from God, and none to intercede for him; and though he offer any conceivable ransom, it shall not be accepted from him. It is [people such as] these that shall be held in pledge for the wrong they have done; for them there is [in the life to come] a draught of burning despair and grievous suffering awaits them because of their persistent refusal to acknowledge the truth.
So as above, instead of asking people to show you Allah, or angels etc. you have to prove that you are good enough to make it to Paradise, to be amongst the best in the next world, instead of wasting time seeing who can be best in business, science etc in this world.
There is nothing new of what people are asking to prove that Allah exists.
They asked to see Allah;-
4:153 (Asad) THE FOLLOWERS of the Old Testament demand of thee [O Prophet] that thou cause a revelation to be sent down to them from heaven. And an even greater thing than this did they demand of Moses when they said, "Make us see God face to face" - whereupon the thunderbolt of punishment overtook them for this their wickedness. After that, they took to worshipping the [golden] calf - and this after all evidence of the truth had come unto them! None the less, We effaced this [sin of theirs], and vouchsafed unto Moses a clear proof [of the truth],
They even asked why not have an angel come down;-
6:8 (Asad) They are saying, too, "Why has not an angel (visibly] been sent down unto him?" But had we sent down an angel, all would indeed have been decided, and they would have been allowed no further respite [for repentance.
As Allah stated in the Quran;-
5.114. Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O Allah our Lord! Send us from heaven a table set (with viands), that there may be for us - for the first and the last of us - a solemn festival and a sign from thee; and provide for our sustenance, for thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs)."
5.115. Allah said: "I will send it down unto you: But if any of you after that resisteth faith, I will punish him with a penalty such as I have not inflicted on any one among all the peoples."
As per above, if they saw Allah there would be no test.
There were some who did know of the Harut and Marut who taught people black magic, but they were tested and already knew they were angels, but as Devils they did not care about going to Paradise they were so jealous of others, and into gossip of others they wanted to break marriages apart. When a person is jealous, they fill their heads with it, and then run their lives with it. So this is proof that seeing something does not make you good. They did come in a guise of angels. They angels weren’t evil, but rather simple in their responses they did tell people that if you do this you will go to Hell. Its like if you tell someone all your gold is hidden in a house, and your gullible and you answer. These angels were asked how to cause trouble and they just answered instead of refusing.
Test
How else did they expect Islam to work? What did they think Allah was going to do? Show them all Paradise and then put them back into this world to see if they will be good? They can become arrogant about playing a sport, writing something, but when it comes to proving that they are the able to make it to Paradise they find that hard to comprehend why they need to prove themselves? Even asking others if they are qualified for a job, and even going as far as saying that you have to spend years to prove that you are qualified, so they are happy to make their lives about a job.
Saying we only believe what we see
They talk about what they can see, they are not going to be admitted to Paradise because they accept an orange is an orange, a tree that they saw is a tree, and when someone showed them an apple they accepted it as such.
Different from other beings-so why should we see Allah.
Humans were created, and even Satan was jealous of us. If humans just lived side by side with the rest of Allah’s creation in Heaven, then how are we going to prove that we are different to them?? We are proving that we can still be good without living in Heaven. Even the Jinn are not tested the same as Humans as it would be a harder test for them, so they are tested in their world under heaven (as explained in the Devils thread).
So what is the point of saying that you are doing well when you;-
1. Have completed a child’s crossword puzzle?
2. You have successfully run across a field, the same as a 7 year old?
3. You have successfully climbed a tree the same as a 7 year old?
Proving that we are better
So how can you prove that you are better when you are doing and going through the same as others. We Muslims are not arrogant and we are Allah’s servants, but the fact is that the humans have been created differently and we have a different way of showing that we are good to Allah, by being tested in this world. Which even the Jinn don’t have as this test, even the Devils used to eavesdrop on heaven and still try to. They were willing to go to Heaven just to listen to what is being said about the people in this world. They still did not care about entering Heaven and Paradise as typical sinners they chose the life of this world, similar to how some females like to gossip non-stop, instead of enjoying themselves in a goodly way, by remembering Allah and the Day of Judgement.
So not even the Devils are given this test, they live in their parallel world. If humans lived in their world we would not have a fair test. In their world they cannot hide behind good intentions, they are openly evil. They can’t pretend to be kind, and respecting people. Not like this world, were there are humans who do hide behind good intentions, but you choose who is good, by those that heed the warnings of Prophet Jesus, Muhammad, Moses, Noah peace be upon them.
What if you were in Paradise
These very people are already complaining having an impression about Islam being restrictive. Well what about if they were already living in Paradise, you wouldn’t have a yearning to drive a car, or use a computer, or visit McDonalds. As if you went lets say to the most beautiful place, you want to enjoy it, appreciate it. This world is only small in comparison to Paradise, but whatever you look at will be pleasing to the eye, not as people do in this world, they sometimes walk past trees and just find them boring.
But lets say they were in Paradise and lets say they did complain about living there, and complained they couldn’t express themselves and be the way they want to be. What should Allah do? He has provided them with the best of places and they aren’t happy about remembering Allah, and being his servant. So he has brought this down to this world’s test level. So you are rejecting Paradise and taking the path to Hell in this world. Again humans are different to other beings that Allah has created.
Clear proofs
They already know that Allah exists. As per my “No such things as Atheism” thread.
Allah has already taught them about what happened to the people of old. They become arrogant and even talk about anything to throw at Islam. Even Science, were they find out theories to throw at Islam, and then say we reject Islam because of so and so, but the fact is that they already rejected Islam before learning their scientific theories (which are naught in proving that they are right).
They deny that the homosexuals at the time of Prophet Lut peace be upon him were destroyed. Where they there, who are they to deny this, where is their proof, do they have their witnesses?? So they claim just like using science to deny something, but just as denying that people in the past got destroyed-they deny it quickly, without having any proof. Would it not be more acceptable to just say, I don’t know?
Its like those that were quick to say that Islam copies off Christianity and Judaism, no one came to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon when he was alive and said they are copying off them. Why shouldn’t Allah tell us about other Prophets he has sent, they do not belong to them, they belong to Allah.
Who are those who reject Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, but are willing to look at other people in history? Why did they not write about Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him when he was alive in this world, and why did they not continue to talk about him afterwards? IF they are so right, and accurate in their record keeping. Why did they neglect to write about the most influential Man in this world? As no one follows after Prophet Muhammad to this scale as anyone else, we even try and live as he had done, try and copy of his perfect manners. He has done more then any politician.
They try and claim innocent reasons, as they don’t know etc, so they can be treated as innocent, goodly people, nay they are the terrible people. Purposely even questioning Muslims to see if they will be unsure and change how they see Islam. They prefer for you to disbelieve as they disbelieve, they think to fool us, but they fool themselves and lead themselves to Hell.
6:70 (Asad) And leave to themselves all those who, beguiled by the life of this world, have made play and passing delights their religion;but remind [them] herewith that [in the life to come] every human being shall be held in pledge for whatever wrong he has done, and shall have none to protect him from God, and none to intercede for him; and though he offer any conceivable ransom, it shall not be accepted from him. It is [people such as] these that shall be held in pledge for the wrong they have done; for them there is [in the life to come] a draught of burning despair and grievous suffering awaits them because of their persistent refusal to acknowledge the truth.
So as above, instead of asking people to show you Allah, or angels etc. you have to prove that you are good enough to make it to Paradise, to be amongst the best in the next world, instead of wasting time seeing who can be best in business, science etc in this world.