something I found about the Armenians

[taxhonesty]

This was taken from http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/000118.html


I think the French owe Mr. Bernard Lewis an apology. How come a court is intervening in science? Mr. Lewis is a prestigeous and well known scholar.
Besides, the turkish military and Ottoman archives have just been opened up, and here is a incomplete list of the attrocities the armenians commited against the turks - the source is the Turkish Armed Forces archives, since they were the ones to get to the trouble spots whenever armenian militiamen were making "etnic cleansing" :
1910 Muş (10 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
21 February 1914 Kars-Ardahan (30 thousand civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1915 Van (44 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1915 Van (150 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1915 Bitlis (16 thousand civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1915 Muş (80 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1915 Bitlis-Hizan (113 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1915 Van (5 thousand 200 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
February 1915 Haskay (200 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
February 1915 Dutak (3 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
April 1915 Bitlis (29 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
April 1915 Muradiye (10 thousand civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
April 1915 Van (120 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
May 1915 Van (20 thousand civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
July 1915 Muş-Akçan (19 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
August 1915 Müküs (126 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
9 May 1915 Bitlis (40 thousand civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
9 May 1915 Bitlis (123 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
15 January 1916 Terme (9 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1 April 1916 Van-Reşadiye (15 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
May 1916 Muş (500 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
8 May 1916 Van-Tatvan(thousand 600 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
8 May 1916 Bitlis (10 thousand civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
8 May 1916 Pasinler (2 thousand civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
8 May 1916 Tercan (563 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
11 May 1916 Van (44 thousand 233 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
11 May 1916 Malazgirt (20 thousand civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
11 May 1916 Bitlis (12 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
22 May 1916 Van (thousand civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
22 May 1916 Köprüköy-Van (200 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
22 May 1916 Van (15 thousand civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
22 May 1916 Van (8 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
22 May 1916 Van (8 thousand civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
22 May 1916 Van (80 thousand civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
22 May 1916 Van (15 thousand civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
23 May 1916 Of (5 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
23 May 1916 Trabzon (2 thousand 86 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
23 May 1916 Van (3 yüz civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
25 May 1916 Bayezid (14 thousand civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
June 1916 Van-Abbasağa (14 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
June 1916 Edremid-Vastan (15 thousand civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
6 June 1916 Şatak-Serir (45 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
6 June 1916 Şatak (thousand 150 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
7 June 1916 Müküs-Serhan (121 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
14 August 1916 Bitlis (311 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1919 Sarıkamış (9 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1919 Tiksin-Ağadeve (5 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1919 Nahçivan (4 thousand civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
6 January 1919 Zaruşat (86 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
21 January 1919 Kilis (2 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
22 January 1919 Antep (1 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
25 January 1919 Kars (9 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
26 February 1919 Adana-Pozantı (4 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
18 May 1919 Osmaniye (1 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
13 June 1919 Pasinler (3 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
3 June 1919 Iğdır (8 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
July 1919 Sarıkamış (803 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
July 1919 Kurudere (8 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
July 1919 Sarıkamış (695 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
4 July 1919 Akçakale (180 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
5 July 1919 Kağızman (4 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
7 July 1919 Kars-Göle (9 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
8 July 1919 Mescitli (4 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
8 July 1919 Gülyantepe (10 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
9 July 1919 Kağızman (6 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
9 July 1919 Kurudere (8 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
11 July 1919 Mescitli (20 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
19 July 1919 Bulaklı (2 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
19 July 1919 Pasinler (2 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
24 July 1919 Kars-Kağızman (9 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
August 1919 Muhtelif köyler (2 thousand 502 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
15 August 1919 Erzurum (153 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
15 August 1919 Erzurum (426 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
September 1919 Allahüekber (3 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
9 September 1919 Ãœnye (12 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
14 September 1919 Sarıkamış (2 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
November 1919 Adana (4 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
11 November 1919 Maraş (2 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
6 November 1919 Ulukışla (7 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
7 December 1919 Adana (4 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1920 Göle (600 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1920 Kars (3 thousand 945 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1920 Haramivartan (138 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1920 Nahçivan (64 thousand 408 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1920 Nahçivan (5 thousand 307 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
February 1920 Kars civarı (561 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1 February 1920 Zaruşat (2 thousand 150 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
2 February 1920 Şuregel (thousand 150 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
10 February 1920 Çıldır (100 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
28 February 1920 Pozantı (40 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
9 March 1920 Zaruşat (400 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
9 March 1920 Zaruşat (120 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
16 March 1920 Kağızman (720 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
22 March 1920 Şuregel-Zaruşat (2 thousand civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
6 April 1920 Gümrü (500 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
28 April 1920 Kars (2 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
5 May 1920 Kars (thousand 774 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
22 May 1920 Kars (10 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
2 July 1920 Kars-Erzurum (408 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
2 July 1920 Zengebasar (thousand 500 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
27 July 1920 Erzurum (69 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
May 1920 Kars-Erzurum (27 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
August 1920 Oltu (650 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
August 1920 Kars-Erzurum (18 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
15 October 1920 Bayburt (thousand 387 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
20 October 1920 Göle (100 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
17 October 1920 Pasinler (9 thousand 287 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
18 October 1920 Tortum (3 thousand 700 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
19 October 1920 Erzurum (8 thousand 439 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
26 October 1920 Kars civarı (10 thousand 693)
October 1920 Aşkale (889 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1 December 1920 Kosor (69 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
3 December 1920 Göle (508 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
4 December 1920 Kosor (122 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
4 December 1920 Kars-Zeytun (28 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
4 December 1920 Sarıkamış (thousand 975 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
6 December 1920 Göle (194 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
7 December 1920 Kars-Digor (14 thousand 620 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
14 December 1920 Sarıkamış (5 thousand 337 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
29 November 1920 Zaruşat (thousand 26 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
December 1920 Erivan (192 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1921 Nahçivan (12 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1921 Bayburt (580 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1921 Arpaçay (148 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1921 Karakilise (6 thousand civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1921 Karakilise ( 6 thousand civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
February 1921 Zenibasar (18 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
21 November 1921 Pasinler (53 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
21 November 1921 Erzurum (thousand 215 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1918 Hınıs (870 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
1918 Tercan (580 civilian turks killed by armenian militia)
March 1922 Maraş (4 civilian turks killed by armenian militia).



if this is true then it completely changes what we think we know about the Armenian genocide. i have not verified it myself as of yet.

 

[Optimist]

The Armenian "massacre" is not proven. Waves of Armenians moved to Syria and Lebanon during WWI and there still sizeable minorities of them there until this day and age and they speak ARMENIAN as a first language even though they are like the 5th generation ... so much for the all the fuss about integration in the West.

Now the interesting thing is that these regions were governed by the Ottomans during that time .... to say that there was an Armenian holocaust is just silly. Would the Jew hide in Frankfurt or Berlin during WWII ?

Accoring to Wikipedia, the Ottoman Empire suffered the highest proportion of casualties in relation to the population (5 out of 20 millions) during WWI ... a very UNPUBLICISED fact.

 

[aynur7]

salam

Armenian massacre? Ridicilious. I'm from Azerbaijan.We know them better than everyone else.Until Islam rose,there were 2 big empires : Byzanty & Sasanyds.Armenians as christians were in allience with them also they mostly ived throughout the Sasani empire.When Turks made Byzans collapse and took power in Anadolu & everuwhere they began hating us. We say shahadah into newborn child's ear. They say : turk is ur enemy. They grow with this idea.
They genocided us trice i one century .First in 1905 : we both lived under Russian empire .There were public demostrations in Russia.Char was weakened. They killed many ppl in Baku.Russian empire was weak Armenians
did what they wanted. Second in 1918 : The Russian empire collapsed. Communists came. Azerbaijan became independent. We declared democratic republic.Germany declared republic after in 1919. Armenians of course couldn't bare this.They killed 200,000 ppl all over Azerbaijan.They wanted to swept us away from the map of Caucasus. They mutilated women
,cut their bellies and took unborn babies from there.If troops from Turkey hadn't come & save us what would happen only Allah knows. Third in 1988-1992 : Karabagh war. With weapons taken from Russian they massacred us again. Soviet Union collapsed so World was engaged on it. Now here in Azerbaijan there 1 billion refugees.600,000 from Armania. Others from invaded parts of Azerbaijan and they even not concidered as refugees.
Armenians have great lobby everywhere. Specially in in US , France, Russia.So it ignores 4 UN resolutions on Karabagh .(immediately withdrawal of troops)

 

[avartany]

Armenian Genocide

It is true that the Armenian citizens of the Ottoman Empire had an organized insurgency and killed Turks in the process. The Ottoman response, however, was to ANNIHILATE the entire Armenian population of the country. One set of killings was by a minority insurgency, and the other was an organized, pre-planned mass killings by a GOVERNMENT. That is what makes this a Genocide.

There were 2 million Armenians living in Anatolia in 1900 and by the 1920's there were only 100,000 left. Now there are NO Armenians in that region. That is killing of mass proportion and that is the Armenian Genocide.

 

[aynur7]

It is true that the Armenian citizens of the Ottoman Empire had an organized insurgency and killed Turks in the process. The Ottoman response, however, was to ANNIHILATE the entire Armenian population of the country. One set of killings was by a minority insurgency, and the other was an organized, pre-planned mass killings by a GOVERNMENT. That is what makes this a Genocide.

There were 2 million Armenians living in Anatolia in 1900 and by the 1920's there were only 100,000 left. Now there are NO Armenians in that region. That is killing of mass proportion and that is the Armenian Genocide.

Then what about Azeri genocide?