SPLITTING OF THE MOON
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talibulislam
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study quran with math lol
dr khalfa,who ever he is,is gona go crazy with his own study,understanding quran with his own math,quran also mention nationed destroyed b4 us way more advance in science so don't know what he is proving,plus he say sunnah & hadith all lies,prophet muhammad saww said time will come a belly full muslim,sitting on a couch is going to say quran ia enough for us we don't need sunnah,so ask them can u tell us from quran if the meat of donkey is halal or haram,may allah give all of us hidaya insha'allah
dr khalfa,who ever he is,is gona go crazy with his own study,understanding quran with his own math,quran also mention nationed destroyed b4 us way more advance in science so don't know what he is proving,plus he say sunnah & hadith all lies,prophet muhammad saww said time will come a belly full muslim,sitting on a couch is going to say quran ia enough for us we don't need sunnah,so ask them can u tell us from quran if the meat of donkey is halal or haram,may allah give all of us hidaya insha'allah
Assalamu Alaykum,
I removed the Link to that website. They are Quranites, people who only follow the Quran and not the Hadith. They follow the Quran using their own philosophies and intellects and twist Allah's words.
They reject the Hadith of our beloved Messenger
in clear contradiction to the pure teachings of Islam.
All this because they are ignorant of Islam. Ignorant of the science of hadith.
The Scholars are unanimous that such people are disbelievers. Any Muslim that rejects Hadith (sayings and actions of the Prophet) is a disbeliever. He or she is not Muslim.
I would be weary of anyone who starts talking about Mathematics and the Quran, they do not know what they are talking about!! The Quran is clear proof upon mankind.
A lot of Fiqh, Islamic jurisprudence come from the Hadith. For example, the way we pray, do Wudhu (ablution) etc. There are no verses in the Quran regarding this. Thats why Hadith is so important for Muslims.
"The Quran only" doctrine flies in the face of what the Quran itself instructs us as well as what the Prophet taught us, and also goes against what the first few generations of Muslims practised. You will find a lot of these so called groups have leaders who call themselves Prophets! Astaghfirullah, such as Ghulam Ahmad....
Many so called Modernists also reject hadith. Its clearly not the way for a Muslim to go. Islam as based on Quran and the Sunnah, is what makes Muslims modern. Its the people who do not follow it properly or reject it who are backwards.
"It is not befitting for a believing man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger, to have any option about their decision." [Soorah al-Ahzaab (33):36]
Its pretty explanatory in the Quran, with regards the Sunnah. Without which a person would not know how to perform prayers, how to do the pilgrimage, the rules regarding marriage and divorce etc etc. These are all to be found in the sunnah.
I recommend you watch the following video if you have not done so:
Importance of sticking to Quran and sunnah, avoiding Cults and sects.
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65
The most important part of Islam for a Muslim is the Shahada. Without which nobody can be a believer. "To bear witness that Allah is the only deity worthy of Worship, and that Muhammad was his last and final Messenger"
Accordingly, we must believe in the Sunnah of the Prophet. This is what the last section of the Shahada necessitates. The sunnah being the words, actions and approval of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
Also, our Love for God means we obey the Quran, which clearly shows in many places that we must also follow what the Prophet Muhammad taught. For the Prophet did not teach anything other than what he was taught from Allah (most high).
Not taking the hadith, is therefore a big sin, called kufr (minor disbelief). Which can lead one to Disbelief. Disbelieving in a hadith is total kufr, which takes one out of Islam.
Islam is complete religion, Allah says in the Quran:
This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. - [Quran 05:03]
Therefore, no matter if there are weak hadeeth(of which there are varying levels) it has no affect on Islam. All the evidence and everything we need to know to follow Islam is there, for us, as clear as the night and day.
As pointed out in my post on the forum, the Quran itself explains the existance of the Sunnah.
The Quran also tells us to go to the people of knowledge, i.e. the Scholars, if we ourselves do not know something.
Another important point is that the Sunnah explains the Quran. A lot of classical tafsir (Quranic exegisis, such as at-Tabari etc) are based upon Hadith.
Unfortunately, there have been some strange groups during the last 200-300 years with ideas which contradict Islam. Changing Islam to suit their own view points. Many of whom, used this as an opportunity to belittle the Quran and the Prophet
by proclaiming themselves to be Prophets.
Not having the sunnah, would lead to the rejection of other Islamic sources and viewpoints. All this can lead to innovation in the religion, if not total abandonment of islamic practises.
Nevertheless, even from a technical standpoint their views fail to be valid.
It is not upon us to look for weak hadith or concern ourself with checking hadith. This is for the scholars of Hadith to do. Hadith checking, analysing and research is a Science. There are many rules and issues involved in this field. There are over 100 different branches of knowledge simply in this one field of Science of Hadith. And each of those branches requires immense study and will have a 100s of books dedicated to it.
Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim and many other great scholars of the past were experts in all these fields! They spent years travelling gathering hadith and making compilation of the hadeeth into a set series of Hadeeth books.
This has vastly improved our Islamic resources and aided many scholars in their works after them.
Islam is easy and simple to follow. All our actions can be traced back to the Quran and the Hadith. Whether or not a hadith is used that is authentic is not such an issue in practise, because of the scholarly works that do exist that point out the flaws in any chain of narration. etc.
One merely has to accept correction when presented with concrete reliable evidence.
InshaAllah, things will soon clear up for you and you will realise how Hadith are and how things work in Islam. And how simple Islam is!
I ask Allah to help us all and keep us on the right way.
If you do have any more questions, inshaallah i will do my best to answer and help out.
The Following is a good link, it talks about how many of the Prophets who came before did not have a specific book revealed to them to give to their followers, such as the Bible, Torah and Quran. Therefore, the followers of those Prophets had to be following the Sunnah of those Prophets. Please do read it,
That which has been Revealed to us, The importance of the Sunnah
Wasalam.
.
I removed the Link to that website. They are Quranites, people who only follow the Quran and not the Hadith. They follow the Quran using their own philosophies and intellects and twist Allah's words.
They reject the Hadith of our beloved Messenger
in clear contradiction to the pure teachings of Islam. All this because they are ignorant of Islam. Ignorant of the science of hadith.
The Scholars are unanimous that such people are disbelievers. Any Muslim that rejects Hadith (sayings and actions of the Prophet
) is a disbeliever. He or she is not Muslim.I would be weary of anyone who starts talking about Mathematics and the Quran, they do not know what they are talking about!! The Quran is clear proof upon mankind.
A lot of Fiqh, Islamic jurisprudence come from the Hadith. For example, the way we pray, do Wudhu (ablution) etc. There are no verses in the Quran regarding this. Thats why Hadith is so important for Muslims.
"The Quran only" doctrine flies in the face of what the Quran itself instructs us as well as what the Prophet
taught us, and also goes against what the first few generations of Muslims practised. You will find a lot of these so called groups have leaders who call themselves Prophets! Astaghfirullah, such as Ghulam Ahmad.... Many so called Modernists also reject hadith. Its clearly not the way for a Muslim to go. Islam as based on Quran and the Sunnah, is what makes Muslims modern. Its the people who do not follow it properly or reject it who are backwards.
"It is not befitting for a believing man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger, to have any option about their decision." [Soorah al-Ahzaab (33):36]
Its pretty explanatory in the Quran, with regards the Sunnah. Without which a person would not know how to perform prayers, how to do the pilgrimage, the rules regarding marriage and divorce etc etc. These are all to be found in the sunnah.
I recommend you watch the following video if you have not done so:
Importance of sticking to Quran and sunnah, avoiding Cults and sects.
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65
The most important part of Islam for a Muslim is the Shahada. Without which nobody can be a believer. "To bear witness that Allah is the only deity worthy of Worship, and that Muhammad was his last and final Messenger"
Accordingly, we must believe in the Sunnah of the Prophet. This is what the last section of the Shahada necessitates. The sunnah being the words, actions and approval of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
Also, our Love for God means we obey the Quran, which clearly shows in many places that we must also follow what the Prophet Muhammad taught. For the Prophet did not teach anything other than what he was taught from Allah (most high).
Not taking the hadith, is therefore a big sin, called kufr (minor disbelief). Which can lead one to Disbelief. Disbelieving in a hadith is total kufr, which takes one out of Islam.
Islam is complete religion, Allah says in the Quran:
This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. - [Quran 05:03]
Therefore, no matter if there are weak hadeeth(of which there are varying levels) it has no affect on Islam. All the evidence and everything we need to know to follow Islam is there, for us, as clear as the night and day.
As pointed out in my post on the forum, the Quran itself explains the existance of the Sunnah.
The Quran also tells us to go to the people of knowledge, i.e. the Scholars, if we ourselves do not know something.
Another important point is that the Sunnah explains the Quran. A lot of classical tafsir (Quranic exegisis, such as at-Tabari etc) are based upon Hadith.
Unfortunately, there have been some strange groups during the last 200-300 years with ideas which contradict Islam. Changing Islam to suit their own view points. Many of whom, used this as an opportunity to belittle the Quran and the Prophet
by proclaiming themselves to be Prophets.
Not having the sunnah, would lead to the rejection of other Islamic sources and viewpoints. All this can lead to innovation in the religion, if not total abandonment of islamic practises.
Nevertheless, even from a technical standpoint their views fail to be valid.
It is not upon us to look for weak hadith or concern ourself with checking hadith. This is for the scholars of Hadith to do. Hadith checking, analysing and research is a Science. There are many rules and issues involved in this field. There are over 100 different branches of knowledge simply in this one field of Science of Hadith. And each of those branches requires immense study and will have a 100s of books dedicated to it.
Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim and many other great scholars of the past were experts in all these fields! They spent years travelling gathering hadith and making compilation of the hadeeth into a set series of Hadeeth books.
This has vastly improved our Islamic resources and aided many scholars in their works after them.
Islam is easy and simple to follow. All our actions can be traced back to the Quran and the Hadith. Whether or not a hadith is used that is authentic is not such an issue in practise, because of the scholarly works that do exist that point out the flaws in any chain of narration. etc.
One merely has to accept correction when presented with concrete reliable evidence.
InshaAllah, things will soon clear up for you and you will realise how Hadith are and how things work in Islam. And how simple Islam is!
I ask Allah to help us all and keep us on the right way.
If you do have any more questions, inshaallah i will do my best to answer and help out.
The Following is a good link, it talks about how many of the Prophets who came before did not have a specific book revealed to them to give to their followers, such as the Bible, Torah and Quran. Therefore, the followers of those Prophets had to be following the Sunnah of those Prophets. Please do read it,
That which has been Revealed to us, The importance of the Sunnah
Wasalam.
.
Assalamualaykum,
I guess the website being erased is one of the anti-hadith websites in the net. Yeah, they are definately out of the right path. I think the muslim today have to go back to Quran and sunnah to be strong again. Thus the hadith is extremely important.
However, the problem is how to choose? How to differenciate which one is weak or even false hadith? I was told that we should follow the fatwa from the scholars as we are not an expert to analyze the hadith and figure out what to do. The fact is that there are many fatwas out there by many scholars. How do I know which one is reliable? I came across with fatwas that are contradictive among themselves. I sometimes really get confused. I will be most appreciate if anyone here in TTI could share with me how to choose the reliable fatwa or hadith.
I can`t trust any fatwa or statement from frens until I am very sure that it is reliable. But sometimes it is just difficult to make sure. Most of my frens they said don`t care...just follow the majority...Am I too suspicious or they are too careless...?I confused...
I guess the website being erased is one of the anti-hadith websites in the net. Yeah, they are definately out of the right path. I think the muslim today have to go back to Quran and sunnah to be strong again. Thus the hadith is extremely important.
However, the problem is how to choose? How to differenciate which one is weak or even false hadith? I was told that we should follow the fatwa from the scholars as we are not an expert to analyze the hadith and figure out what to do. The fact is that there are many fatwas out there by many scholars. How do I know which one is reliable? I came across with fatwas that are contradictive among themselves. I sometimes really get confused. I will be most appreciate if anyone here in TTI could share with me how to choose the reliable fatwa or hadith.
I can`t trust any fatwa or statement from frens until I am very sure that it is reliable. But sometimes it is just difficult to make sure. Most of my frens they said don`t care...just follow the majority...Am I too suspicious or they are too careless...?I confused...
Dr Rahied Khalifa
Brother and sisters Asalaamu Alykum
Please be advised that the mathematics of the above mentioned Dr. must be used with caution, if at all. According to the IPC (Islamic Progation Centre) started by Sheihk Ahmad Deedat, the Dr. made a statement that certain of his calculation could not be proven, not because they were wrong, but that the Quran is wrong, that Prophet Muhhammad (SAW) left out some words thus if it would be added his mathematics would tally......
This is shirk.... Subaghaan-Allah!
He has also release a very flowery in speak english translation of Quran also claiming that previous translators (Yusuf Ali / Shakir / Pickthall) don't know Arabic and thus their translations are inaccurate. I don't know if he added these suposedly missing words in his version of the Quran. So, Please access with caution!
Shukran
Brother and sisters Asalaamu Alykum
Please be advised that the mathematics of the above mentioned Dr. must be used with caution, if at all. According to the IPC (Islamic Progation Centre) started by Sheihk Ahmad Deedat, the Dr. made a statement that certain of his calculation could not be proven, not because they were wrong, but that the Quran is wrong, that Prophet Muhhammad (SAW) left out some words thus if it would be added his mathematics would tally......
This is shirk.... Subaghaan-Allah!
He has also release a very flowery in speak english translation of Quran also claiming that previous translators (Yusuf Ali / Shakir / Pickthall) don't know Arabic and thus their translations are inaccurate. I don't know if he added these suposedly missing words in his version of the Quran. So, Please access with caution!
Shukran
faiz_fauzi
Junior Member
Assalamualaikum!
Internet is dangerous.Just follow ur local fatwa and scholar.It is more convincing and reliable!
JazakALLAHU Khair!
Internet is dangerous.Just follow ur local fatwa and scholar.It is more convincing and reliable!
JazakALLAHU Khair!
junaid hasan
Banned
assalamualikum brother
i want also to give a suggetion that ,please please for god sack dont try to search about islam in internet
if you know a better site than go it
but dont try to search anything
because there are a lot of anti-islam website (auju-billahiminashshaitoanir rajim)
then you will get also a some bad thinking about islam which try shaitan to bring in our mind
so dont give any chance to shaitan to bring us in a false way
jaza kumullahu khair
i want also to give a suggetion that ,please please for god sack dont try to search about islam in internet
if you know a better site than go it
but dont try to search anything
because there are a lot of anti-islam website (auju-billahiminashshaitoanir rajim)
then you will get also a some bad thinking about islam which try shaitan to bring in our mind
so dont give any chance to shaitan to bring us in a false way
jaza kumullahu khair
NewMuslim
Slave of Allah
Assalaamu Alaykum
Have some respect for the man! Don't call him "crazy" or "stupid". He got stabbed 29 times in the 1990s and got killed at the Mosque he used to always go to. Allah (SWT) commands us to have respect for the dead.
Anyways, his math secret for 19 in the Qur'an is faulty. If you look closely at one Surahs, he added one more letter to one of the letter secrets (like ALIF LAAM MIM he makes it ALIF LAAM MIM RAA (just an example). Also, he changed the outline of the Surah to help fit in his letter change.
He also has a faulty translation of the Noble Qur'an (he took out the last 2 ayat in Surah 9 claiming they were "Satanic"). Also know that he's a Hadith Rejector and he's an unorthodox translator (for he changes the meaning of the Qur'an completely in some spots).
He DOES, however, CORRECTLY translate "dahaba" in the Qur'an (in some verse, I'll have to check). Dahaba translates as Egg, making the verse say: "And He made the Earth Egg-shaped", contributing to yet another miracle in the Qur'an (think: Ostrich Egg).
Have some respect for the man! Don't call him "crazy" or "stupid". He got stabbed 29 times in the 1990s and got killed at the Mosque he used to always go to. Allah (SWT) commands us to have respect for the dead.
Anyways, his math secret for 19 in the Qur'an is faulty. If you look closely at one Surahs, he added one more letter to one of the letter secrets (like ALIF LAAM MIM he makes it ALIF LAAM MIM RAA (just an example). Also, he changed the outline of the Surah to help fit in his letter change.
He also has a faulty translation of the Noble Qur'an (he took out the last 2 ayat in Surah 9 claiming they were "Satanic"). Also know that he's a Hadith Rejector and he's an unorthodox translator (for he changes the meaning of the Qur'an completely in some spots).
He DOES, however, CORRECTLY translate "dahaba" in the Qur'an (in some verse, I'll have to check). Dahaba translates as Egg, making the verse say: "And He made the Earth Egg-shaped", contributing to yet another miracle in the Qur'an (think: Ostrich Egg).
Basicofislam
sister
:salam2: Dear brother Mabsoot you said that this person ( scholor)is not a muslim.It is wrong to say that. He believes in Allah and the prophets and that makes him a muslim. But does he follow Islam correctly that is a different issue. And we are not here to judge cause only Allah has the right to judge.We follow the way that we feel is correct.
faiz_fauzi
Junior Member
Assalamualaikum!
It he is an anti-hadith so he doesn't beleive in prophet Muhammad S.A.W.So his syahada is rejected.Muslims beleive in ALLAH and Prophet Muhamad is the messenger if he just beleive in ALLAH but not his messenger how can he be a muslim?
Allah knows best!
It he is an anti-hadith so he doesn't beleive in prophet Muhammad S.A.W.So his syahada is rejected.Muslims beleive in ALLAH and Prophet Muhamad is the messenger if he just beleive in ALLAH but not his messenger how can he be a muslim?
Allah knows best!