Sunnah and Hadith
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"And whatever the Messenger gives you, take it, and whatever he forbids you, leave it. And fear Allah: truly Allah is severe in punishment. " [Quran 59:7]
Say: "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away, he (Messenger Muhammad saaws) is only responsible for the duty placed on him (i.e. to convey Allah's Message) and you for that placed on you. If you obey him, you shall be on the right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to convey (the message) in a clear way (i.e. to preach in a plain way)." (Quran 24:54):
Allaah's Messenger
gave us an admonition which caused the eyes to shed tears and the hearts to fear, so we said, "O Messenger of Allaah, this is as if it were a farewell sermon, so with what do you counsel us?" So he said: "I have left you upon clear proof , its night is like its day, no one deviates from it except one who is destroyed, and whoever lives long from amongst you will see great controversy. So stick to what you know from my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the orthodox, rightly-guided caliphs - cling to that with your molar teeth, and stick to obedience even if it is to an Abyssinian slave, since the believer is like a submissive camel, wherever he is led, he follows" [Ahmad (4/126), Ibn Maajah (no. 43), al-Haakim (1/96) and others - Hasan]
Therefore, the authentic Hadith must be obeyed and believed in.
Please see below for more information about Science of Hadith
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1392
thanks.
Say: "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away, he (Messenger Muhammad saaws) is only responsible for the duty placed on him (i.e. to convey Allah's Message) and you for that placed on you. If you obey him, you shall be on the right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to convey (the message) in a clear way (i.e. to preach in a plain way)." (Quran 24:54):
Allaah's Messenger
gave us an admonition which caused the eyes to shed tears and the hearts to fear, so we said, "O Messenger of Allaah, this is as if it were a farewell sermon, so with what do you counsel us?" So he said: "I have left you upon clear proof , its night is like its day, no one deviates from it except one who is destroyed, and whoever lives long from amongst you will see great controversy. So stick to what you know from my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the orthodox, rightly-guided caliphs - cling to that with your molar teeth, and stick to obedience even if it is to an Abyssinian slave, since the believer is like a submissive camel, wherever he is led, he follows" [Ahmad (4/126), Ibn Maajah (no. 43), al-Haakim (1/96) and others - Hasan] Therefore, the authentic Hadith must be obeyed and believed in.
Please see below for more information about Science of Hadith
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1392
thanks.
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The science of hadeeth is something that the major scholars deal with. Alhamdulilah there are many books and compilations which have been produced by the great scholars of the past in which they have tried to gather hadeeth which have met stringent conditions that they laid down. These conditions were the foundations of the science of hadeeth. Famous hadeeth collections such as Bukhari and Muslim had the strictest rules and are considered as authentic. They are commonly referred to as 'As-Saheehain' - the two authentic collections. Other hadeeth scholars were not as strict in imposing conditions upon the hadeeth and included hadeeth that were not included by Bukhari and Muslim. As you may have discovered by now after reading this summary that the science of hadeeth is quite deep and detailed, and only those at the top of their specialisation in hadeeth attempt to judge the authenticity of hadeeth.
Hadeeth have been checked and verified meticulously for over 1,000 years. Some of these have been judged as authentic and will be referenced as such. The hadeeth that are said to be weak will also have been checked and marked as daeef or weak. Generally, it is good practice to check the source of a hadeeth and look to see if it is 'saheeh' authentic or 'daeef' weak. Most modern books have references to the hadeeth and mark the authenticity of the hadeeth based upon the research of the scholars before us.
May Allah increase us in beneficial knowledge. Ameen. For more information refer to the links in Mabsoot's post.
The science of hadeeth is something that the major scholars deal with. Alhamdulilah there are many books and compilations which have been produced by the great scholars of the past in which they have tried to gather hadeeth which have met stringent conditions that they laid down. These conditions were the foundations of the science of hadeeth. Famous hadeeth collections such as Bukhari and Muslim had the strictest rules and are considered as authentic. They are commonly referred to as 'As-Saheehain' - the two authentic collections. Other hadeeth scholars were not as strict in imposing conditions upon the hadeeth and included hadeeth that were not included by Bukhari and Muslim. As you may have discovered by now after reading this summary that the science of hadeeth is quite deep and detailed, and only those at the top of their specialisation in hadeeth attempt to judge the authenticity of hadeeth.
Hadeeth have been checked and verified meticulously for over 1,000 years. Some of these have been judged as authentic and will be referenced as such. The hadeeth that are said to be weak will also have been checked and marked as daeef or weak. Generally, it is good practice to check the source of a hadeeth and look to see if it is 'saheeh' authentic or 'daeef' weak. Most modern books have references to the hadeeth and mark the authenticity of the hadeeth based upon the research of the scholars before us.
May Allah increase us in beneficial knowledge. Ameen. For more information refer to the links in Mabsoot's post.
I am a new convert so please be patient with me as I learn.
For the sake of argument, let's say the scholars make a mistake and accept a flase hadith as a true one. As long as the false hadith does not contradict the Holy Koran will we be safe on the day of judgement as long as we followed the erroneous hadith honestly intending to do good?
When I wrote "flase hadith" in the post above I meant to say "false hadith".
For the sake of argument, let's say the scholars make a mistake and accept a flase hadith as a true one. As long as the false hadith does not contradict the Holy Koran will we be safe on the day of judgement as long as we followed the erroneous hadith honestly intending to do good?
When I wrote "flase hadith" in the post above I meant to say "false hadith".
Assalamu Alaykum BH, do not worry we are all here to learn and to discuss these matters with each other. Alhamdulilah. All Praise is to Allah.B.H. said:
If someone follows a hadith which is daeef or (weak) without knowing, then that person is not sinful. Islam is easy in this regard, You cant be sinful for something you did not know about. From accepting a weak hadith through to eating something haram when you did not know.
There are many Muslims in different parts of the world, and unfortunately some who are taught by people with incorrect understanding of Islam, so they may use weak hadith to support their views. For example, some of these hadith pertain to the way we pray etc... If someone was to come to them or to anyone else with a clear evidence showing that the hadith they use is weak, or for example a clear authentic hadith is shown, then it is upon them to change.
Otherwise, they would sin. Because they would be sticking to what they were taught by their parents, Imams etc and not to what the Prophet
himself taught.It is Not Permissible to Mention Weak Hadith Unless its weakness is made clear
Wasalam, feel free to ask any more questions. May Allah help us all, and forgive us for any mistakes....
I have read that there are Muslims who follow only the Holy Qur'an though most follow Sunnah and Hadith.
Can anyone give me a few links to the "Qur'an only" arguments. I can find enough defending the Sunnah and Hadith on my own but am having a time finding a defense of the Qur'an only doctrine.
Also, if possible, can anyone provide a historiography of the "Qur'an Only" brethren?
Can anyone give me a few links to the "Qur'an only" arguments. I can find enough defending the Sunnah and Hadith on my own but am having a time finding a defense of the Qur'an only doctrine.
Also, if possible, can anyone provide a historiography of the "Qur'an Only" brethren?
B.H. said:
Assalamu Alaykum,
Im afraid i can not do that, it would not be right for me to direct you to those sorts of websites.
Majority of the Scholars are unanimous that those people who reject hadith of the Prophet
and only take from Quran are not Muslims.A lot of Fiqh, Islamic jurisprudence come from the Hadith. For example, the way we pray, do Wudhu (ablution) etc. There are no verses in the Quran regarding this. Thats why Hadith is so important for Muslims.
"The Quran only" doctrine flies in the face of what the Quran itself instructs us as well as what the Prophet
taught us, and also goes against what the first few generations of Muslims practised. You will find a lot of these so called groups have leaders who call themselves Prophets! Astaghfirullah, such as Ghulam Ahmad.... Many so called Modernists also reject hadith. Its clearly not the way for a Muslim to go. Islam as based on Quran and the Sunnah, is what makes Muslims modern. Its the people who do not follow it properly or reject it who are backwards.
"It is not befitting for a believing man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger, to have any option about their decision." [Soorah al-Ahzaab (33):36]
Its pretty explanatory in the Quran, with regards the Sunnah. Without which a person would not know how to perform prayers, how to do the pilgrimage, the rules regarding marriage and divorce etc etc. These are all to be found in the sunnah.
I recommend you watch the following video if you have not done so:
Importance of sticking to Quran and sunnah, avoiding Cults and sects.
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65
Wasalam
Ameer.
Asalamu Alaykum, i wish to clarify this issue more:
Firstly, the most important part of Islam for a Muslim is the Shahada. Without which nobody can be a believer. "To bear witness that Allah is the only deity worthy of Worship, and that Muhammad was his last and final Messenger"
Accordingly, we must believe in the Sunnah of the Prophet. This is what the last section of the Shahada necessitates. The sunnah being the words, actions and approval of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
Also, our Love for God means we obey the Quran, which clearly shows in many places that we must also follow what the Prophet Muhammad taught. For the Prophet did not teach anything other than what he was taught from Allah (most high).
Not taking the hadith, is therefore a big sin, called kufr (minor disbelief). Which can lead one to Disbelief. Disbelieving in a hadith is total kufr, which takes one out of Islam.
Islam is complete religion, Allah says in the Quran:
This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. - [Quran 05:03]
Therefore, no matter if there are weak hadeeth(of which there are varying levels) it has no affect on Islam. All the evidence and everything we need to know to follow Islam is there, for us, as clear as the night and day.
As pointed out in my post on the forum, the Quran itself explains the existance of the Sunnah.
The Quran also tells us to go to the people of knowledge, i.e. the Scholars, if we ourselves do not know something.
Another important point is that the Sunnah explains the Quran. A lot of classical tafsir (Quranic exegisis, such as at-Tabari etc) are based upon Hadith.
Unfortunately, there have been some strange groups during the last 200-300 years with ideas which contradict Islam. Changing Islam to suit their own view points. Many of whom, used this as an opportunity to belittle the Quran and the Prophet
by proclaiming themselves to be Prophets.
Not having the sunnah, would lead to the rejection of other Islamic sources and viewpoints. All this can lead to innovation in the religion, if not total abandonment of islamic practises.
Nevertheless, even from a technical standpoint their views fail to be valid.
It is not upon us to look for weak hadith or concern ourself with checking hadith. This is for the scholars of Hadith to do. Hadith checking, analysing and research is a Science. There are many rules and issues involved in this field. There are over 100 different branches of knowledge simply in this one field of Science of Hadith. And each of those branches requires immense study and will have a 100s of books dedicated to it.
Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim and many other great scholars of the past were experts in all these fields! They spent years travelling gathering hadith and making compilation of the hadeeth into a set series of Hadeeth books.
This has vastly improved our Islamic resources and aided many scholars in their works after them.
Islam is easy and simple to follow. All our actions can be traced back to the Quran and the Hadith. Whether or not a hadith is used that is authentic is not such an issue in practise, because of the scholarly works that do exist that point out the flaws in any chain of narration. etc.
One merely has to accept correction when presented with concrete reliable evidence.
InshaAllah, things will soon clear up for you and you will realise how Hadith are and how things work in Islam. And how simple Islam is!
I ask Allah to help us all and keep us on the right way.
If you do have any more questions, inshaallah i will do my best to answer and help out.
The Following is a good link, it talks about how many of the Prophets who came before did not have a specific book revealed to them to give to their followers, such as the Bible, Torah and Quran. Therefore, the followers of those Prophets had to be following the Sunnah of those Prophets. Please do read it,
That which has been Revealed to us, The importance of the Sunnah
Wasalam.
Ameer.
Firstly, the most important part of Islam for a Muslim is the Shahada. Without which nobody can be a believer. "To bear witness that Allah is the only deity worthy of Worship, and that Muhammad was his last and final Messenger"
Accordingly, we must believe in the Sunnah of the Prophet. This is what the last section of the Shahada necessitates. The sunnah being the words, actions and approval of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
Also, our Love for God means we obey the Quran, which clearly shows in many places that we must also follow what the Prophet Muhammad taught. For the Prophet did not teach anything other than what he was taught from Allah (most high).
Not taking the hadith, is therefore a big sin, called kufr (minor disbelief). Which can lead one to Disbelief. Disbelieving in a hadith is total kufr, which takes one out of Islam.
Islam is complete religion, Allah says in the Quran:
This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. - [Quran 05:03]
Therefore, no matter if there are weak hadeeth(of which there are varying levels) it has no affect on Islam. All the evidence and everything we need to know to follow Islam is there, for us, as clear as the night and day.
As pointed out in my post on the forum, the Quran itself explains the existance of the Sunnah.
The Quran also tells us to go to the people of knowledge, i.e. the Scholars, if we ourselves do not know something.
Another important point is that the Sunnah explains the Quran. A lot of classical tafsir (Quranic exegisis, such as at-Tabari etc) are based upon Hadith.
Unfortunately, there have been some strange groups during the last 200-300 years with ideas which contradict Islam. Changing Islam to suit their own view points. Many of whom, used this as an opportunity to belittle the Quran and the Prophet
by proclaiming themselves to be Prophets.
Not having the sunnah, would lead to the rejection of other Islamic sources and viewpoints. All this can lead to innovation in the religion, if not total abandonment of islamic practises.
Nevertheless, even from a technical standpoint their views fail to be valid.
It is not upon us to look for weak hadith or concern ourself with checking hadith. This is for the scholars of Hadith to do. Hadith checking, analysing and research is a Science. There are many rules and issues involved in this field. There are over 100 different branches of knowledge simply in this one field of Science of Hadith. And each of those branches requires immense study and will have a 100s of books dedicated to it.
Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim and many other great scholars of the past were experts in all these fields! They spent years travelling gathering hadith and making compilation of the hadeeth into a set series of Hadeeth books.
This has vastly improved our Islamic resources and aided many scholars in their works after them.
Islam is easy and simple to follow. All our actions can be traced back to the Quran and the Hadith. Whether or not a hadith is used that is authentic is not such an issue in practise, because of the scholarly works that do exist that point out the flaws in any chain of narration. etc.
One merely has to accept correction when presented with concrete reliable evidence.
InshaAllah, things will soon clear up for you and you will realise how Hadith are and how things work in Islam. And how simple Islam is!
I ask Allah to help us all and keep us on the right way.
If you do have any more questions, inshaallah i will do my best to answer and help out.
The Following is a good link, it talks about how many of the Prophets who came before did not have a specific book revealed to them to give to their followers, such as the Bible, Torah and Quran. Therefore, the followers of those Prophets had to be following the Sunnah of those Prophets. Please do read it,
That which has been Revealed to us, The importance of the Sunnah
Wasalam.
Ameer.
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If we follow Quran only then we will never learn how to pray as the prophet salla Allah alaihi wa salam did or how to fast or give zakat or make hajj......The hadiths make the way of the prophet salla Allah alaihi wa salam in his worship and life clear to us ...Allah swt told us in quran :
33:21 VERILY, in the Apostle of God you have a good example for everyone who looks forward [with hope and awe] to God and the Last Day, and remembers God unceasingly.
Quran
We should study science of hadith to be certain what hadiths to follow ....and AlahamduliAllah The sunna of the prophet salla Allah alaihi wa salam was kept by the most reliable men in history for more
If we follow Quran only then we will never learn how to pray as the prophet salla Allah alaihi wa salam did or how to fast or give zakat or make hajj......The hadiths make the way of the prophet salla Allah alaihi wa salam in his worship and life clear to us ...Allah swt told us in quran :
33:21 VERILY, in the Apostle of God you have a good example for everyone who looks forward [with hope and awe] to God and the Last Day, and remembers God unceasingly.
Quran
We should study science of hadith to be certain what hadiths to follow ....and AlahamduliAllah The sunna of the prophet salla Allah alaihi wa salam was kept by the most reliable men in history for more