The Bible said that??!!


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I have already posted the Biblical verse mentioned below in another post of mine, please click on the following link to read it there:

I believe it's better to post it again on this thread.

Samaria shall expiate her guilt, for she has rebelled against her God. They shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed to pieces, their expectant mothers shall be ripped open.

Hosea 14:1 (New American Bible)

Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

Hosea 13:16 (King James Version)

So, Jews and Christians believe that God Almighty punished children by having them "dashed to pieces" and even unborn children by having their mothers' bellies "ripped open".


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Assalamu Alaikum brother Raihan,

In post #44 of this thread [on page number 5], you posted a number of Biblical verses that show the violence shown in the Bible. I thank you for your effort.

However, many of the verses you either contain commandments found in Islam, or they're quoted out of context. I do not meant to say that you did that on purpose.

And since it's necessary -when pointing out to Jews and Christians some Biblical verses we Muslims object to- that we only quote verses that do not contain commandments found in Islam and that we also quote verses in context, I'll mention some objections to some of the verses you quoted on post #44.

1- You wrote the following:

" They fought against Midian; as the LORD commanded Moses, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." [Numbers 31:7, 17-18]

A_Kashmiri quoted the same verse and another verse from the Book of Numbers allowing the victors to keep virgins. Please read his post #37 [on page number 4] and then read my post #71 [on page number 8].

2- You wrote the following:

Jesus says: "But those mine enemies which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." [Luke 19:27]

When verse 27 of chapter 19 of the Gospel of Luke is read on its own, it gives the impression that Jesus [peace be upon him] -in the belief of Christians- ordered the death of all those who do not believe that he should reign over them.

However, that's just not the case. That verse has been quoted out of context.

Let's read the relevant verses of chapter 19 of the Gospel of Luke, and I'll set verse 27 in bold type and colour it red, like so:

And Jesus said to him, "Today salvation has come to this house because this man too is a descendant of Abraham. For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save what was lost." While they were listening to him speak, he proceeded to tell a parable because he was near Jerusalem and they thought that the kingdom of God would appear there immediately. So he said, "A nobleman went off to a distant country to obtain the kingship for himself and then to return. He called ten of his servants and gave them ten gold coins 5 and told them, 'Engage in trade with these until I return.' His fellow citizens, however, despised him and sent a delegation after him to announce, 'We do not want this man to be our king.' But when he returned after obtaining the kingship, he had the servants called, to whom he had given the money, to learn what they had gained by trading. The first came forward and said, 'Sir, your gold coin has earned ten additional ones.' He replied, 'Well done, good servant! You have been faithful in this very small matter; take charge of ten cities.' Then the second came and reported, 'Your gold coin, sir, has earned five more.' And to this servant too he said, 'You, take charge of five cities.' Then the other servant came and said, 'Sir, here is your gold coin; I kept it stored away in a handkerchief, for I was afraid of you, because you are a demanding person; you take up what you did not lay down and you harvest what you did not plant.' He said to him, 'With your own words I shall condemn you, you wicked servant. You knew I was a demanding person, taking up what I did not lay down and harvesting what I did not plant; why did you not put my money in a bank? Then on my return I would have collected it with interest.' And to those standing by he said, 'Take the gold coin from him and give it to the servant who has ten.' But they said to him, 'Sir, he has ten gold coins.' 'I tell you, to everyone who has, more will be given, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. Now as for those enemies of mine who did not want me as their king, bring them here and slay them before me.'" After he had said this, he proceeded on his journey up to Jerusalem.

Luke 19:9-28 (New American Bible)

I think it's very clear now that when -according to Christians' belief- Jesus [peace be upon him] said, "Now as for those enemies of mine who did not want me as their king, bring them here and slay them before me", he was not talking about himself and the earthly punishment to be implemented on those who do not believe in him. Jesus -according to the belief of Christians- was quoting the King in the parable he mentioned.

By quoting verse 27 of chapter 19 of the Gospel of Luke out of context, the whole meaning was changed. Therefore, every Muslim must be very careful to make sure that all verses he or she uses in debates with Jews or Christians are in context.

3- You wrote the following:

Jesus says: "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." [John 15:6]

Yet again, this supposed saying of Jesus [peace be upon him] is quoted out of context. I'll post the relevant verses of chapter 15 of the Gospel of John, and I'll set verse 6 in bold type and colour it red, like so:

Remain in me, as I remain in you. Just as a branch cannot bear fruit on its own unless it remains on the vine, so neither can you unless you remain in me. I am the vine, you are the branches. Whoever remains in me and I in him will bear much fruit, because without me you can do nothing. Anyone who does not remain in me will be thrown out like a branch and wither; people will gather them and throw them into a fire and they will be burned.

John 15:4-6 (New American Bible)

Here, Jesus [peace be upon him] supposedly likens himself to a vine and the other people to branches. He shows what happens to branches that fall off the vine. Therefore, we should not understand that Jesus supposedly ordered the burning of those who do not believe in him.

4- You wrote the following:

The death of innocent people in the Bible:

“If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman MUST DIE.” [Deuteronomy 22:22]

"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death." [Leviticus 20:10]

How can we Muslims object to the above Biblical verses? In Islam, if a married man or a married woman has illegal sexual intercourse, then the punishment is stoning to death.

Therefore, the above two Biblical passages could not be used against Jews and Christians except in one case; if they attack Islam for the way adulterers are punished, then we could use these two passages to show them that this punishment is also found in Judaism and Christianity.


Now, I come to a problem. Most of the Biblical passages quoted in your post #44 cannot -in my opinion- be used against Jews and Christians.

Initially, I wanted to make a detailed analysis of all the verses, just like the four examples I mentioned above. However, I saw the task was daunting, and I started to get lazy.

Therefore, I asked myself if it would be better to post my concerns only after I have completely analyzed all the Biblical verses mentioned in post #44 [even though that may take a very long time, and I may even not finish this task] or was it better to post a few examples of quoting Biblical verses that contain commandments of Islam and Biblical verses quoted out of context, and post a general warning about the other Biblical verses?

I believe the second option, although not perfect, is better than the first.


Again, brother Raihan, please do not view this post of mine as an attack on you. You are my brother in Islam, and this post of mine is just a sincere piece of advice.

And if you think that I believe no good came from your post #44, then you're wrong. I found two Biblical passages worth mentioning, and you'll find them highlighted by myself in my next post on this thread.

Best regards,



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I have mentioned some reservations of mine concerning post #44 [on page number 5] of brother Raihan.

However, he did mention two Biblical passages that could be used in debates with Christians:

"Do not give what is holy to dogs, 4 or throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them underfoot, and turn and tear you to pieces.

Matthew 7:6 (New American Bible)

4 [6] Dogs and swine were Jewish terms of contempt for Gentiles. This saying may originally have derived from a Jewish Christian community opposed to preaching the gospel (what is holy, pearls) to Gentiles. In the light of ⇒ Matthew 28:19 that can hardly be Matthew's meaning. He may have taken the saying as applying to a Christian dealing with an obstinately impenitent fellow Christian (⇒ Matthew 18:17).


Please note that footnote no. 4 -found on the official Vatican website- says that, "This saying may originally have derived from a Jewish Christian community opposed to preaching the gospel (what is holy, pearls) to Gentiles."

This means that they actually believe that it may be possible that Jesus -peace be upon him- did not utter the words attributed to him in verse 6 of chapter 7 of the Gospel of Matthew. And this is a clear admission that they believe it is possible that the Bible was corrupted.

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Matthew 7:6 (King James Version)


Then Jesus went from that place and withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. And behold, a Canaanite woman of that district came and called out, "Have pity on me, Lord, Son of David! My daughter is tormented by a demon." But he did not say a word in answer to her. His disciples came and asked him, "Send her away, for she keeps calling out after us." He said in reply, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." But the woman came and did him homage, saying, "Lord, help me." He said in reply, "It is not right to take the food of the children 11 and throw it to the dogs."

Matthew 15:21-26 (New American Bible)

11 [26] The children: the people of Israel. Dogs: see the note on ⇒ Matthew 7:6.


Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon. And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

Matthew 15:21-26 (King James Version)


Therefore -according to the belief of Christians- Jesus [peace be upon him] referred to Gentiles [i.e., non Jews] as dogs and swine.


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yea, most christians sadly to say wont even read the whole bible in their whole lifetime. its hard to even discuss sometimes with people because you will repeatedly get well i didnt know that was in the bible or most believe and not even know where the beliefs originated from. like some people will think those in the new testament worshipped Jesus and im lik hello he didnt even exist to be worshipped.

also there a lot of beliefs that literally do not exist in the bible and there is no way scriptures could even being interpretted to suggest such things. like how some people pray to saints, confess sins to priest, and never God. also a common belief in the evangelical, baptist, pentecostal they believe in rapture. and that means they believe Jesus is going 2 come meet christians in the clouds and theyre going 2 disappear off earth; this belief was never taught by any prophets or anyone in the bible , it was started by some women around the 1800s! and of course the jewish prophecies of messiah and Jesus discussed in the bible was going 2 come back 1x not 2x long alone meeting people in the clouds, that sounds like some doom day creepy stuff. but the religion of christianity doesnt teach that but so someone can just come up and say hey do this its in the bible, but if no one is reading the bible; they cant even stop to say hey, thats not what God says.

Assalamu Alaikum [Peace be unto you],

To brother Happy_2BA_Muslim, I thank you for your informative post #74. I have read it once quickly, and then again more carefully. And thank you for your kind words.


To Elizabeth [blackivy393], I thank you for being objective. You wrote the following in post #75:

The sad part is that there are very few Christians who see Geert Wilders as "off his rocker." I really believe [and please correct me if I'm wrong] that the majority of Christians did not read the entire text of the Bible. And that's why they don't see any double standards when this Dutch member of Parliament quotes Qur'anic verses out of context, while there are Biblical verses which [even after reading them in context] just totally undermine his arguments against the Qur'an and Islam.

As you have stated, "you dont see him banning the bible." You don't see him banning the Bible. and you don't see him producing a film that goes through these Biblical verses that undermine his arguments against Islam. And he has been able to get away with it because most Christians are largely unaware of the existence of such Biblical verses.

When you wrote, "i think some of the people there, arent just anti-religion but racist as well", it means that you believe that Geert Wilders is anti-religious. Although you may be right, I have this feeling that it's not the case. He's a politician of the far right, and most of these are religious Christians who are against anti-religious tendencies of the left wing parties [such as Communists and Socialists].

Thank you again for being objective.


To brother jameel [justoneofmillion], thank you for your kind words and the information about the book "What did Jesus REALLY Say?". I may have some time in the future to read it.


To brother TheHumbleWun, thanks for your post #77.

Dr. Zakir Naik is just amazing masha'Allah [To all non Muslims, ma'sha'Allah is the Arabic pronunciation of the saying That's what Allah has willed]. It is said after a Muslim witnesses any gift in his fellow brother or sister in Islam]. I'm very impressed by his ability to come up with the chapter and verse numbers, from both the Qur'an and the Bible. I ask Allah to bless his gifts, to give him health and happiness in this life and in the Hereafter. Aameen.


Best regards



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Hello Elizabeth [blackivy393],

Thank you for your informative post #87.

You have confirmed that most Christians [according to what you have witnessed] did not read the entire text of the Bible. I have also learned from you about beliefs such as rapture [held by Pentecostals].