The Other Israel: Inner teachings of Judaism and Talmud

abubaseer

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:wasalam:

A movie exposing Judaism and teachings of Talmud.

Someone might ask "What has it got to do with Islaam?"

There are many reasons but just one is enough. Jesus peace be upon was a Messenger of Islaam and people who revile him need to to be exposed. Watch the movie to know more.

1. The Talmud-1 (Link --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5QymNCltYs )
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1. The Talmud-2(Link --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAIOVHKJ8nE )

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abubaseer

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Hi ,

Is the Khazar is a myth, then can you tell us what is meaning of

Askenazi and Saphardic Jew?

Please read the "Book Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel" by Israel Shahak. He himself was jewish and had suffered Holocaust.

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He quotes extensively from the Talmud to expose Racist teachings of talmud in which Gentile are described as Sub Human and also shows that these teachings are being applied in Israel even today.

Please bring your proof before you shout Anti-Semite! And learn what is Anti-semitism below

[imgleft]http://www.turntoislam.com/images/tti/Palestine.jpg[/imgleft]People often label Muslims as anti-semites, which is a bizarre allegation. This video explains why Muslims are not Anti-Semites and explains what anti-semitism really is.

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abubaseer

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Ashkenazi:

Arab and Islamofascist propagandists have long bandied about the Ashkenazim as Khazars theory and Iran's genocidal leaders adore it. Al-Jazeera has been using the Khazar story to urge a worldwide Christian religious war against the Khazar pseudo-Jewish imperialists.

Descendants from the Jewish communities that were deported or settled to Europe by the Romans.

Sephardi:

Descendants of Jewish communities that were in Spain.

Mizrachi:

Descendants of Jewish communities of territories east of modern day Israel, such as Yemen, Iran, Iraq etc etc


If you're a big supporter of these lies than answer these questions and I believe they're valid questions:

If all Ashkenazi Jews are descended from converted Khazars, why are there Cohens and Levis among them? One inherits the status of a Cohen (priest) or Levite from one's father. Descendants of converts through the male line can never be a Cohen or a Levite.

And why are there no Khazar surnames among Ashkenazim, or Khazar names for towns in Europe where Jews lived? And why did most Ashkenazi communities speak variations of Yiddish rather than Turkic?



To be very honest, I think it's shameful that hatred of Israel would make certain people adopt a theory that was invented by 19th century British racialists whose whole intention was to prove that the British were descendants of the Ancient Israelites. This why I'm calling this theory anti-Semitic.



"He quotes extensively from the Talmud to expose Racist teachings of talmud in which Gentile are described as Sub Human and also shows that these teachings are being applied in Israel even today."


First of all:
Israel is a secular state, founded by secular people and its laws (except for marriage and conversion) are governed by secular laws, not Halakha (Jewish Law).

Second of all, its well known throughout the ages that anti-Semites have taken parts of the Talmud out of context to claim that Jews hate non-Jewish people, that Jews consider themselves superior and are planning to take over the world.

I can give some other quotes that don't get much attention:

'A non-Jew studying Torah is holier than a High Priest'

6. Baba Kama 38a: "But we learned: R. Meir says - whence do we learn that a gentile who is occupied in the Torah [the reference is to those commandments which apply to gentiles] is like the High Priest? As it says [a proof text is given]…."


10. Tosefta BK 10,8: ".. it is more grievous to steal from a gentile because of the desecration of G-d's name .."


3. The rabbis taught: 'We support poor Gentiles with the poor people of Israel, and we visit sick Gentiles as well as the sick of Israel and we bury the dead of the Gentiles as well as the dead of Israel, because of the ways of peace." (Gitin 61a)

Firstly, I'm sure you didnot see the complete video, Nowhere has the author criticised all the Jews in the Video.
He showed the pages from Jewish encyclopedia about Khazar. Perhaps Jewish encyclopedia is "Anti-Semite"???

Secondly, you didnot even read the book. before copy-pasting stuff to support NAZIsrael and JudeoFascists.
Otherwise the context of the racist hatred in Talmud would have been very clear to you and it would be also clear to you that Occupation of "Israel" is an Apartheild (Apartheild Wall, Seperate number plates for spearate races) Racist and Occupation and not a "State"!!!
Or perhaps the author Israel Shahak was an Anti-Semite??? LOL

Thirdly, you have not yet seen/understood the video on Ant-Semitism, "Who are Semites"?
Otherwise you wouldn't be still shouting Anti-Semite Anti-Semite at Muslim for criticism on Jews and or Occupation of Israel.


Lastly, And don't coin terms like "IslamoFascist" and "Anti-semite" to blame it on the innocent Muslims.

I will quote some specific passages and the you can explain "the context" to us?

I will do that whenever I have time for it.
 

abubaseer

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The Khazar's existed, that's not the point.
It's not sure whether all of them converted to Judaism or just the king and upper echelons.

The claim is that all of Ashkenazi Jews are descended from converted Khazars and therefore have nothing to do with the Middle East.

This is utter nonsense and all evidence disproves it.
What is the source of this claim? 19th century European anti-Semites.

From wikipedia:

"The theory that the majority of Ashkenazic Jews are the descendants of the non-Semitic converted Khazars was advocated by various racial theorists[15][16] and antisemitic sources[16][17][18][19] in the 20th century, especially following the publication of Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe. Despite recent genetic evidence to the contrary,[20] and a lack of any real mainstream scholarly support, this belief is still popular among groups such as the Christian Identity Movement, Black Hebrews, British Israelitists and others (particularly Arabs[21][22][23]) who claim that they, rather than Jews, are the true descendants of the Israelites, or who seek to usurp the connection between Ashkenazi Jews and Israel in favor of their own. For more detail on this controversy, see below."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar#Conversion_to_Judaism_and_relations_with_world_Jewry

Anti-Semite and Anti-Semitism has always been used to mean 'anti-Jewish'. Never do you hear someone who dislikes Arabs called an 'Anti-Semite'.
The word comes from Noahs uncle 'Shem' from whom the people of the Middle East are derived, including the Arabs.
I'm however not hear to play word games.
I'm using the word in its general use, and if it bothers you, kindly replace 'anti-Semite' with 'anti-Jewish' every time that I use it.


"Secondly, you didnot even read the book. before copy-pasting stuff to support NAZIsrael and JudeoFascists.
Otherwise the context of the racist hatred in Talmud would have been very clear to you and it would be also clear to you that Occupation of "Israel" is an Apartheild (Apartheild Wall, Seperate number plates for spearate races) Racist and Occupation and not a "State"!!!
Or perhaps the author Israel Shahak was an Anti-Semite??? LOL"


Who mentioned Israel? You did.

My argument is that this claim attacks all Jewish people.
When you attack the Talmud and say its a racist, hateful document, then you're not attacking Israel, you're attacking Jews and their religion.

I recall that the title of this thread is "The Other Israel: Inner teachings of Judaism and Talmud"

The Talmud is a collection of rabbinical commentary and the base of Jewish law, not some hate document as you seem to be portraying it.
Throughout history, people have taken quotes from it out of context, or simply twisted and invented some of it.
My question: Why are you propagating things like this if your problem is just with Israel, and not with Jewish people or Judaism?


"Lastly, And don't coin terms like "IslamoFascist" and "Anti-semite" to blame it on the innocent Muslims."


I didn't use those words. The article did.

The video was also not made my me ? But he says things with proof and references thats why I posted , unlike posting fake Anti-Semite Anti-Islamic hatred filled article without any refernces which Fundamentalist Jews and Zioists do

Neither the video nor I attack all Jewish people. Or for that matter "all People of any Religion."

In fact, in the video the author specifically mentions this and goes on to point out some positive contributions of Jewish people.
Only if you had seen the video before commenting on it!

The people that are evil are those who fight the Believers and kill their Cattle and destroy their crop and make them homeless.

So, the Jews who are condemmned by Muslim and even Non-Muslims people who speak the truth are those who:

kill Innocent Muslims and Non-Muslims Men, children and Women.
Destroy their homes, Hospitals, Ambulances, School.
And destroy their farm lands and Olive trees and steal their Land.
Steal land from inhabitants claiming it to be given by God, even though not believeing in God in the first place!

You can find many many documentaries for each category made by even Non-Muslims.

Also Jews who are condemmed by Muslims and Christians are:
Those who curse and accuse the mighty Messenger of Allah Jesus peace be upon him and her Mother Mary even today!
Those who killed Messengers of Allah.

Jews who are condemmed by Muslims:
Those who plotted to kill the the last and final Messenger of Allah) Muhammad Peace be Upon Him.
Those who used to write Poems indecent Poems about Muslim women, Like the Jew of Madinah Qaab bin Ashraf May he rot in the Hell forever.
The Jews who deceive and plot to divide the Muslims and Islaam by forming a news Sect Like Abdullah Bin Sabah.

However, there were (and are)many Jews who don't do this and accepted the Truth when it was presented to them like the Learned Rabbi of the Jews of Madeenah Abdullah Bin Salaam May Allah Be pleased with Him. They are the best among the people who fear Allah truly.

And other Jews who even though do not accept Islaam but live peacfully with Non-Jews.
 

abubaseer

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"The video was also not made my me ? But he says things with proof and references thats why I posted , unlike posting fake Anti-Semite Anti-Islamic hatred filled article without any refernces which Fundamentalist Jews and Zioists do"

Generally the anti-Islamic articles that I've seen, quote the Quran and Sunnah in the same that your post does.
Does that make it ok to take things out of context? Surely not.

Neither the video nor I attack all Jewish people. Or for that matter "all People of any Religion."

'All Jewish people'. Who are you attacking do you think with this?
You're attacking 90 percent of Jewish people with a post like this.


Any movie that brings up 'Talmud quotes' and the Khazar theory is of very questionnable material. Disproved racial theories from the 19th century should have no place anywhere. This is definitely not something that most people would deem appropriate in interfaith discussion.

1. It is not similiar. People who post Anti-Islamic artcles dont even give references. Like the article you posted which calls Islamofascists
2. Quran does not have racial hatred like Talmud, don't compare Quran with Talmud.
3. 90% of Jews fall in to the the below categories ???

So, the Jews who are condemmned by Muslim and even Non-Muslims people who speak the truth are those who:

kill Innocent Muslims and Non-Muslims Men, children and Women.
Destroy their homes, Hospitals, Ambulances, School.
And destroy their farm lands and Olive trees and steal their Land.
Steal land from inhabitants claiming it to be given by God, even though not believeing in God in the first place!

You can find many many documentaries for each category made by even Non-Muslims.

Also Jews who are condemmed by Muslims and Christians are:
Those who curse and accuse the mighty Messenger of Allah Jesus peace be upon him and her Mother Mary even today!
Those who killed Messengers of Allah.

Jews who are condemmed by Muslims:
Those who plotted to kill the the last and final Messenger of Allah) Muhammad Peace be Upon Him.
Those who used to write Poems indecent Poems about Muslim women, Like the Jew of Madinah Qaab bin Ashraf May he rot in the Hell forever.
The Jews who deceive and plot to divide the Muslims and Islaam by forming a news Sect Like Abdullah Bin Sabah.


Anyone who quotes Talmud is questionable ???

Lets do this, I will post some quotes and you can explain the context to us.
 

abubaseer

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The whole point of this post is to blacken Judaism and Jews based on apparent 'racist' quotes from the Talmud, which are likely either fake or taken out of context.

A classic example of "prejudice". Check dictionary for the meaning.
You have given your judgement even before I have said anything.
 

abubaseer

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"A classic example of "prejudice". Check dictionary for the meaning.
You have given your judgement even before I have said anything. "


You posted this thread. This is the title of the thread:
The Other Israel: Inner teachings of Judaism and Talmud

Call it prejudice if you want, I've heard most of this before. Do you think you're the first person to bring these up?

Quran does not have racial hatred like Talmud, don't compare Quran with Talmud.

Isn't this, by your definition, a classical example of prejudice?

Please check the dictionary meaning of prejudice.

How did you pre-judge that I'm goin to quote will be either
1.fake or
2.Out of context

Do you belong to those 90% of the Jews :) not pre-judice you see, just a question
 

abubaseer

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It's judgement and experience:

Unless you read Hebrew and Aramaic, I doubt you've ever read a single page of Talmud.

Most critics of Judaism and Jews tend to use the same old quotes, copy and pasted.

So please, prove me wrong and bring up your quotes that prove that the Talmud is a 'racist' book that teaches hatred.

Do you belong to those 90% of the Jews?

Yes, the Talmud is the basis of Judaism. An age-old compilation of centuries of wisdom, and not the hate-mongering devil's book that you're claiming it to be.

There are sites on the internet which have Hebrew quotes and and their english translations. You can let us know if the translations are correct. And yes we have some reverts from Judaism here who know Hebrew to cross check :)

I read books by Israel Shahak and he knew Hebrew and I hope he has not quoted them wrong or out of context.

Actually, one of those Reverts had confirmed that most of the "normal" Jews donot believe in Talmud and it is indeed a dodgy book, only to find that you saying that 90% of Jews believe in Talmud!
 
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