Universe - Allah's Creation

Proud2BeHumble

Seek Truth, Be Happy
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Want to navigate deep in universe and feel its vastness? Attached is the power point presentation which will make you realise how small is our existance in comparison to the size of whole universe....

So let us thank Allah for all his blessing and kindness.

Wassalam
 

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abou haytam

Junior Member
:salam2:

Want to navigate deep in universe and feel its vastness? Attached is the power point presentation which will make you realise how small is our existance in comparison to the size of whole universe....

So let us thank Allah for all his blessing and kindness.

Wassalam

salam brother

thank you for sharing, but i have question where is located 1st heaven, 2 nd heaven....7 th heaven.??? i am allways searching about a religeous and scientific responce to this.

jazak allah for sharing

salam
 

Proud2BeHumble

Seek Truth, Be Happy
:salam2:

but i have question where is located 1st heaven, 2 nd heaven....7 th heaven.??? i am allways searching about a religeous and scientific responce to this


Please refer to following link. You will find the answer on the first page itself under the heading THE LAYERS OF THE ATMOSPHERE.

http://www.hyahya.org/miracles_of_the_quran_p1_03.php

The creation of these seven heavens is very important as without this the life would not be possible on earth (you know what all it has in it... air containing oxygen, water cycle, ozone protection etc just to name few). That is why Allah has directed our attention toward this in Quran. So that man may ponder and thank Allah for his mercy.

14 centuries ago, when the sky was believed to be one unified body, the Qur'an miraculously stated that it consisted of layers, and what is more, "seven" layers. Modern science, on the other hand, discovered the fact that the atmosphere surrounding the Earth is made up of "seven" basic layers only very recently.

This link has many pages which discusses other miracles as well given Quran, which you can browse by pressing a button given at the bottom of page.
 

wantobeMumin

Junior Member
Asalamualykum

i am no scholar of islam but the questionas such have always drive me nuts. existense of universe, jins, 7 heavens, miraj of Muhammad pbuh, splitting of moon. Allah offcourse can do anything He wills but how we are suppose to understand this. My answer to myself has always been seek more knowledge.
inshallah in this post i will try to summarize what i have concluded according to my limited knowlege and if its wrong, u can always blame me but if it makes lil sense then take from it.

See Allah created everything no doudt. we live in 4 dimensional world. X,Y Z and time. people Time is the invention of Allah. we always tend to think evrything has a begining and end But that does not imply to Allah becase he created the time. So if its a creation and u can see from somewhere where time has no meaning then u see everything has happened or happening or will happen. this is where devine decree comes from. Allah knows everything becasue everything has happened already as He Willed. itsn kina complicated but i recommend everyone to ponder on it.

second, we humans can only comprehend things which are happening in our three dimensional world with time as well. (read flatlander book). scientist have told us the possibilty of th e existence of 11 dimesions. could that imply to 7 heavens or the real hell and heaven , the secret abode of jins? dont forget the higher the number of dimension the more the degree of freedon u have. keeping that in mind Firsty anything is possible from Allah even the splittng of a moon and having its no impct on earth what so ever. second heaven will make sense with rivers of honey and milk flowing beneath u. it will be a magican land. my mind is going to explode so i am goign to shut up.

the point is universe is a creation of Allah no matter how big it is. may not have any limit to us but to Allah its a gem in the ring. there r things that we will never know and higher dimensions are one of those. peace
 

Proud2BeHumble

Seek Truth, Be Happy
:salam2:

i am no scholar of islam but the questionas such have always drive me nuts. existense of universe, jins, 7 heavens, miraj of Muhammad pbuh, splitting of moon.

I have posted a presentation on the subject of splitting of moon on the thread at http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9828

See Allah created everything no doudt. we live in 4 dimensional world. X,Y Z and time. people Time is the invention of Allah. we always tend to think evrything has a begining and end But that does not imply to Allah becase he created the time. So if its a creation and u can see from somewhere where time has no meaning then u see everything has happened or happening or will happen. this is where devine decree comes from. Allah knows everything becasue everything has happened already as He Willed

Exactly, we can feel 4 dimensions only i.e. space (x,y,z dimension) and time. No doubt there are higher dimesion as well and that is the reason we cant see Jinn, Angles etc As soon as we start to die some of the dimensions will open and we will start to see the Angle of Death.

Quran is NOT a book of SCIENCE:

Quran is not a book of Science but the book of Signs and Guidance. Which means if you want to study Zoology, Biology, and Chemistry, Physics or Astronomy etc this is not the book to be referred to.

Nor it was logical that God to have spoken to people 1400 years before about red blood cells, photosynthesis, E=mc^2 or Electrons etc. God spoke to the people in the language they could understand well. Gave them examples from their daily life (as par with their intellect level), so that they can understand, believe and carry the message forward to the coming generations, until they are intellectually able to observe "God Signs" everywhere (in their body, earth and heavens etc).

That’s why God said:

Soon will We show them

Our Signs in the (furthest) Regions, and

In their own souls, until

It becomes manifest to them

That this is the Truth

Is it not enough that

Thy Lord doth witness

All things?

[Surah: 41: 53]


However, what ever is there in Quran about science is not contradicting with it. What have been just discovered recently was already referred to either directly or indirectly in the Holy Quran more than 1400 years ago, hence it makes open minded person think that Quran could not have come from any human or ordinary source. To know some of such signs visit www.islam-guide.com


Quran is a book of SIGNS (of GOD):

Islam encourages science and the acquisition of knowledge with absolutely no contradiction between the Quranic revelation and the scientific facts. However, the Quran carries a divine message and guidance from God to all mankind, it is not a scientific book nor the faith of Muslims is conditionally based upon whether or not scientific fact coincides with what is found in the Quran. It is just viewed as a confirmation of what was already held as true and it may also be a clarification of those matters which may have been beyond the scope of human knowledge at any given time.

Where is God?

If we want to know how a product (say your computer) was manufactured, you should have seen its all the stages of manufacturing, from beginning to the end, so that you will know what all processes and hand were involved. Inside the computer you can’t find person who assembled it. Similarly, sculpturist can't be found inside the sculpture, as both are two separate entities.

Therefore to find the creator we must:

1. search him not inside the creation but outside the creation.

2. have seen all the stages of creation, from start to end so that we can declare that we have seen the creator.

But if the creation is finished and the product is in our hand we can neither see the creator any more nor we can find him inside the object. Now we are left with only two options:

1. Either object has been created by someone or

2. It has appeared on his own.

Similarly, our eyes have not witnessed the beginning and the end of universe. In fact we are living our life of "few moments or lesser" in comparison to the total time involved. So how we can know our creator and find him? Only Logic and Patience will give us the answer!

Creator Is Powerful Than Its Creation:

Carpenter is powerful than the chair he makes, Cobbler is powerful than the shoes he makes, baker is powerful than the cake he makes but how comes a nuclear scientist is not as powerful as an atomic bomb?

If bomb have no exploding power atomic bomb is not as powerful as the scientist. The explosion happens by the release of huge amount of energy present in the uranium atoms (chain reaction). Since the scientist did not created the atoms and the energy present in them he is not powerful than bomb.

Example: Suppose if you make an apparatus with some measuring instruments and a naked electrical wire and ask someone to touch the live wire (who have no idea what is this all about), he is surely going to get a fatal shock. However, if you were asked to do the same thing, you will either wear good insulated gloves or even switch line off before doing it. Your action was based upon your knowledge about your apparatus (including amount voltage, ampere and ohms).

So we see that in order for the creator to be powerful than his creation following are needed:

1. He must be all-aware of creation’s attributes.

2. He must wisely design and create it.



God says that all his creation (including time, space, blackholes, stars, planets, vegetation, human etc etc) he has created wisely and with extraordinary power.

For to Allah belong

The Forces of the heavens

And the Earth; And Allah is

Exalted in Power,

Full of Wisdom


[Surah: 48:7]

He is Irresistibly Supreme

Over His servants

And He is the Wise,

Acquainted with all things


[Surah: 6:18 ]

God Also tells us in Quran that he produced his creation in due proportions and with complete measurement (& has full control over them).

…Allah has appointed a measure for all things
[Surah: at-Talaq: 3)

…He created everything and determined it most exactly
[Surah: al-Furqan: 2)

Everything has measure with Him, the Knower of the Unseen

And the Visible, the Most Great, the High-Exalted

[Surah: ar-R’ad: 8-9)

Creator Is Not Sitting Inside His Creation:

Concept that creator is physically present his creation will cause some one to ask that what will happen to creator if the creation itself is destroyed? It’s not the creator who sits inside the creation but his intelligence and knowledge (by which he know his creation far better than the creation know itself).

It was We Who

Created man, and We know

What suggestions his soul

Makes to him: for We

Are nearer to him

Than (his) Jugular vein.

[Surah: 50: 16]


Limitations Of Human Brain:

Human brain, which weighs about few 100 grams is like a formatted hard disk when he is born. Whatever he experience (see, smell, hear or taste etc) is stored in his brain as information. Our all decisions and conclusions are based on that stored information.

Suppose a baby is told in his mother's womb that after the birth he will be transferred to another world. This new world will be a very big space where he will find big mountains, rivers, clouds, seas, trees, flowers, fruits, all type of foods, bus, ships, airplanes, millions of other people...., it will be hard for the baby to believe, because his conclusion will be based on what he has seen to the date.

Similarly our conclusion on this earth are based upon what we experience here unless God himself guide us about "unseen". From the time of the creation of man God has guided him. God also tells us that after the death we are going to meet him and it is his promise about hereafter which will not be broken.

…. Allah promise is the truth, And whose word can be Truer than Allah’s?

[Sruah: 4:122]


Wasalam
 

muslimad

Asalamu Alaykum!
:salam2:

i too have a question on this i have read the link proud2behumble has provided and apologise if this has already been explained but here goes.

so there are 7 skys/atmospheres then how did space explorers/astronauts travel beyond these layers and into space or claim to have been to the moon?

p.s i know that there are sum conspiracy theories against the venturing into space

your sista in islam muslimad
 

Mabsoot

Amir
Staff member
wa alaykum salam,

We dont know when the heavens start / end. This is matter that only Allah knows.

So, if people go to outer space or to other planets, it doesnt matter.

No, we dont believe in conspiracy theories. It is not impossible for things to be sent into space, that is how satellites work.

wasalam
 

Proud2BeHumble

Seek Truth, Be Happy
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so there are 7 skys/atmospheres then how did space explorers/astronauts travel beyond these layers and into space or claim to have been to the moon?

Heavens is very general term. Heavens may refer to the physical heavens, the sky above us or the seemingly endless expanse of the universe and beyond. Since man is inhabited on earth, any thing which is not on earth will obviously belong to heaven. That is why when Allah addresses mankind he uses the words earth and heavens.

4:153 THE FOLLOWERS of the Old Testament demand of thee [O Prophet] that thou cause a revelation to be sent down to them from heaven. And an even greater thing than this did they demand of Moses when they said, "Make us see God face to face" - whereupon the thunderbolt of punishment overtook them for this their wickedness.

Universe is very vast (as you can see in the slide attached in first post) and our earth is nothing in comparison to this vastness of the universe. It is not even a fraction of dot. In Quran you can see, Allah when asking us to pay attention to his creation asks in the words like these : Don’t you see? Have you not seen? Did you find any error/flaw in creation? etc, which means Allah want us to observe his visible creation and think about it.

Based on this reasoning that we can see nearest heavens, we may well assume that Allah is hinting towards these seven atmospheric layers around the Earth, which he has created perfectly with a purpose. Each layer has its own distinct content and purpose.

* We made the sky a preserved and protected roof yet still they turn away from Our Signs. (Qur'an, 21:32)


Above verse is clear that Allah is talking about nearest sky or the seven atmospheric layers and you can see how these layers protect us forming a safe roof. For details click

It is He Who created everything on the earth for you and then directed His attention up to heaven and arranged it into seven regular heavens. He has knowledge of all things. (Qur'an, 2:29)

Now look at this verse,
Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke. In two days He determined them as seven heavens and revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate. (Qur'an, 41:11-12)

Though this verse may also be pointing towards nearby earthly heavens, however chances are more that Allah is pointing to another set of much bigger heavens in this vast universe, as creation of whole universe is the context.

For example someone has explained it like this…When one looks at space from Earth, he is surrounded by seven magnetic fields extending into the infinity of space.

These fields consist of :
(i) the spatial field occupied by Earth and the rest of the solar system;
(ii) the spatial field of the Earth’s galaxy, the Milky Way;
(iii) the spatial field occupied by a 'local cluster' of galaxies to which the Milky Way belongs;
(iv) the central magnetic field of the universe represented by a collectivity of clustered galaxies;
(v) the band represented by quasars, which serve as 'star hatcheries';
(vi) the field of the expanding universe, represented by the receding galaxies; and
(vii) the outermost field of space representing infinity.

Whatever the case may be (either of the two) it is extremely interesting that such thing could never be stated by any man 1400 years ago. If it was just a guess work by a human, it could have been 5, 6 or 8. But amazingly it is seven. This is an ample proof that Quran is Word of God and not from any human being.

Additionally, you may have noticed too that number 7 (seven) is quite important within the design of Allah’s creation. As you can see there are seven layers of atmosphere, there are seven magnetic fields extending into infinity.

Similarly, there are 7 electron shells around the nucleus of the atom and never changes. The electrons spin around the nucleus with incredible speeds without any collision. This order and harmony in atoms clearly indicate that everything (everything is made up of atoms) in the universe is under full command of Allah and everything glorifies him.

Do you not see that everyone in the heavens and everyone on the earth prostrates to Allah, and the sun and moon and stars and the mountains, trees and beasts and many of mankind? But many of them inevitably merit punishment. Those Allah humiliates will have no one to honour them. Allah does whatever He wills.
(Surat al-Hajj: 18)


He is Allah – the Creator, the Maker, the Giver of Form. To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names. Everything in the heavens and earth glorifies Him. He is the Almighty, the All-Wise. (Surat al-Hashr: 24)

Similarly, we too during Hajj make seven rounds (Tawaf) of the House of Allah and praise and glorify Allah. :)

So, we can see some verse may indicate the earthly seven heavens but some may hint to unknown division of vast Universe or both. I prefer to use the word unkown because science is still a baby in comparison to the facts and knowledge hidden in the universe.

Have you read about recent string theory? It says that the universe has nine space dimensions and one time dimension. 1 dimension of time + 9 dimensions (6 hidden and 3 known) of space = 10 dimensions

The three space and one time dimensions are large and extended (that’s what we are able to observe), while all of the others are tiny and curled up. But Why? At present there is no answer to this question.

It is possible for creatures who are made of and living in one time dimension and the tiny, curled up spatial dimensions that are invisible to human beings and that is eluding detection by even our most advanced equipment. They are also able to penetrate wall etc. Based on this theory, some physicists have now started to “speculate” why we are not able to see Angles and Jinns.

Additionally, You would have heard about Black Holes. Massive stars, which collapse inward under their own weight, can form black holes. Black Holes can be the gateways to beyond the universe through the higher dimensions. Gravity in such objects is so strong that even light cannot escape and they become invisible. Hence, it is named black holes. Some physicists believe that space-time may be ripped apart in the black holes.

55:33. O assembly of jinns and men! if You have power to pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, Then pass (them)! but You will never be Able to pass them, except with authority (from Allâh)!

What are these zones Allah is challenging men and Jinn to pass through? It could be anything, even the Black Holes which might be gateway to higher heavens.

And heaven is opened and becomes as gates. Qur'an Chapter 78 Verse 19

A day when the heavens and the clouds will be rent asunder and the angels will be sent down "A grand descent. Qur'an Chapter 25 Verse 25

It may be possible (just a possibility) that our universe might consist of 7 modules (or six sub-universes) connected with each other through these heavenly gates (black holes). In other words, we might say our universe might have seven distinct zones. One being ours and other six of could be connected to the universe extended beyond black holes.

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/980301d.html

But at the end these are all theories and speculations. The real knowledge of visible and invisible lies with Allah only.

11:123 To Allah do belong the unseen (secrets) of the heavens and the earth, and to Him goeth back every affair (for decision): then worship Him, and put thy trust in Him: and thy Lord is not unmindful of aught that ye do.

Theories are something that come and go. Some of them become established facts while others fall. Our life time is so limited that we can’t take a chance to believe in something which is not even established. For example think about the people who believed in Darwin’s theory and died. What they will say if they are brought to this world again? All their efforts and belief has gone in vain. So as Muslims we might study theories and keep watch on them, but can’t simply believe them (over our deen) until they are well established fact. No doubt, science will develop more and more in coming time (with the permission of Allah) and we will see what Allah wants us to see.

41:53 In time We shall make them fully understand Our messages [through what they perceive] in the utmost horizons [of the universe] and within them*!selves, so that it will become clear unto them that this [revelation] is indeed the truth. [Still,] is it not enough [for them to know] that thy Sustainer is witness unto everything?

And at the end, this is one of the most amazing verses that I find in the Quran:
24:35 Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The Parable of His Light is as if there were a Niche and within it a lamp: the lamp enclosed in Glass: the glass as it were a brilliant star: Lit from a blessed Tree, an Olive, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil is well-nigh luminous, though fire scarce touched it: Light upon Light! allah doth guide whom He will to His Light: allah doth set forth Parables for men: and allah doth know all things.

If I try to put "niche" as black holes, I am lost in imaginations. But I know it is impossible for human brain to comprehend Allah's beauty. No way! That is why the best gift to the believers in paradise will be “Meeting with Allah”. So guys strive for it……:)


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Wasalam
 

dianne

Senior Member
wa alaykum salam,

We dont know when the heavens start / end. This is matter that only Allah knows.

So, if people go to outer space or to other planets, it doesnt matter.

No, we dont believe in conspiracy theories. It is not impossible for things to be sent into space, that is how satellites work.

wasalam

Salam,

I agree with you, even we be an astronaut,astrology - we will never found the Heavens out there.This is matter that only Allah swt knows.

We cant judge or think based on conspiracy theories the creation of Allah about Heavens/Hells.

Wallahualam.wassalam
 

falomar

Junior Member
................Now look at this verse,
Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke. In two days He determined them as seven heavens and revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate. (Qur'an, 41:11-12)

Though this verse may also be pointing towards nearby earthly heavens, however chances are more that Allah is pointing to another set of much bigger heavens in this vast universe, as creation of whole universe is the context................

Very informative everything you post, I enjoyed reading it.......
But anyhow......if the seven heavens described in the Quran are the same as the seven basic layers surrounding the Earth (atmosphere)

......Then......

We have to conclude that there's something most greatest than those seven heavens mentioned in the Quran.....

.....and that's the Universe beyond....

By the way,...sorry for mentioning this but Most Christians believe there are 3 great heavens: "Our atmosphere, The Universe, and The Throne of God (beginning at the boundaries of the universe)".....if that's the case, then I have no problem believing those 7 heavens in the Quran are within earth atmosphere.....
 
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