What Islam Says about Christmas

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    Celebrating Christmas? Everything You Need To Know!!! What Islam Says about Christmas
    Here we have a collection of MP3s by Shaykh Muhammad Bin Hadee, who is a Scholar and Professor in Madinah University, Saudi Arabia as well as articles about Christmas and it's Pagan origins. The celebration has nothing to do with the teachings of Isa (Jesus) peace and blessings be upon him AND has nothing to do with God either. Infact, a lot of the symbolism is pagan in nature.

    “Say: "O People of the Book! Exceed not in your religion the bounds (of what is proper), trespassing beyond the truth, nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by, who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the even Way." [Al-Maa’idah (5):77]

    The Islamic Ruling Regarding Christmas
    by Shaykh Muhammad Bin Hadee (Madinah - Saudi Arabia)
    ( MP3 Download Arabic-English)


    The noble Shaykh talks about the history of Christmas and how it all started, how the people went astray from the original teachings of the blessed Prophet Isa (Jesus) on him be peace.

    Christmas Lessons: Prophet's Birthday- The Pagan Origins of Christmas
    This is an article about how the Christians corrupted their Religion with Pagan ideas. How Christmas is from the remnants of Roman Pagan rituals.

    “Say: "O People of the Book! Exceed not in your religion the bounds (of what is proper), trespassing beyond the truth, nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by, who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the even Way." [Al-Maa’idah (5):77] Both Muslims and serious Christians can learn a lot from Christmas, the annual celebration of the victory of paganism over the message of Prophet Isa (Jesus Christ), (alayhis- salam).

    No one disputes that the event and all its symbols came from pagan religions; it has nothing to do with the birth or teachings of Jesus Christ. For one thing, no one knows with certainty the date of birth of Jesus Christ. "In fact, dates in almost every month in the year were suggested by reputable scholars at one time or another," notes The American Book of Days.

    Islam And Christmas by Umm Muhammad

    Quite a number of Muslims today, especially those living in Christian dominated countries or those influenced to a large degree by western culture, have been led to consider that taking part in the Christmas celebrations of friends and relatives is, at very least, a harmless pastime if not a legitimate source of pleasure for children and adults alike.

    In many instances, pressure to conform with the practices of society is too great for those of weak resolve to withstand. Parents are often tempted to give in to the pleading of children who have been invited to a party or who are unable to understand why they alone are being prevented from joining the festivities they observe all around them or why they cannot receive gifts on this occasion like the other children.
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    Jazakallah khairun for this post. Very detailed and informative!

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    Nice Post

    Hello My Muslim Brothers And Sister. How are you all?? I am fine By the grace of allah. Well This post is a good post but I think there should be some proofs from Bible so that they could belive and don't you think may b when the world is conquered by the non-muslims if they say that there shall be no eid-day what shall we do?? And maybe Christian readers are offended! Who knows!! And Yeah this post was a nice post!!! Thanx For Sharing!!
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    Salemo Allahi Alaikoum brothers & sisters... Astonishing not when you see the west celebrating such a xmas...astonishing not to rea
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    Regarding Raul's comment that perhaps some Bible quotes could be posted so that Christians won't be offended... I believe this is unnessesary. Any devout Christian needs only to spend an hour skimming through the Torah and Gospels to have all the proof they'd need to come to the same conclusion as us Muslims. If they choose to be blind to the verses that clearly warn against greed, idol obesssions, compulsion then so be it; That's their decision to make.

    When I was a Christian, I hated Chistmas for exactly the reasons carefully described here. I knew about Santa's little secret long ago (psst! the red monster who flies in the minds of people has his name supermegaencrypted: read Satan). But hey, something so simple and obvious surely can't be accurate in reality. Can it? Anyway, the feeling of You Must Give X Gifts To Y People was such a burden, and I KNOW many people can't afford to be spending the money they do each Xmas - yet they are compelled to, regardless. It's terrible. And who wins in the end? Big Business, their planet-destroying values & their $2/day Made-In-China sweatshop morals, and the governments who support them. Hurray for Christmas! ;-/

    It's been a while since I posted. I hope my two cents are still worth something around here. I promise to catch up with y'all very soon. Been going through a Jihaad of my own, and very busy with it. Anyway, InshaAllah He is keeping you all well; Take care. =)

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    Assalamu alaykum.

    I have noticed your absence but brother, don’t worry about it, your opinions are always valued! :D

    May Allah make whatever you are going through easy. Ameen.

    Wassalam.
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    Peace be upon you Karenmuslimah,


    I have three points in response to your post:


    1- Quoting from the Bible

    Muslims believe that the Scriptures of the earlier prophets [peace be upon them] were indeed revealed to them from God Almighty. Please read the interpretation of the following verses of the Qur'an:

    "Allah - there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of existence. He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel before, as a guidance for the people. And He revealed the Criterion [i.e., the Qur'an]. " (The Qur'an 3:2 to part of verse 4).

    "Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah, and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price [i.e., worldly gain]. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers. And We ordained for them therein a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and for wounds is legal retribution. But whoever gives [up his right as] charity, it is an expiation for him. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the wrongdoers [i.e., the unjust]. And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah, and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous. And let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient. And We revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book [i.e., the Qur'an] in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it." [The Qur'an 5:44 to part of 48]


    However, it is also mentioned in the Qur'an that these Scriptures have been corrupted:

    "Do you (faithful believers) covet that they will believe in your religion inspite of the fact that a party of them (Jewish rabbis) used to hear the Word of Allâh [the Taurât (Torah)], then they used to change it knowingly after they understood it?"

    [The Qur'an 2:75]

    "Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, "This is from Allâh," to purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for that they earn thereby."

    [The Qur'an 2:79]

    "So, because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them. But forgive them and overlook (their misdeeds). Verily, Allâh loves Al-Muhsinûn (good-doers)"

    [The Qur'an 5:13]

    "And indeed, there is among them a party who alter the Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture. And they say, "This is from Allah ," but it is not from Allah . And they speak untruth about Allah while they know."

    [The Qur'an 3:78]


    Therefore, a Muslim should not base his beliefs on the Bible, which contains corrupted scriptures. Some of what's in the Bible might still be from the original Scripture, but is also definitely contains fabrications and corrupted verses, and so the Bible cannot be the basis for a Muslim's creed. If what's in the Bible agrees with the Qur'an and/or the Prophet's [peace be upon him] sayings, then we believe in it. If it does not agree with the Qur'an and/or the Prophet's [peace be upon him] sayings, we disbelieve in it. If it neither agrees nor disagrees, then we take a neutral position; meaning that we neither believe these to be from God Almighty nor do we rule out the chance that they are truly from God Almighty.


    I think it's best to reflect upon the words of Abdullah ibn Abbas [may Allah be pleased with him]. He was one of the Companions of the Prophet [peace be upon him] and his cousin. He said the following:

    "O Muslims? How do you ask the people of the Scriptures, though your Book (i.e. the Quran) which was revealed to His Prophet is the most recent information from Allah and you recite it, the Book that has not been distorted? Allah has revealed to you that the people of the scriptures have changed with their own hands what was revealed to them and they have said (as regards their changed Scriptures): This is from Allah, in order to get some worldly benefit thereby." Ibn Abbas added: "Isn't the knowledge revealed to you sufficient to prevent you from asking them? By Allah I have never seen any one of them asking (Muslims) about what has been revealed to you."

    [Collected by Al Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 48, Number 850, translated by M. Muhsin Khan]


    2- Quoting the sayings of the Prophet [peace be upon him]

    When you mention a saying of Prophet Muhammad [peace be upon him], you need to mention who collected this saying and provide proof that a scholar of hadith has authenticated this saying. There are many fabricated reports out there that are falsely attributed to Prophet Muhammad [peace be upon him]. When quoting a saying which was collected by either Muhammad ibn Ismaa'il Al-Bukhari or Muslim ibn Al-Hajjaaj Al-Qushairi, then it is sufficient to mention the hadith number in either Sahih Al-Bukhari or Sahih Muslim, provided this hadith has a complete unbroken chain of narrators.

    By reading your last post, it is very evident that you did not mention who collected these sayings nor did you provide any information about the authenticity of them.


    3- The Messiah and the Mahdi

    You posted the following:


    Your conclusion is just totally wrong. The Messiah Jesus Christ {peace be upon him] and the Mahdi are two different people.

    Please read the following religious opinions of Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid. Before I relate these opinions, I'll mention a short glossary which contains many Arabic words [written in English Letters]and their meanings, since a person not familiar with them may be lsot when he reads them:

    Isnad: chain of narrators through which a saying or a deed of the Prophet [peace be upon him] was reported.

    Hadith or Hadeeth: The sayings of the Prophet [peace be upon him].

    Mutawaatir: Certain authenticity. This term is used to describe the most authentic of the Prophet's [peace be upon him] sayings.

    Saheeh or Sahih: Authentic

    Ummah: nation


    The first opinion was his answer to question no. 10302 [The Messiah son of Maryam and the false messiah (Dajjaal)]:

    "Question:
    What is the difference between the Mahdi and the Messias?

    Answer:

    Praise be to Allaah.

    The texts state that the awaited Mahdi will come at the end of time, and he will be a just ruler descended from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He is not infallible, unlike the Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus – peace be upon him), on who, according to the mutawaatir reports will come down at the end of time and will rule according to the sharee’ah of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The difference between them is that the Messiah ‘Eesa is a Prophet and the Mahdi is a just ruler. For more details on the false messiah (Dajjaal), please see Question# 8806 .

    And Allaah knows best.


    Islam Q&A
    Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid"

    Source: http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=10302&ln=eng


    The following is also his opinion in answering question no. 10301 [The emergence of the Mahdi]:

    "Question:
    Is it told in the Quran when the Mahdi will come to save the muslims? .

    Answer:
    Praise be to Allaah.

    The Muslim must understand that evidence from both the Qur’aan and Sunnah are of the same level and must be followed equally. Both the Qur’aan and Sunnah are Revelation (Wahy) from Allaah and must be followed. Allaah says concerning His Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) (interpretation of the meaning):

    “Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.

    It is only a Revelation revealed”

    [al-Najm 53:4-3]

    It was narrated from al-Miqdaam ibn Ma’dikarib that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Beware! I have been given the Qur’aan and something like it, yet the time is coming when a man replete on his couch will say: ‘Keep to the Qur’aan; what you find in it to be permissible treat as permissible, and what you find in it to be prohibited treat as prohibited.’”

    (Narrated by Abu Dawood, 4606; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani – may Allah have mercy on him – in Saheeh Sunan Abi Dawood, 3848).

    Secondly:

    Allaah has enjoined that His Messenger is to be obeyed independently of the Qur’aan. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority”

    [al-Nisa’ 4:59]

    “And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad) gives you, take it; and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it)”

    [al-Hashr 59:7]

    Thirdly:

    It is not narrated in either the Qur’aan or the Sunnah precisely when the Mahdi will emerge, but he will emerge at the end of time. However we must point out the following:

    1- The emergence of the Mahdi will be one of the last minor signs of the Hour.

    2- Many people claimed that the Mahdi has emerged or will emerge to support their personal aims and misguided beliefs, such as the Qadianis (Ahmadis), Baha’is, Shi’ah and other deviant groups. This has led some later scholars to reject the ahaadeeth which speak of the Mahdi or to misinterpret them by saying that what is meant by the Mahdi is the descent of ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (Jesus son of Mary – peace be upon him) at the end of time. Some of them quote a hadeeth that is attributed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) which says, “There is no Mahdi apart from ‘Eesa ibn Maryam.”

    This hadeeth is da’eef (weak) and cannot be soundly attributed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). See al-Silsilah al-Da’eefah, 1/175, by al-Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him).

    3- Many scholars have written books confirming that the Mahdi will emerge, and describing that as part of the belief (‘aqeedah) of the Muslim. For example: al-Haafiz Abu Na’eem, Abu Dawood, Abu Katheer, al-Sakhaawi, al-Shawkaani, and others.

    4- It is proven in the Sunnah that the Mahdi will meet ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (peace be upon him) and that ‘Eesa will pray behind him.

    Muslim (156) narrated that Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “I heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, ‘A group of my ummah will continue to fight for the truth and prevail until the Day of Resurrection. Then ‘Eesa ibn Maryam will come down and their leader will say, “Come and lead us in prayer.” But he will say, “No, you are leaders of one another” – as an honour to this ummah.’”

    The leader mentioned in this hadeeth is the Mahdi. According to a report narrated by Abu Na’eem and al-Haarith ibn Usaamah, “Their leader the Mahdi will say…” Ibn al-Qayyim said, “Its isnaad is jayyid (good).”

    5- The Muslim should not wait for the emergence of the Mahdi, rather he has to strive hard and devote his efforts to support Islam, and to do whatever he can for the religion. He should not hope and wait for the emergence of the Mahdi or anyone else, rather he should correct himself, his family and the people around him, so that when he meets Allaah he meet Him having done his best.

    See Al-Mahdi Haqeeqah wa laa Khuraafah by Shaykh Muhammad ibn Ismaa’eel.

    Islam Q&A"

    Source: http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=10301&ln=eng


    And the following is his answer to question no. 1252 [Is the Mahdi real or not?]. I have underlined that sayings of the Prophet [peace be upon him] that show the the Mahdi's name will be Muhammad son of Abdullah and that he will be from the descendants of Fatimah [May Allah be pleased with her...the Prophet's daughter]. I advise you to read the whole opinion carefully:

    "Question:
    Is the hadith about the coming of Mehdi Saheeh?
    Because I was told by a friend of mine, that it's not and it's a weak hadith.


    Answer:
    Praise be to Allaah.

    There are saheeh ahaadeeth that indicate that the Mahdi (peace be upon him) will appear at the end of time. He is one of the signs of the Hour. Among these ahaadeeth are the following:

    1. Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri reported that the Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said: "At the end of the time of my ummah, the Mahdi will appear. Allaah will grant him rain, the earth will bring forth its fruits, he will give a lot of money, cattle will increase and the ummah will become great. He will rule for seven or eight years. (Mustadrak al-Haakim, 4/557-558; he said: this is a hadeeth whose isnaad is saheeh, although it was not reported by al-Bukhaari and Muslim. Al-Dhahabi agreed with him, and al-Albaani said: this is a saheeh sanad, and its men are thiqaat (trustworthy), Silsilat al-ahaadeeth al-saheehah, vol. 2, p. 336, hadeeth 771)

    2. ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: "The Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said: ‘The Mahdi is one of us, a member of my family. Allaah will guide him in a single night.’" (Musnad Ahmad, 2/58, hadeeth 645, edited by Ahmad al-Shaakir, who said: its isnaad is saheeh; Sunan Ibn Maajah, 2/1367. This hadeeth was also classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’ al-Sagheer, 6735). Ibn Katheer said: "This means that Allaah will forgive him, grant him help, inspire him and guide him, when he was not like this before." (Al-Nihaayah, al-Fitan wa’l-Malaahim, 1/29; edited by Taha Zayni).

    3. Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri said: "The Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said: ‘The Mahdi is of my lineage, with a high forehead and a long, thin, curved nose. He will fill the earth with fairness and justice as it was filled with oppression and injustice, and he will rule for seven years.’" (Sunan Abi Dawud, Kitaab al-Mahdi, 11/375, hadeeth 4265; Mustadrak al-Haakim, 4/557; he said: this is a saheeh hadeeth according to the conditions of Muslim, although it was not reported by al-Bukhaari and Muslim. See also Saheeh al-Jaami, 6736).

    4. Umm Salamah said: "I heard the Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) say: ‘The Mahdi is of my lineage and family, from the descendants of Faatimah.’" (Sunan Abu Dawud, 11/373; Sunan Ibn Maajah. 2/1368. Al-Albaani said that it is saheeh in Saheeh al-Jaami, 6734)

    5. Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: "The Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said: ‘‘Eesaa ibn Maryam will descend, and their leader the Mahdi will say, "Come and lead us in prayer," but he will say, "No, one of them should lead them as an honour to this ummah from Allaah."’" The version narrated by Muslim says: "… Then ‘Eesaa ibn Maryam (Peace be upon him) will descend and their leader will say, ‘Come and lead us in prayer,’ but he will say, ‘No, some of you are leaders over others as an honour from Allaah to this ummah.’" (Reported by Muslim, 225)

    6. Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: "The Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said: "He is one of us, behind whom ‘Eesaa ibn Maryam will pray." (Reported by Abi Na’eem in Akhbaar al-Mahdi. Al-Albaani said it is saheeh; see al-Jaami’ al-Sagheer, 5/219, hadeeth 5796).

    7. ‘Abdullaah ibn Mas’ood reported that the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said: "The world will not come to an end until the Arabs are ruled by a man from my family whose name will be the same as mine." (Musnad Ahmad, 5/199, hadeeth 3573. Another version says: "… whose name is the same as mine and whose father’s name is the same as my father’s." Sunan Abi Dawud, 11/370).

    The ahaadeeth concerning the appearance of the Mahdi reach the level of Tawaatur in meaning (tawaatur refers to a hadeeth which was narrated by so many people through so many isnaads that it is inconceivable that they could all have agreed on a lie). The imaams and scholars of this ummah have stated this, and a few of their comments are quoted below:

    1. Al-Haafiz Abu’l-Hasan al-Aabiri said: "The mutawaatir reports from the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) describing the Mahdi are very many. They state that the Mahdi will be of his family, that he will rule for seven years, that he will fill the earth with justice, that ‘Eesaa ibn Maryam will emerge and help him to kill the Dajjaal, and that he will lead this ummah in prayer and ‘Eesaa will pray behind him."

    2. Muhammad al-Barzanji said, in his book al-Ishaa’ah li Ashraat al-Saa’ah: "The major signs and the signs that will be immediately followed by the Hour: these signs are many, of which the Mahdi will be the first. Know that the ahaadeeth that have been narrated about him in various reports are numerous." He also said: "You know that the ahaadeeth which speak of the Mahdi, his appearance at the end of time, and his lineage and descent from the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) via Faatimah reach the level of tawaatur in meaning, so there is no point in denying them."

    3. Al-‘Allaamah Muhammad al-Safaareeni said: "There are so many reports which speak of the appearance of the Mahdi that they reach the level of tawaatur in meaning; they are very popular among the scholars of Sunnah and have become part of their faith." Then he quotes a number of ahaadeeth and reports about the appearance of the Mahdi and the names of the Sahaabah from whom they were narrated: "Many reports were narrated from the Sahaabah whose names were mentioned and others whose names were not mentioned, may Allaah be pleased with them all, and from the Taabi’een after them, all of which proves that this is definitive knowledge. Belief in the appearance of the Mahdi is obligatory, as it has been confirmed by the scholars and is listed among the beliefs of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah."

    4. Al-‘Allaamah al-Mujtahid al-Shawkaani said: "The ahaadeeth that we have come across that speak of the awaited Mahdi reach the level of tawaatur, including fifty saheeh, hasan and da’eef munjabar ahaadeeth. There are mutawaatir without a doubt; indeed they are more mutawaatir than others, according to all the standards of usool. There are also many reports from the Sahaabah that speak about the Mahdi and that reach the level of marfoo’, so there is no room for individual opinions in such an issue."

    5. Al-‘Allaamah al-Shaykh Siddeeq Hasan Khaan said: "Even though there are different versions of reports concerning the Mahdi, they are so many that they reach the level of tawaatur in meaning. They are to be found in al-Sunan and other books of Islam."

    6. Al-Shaykh Muhammad ibn Ja’far al-Kattaani said: "The conclusion is that the ahaadeeth narrated concerning the Mahdi are mutawaatir, as are the ahaadeeth concerning the Dajjaal and the descent of ‘Eesaa ibn Maryam, upon whom be peace." (See Ashraat al-Saa’ah by Yoosuf ibn ‘Abdullaah al-Waabil, pp. 195-203).

    You should be aware that some liars have fabricated ahaadeeth about the Mahdi, and others have even claimed to be he, or that he belongs to a group other than Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah. Some of these "false mahdis" have tried to deceive the slaves of Allaah for some worldly gain and to distort the picture of Islaam. Some have started movements and revolutions and gathered those people and supporters whom they were able to deceive. Then they were destroyed, and their lies and falsehood were exposed. None of this affects the belief of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah in the Mahdi, upon whom be peace, and that he will undoubtedly appear and rule the earth in accordance with Islamic Sharee’ah. And Allaah knows best.

    Islam Q&A
    Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid"

    Source: http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=1252&ln=eng


    I hope you all the best.

    Regards,

    Bluegazer

    Wassalamu Alaikum
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    Salemo Allahi Alaikoum brothers & sisters... Astonishing not when you see the west celebrating such a xmas...astonishing not to read such things either on the Bible or somewhere else...Yet when highly ranked people in a west-arab countries rather than saying Muslim...plan on purpose the winter holidays to queue and fly to the West :SMILY286: and help to celebrate such event...would highly raise our religious-emotions. I wonder what would Christians say about the other Christains who help or take part to celebrate the Eid-Adha...if they really exist?? We love all the other prophets of Allah Swt, and we respect them all...as they have all come with true .Islamic-teachings...not falsified. And we're the ones who will take charge of all kind of celebration, as we're the mostly concerned, and remain loving all of them and worshiping the almighty Allah.
    May allah helps us all to do so.ameen.
    Peace on u all.​
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    The Lord's birthday is observed on December 25th as this is the shortest day of the year (Pagan winter solstice) the early church chose this day as part of its evangelical efforts (Christians can still have a party on solstice; to celebrate the arrival of the messiah), as opposed to September (as contemporary records prove).

    If xmas was about Christians celebrating Jesus' birthday, there would be no problem in my opinion. Sadly it is not, it is about consumption and excess, the antithesis of christian values. People ought to use the money they waste on one pointless day for better things.
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    Asslamo Allaikum Brothers/Sisters,

    I think just about everyone in the West knows that Christmas is about commercialism.

    Go to your nearest store to buy a Christmas card and you will notice that there are loads of them on “Seasons Greeting…etc. (secular ones) and very few on the religious side of Christmas…
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    Hmm. Whilst I would agree that Christmas has become perhaps a little too much about the material goods here in the west, I do not believe that celebrating it in the manner that it is often celebrated in the west is inherently evil. I'm not Muslim, or overtly religious, so I cannot comment on what the Bible, Torah, or Quran say, but it isn't necessarily about false idols, greed, or cheap chinese junk. Christmas has, for a long time, been imbrued with values such as giving, caring, and being with the ones you care about. Perhaps it wouldn't be so bad if people weren't so damn obsessed with WHAT it is they're buying, the price/monetary value of it, what it is they will be recieving, and just remember that it is supposed to the the thought that counts, letting th people you care about know how you feel. But looking at it this way, is it really necessary to have a holiday for this?

    (I really hope I didn't offend anyone; I signed up a while ago but only now have been able to come and post here...)
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    :salam2:

    Bismillahi arrahmani arrahimi,
    wa salat wa salam ala nabiyyina mohammad wa ala alihi wa sahbihi amiine.

    Thank you for sharing my brothers.
    It is a very interesting post.
    I agree also with the last reply about business-Christmas. That's true.
    Another consideration is that much of people in the West consider the Christmas a period to be "better" themselves with the others. Hmm.....just for Christmas ? What about the rest of the Year?

    :wasalam:
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    A perfect example of my fellow westerners being obsessed with the material goods aspect of gift-giving happened just today. A friend of a friend was complaining about how "she always goes broke Christmas shopping (for her family) and they never get her anything good she wants......"

    I tried to explain to her that Christmas isn't about material goods, and how she was defying the entire meaning behind Christmas, that is, to celerate the birth of Jesus Christ, and the gift-giving is about just that, giving, but she didn't listen. Instead, she began ranting about ME, calling me some rather nasty things, and generally went off on some irrelavant tangent as this individual always does whenever she doesn't get her own damn way. I just rolled my eyes and shook my head at her.
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    :salam2: bros and sisters

    I guess that is the reason for having divine laws and we as humans having to use our logic on what and why it is there for - sole purpose of guidance.

    Even with these kind of guidance people use their personal desires to lead them in their life. Imagine there are no divine laws at all? We humans probably would have destroyed ourselves more at a more rapid rate.

    Of course there are no doubts humans adjusting divine laws to benefit or have an advantage over other humans(it happens to all religions).

    Soon divine law become human laws and soon every other human wants to create their own laws. Eventually human will return back to following their personal desires once again. They will cancel out divine laws for their own.
    Its just a cycle actually.

    So what to do? There must be truth to guidance not just what we feel cause- that is just following our desires. I hope I don't confuse everyone!!!

    All I want to say is they must be truth to guidance i.e be critical.

    Allah knows best
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    Very cute article.

    :salam2:
    If u ask any Azerbaijani in the street every second one (maybe everybody) will tell u that he /she is a muslim.But if u c our street right now u'll be shocked:lot's of xmas trees ,santas etc. sometimes I think what this ppl are thinking about!!!!!!! When parctising muslims try to "open their eyes on reality" they say that u r fanatics. Today my dad's company (Canadian one ) organizes xmas party for Azerbaijani "muslims" and all these is normal for local ppl. it's unnormal (is there such word in English???? :hearts: ) to reject such "nice offer" of going to that party.
    Something like xmas holiday we have in spring. the name of that holiday is "novruz bayram".The second horrible holiday when local muslims feel terrible.Coz novruz is "xmas " of fireworshipers. But even now local ppl celebrate it. It's national holiday of my country. influence of Iran. pfffffffffff

    May ALLAH help muslims.
    take care all
    sincerely poor poor poor cell :blackhijab:
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    GREAT TOPIC

    HELLO N ASSALAM U AILKUM HOW IS EVERYONE HERE ITS REALLY NICE 2 HEAR N READ WAT PEOPLE POST N WRITE ON THIS WEBSITE ,I PERSONALLY THINK THAT A PERSON MAY BE FROM ANY RELIGION THE FIRST RELIGION HE OR SHE HAS IS OF HUMANITY.NEXT I WOULD LIKE 2 SHARE SOMETHING THAT I MYSELF M A CHRISTIAN BUT I HAVE AN INTEREST IN EVERY RELIGION I KNOW OR HAVE HEARD ABOUT,MOREOVER LIVIN IN AN ISLAMIC STATE WHICH IS PAKISTAN I HAVE IN A WAY STUDIED OR U CAN SAY CLOSELY OBSERVED MANY MUSLIMS INFACT THE RELIGION ISLAM ITSELF M VERY PROUD 2 SAY THAT I HAVENT FOUND ANYTHING WRONG IN MUSLIMS OR ISLAM AS A RELIGION.THE OTHER ASPECT IN WHICH IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT ANY CHRISTIAN WOULD GET OFFENDED BY READIN THIS I DIDNT NOT EVEN A MINUTE COZ I ALSO THINK THIS THAT NOTHIN IS PERFECT SOME THINGS WE ALSO KNOW R INCOMPLETE BUT IT ONLY VARIES FROM PERSON 2 PERSON IF HE ACCEPTS IT OR NO.SO PEOPLE I HAVE DESCRIBED ABOUT MYSELF N HOPE 2 GET MORE N MORE INFORMATIONS REGARDING ISLAM N OTHER RELIGIONS .GOOD LUCK 2 EVERY1 ON THIS SITE MAY GOD BLESS U ALL N MAY ALLAH BE WITH U ....... ALLAH HAFIZ
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    SANTA = SATAN

    Santa is the blasphemous substitute for God! He is routinely given supernatural powers and divine attributes which only GOD has. Think about it.

    When Christian parents lie to their children about Santa Claus, they are taking the attention of their children away from God and causing them to focus on a fat man in a red suit with god-like qualities. All of this teaches the child to believe that, just like Santa, God can be pleased with "good works," done in order to earn His favor. Also, they teach that no matter how bad the child has been, he will still be rewarded by God -- just as Santa never failed to bring gifts. Even in homes of professing Christians, Santa Claus has clearly displaced Jesus in the awareness and affections of children, becoming the undisputed spirit, symbol, and centerpiece of Christmas.

    Remember there are no Biblical doctrines for the rememberance of Jesus's (pbuh) birth. Realize that Christians Celebrating Christmas as the Day of Christ's Birth Makes No More Sense than Adding Any of the Following Days as Special Days of Christian Celebration:

    Baptism Celebration
    Miracle Celebration
    Ascension Celebration -- Why not have one day set aside every year for hot-air balloon rides in order to celebrate Christ's ascension to heaven?

    The very popularity of Christmas should cause the Christian to question it. Anyone and everyone can celebrate Christmas without question -- outright pagans, nominal Christians, and even Buddhists and Hindus. Christmas is a thoroughly pagan holiday -- in its origin, in its trappings, and in all its traditions. Even sincere/serious Christians agree!
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    No anger brother...anger is from Satan!!! You may help this woman to revert to Islam...yet you have to be stronger than what she is!!! You may win the paradise if she embraces Islam. Wish u all good luck. Remember ...no anger
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    wow, very informative. But what is raul008 talking about? If you as a Christian are offended by what is on a Muslim community webpage, maybe you're in the wrong place.
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    of the what Christians think is birth

    Question:
    Why do you condemn the celebration of the what Christians think is birth of the son of God (Allah)? We should be teaching respect for other peoples and religions. Yet with such condemnation and calling it falsehood, it makes it difficult for rational, honest, and respectful persons to communicate.

    Answer:

    Praise be to the One God, who begets not, nor is begotten.

    You seem to have misinterpreted the condemnation of celebration of Christmas as a matter of disrespect for Christians. In reality, it is out of respect for Allah and Jesus and the teachings of our Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon them. It is an integral part of our faith to reject celebrations that have not been prescribed and/or that have a basis in falsehood, as inevitably they lead to misguidance and alterations in faith, as has happened with Christianity. There is nothing "radical" or "fringe" about this. It is our basic right to protect our faith and practice from distortion and falsehood. Surely no one has a right to condemn us for this.

    Do you think Encyclopedia Britannica is rational and honest? Please read what they have to say about Christmas:

    Excerpts quoted directly from http://www.britannica.com :

    The word Christmas is derived from the Old English Cristes maesse, "Christ's Mass." :

    ( There is no certain tradition of the date of Christ's birth. Christian chronographers of the 3rd century believed that the creation of the world took place at the spring equinox, then reckoned as March 25; hence the new creation in the incarnation (i.e., the conception) and death of Christ must therefore have occurred on the same day, with his birth following nine months later at the winter solstice, December 25).

    ...

    According to a Roman almanac, the Christian festival of Christmas was celebrated in Rome by AD 336...

    ( The reason why Christmas came to be celebrated on December 25 remains uncertain, but most probably the reason is that early Christians wished the date to coincide with the pagan Roman festival marking the "birthday of the unconquered sun" ) (natalis solis invicti); this festival celebrated the winter solstice, when the days again begin to lengthen and the sun begins to climb higher in the sky. The traditional customs connected with Christmas have accordingly developed from several sources as a result of the coincidence of the celebration of the birth of Christ with the pagan agricultural and solar observances at midwinter. In the Roman world the Saturnalia (December 17) was a time of merrymaking and exchange of gifts. December 25 was also regarded as the birth date of the Iranian mystery god Mithra, the Sun of Righteousness. On the Roman New Year (January 1), houses were decorated with greenery and lights, and gifts were given to children and the poor. To these observances were added the http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/idxref/0/0,5716,266282,00.htmlGerman and Celtic Yule rites when the Teutonic tribes penetrated into Gaul, Britain, and central Europe. Food and good fellowship, the Yule log and Yule cakes, greenery and fir trees, and gifts and greetings all commemorated different aspects of this festive season. Fires and lights, symbols of warmth and lasting life, have always been associated with the winter festival, both pagan and Christian. Since the European Middle Ages, evergreens, as symbols of survival, have been associated with Christmas... [end quote]

    So as any rational person can see, there is no sound basis for Christmas, nor did Jesus (peace be upon him) or his true followers celebrate Christmas or ask anyone to celebrate Christmas, nor was there any record of anyone calling themselves Christians celebrating Christmas until several hundred years after Jesus. So were the companions of Jesus more righteously guided in not celebrating Christmas or are the people of today?

    So if you want to respect Jesus, peace be upon him, as Muslims do, don't celebrate some fabricated event that was chosen to coincide with pagan festivals and copy pagan customs. Do you honestly think God, or even Jesus himself, would approve or condemn such a thing? If you say approve, then obviously you are not interested in the truth.

    We ask Allaah, the One, Singular God, with no partners or sons, the God of all creation and mankind, to guide us all to the path of guidance and sincerity.

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