Did anyone watch cnn special: lift of veil

kayleigh

Junior Member
Assalaum alaikum brothers and sisters!

Why doesn't CNN and the likes of it show those women who have been widowed by American B52 bombers and lost their homes, husbands, children or even their own lives.
Those women who survived American brutality are living a constant life of tragedy. Afhganistan doesnt have a welfare system and a woman's guardian is her husband. When he is taken away from her, her world is destroyed.
America has killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civillians whose distruction has never been reported by these media outlets.

Beware of the wickedness of these sources my brothers and sisters. They mix right and wrong/truth and lies and present you with a picture that is full of deception. They are there to brainwash the general public and so far have been very successful.

Wassalamu alaikum

Um...they did. They interviewed a woman and made it very clear that many of the widows are widowed because their husbands and even children were killed by US bombs during the invasion. Plus, their husbands are sometimes far from their guardians. The men are the ones harassing the women, begging for food to feed their children. Certainly not all men, but it's a very sad situation indeed when your protector has turned into your tormentor (and not to say all afghan men are like that at all - all I know are very upstanding, respectable men).

I really don't get why some of you guys are so hung up on how maybe the Taliban is good, maybe bin Laden is a cool guy (which is funny, really), the US did all of this, blah blah blah. It doesn't matter WHO did it, what matters some of these Muslim women are oppressed, poor, abused, and uneducated. They're beaten and insulted, sold into marriage without any hope of education or freedom of choice, and driven to the point where they actually light themselves on fire to escape the miserable hell they live in. They're being denied their basic human rights - their Islamic rights as humans, and as women.

This documentary is far from propaganda - it's a sad reality for many women both in and out of afghanistan. Sorry if it shatters your belief that the Middle East is always full of sunshine and rainbows and proper treatment for women. It's not. Conditions for these women were horrific before the war, and have largely gotten worse after it because the people in control have lost sight of real Islam, and ignore any examples of the Prophet (saw). They've let culture overcome them, and use Islam for convenient excuses, and cherry-pick the Qur'an and hadith for anything that might make what they're doing look OK. The US has completely failed in their mission (well, humanitarian aid was never the objective, but it's what they'd like the public to believe), and left it in a condition that's just as bad, if not worse. The fact that some of you want to deny human suffering to take a pot-shot at the US is just sad.

Terribly sorry if any of this comes off as being too abrasive (I'm sure it will). I'm not trying to insult or belittle anyone here, I just think some people get so caught up in the blame game that they ignore the most important issue, which is the suffering of our brothers and sisters. Politics plays a part in everything these days, but sometimes I think we need to put politics aside for a minute and look at what really matters.

I'm also not one to get all my info on such touchy topics from just media sources like CNN. I've heard some horrific first hand stories from afghan men and women, and a good friend of mine who was born and raise in Kabul, and still visits, confirmed much of what was seen in this documentary.
 

Bawar

Struggling2Surrender
Assalamu alaikum dear sister Kayleigh!

I agree with most of what you said about the conditions of some Afghan women. Unfortuantely, women are taking the biggest blow when a disaster strikes, especially in a country like Afghanistan. Some of the reasons are that most of them are depending in many ways on their husbands or another male (father, brother..) due to lack of education and jobs. And just like all other countries, it is the mother who is mainly responsible for the upbringing of her children and that puts an added pressure on her. This world is unfortuantely a man's world and disasters are mostly caused by men and the worst victims are women who are easily forgotton or ignored. It is a sad fact.

We have all seen a crying woman after each tragedy on TV screens in Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan...

I do feel that i need to correct you on a couple of issues. Fist of all, I am in no way a fan of Taliban or Bin Laden, neither do I think Bin Laden is cool. Sorry if my previous post seems that way.

I know nothing more about Bin Laden except what everybody else knows from the western media. In light of facts, I personally believe that he has done more for American cause than for Afghans/muslims. He was an excuse for American invasion of Afghanistan due to which I, as an Afghan, lost my freedom to American occupation.

We should all as human beings and particularly as muslims, try not to forget the plight of suffering women and children, but lets not ignore the causes that exacerbate their misery.

While it is time to reflect on the role of big powers who are committing mass murders in the third world (particularly muslim) countries, CNN is diverting the attention of people away to other issues which are not causes, but symptoms.

Lets not forget. The sufferings of women in Afghanistan has got to this stage mainly due to a diminshed law and order which is brought about by nearly 30 years of war and anarchy. No other country would have been in any better state than Afghanistan is if that was their case.

As long as big powers such as former USSR and current USA+UK are destroying the whole infrastructure of our nations, it is merely a dream to think of a better future for these suffering women.

So, lets dig the root causes of these miseries. We can start from telling the invasion forces LET US BE FREE. DON'T KILL US ANYMORE. DON'T TERRORISE OUR PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN HOMES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT

When there is a responsible (as apposed to a puppet government whose president is guarded by American soldiers) and free government, then we can better demand and expect better life conditions for all, especially for women.

Note: By no means do I say lets ignore women's coditions for the time being.
And sister Kayleigh, you didn't belittle me. We are all entitled to our opinions.

Wassalamu alaikum
 

mohsofi_abdullah

Junior Member
Salam all,

I've been trying to calm myself down, and I keep telling myself that "They plan, but Allah Subhanahuwataala plans the best", but I'm weak.

I know that Allah Subhanahuwataala plans the best.

However, being a weak man, I have been saddened by the fact that many Arabs in the middle east, have claimed to be neutral, until it is too late. The same goes to Iran, who is being targetted by the USA and ZIONISME. All those Arabs are not doing anything. They got lucky from the 1967 when the canal was given back under the pressure of the US President at the time. Otherwise, the whole Arabia could have been under the Zionist Empire.

It only shows, Allah Subhanahuwataala plans the best.

Arabs are to self-protective, and are not doing anything to help the neighbours. Come to think about it, they became that way, also because of the pressure (divide and conquer) by the American Government, the British, and Israel... of course.

Arabs are too dependent on the modern day prostitution of it's own resources, by being the ALI BABA of the modern world, Using wealth to live like the Romans, the cliche that was given to the people of the Islamic Empire once upon a time, where the muslims live like kings, drink form the golden cups, and eat from the stomach of beautiful women, where nobody from the Arab muslimin and muslimats who were poor. They all lived like kings and queens.

Iraqis used to enjoy the fruits of their oil empire their whole life until the Gulf War I, when everything was taken away. Now, Iraqis are among the poorest in the world. Allah Subhanahuwataala punishes those who are cruel (living like kings and queens) to themselves and their people, and replace them with another race (Kafirun). It doesn't matter if only a few were living like the Romans, the punishment comes in a package. The whole race gets to taste it.

Yes, if we're living like the romans, wearing silk, and eating with abundance of food, living with the prettiest women in the country, we are being cruel to ourselves, for we are being selfish, and don't have the slightest idea about the other poor people of the world.

But the punishment is also a ticket to heaven.

So, keep the faith, we are on our way to Jihad, InsyaAllah.

Wassalam
 

kayleigh

Junior Member
Assalamu alaikum dear sister Kayleigh!

I agree with most of what you said about the conditions of some Afghan women. Unfortuantely, women are taking the biggest blow when a disaster strikes, especially in a country like Afghanistan. Some of the reasons are that most of them are depending in many ways on their husbands or another male (father, brother..) due to lack of education and jobs. And just like all other countries, it is the mother who is mainly responsible for the upbringing of her children and that puts an added pressure on her. This world is unfortuantely a man's world and disasters are mostly caused by men and the worst victims are women who are easily forgotton or ignored. It is a sad fact.

We have all seen a crying woman after each tragedy on TV screens in Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan...

I do feel that i need to correct you on a couple of issues. Fist of all, I am in no way a fan of Taliban or Bin Laden, neither do I think Bin Laden is cool. Sorry if my previous post seems that way.

I know nothing more about Bin Laden except what everybody else knows from the western media. In light of facts, I personally believe that he has done more for American cause than for Afghans/muslims. He was an excuse for American invasion of Afghanistan due to which I, as an Afghan, lost my freedom to American occupation.

We should all as human beings and particularly as muslims, try not to forget the plight of suffering women and children, but lets not ignore the causes that exacerbate their misery.

While it is time to reflect on the role of big powers who are committing mass murders in the third world (particularly muslim) countries, CNN is diverting the attention of people away to other issues which are not causes, but symptoms.

Lets not forget. The sufferings of women in Afghanistan has got to this stage mainly due to a diminshed law and order which is brought about by nearly 30 years of war and anarchy. No other country would have been in any better state than Afghanistan is if that was their case.

As long as big powers such as former USSR and current USA+UK are destroying the whole infrastructure of our nations, it is merely a dream to think of a better future for these suffering women.

So, lets dig the root causes of these miseries. We can start from telling the invasion forces LET US BE FREE. DON'T KILL US ANYMORE. DON'T TERRORISE OUR PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN HOMES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT

When there is a responsible (as apposed to a puppet government whose president is guarded by American soldiers) and free government, then we can better demand and expect better life conditions for all, especially for women.

Note: By no means do I say lets ignore women's coditions for the time being.
And sister Kayleigh, you didn't belittle me. We are all entitled to our opinions.

Wassalamu alaikum

I agree for the most part, and sorry if I wasn't clear but the first paragraph of my post was all that I was directing towards you.

I know we need to look at the roots to solve the problem, but too often people ignore who's really being effected in order to point the finger, and then do nothing to solve the problem. If we're all more aware of the suffering these people go through on a daily basis, I think we're more apt to care and act than we are if all we're doing is looking at the dry politics and power games. If you don't see the effects of it, you won't really comprehend how urgent and serious it is. It's important to maintain the human element of this all, and remember the connection that they have to us. If it becomes personal, we'll all fight harder to fix it than we would if we were all distanced from it.
 

Ahmed ibn Ibrahim

alhamdulilah
Asalaamu alaikum =)

I watched the documentary and was pretty shocked... kinda made me regret thinking that Canada should have no place being in Afghanistan. They may be practicing Islam, but they are using the harshest possible interpretation of it and there seems to be alot of cultural ignorance involved in the equation.

I also thought that the long history of poverty and war should be considered in the equation of Why Afghanistan Is How It Is. Drug money has been used for decades to resist foreign invaders, with the Russian efforts being particularly merciless. I suppose that any country that has been subjected to the sort of destructive conditions as Afghanistan has for as long as it has is bound to turn ultra-conservative as well as a litte... erm, mentally unwell, if not insane. After all, how can those people live like they have for as long as they have and not turn a little loopy as a result? More than a little...

Alhamdulilah, the Afghan people still have the torch of Islam so there is still much hope. Certainly they need constructive encouragement however, maybe some mandatory time spend learning from fellow Muslims on TTI. ;-) InshaAllah He will guide them back to the middle road, and guide others to assist them. Ameen.

Wa Alaikum Salaam
 

sajjuaiah

Junior Member
I really don't get why some of you guys are so hung up on how maybe the Taliban is good, maybe bin Laden is a cool guy (which is funny, really), the US did all of this, blah blah blah.

As-salaam Alaikum,

I am really with you this Osama is not just kiliing the people but he destroys the image of islam.

In his new video he said those who will not support all Qaida, Islamic scholars and Imams are hypocretes.

How he is going to take the burden for the killing of innocent children, women, old and young.

What he will tell infront of Allah.

May Allah guide us to the straight path.
 

bobkidi

New Member
I has doubt on osama video, if osama can pass his video, how on earth they couldn't trace him .... weird isn't
 

Nur Solehah

SubhanAllah
I was thinking that.

What if the Taliban is created by the US? What if Osama and Bush are best friends? What if Hitler is still alive?

:salam2:

i heard of this before.. its probably true.. they probably created everything from the start.. i'm not surprise anyway because this world has gone mad.. so many fitnah and you cant really trust in what you see.. :muslim_child:
 

kayleigh

Junior Member
I really don't get why some of you guys are so hung up on how maybe the Taliban is good, maybe bin Laden is a cool guy (which is funny, really), the US did all of this, blah blah blah.

As-salaam Alaikum,

I am really with you this Osama is not just kiliing the people but he destroys the image of islam.

In his new video he said those who will not support all Qaida, Islamic scholars and Imams are hypocretes.

How he is going to take the burden for the killing of innocent children, women, old and young.

What he will tell infront of Allah.

May Allah guide us to the straight path.

Exactly.

Even if he had nothing to do with the attacks in the US (doubt it), he's done even more harm to the ummah by making us evil in the eyes of almost every non-Muslim. He doesn't help Muslims, he punishes them. Muslims living in the West have to serve out HIS sentence, because we get the punishment for his actions.

I, personally, don't think Osama is alive. But one of the most disturbing things I've seen among Muslims is the incredible doubt they have that terrorist organizations exist (which is a dangerous position to hold since ignoring the danger means more people will get hurt), and that we don't know if bin Laden is really guilty.

It seems like the same people who have that attitude are the same people who wonder why the West thinks Muslims are terrorists. Well...it's because of how some Muslims act.
 

mohsofi_abdullah

Junior Member
kayleigh
learn the history of israel for more understanding,
arabs are harmless but the authorities of arab countries, the leadership are really corrupted with wealth and materials...
then you will understand how easy it is for israel to blame arabs in their propaganda...
arabs are easily ticked off, all verbal only, but not brave enough to block israeli's negative influence in the eyes of the world.
regards
 

kayleigh

Junior Member
kayleigh
learn the history of israel for more understanding,
arabs are harmless but the authorities of arab countries, the leadership are really corrupted with wealth and materials...
then you will understand how easy it is for israel to blame arabs in their propaganda...
arabs are easily ticked off, all verbal only, but not brave enough to block israeli's negative influence in the eyes of the world.
regards


....What????

I know the history of Israel very well, thank you, but this has NOTHING - I repeat, NOTHING - to do with Israel, Jews or arabs. Not everything stems from the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and not everything happens because of the "evil" Jews.

afghans aren't even arab so I don't know what this has to do with anything. Plus, like others have said, it's not an attack on Islam because Islam wasn't even mentioned in the documentary. and it was a Muslim reporter who did the whole thing.
 

justoneofmillion

Junior Member
Assalam Alaykum,

Yes i did watch it and i thought it was very sad :( but InshaAllah it will change for the better there as time goes by.. it made me cry wallahi to watch those poor women suffer especially those in the hospital suffering from the abuse in their lives and how badly burned they were :( InshaAllah more change will come for Afghanistan in the future. I wish i could do something i'd love to go there and teach them English.
assalam,sister could you please kindly explain why you would love to go there and teach them"English"?i don`t see the connection with the subject here correct me if am wrong...
wassalam
 

justoneofmillion

Junior Member
Exactly.

Even if he had nothing to do with the attacks in the US (doubt it), he's done even more harm to the ummah by making us evil in the eyes of almost every non-Muslim. He doesn't help Muslims, he punishes them. Muslims living in the West have to serve out HIS sentence, because we get the punishment for his actions.

I, personally, don't think Osama is alive. But one of the most disturbing things I've seen among Muslims is the incredible doubt they have that terrorist organizations exist (which is a dangerous position to hold since ignoring the danger means more people will get hurt), and that we don't know if bin Laden is really guilty.

It seems like the same people who have that attitude are the same people who wonder why the West thinks Muslims are terrorists. Well...it's because of how some Muslims act.
assalam ,what the west thinks is of no importance for people who have faith... and taking the position to always justify oneself to the east, the west,the north or to anybody is an act of shirk!islam is just and has no need to be justified.Those who are really seeking the truth will find it god willing no matter how deep it maybe hidden!the internal disposition,the curiosity to search for allah is an individual act,it grows through a stubborn silence no matter how loud chaotic or entertaining the noise that is around maybe.I personally do not feel that Usamarica punishes me, am only responsible for my acts in the eyes of Allah swt, the only one to whom i reach my hands in expectation of forgiveness,compassion and charity!.

wassalam
 

kayleigh

Junior Member
assalam,sister could you please kindly explain why you would love to go there and teach them"English"?i don`t see the connection with the subject here correct me if am wrong...
wassalam

I would guess because English is a universal language, and probably the number one language spoken so widely across cultures and the world (even though, numerically speaking, more speak Chinese). Most who receive an education in a non-English speaking country have some type of English instruction. Teaching them English, could, potentially, open them up to more opportunities to better themselves and succeed, but it doesn't matter what languages they speak as long as they're kept in the same miserable oppression.

I'd love to be able to send every single afghan child to a good school.
 

justoneofmillion

Junior Member
I would guess because English is a universal language, and probably the number one language spoken so widely across cultures and the world (even though, numerically speaking, more speak Chinese). Most who receive an education in a non-English speaking country have some type of English instruction. Teaching them English, could, potentially, open them up to more opportunities to better themselves and succeed, but it doesn't matter what languages they speak as long as they're kept in the same miserable oppression.

I'd love to be able to send every single afghan child to a good school.
assalam,well why not giving them the chance to be proud of their potential achievements with the different facets of their own identity!Chinese,Italians or French do not necessarily speak English and they are still somehow successful!i would go as far to say that In the next years the whole world may have to start learning how to speak Chinese if you know what i mean...so why not the afghan language tomorrow?.. I believe that it is the minimum of courtesy and respect for people when they go to a foreign country ,that they at least try and learn the language of it`s people ,rather then teaching them their own ,as if their were some sort of mowglies with no existing culture and second class language with no potential success in the horizon. Indoctrinate them(am not referring to the sister here) in English make them feel cooler than those who are not,create your own benchmark in their society that is related to success and status ,give them satellite English "thinking" channels to improve their "language" and reshape their minds the way it fits your interests.,remember! the most stupid thing you can do is to forget that they are watching you too,they are analyzing you. the same way you do....but that would be the worst case scenario you could imagine ,the least thing you could expect as a lesson giving candidate ....lol so there you go, let`s say the invasion is complete now,who said that you needed all these tanks ,F16 and bombs to build that pipeline through Afghanistan ?they understand your language now you can talk see not a lot of people speak Russian anymore !so what was that whole theatre about William?cross the bridge ,cool down ,relax,Hamlet didn`t really die ,he is a martyr ,a role model now, his veins are actually as big as a pipeline... it`s running mate!Enough with irony All they need is the "language "of quran and sunna and with allah swt help inschallah they will be successfull.That is only my view however ,i do not intend to impose it on others.,and here i go again still wondering at the way the world goes round:confused:
wassalam
Sindbad
 

mohsofi_abdullah

Junior Member
seems like kayleigh is very excited about the future of the Afghans... good

but, for your informaion Kayleigh, there are many good muslims who happen to be concerned about these muslims too, arabs or not...

but, seems that you have no idea what you're talking about...

In my previous post, and I did not say Jews, i said "Israel"...
Israel is full of Ashkenazi Jews, who are not really Jews to begin with...
Don't ask me, but HISTORY...

I do hope that you're not taking this personally, because i dont...
This is a good discussion, and we are all members of this forum... Tho, I was a bit scared to continue discussing this, as you seemed quite angry at some point... Please tell me to buzz of if you don't like what I'm saying... I will do that instantenously...

wassalam
 

MOSABJA

Junior Member
Well I dont believe in the Western Media.No body knows where's BIN LADIN or TALIBAN.But since I am living in Pakistan .I visited Waziristan with my friend there a person(talib) told me that Bin Ladin was killed in 2001 bombings.I asked him where the Hell the tapes come from? He said he did'nt know.But later on when I saw the documentary LOOSE CHANGE 2 edition I thought this might be the answer

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html

The latest so called Bin Ladin tapes are audio tapes with Bin Ladin Picture .DONT FORGET VOICE CAN BE DUPLICATED.

As far as I know that since the TALIBAN have been overthrown from Afghanistan the LOCAL TALIBAN in Pakistan tribal area have established Shairah.After Taliban one thing my friend told me that INTER TRIBAL FEUDS have ended after Taliban.

All play grounds,shops are closed at Prayer times..Video Cd shops are not selling Un Islamic videos... As far as I know Taliban have not closed girls school they only have instructed women to do PARDAH.

In Pakistan it is my observation that incidents of DOMESTIC VIOLENCE and WANI(giving women to settle disputes) mostly happen in SINDH and PUNJAB province.I have not heard of any such case in news paper inTRIBAL AREAS after Taliban.

These things happen due to CULTURAL INFLUENCE and have nothing to do with ISLAM and it would be PROPAGANDA to put the blame on TALIBAN Since these things are common in Subcontinent due to HINDU INFLUENCE.In INDIA there are no TALIBAN but it has the HIGHEST NUMBER OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CASES.
 
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